Can I have my Bro back for Christmas

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No amount of priority is going to safe your ass

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>>31020611
Even before the announcement of the gale wings nerf the trailer already indicated stuff how to counter it.
But now... its Nu fodder

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hehehee
HEHEHEHE

Fuck the smogon bird. He made grass, bug and fighting types almost impossible to run competitively and no other pokemon could sweep at any point of the game with such little effort. But even then, he's only a part of the cancer that gen six brought to the game.

>>31020611
everyone ran a this fucking guy back in gen6. you had to use a rotom-W or landorous-T thats why teams became repetitive looking and even those two were no good checkers if the stupid bird startes to set up sword dances.

>>31020611
Would you like it if Gale Wings stopped working after 25% of kamikaze bird's HP was depleted?

Two Brave Birds!

>>31020611
this thing broke the meta and made some pokemon stables. so there was not a lot of room to add other pokemons.
Gen6 was a mess of a meta and I am glad its over.

I want Staraptor to take back its rightful title of Smogonbird.

I don't know what the DP remakes can do to make it ascend to godliness again, but it actually doesn't need too much.

>sudden inexplicable flying/fairy typing

Oh no, le brabest birb of creating a fucking BL tier full of Bug types got nerfed. How fucking terrible.

Gen 6 BL was basically "shit that can't deal with Talonflame but is otherwise excellent: The Tier."

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>>31020611
Get that shit out of here. your bro was too good. Way too good for an early route-mon. It deserved to be nerfed.

>le btfo by accelerock bird

>>31020611
this thing was fucking stupid.
it took no skill what so ever to use. you just mad that you cant steam roll teams now with that bullshit.

>>31020710

>Pherosoma screams internally

>>31020719
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>>31020766
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>>31020831
problem is not only did they nerf the fuck out of it but they also introduced good checks against it. I am sure it wouldnt be such a cancer this gen even if it retained its ability.
Also this>>31020806
not to mention everyone uses a fucking lele

>>31020872
problem is like you said before they are trying to promote UB and that thing destroys everyone of them.

>>31020872
Good. Fuck you, you had your golden age. I don't care if they nerf Brabe Burb's base stats down to 1/1/1/1/1/1. I don't care if they take Gale Wings away entirely. I don't care if they give Stealth Rock STAB bonus. I don't care if they double recoil on Brave Bird. I hope every single horrible thing possible happens to your stupid fucking bird with its stupid fucking name for all the pain it put Bugs through last gen.

Fuck you and your bro, OP.

>>31020872

fucking NO

the problem was not only did everyone BRABE BERB but everyone ran checks for it. Lele would be all but mandatory on every team if GW didnt get nerfed not to mention her counters and so on.

>>31020872
seriously how can you even enjoy playing with talonflame. that thing was fucking cancer. gen6 Ou was pure trash. spend all my time doing uu

>>31020911

>unboosted Brave Bird kills Xurkitree, Niheligo, or Guzzlord

>>31020975
xurkitree is slow and flare blitz is enough.
guzzworld and niheligo are down after one SD BB.

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>>31020922
stop embarrassing yourself. that thing was broken as fuck.

>>31021014
Is Nihilego gonna just stand and watch Smogonbird setup though?

>>31020922
>>31021036
sry this was meant for>>31020872

>>31021037
first turn :
smogonbird
uses Sd
jellyfish uses stealth rock
second turn:
smogon bird attacks
gg if you dont have sash

>>31021014

252 Atk Life Orb Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Xurkitree: 246-290 (80.1 - 94.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

also some electric tree builds are choice scarfed

>>31021084
>life orb
>not choice

>>31021071

>not power gem for OHKO

fucking stop

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>>31020611
>b-b-but I was good in one generation so I should be good in every generation!
You'll get over it.

>>31021071
Why would you ignore the fucking bird to set up rocks when you have a guaranteed KO?
If your scenario only works when the enemy is a retard, you've already lost

>>31021104

252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Xurkitree: 283-334 (92.1 - 108.7%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

still not guaranteed

>>31021105
>overpredicting the switch
I havent even begun

>>31021084
adamant life orb does ohko xurkitree

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>>31020872
>not to mention everyone uses a fucking lele

>he doesn't use all 4 of them and a toxapex

>>31021084
252+ Atk Life Orb Talonflame Flare Blitz vs 0HP/0 Def Xurkitree 270-320(87.9-104.2%) mix in some stealth rocks on the other side and its a certain wrap

>>31021126
The play is to power gem and then set up rocks if he switched.

you can still run talonflame you dolt. it is just much worse than before. It brings a good portion of the SM metagame to its knees. You are better off running flame body now desu

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>>31021220
>you can still run talonflame

>>31020611
He did nuthing wrong

>>31021245
He did everything wrong.

sorry i thought metashitters prefered using Jolly because in a format with BRABERB you ran jolly to out BRABERB other BRABERBs.

you're right about adamant ohkoing though but most Xurkitrees are Scarfed and BRABERB is not ohkoing save for a crit even at the highest attack BRABERB can get.

>>31020611
I feel bad for Talonflame. It was a very balanced Pokemon stat-wise, and all of the anti-priority measures introduced in SM would've been enough to nerf it to ground. But they just HAD to take an extra measure and shit on its viability completely. Meanwhile shit like Garchomp is allowed to run wild.

only reason why it got nerfed... is too boost him back once mega talonflame arrives

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>>31021230
sub 1100 shitter detected

>>31020643

>252 Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 271-319 (96.4 - 113.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

dumb waifuposter.

>>31021256

garchomp has checks aplenty.

talonshitter can sweep teams if you didn't have a counter.

>>31020719
>grass, bug

they did a good enough job themselves being almost impossible to run competitively.

>>31021276
anything can sweep if you don't have a counter for it you fucking faggot

talonflame was stopped cold by literally any rock type and majority of high defense water types, not to mention the massive weakness to stealth rock

>>31020922

(Most) Bugs were shit before Talonflame was even a concept.

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>>31020611
how is ru doing for ya bro?
Hahaha feels good

>>31021256
Garchomp is only used so often because it can do fucking anything
Suicide lead? Yeah you got it.
Sweeper? Yep.
Wallbreaker? Yep.
Mixed? Of course.
Special? Why the fuck not.
Tank? :^)
And for each of these set there are atleast two ways on how to use them.

>>31021306
Eat a thousand bird cocks. Gen 5 made Bugs great, which is why it was best gen. Gen 6 shat down Bugs' throats with LE BRABE BURB and Fairies.

>>31021304

yeah none of those "weaknesses" stopped him from getting on every team. I LOVE IT WHEN THREE WHOLE TYPES ARE RENDERED USELESS BECAUSE OF ONE POKEMON.

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>>31021273
>implying Lele would ever switch into Talonflame
>implying Psychic terrain doesn't protect other team members from priority
>implying majority of Lele's aren't scarfed and OHKO birb with Psychic

>>31021309
At least Talonflame had his time in the spotlight
Staraptor was literally never good

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this thing used to be OU.
times change you'll get over it.

>>31021362
>Staraptor was literally never good
Hello newfag. Staraptor was Smogonburd before Smogonburd was.

>>31021362
what are you talking about it was beastly in Bw and DP

>>31021365
damn that must have been a long ass time. I know tauros being fast but golem?

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>>31020611
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7pokebankoususpecttest-505067987
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7pokebankoususpecttest-505095861

If it makes you feel any better, this guy is #8 on the ladder right now.

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>>31020611
I want you too look at this shit.
look at this cancer. first three mons were literally stable checks against the smogon bird.

>>31021429
>talonisstillgood
wew lad

>>31021362
Why don't you go look at Staraptor's stats before spewing bullshit?
>120 att
>100 Speed
>Reckless
It's not perfect but it's good

>>31021429
are you kidding me landorous-T did all the work.
the guy is literally caring this trash just to prove a point

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>>31021493
BUG WAS FUCKING GOOD IN GEN 5 REMOVE BIRD REMOVE BIRD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>31021493
Talonflame is shit now and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>31020719
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>>31021348
Of course it would be the assblasted bugfags that would shit on bravest bird. Your shitty typing will never be good whatsoever, and Talonflame is not responsible for that either. Deal with it, cucks.

>>31021429
>this guy is #8 on the ladder right now.
no he isnt sub 1400 what a scrub

>>31021501
>are you kidding me landorous-T did all the work.
>I only watched the first replay

>>31021369
>>31021377
>call me a newfag then claim that fucking shitraptor was good in BW and especially fucking DP
in DP Staraptor was scrub magnet on par with the likes of Electivire and Weavile, it was stuck in BL for literally the entirety of gen 4, in over four (!) years it didn't raise to OU even once

in BW it couldn't keep up with the extremely agressive weather meta, except it now got shit on by passive damage harder than ever before

and once again, it spend it's sweet time stuck in BL for pretty much the entire generation

comparing staraptor to talonflame is simply laughable and shows exactly how bad /vp/ is at competitive Pokemon
>>31020710 this guy will be a better talonflame replacement than staraptor could ever dream to be lmao

>>31021520
The ladder reset yesterday so everyone's starting from scratch. #1 right now is 1505 and this guy is #8.

>>31021516
>Of course it would be the people who were worst affected by this bullshit Pokemon who are glad that it was nerfed
Your mastery of the obvious is to be lauded, friend.

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the end of an era.
hated and adored but never ignored.
time to move on OP.

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>>31021429
Made this higher resolution cause I liked it so much. Merry Christmas anon.

>>31021621
Nice, I actually looked for a higher resolution version but I couldn't find one. Merry Christmas to you too.

>>31021560
That's the thing, Bug is an irrelevant type, so it isn't even Talonflame who brought them down, it's that Bug is such a shit offensive and defensive typing. It's only assblasted bugfags that would ride the bandwagon to shit on a boogeyman because they believe Bug is actually good. Cry moar though, nu-male.

>>31020611
>best boi huurrrrr
fuck you
he was cancer to the whole fucking meta, and everyone should be bad its gone

>>31021680
I'd really appreciate if you'd be kind enough to put your buzzwords at the front of your post next time, so I know earlier that I can disregard everything you wrote. It's a bit rude to make me wait until the end to realize that you're a complete fucking drooling retard who just repeats whatever words impress themselves on your brain cell.

>>31021429
the flame charge set looks fucking interesting. the second replay was some really nice play

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>dat talonflame nerf

das it mang

>>31020611
Fuck you and your retarded priority roost and priority 120 damage attack to hell and back fuck boy.

>>31021785
>This nigger knows whats up
dont forget le cheeky will-o-wisp and roost abuse

>>31021733
Thank you for proving my point. It only goes to show bugfags are so buttblasted, that they can't even come up with an actual argument. Notice how all the """"""good"""""" bug types are usually carried by a vastly superior secondary typing? Stay mad, though.

>>31021807
Your retarded posts doesn't negate the fact Talonflame earned a well-deserved nerf. Rest in pieces.

>>31021114
Yea op, you aren't garchomp

only people with no skill and who dont care about the progress of the meta whine of its nerf. I am having a blast with SM online so stop whining you faggots.

>>31021734
I think Talonflame's going to make a comeback in a few months. The only sets that the nerf made useless are the priority Roost set and Choice Band which was already a bad set anyway.

>>31020872
that thing had too much of a free reign. it deserves to rot on the lower tiers

>>31021807
daaamn bro u rekked them
long live talonflame

>>31021807
>Notice how all the """"""good"""""" bug types are usually carried by a vastly superior secondary typing?

When only 5/40 fully evolved bugs are pure bug, it's not a surpise that ones with a secondary type happened to be good.
>Pinsir
>Volbeat
>Illumise
>Kricketune
>Accelgor

Friendly reminder that every pokemon that got raped by Talonflame was never OU material anyway, and said pokemon never got a rise in usage because of Talonflame's nerf. If anything, their usage dropped even harder.

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>>31020710

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>>31020787
>MEGA STARAPTOR

>>31020787
>Badass Bird
>Flying/Faggot typing

Jokes aside, though, Talonflame is still extremely good if you need a turn 1 Tailwind setter
Much better kill potential than Whisicott every if you get hit and lose your priority, and rocks don't matter as much because you're the starter
It just can't single-handedly suicide sweep teams

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There's only room for one bird.

>>31020787
Fighting/Flying
Gets Stone Edge, +10 to attack and speed, keeps Reckless as an ability. It now also works with moves that decrease your stats.

>>31021395
High def and resistance to normal fucked over hyper beam spam

>>31020922
Fuck you, you faggot. Talonflame's not even my brother, but those nerfs would hurt other 'mons. And I like Talonflame, even if it's not my bro.

>>31021807
Volcarona; Fire
Scizor; Steel
Fortress; Steel
Heracross; Fighting
M-Pinsir; Flying
M-Beedrill; Poison

Fuck you. I'm in favor of Talonflame, but don't shit on bugs. Bug types are cool.

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You fucking people seem to have never played an OU battle in your life, revenge killer Talonflame died in early XY, and at the end of ORAS everyone was running defensive Talonflame, so stop it was just Spamming Brave Bird like a bitch, when it clearly wasnt. (im not saying you didnt use bb, it just wasnt "click brave bird lol" like everyone us making it out to be)

And also, with the x4 Stealth Rock weakness and the plethora of counters for it in the tier it was perfectly manageable and frankly you are a retard if you think it was unbalanced.

>b-b-but u were forced to run counters for it.

Welcome to a fucking metagame my friend, obviously you are going to need counters to stop the top threats in a meta, that has happend every generation and Talonflame was not a special case, last gen you couldnt not carry a Clefable check in your Team if you didnt want to get murdered in the ladder, and I dont see anyone complaining about her.

All in all, Talonflame was just like any of the others top threats, you're just bad.

>>31021369
>>31020787
>Staraptor
>Smogonbird
Skarmory has been Smogonbird since gen2 and now it reclaims its title. Staraptor will continue being Fujoshibird

>>31020611
>Sole reason he got hit hard was to promote those shitty ugly ass UB pokemon
cool conspiracy theory bro.

>>31021807
You act like talonfshit had an actual good typing.

>>31021395
It stopped Zapdos

>>31024022
>running defensive Talonflame
its part of the problem. you think brave bird everything was the problem?? no the roost spamming was cancer as well. gale wings is broken and the nerf is fucking justified. also gen6 meta was pure shite and anyone defending it is braindead. nothing to do about being bad if you are forced to play certain pokemons. takes away creativity and fun.

I am just here sitting and hoping for ma boi noctowl to get a mega.

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>People delusional enough to think Talonflame was what made their delusional bugbro shitmon BL or lower
Perhaps it's the fact that Bug is literally the worst type that makes it shit.
It's resisted by fucking seven types and doesn't do anything defensively that isn't done better by Flying.

>>31024081
5 of them would be toast.and since buzzwole and pheromosa are top tier OU mons talonflame would be pretty much a staple and make it another gen of brave bird epidemic

>>31024855
fuck off talonflame made bugs unplayable. the typing is fine see buzzwole and pheromosa. now imagine talondflame retaining the broken gale wing mechanism do you think these two UB would still be as playable? just look at mega scizor and mega pinsir doing work

While I don't mind bravest bird's demise, I do agree outright killing it was a bit much. If you revert the gale wings nerf Talonflame still gets shit on by the amount of priority nerfs this gen. It's for the best that it died so that the bug types can thrive, but Talonflame will undoubtedly rot at the bottom from now on until the end of time. We had an OU early route bird for a little while, at least.

>>31020787
Flying/Fighting would make more sense, he already gets Close Combat.

>Kabuto used Accelerock!

>>31024022
Defensive smogonbird was the problem though, specifically priority roost with a bulky stat spread.

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>>31024855
Smogonbird actually was a big reason why my favorite bugmon was crap tier though.

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>talonflame wasn't cancer
it's as if everyone has already forgotten that gen6 was a thing

>>31020611
What tier do you realistically think it will be now?

>>31024934
>"the typing is fine"
>resisted by 7 types and vulnerable to the most offensive 3 types
>using mega Scizor and mega Pinsir as examples of bug typing being good
As someone whose favorite type is bug, go fuck yourself.

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He was the chosen hero meant to stand against the roach menace, but you rejected him.
This is the future you chose.

>>31025217
ru
uu now is gen6 Ou

The problem here is that going from being broken to being utter shit is not balancing, is the contrary of balancing.
Talonflame deserved a nerf, but time will tell if this was a proper one or an overkill.

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>>31025283
we cant have that haha.
better nerf this stupid bird

>>31025320
>time will tell if this was a proper one or an overkill.
game only been out for two month but its already pretty clear that the bird is done for.

>>31025320
They gave him the most minimal possible nerf they could have given him. The probably here is that you're a fucking retard who can't accept that pokemon has such ridiculous power creep that a mon like Talonflame will never be OU outside of an absurdly overpowered ability.

>>31021543
Staraptor has always been good, that's why it is banned to bl every generation

>>31025381
You need to calm your tits, I don't necessarily disagree with you.

>>31023241
Fairy isn't faggot type, get a grip

>>31025191
kek

anyone have the original smogon version image?
I love this shit

>>31025191
even more funny when you think that gen6 implemented flying fights

NU here we come baby

>introduce 2 new shitmons with a new ability that makes priority moves fail
>nerf smogonbird directly anyway

fucking gamefreak can't balance for shit

>All these salty talonshitters
Thanks for the laughs, everyone.

>>31020611
fuck you OP, talonflame was fucking cancer

>>31020611
So this is what Stockholm's looks like?

Anyway, OP, your bird will have a nice comfy perch in RU. Don't shit up other people's christmases for stuff like this

>>31020611
we'll come back
cant wait for xy remakes

>>31024736

>what are Stealth Rocks
>what is Landorus-T
>what is Rotom-W
>what is Tyranitar
>what is Heatran
>what is Zapdos
>what is M-Manetric
>what is Slowbro
>what is every electric type and rock type ever

>nothing to do about being bad if you are forced to play certain pokemons.

You are forced to run checks for certain Pokemon in literally every meta ever. If you dont want your team to get murdered you had to run a Lando-T check, a Clefable check, a Ferrothorn check, and so on. Talonflame was not a special case, it was like any of the other top threats last gen.

>>31024934
Mega Pinsir NEVER runs Bug STAB because it has no reason to. The Flying subtyping is literally the only reason it's good. It's good IN SPITE of its Bug typing, not because of it. Bug actually fucking hurts Mega Pinsir that's how fucking shit of a typing Bug is.

Scizor is the same thing, just Bullet Punch. Technician-boosted STAB U-Turn is nice, but that has nothing to do with being Bug-type. U-Turn is good for the utility, not the coverage.

>>31025157
It was RU in BW.

>126 base speed
>Crying that it can't spam priority brave bird

>>31027002
Technician doesn't even boost U-Turn

>>31027045
>what is thunder wave
>choice scarf
>priority moves