Smogon Viability Rankings for SM OU

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>>31013258
OH GEE THIS SURE WONT TURN INTO A SHITPOSTING THREAD ABOUT STARTER VIABILITY HUH

>>31013269
Considering none of the SM starters are even on the list, no.

>>31013258

>Ash-Greninja A+ Rank
>Protean Greninja A Rank

???

>>31013258
why does this picture make my dick so hard?

>>31013331
Huh, even the Pokemon GO MCs are in that pic

>>31013258

>Starmie's deathgrip on OU still has yet to loose

GodDAMN

>>31013258
>Buzzwole A Rank
huh, I don't see it used often. It is balky af tho, can survive max power azumarill aqua jet.
>Genesect
not anymore :^)

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We did it bros

>>31013258
Lele is on the cutting block. Enjoy it while it lasts, lelefags.

>>31013369

Sub-Boost turns it into a genuine wrecking ball.

>>31013356
>tapu lele s rank when it gets hard countered by every steel

kek

>>31013400

>What is Hidden Power Fire and teammates

A true master wins with thier favorites regardless of strength

>>31013400
>hard countered by every steel
tbolt, focus blast, hp fire
tell me what steel types avoid 2hko that arent shitmons

>>31013258
>Gengar in B+
Nerf wasn't a big deal after all faggots
>Skillstar A- rank in OU
>They allow that thing in UU
BL when
Also where my other UU nigga Azu that thing still good despite Lele, it shouldn't be lowet than B.

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So where's this bitch gonna end up? UU?

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>mfw I lived long enough to see mantine in OU

>>31013451
Probably. It has a niche in poisoning steel types which should keep it higher than RU but not OU.

Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites.

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What went wrong?

>>31013466
Do you really think owlfags are only cancerous here?

>>31013356
Allows Ash-Greninja.... Wants to throw Genesect into Ubers... Smogon is garbage.

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>>31013472

>>31013466

People can't accept that their boy is UU at best. Kinda hilarious that Dhelmise isn't on that list though.

>>31013511
Ash-Greninja isn't that hard to deal with
Get good

>>31013466
Kek.

>A+ Rank
>Buzzwole

What?

>Gengar is still high OU despite losing Levitate

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>31013356
A-greninja is more used than protean?

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>gengar still OU

How much did losing levitate affect it?

>Scizor A Rank
>In a Tapu Lele meta

>>31013547

VIABILITY rankings

Ash-Greninja is considered more viable than Protean Greninja in the current meta

>>31013542
Weak pokemon strong pokemon. Thats just the perception of selfish trainers.

>>31013541
BALK

>>31013559
I thought everyone said protean was better

>>31013572
0 SpA Mantine Air Slash vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Buzzwole: 444-528 (106.2 - 126.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>31013422
>>31013463
>>31013568
Fuck off autists, some people want to know the state of the meta
And this is coming from a guy who uses Poliwrath, Spinda, and Bibarel in OU.

>>31013555
>he fell for the bullet panchi meme
>not running superior metal claw

>>31013356
Where the hell are people getting Excadrill and Jirachi and Genesect from? I thought the current meta was alola limited.

>>31013602
How's that 1100 elo going

>Mimikyu, A-Muk, A-Marowak and Toxapex are the only non-Legendary/Plot pokemon to be OU

so which remaining Alola mons arent complete shit? Salazzle, A-Ninetails, Bewear?

>>31013433
>tbolt
Not SE
>focus miss
>hp fire
60BP non-stab

You're good

>>31013610
bewear will be BL or top tier UU

>>31013555
>Scizor used Iron Head!

>>31013503
More like shitposting.

>>31013541

He can't take anything special but he threatens a lot of physical attackers and walls.

>>31013590
>leaving a buzzwole in against a mantine
>mega salamence isnt broken i-it dies to ice shard!
ive literally never said this before, but hows sub1200 ladder treating you?

>>31013606
It is, but there's no point in analyzing it because it will only last for another month or so.

>>31013602
Foolish Anon you have yet to understand
>>31013609
Is the kind of people that make smogon look bad.

>>31013615
>focus miss
>60bp

>>31013628
mega salamence doesn't die to ice shard though

it's not about the 4x weakness it's about the 55 spdef

>>31013512
I'm kinda insterested on how will this end, maybe Alolan Marowak.

>>31013632
Darn. I was hoping I missed molemon somehow.

>>31013609
>He takes pokemon seriously
I just wanna have fun man
Also I'm 1300

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Interesting to see gengar still there.

Sad to see mimikyu and a-muk dropping as I love those two but whatever. I think both might still see use despite dropping out of OU.

>>31013615
>Not SE
hits spdef celesteela harder than anything else. you know, that thing right under it in at A+ rank

>>focus miss
whoa nice backtracking now again show me a steel type that can stomach these moves. youve yet to post one and thats pretty silly

>hp fire
>>60 bp
240 bp vs scizor and friends, actually

again, just tell me some steel types. even one.

>>31013628
>Latios used Psychic!

Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon.

>>31013604
>>31013620
>Outspeeding Lele
Kek

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First Goodra and now Kommo-o. Why has GF been dropping the ball with new pseudos lately? Is it too early to say until move tutors?

>>31013512
>meta
>balanced before SM
Kek

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>xurkitree didn't even make it
Fucking how?

>>31013660
Mimikyu is great
If your opp is retarded enough to not break the disguise immediately
If you can get 2 or even 3 swords dances in, it becomes an insane sweeper
Sadly just one usually isn't enough
A-Muk is a perfectly annoying stallmon tho, don't know why it's dropping.

>>31013258
>tfw my boys Skarmory and M Pinsir sitting comfortably in A-
You nerds can keep your fat space waifus and hang-glider dragons

>>31013647
of course, but a low stat alone doesnt make a pokemon bad. no pokemon that can take advantage of its low spatk will want to eat a tpunch/leech life/sub focus punch
thats why the mon is so good

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>Placeholder for Decidueye and Golisopod

>>31013702

>Lando: The Meta

You tell me.

>>31013356
Say whaaaa..

Maronu is that good? When's the last time that happened, GSC?

>>31013702
Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites.

>>31013702
they said some pokemon arent on the list because they dont quite know where to place them

>>31013553
It didn't, as you can see

>>31013723

He's more of a necessary evil than anything right now.

Just want to point out: this is still better than 5th Gen's shitty mindless clusterfuck meta.

>normal Scizor not even on the list

What the fuck? It's still good

>>31013753
Truely skilled trainers

>>31013736
nah it did, it still lost one of its tools, but it still has its other tools intact.
also gengar happens to be really solid in this meta with tapus and ubs everywhere and said tapus/ubs leavimg people hard pressed to use many dark types
also with lop gone the only relevant normal type is chansey, which taunt gengar eats up
i like using scarf gengar most desu

>>31013724
Yeah well my favorite is a NFE shitmon.

We all have personal favorites but we also means we accept them for what they are. Stop karenfagging. If you want to bring shit like farfetch'd to OU that's fine but don't think you're cool or anything for it.

Should try to win with their favorites

>>31013258
Lele suspect when?

>>31013466
Are both of those really that bad? I'm just on the third isle now, but I was hoping they'd be decent at least.

>>31013795
They're OK. But not anything special.

>>31013674
>whoa nice backtracking
?
You implying you can rely on it? Kek

Also, steelix

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Red pill me on Lele.

>>31013795
They are bad because if they were good they'd be used more. Also it doesnt matter what tier its in if you like it you should try to win with it. Regardless of strength.

>>31013795
It's not that they're bad, it's that Owlfags keep pushing for Decidueye to be OU despite not being good enough for it. Same for Golisopod.

>>31013585
Everyone did. Makes me wonder why they consider it more viable considering all the threads on Smogon about A-Greninja were "why would I use this when protean exists".

>>31013812
Prevents priority
Good scarfer

>>31013812
Click on your Psychic
WARNING: If the enemy might not die to your Psychic, click Moonblast instead

>>31013258
>>31013356
>Hoopa-U is A
SM meta was a mistake.

>>31013812
>metagross used bullet punch!

According to people in the Smogon Discord, there's already been discussion to drop Buzzwole down a rank or two the next time the rankings get updates(probably in a week).

I agree, he is NOT an A+ mon.

>>31013785
That just means ypuve never tried to win with it. Get better at the game.

If they ban Genesect Lele and Pheromosa become obscene. If they ban those two Buzzwole and Landorus and Heatran become obscene. This meta could use a Mega Mom unbanning.

At least Talonflame is fucking dead. Fuck that broken piece of garbage. Now if only we could kill off Aegislash. I can learn to live with the Tapus.

>>31013853
>using priority in psychic terrain

u fukin wot

>>31013880
Aegislash is in Ubers though. It's already kill.

>>31013810
>You implying you can rely on it?
uhh yes? it hits 70% of the time. sure it misses but youre a retard if youre gonna pretend itll never land and youre better off skipping it

252 SpA Tapu Lele Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Steelix: 248-292 (70 - 82.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Steelix: 370-436 (104.5 - 123.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

damn, so close! try again dude!

>>31013888

I mean in technical terms; I still see its faggot sword ass on Battlespot all the time.

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>>31013880
I agree, my friend

>>31013876
Mega Mom IS unbanned. The mega stone is unavailable.

How to save OU:
>send all legendaries and UBs to Ubers, no exceptions
There, I saved OU

>>31013893

>Focus Miss misses
>Proceed to get swept

Good attempt at the pseudo-bait, though

>>31013908
It's not unbanned and the stone is in the tree.

>>31013915
yeah dude fuck regice fuck meloetta get these broken pieces of shit OUT OF MY GAME

>>31013915
How to save OU:
>play with you favorites

>>31013905
>tfw smogon will never be taken seriously on battle spot

>>31013876
I think the bans will stop with Lele. If lele is gone, pheromosa is still good but not overtly broken with P-terrain gone.

>>31013915
You didn't fix shit.

>>31013915

Gay ass Dragon Megas and Fairies and Steels: the Generation

>>31013935
Necessary sacrifices

No unbreedable pokemon should be in competitive ever

>>31013937
My favorites just happen to be Landorus-T, Garchomp, Mega Metagross, Tapu Lele, Pheromosa and Genesect!

>>31013258
>Ubers-lite
Welp, time to jump ship to UU

>>31013915
>I POSTED IT AGAIN!

>>31013939

I'd rather fight ten million Ubers on Battlespot from yellow rice eaters and twelve year old beaners than deal with Smogonfagging

>>31013958
Not an argument

>>31013943
>a better Deoxys-N
>not broken

Seriously, why the fuck is Deoxys-N uber, but Pheromosa is allowed in OU?

>>31013969
Unironically love this post

>>31013321
The Meta has changed anon. A-Greninja does a lot more for how things are now.

>>31013923
oh, i see your problem now
you see usually when youre up against something that will OHKO you, you will want to switch out to something
for example, landorus cannot ohko walrein outside of banded superpower and walrein will always beat it 1v1. does that mean landorus is shit and walrein should be in OU? no
heres another example
>opponent sends out tapu lele, and it can ohko you while you cant do much to it (such as toxapex)
>you swap to your steel type and eat a focus blast/whatever
>your steel type is now in psychic range, and you will always lose a pokemon every time tapu lele is on the field
unless, every turn, you will make plays solely to keep lele out, in which case youve already lost
any other backups aside from steelix?

>>31013950
But that wont matter much because you should play with pokemon you like regardless.
>>31013956
You like these pokemon because of personal reasons right?

>>31013957
Have fun playing with the previous generations OU pokes,

>>31013957
>UU
>Kyurem-B and Jirachi are broken little cunts: the metagame

>>31013984
>play with your favorites
>get destroyed in Legendaries: The Meta: The Movie

>>31013957
>>31013972
Pheromosa is an easy uber if it wasn't walled by more broken shit like the steel types running around.

What does placeholder mean?

>>31013995
>play with your favorites
>actually enjoy playing with pokemon you like not because of selfish power levels

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>>31013960
>twelve year old beaners

not too big on smogon rules but there are some things that would get annoying without em.

>mfw getting all my porkymans put 2 sleep
>minimize on anything

but you're right a lot of smogon fags take pokemon too serious

>>31014011
>losing 100% of the time
>fun

>>31013996
>steel types
>broken
18
years
to
post

>>31013996
Literally the ONLY things that wall Pheromosa are Toxapex and Marowak.

The rest of the meta gets OHKO'd or 2HKO'd.

>>31014017
Id rather lose with pokemon i care about that win with pokemon i dont.

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>Strong Pokemon

>>31013982

Except we're in a meta where even switchins get blasted, but nice try again. Keep going.

>>31014031
Than*

>>31014031
Winning is fun

>>31014011
>playing to lose
Lamo

>>31014035
>10. No spamming or flooding of any kind.

>>31013356
Why ever use doggarde over 50%? Not memeing or anything, just doesn't 50 have strictly better stats?

>>31014066
Yes Anon. Some people play games to have fun you know.

How is Hoopa-U not uber material?

>>31014081
Zydog is faster.

>>31013982
Youre fucking getting baited dude

Hes just making fun of you because youre autistically defending your virtual waifu

well guys i mean i play with pokemon i like with good stats (staraptor, excadrill, clefable) and i do well (1500, obviously not that good but im ok with that)

so i think you can both use pokemon you like and have success competitively, just dont use shitmons unless you are prepared to lose

>>31013258
>both Zygarde doing better in OU than Kyurem
>Perfect Zygarde doing better in Ubers than Kyu-W
So is it safe to say that Kyurem is the most cucked third legendary now?

>>31014052
>Except we're in a meta where even switchins get blasted, but nice try again
??? that alone doesnt make a pokemon broken or even good. buzzwole has very few relevant mons that can comfortably switch in, yet it is workable
lele has good bulk, a good offensive and defensive typing, and the ability to completely nullify all priority
and also that 130 spatk shit

>Keep going
i will so long as you keep giving me faulty arguments to disprove. youve literally been on the defensive the entire time, at least stand for your shitposts. its been like 6 posts back and forth and your only idea of a mon to deal wth lele is fucking steelix

>>31014017
Is literally impossible to always lose.

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>>31014081

Zydoge has the same Attack and higher Speed, but lower HP and Defenses.

Regular Zygarde is better for Dragon Dance, Doge form is better for a Choice Band set.

>>31014108
>baited
literally who cares? i enjoy talking about pokemon, its interesting to me. and im just trying to kill some time

>>31014115
That's not Articuno.

>>31014023
It's being held in check almost solely by Genesect, Skarmory, Celesteela and Metagross. Every team needs one or two of these to check it.

>>31014056
I just dont understand how winning can be fun if your regulated by whats best to use and only whats best.

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>>31014035

Sorry, forgot the better quality picture.

guys cant we all just get along and stop being autistic retards

i personally dont like to use legendaries/tapus/UBs not because "hurr durr since theyre not normal mons they are OP im retarded" but because i dont like any of their designs (except genesect and xurkitree but genesect will soon be banned and xurkitree does not fit in my team)

cant we just be like this?

>>31014154
>third legendary
Reading comprehension is your friend

>>31014154
that isnt a third legendary

>>31014087
Well ur in the minority then

Let all the adults in the room talk

>>31013553
These are viability rankings. Not everything on this list has OU usage, because not all Pokemon viable in OU actually get the usage to be OU.

Gengar is currently UU, and it can't even fairy kill because it doesn't counter any of the new fairies. It's pretty bad.

>>31014079

So don't spam on posts reminding people of the unique qualities of all Pokemon. Hush if you don't understand the discussion.

>>31014160
because, whether you want to believe it or not, there is plenty of thinking behind battles between two good players

>>31014182
Gengar is a perfect counter to tapu bulu

>>31014176
Face the facts if your precious tiers were gone youd use the nfe pokemon on your OU team just to see if it could go toe to toe with a legend.

>>31014119

>Have flaw in argument pointed out
>Proceed to shitpost with the same opinion again

It's okay if you don't understand the diminishing return effect. Keep going.

>>31014175
My bad, didn't read the third or trio master part.

But yes Kyurem is one of the most fucked up legends in existence if we go by third legend standards.

>>31014160
Helps not being autistic. I hate using ugly mons but if you genuinely believe losing against anyone competent is fun, you have to be in the spectrum.

>>31014200
this is bait, r-right?

>>31014212
>using the same 6 pokemon against the other same 6
>not autistic at all

>>31014206
what is the flaw in my argument? that focus blast misses 30%? because it also hits 70% of the time my dude. if theres any other flaws you see let me know
also, youre still welcome to suggest a decent steel type that can stomach 2 hits. even if its just one

>>31014236
>it also hits 70% of the time
anon that is not how it works

>>31014231
Yes, there's only 6 pokemon in the OP.

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>>31013459
>tfw i have consistently used Mantine since it came out and it finally becomes good

FEELS FUCKING GOOD

So what makes Battle Bond Greninja so good, especially over Protean Greninja?

>>31014250
This guy understands

>>31014255
from my experience, with choice specs and the fact that dark pulse is very spammable + 153 base sp. atk its just way too good as a late game cleaner/revenge killer

>>31014255
Specs hits like a fucking nuke.

>>31014255
>get one flinch
>IKU the match to its end

>>31014246
ok
every time you use it it has a 70% chance of landing
same exact thing only more precise wording

>>31014247
There is 15

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>>31013459
>Love mantine since 2
>When gen 4 came out I rushed to get to the trainer that had a mantyke so I could request one on the GTS
>See it gets buff in gen 7
>Not expecting much but happy for it
>OU
>Mfw after all these years

>>31014287
oh well yes you are correct
i am sorry for the misunderstanding

>>31014236
aegislash

>>31014293
No you must understand.
Youd still care about mantine regardless of what tier its in right?

>>31014274
how do you even stop this thing with specs ?

I've been seeing this shit online so much but i don't have a good check for it besides something like mach punch but if lele is on the team i get fucked

>>31014320
This wouldnt happen if people used pokemon they like regardless of strength.

>>31014320
Assault Vest Dhelmise takes a dark pulse and OHKOs with Power Whip.

>>31014320
av muk is the main counter, and it does a good job at it but unfortunately its not too great outside of pursuit trapping lele because of shit like lando still everywhere

>>31014348
wait fug i thought you were talking about lele in the reply chain

>>31014312
No shit. I played the lower tiers for years, so of course I used it. Im saying Im proud that my boy made it after all these years to the big leagues.

>>31014320

You don't. Gamefreak in charge of game balance. But it could be worse; it could be 5th Gen and you could just eat Garchomp Outrages and Hydreigon spam all day.

>>31013451
Bare minimum, Salazzle could be at BL. She's probably too strong for UU being able to toxic poison steel-types and all.

>>31014342
Look i get it you like to use eevee and a mixture of lc and nu pokemon to play but i don't give a fuck about that.

>>31014344
>that flinch scares me
might need to breed one of these bad boys just to check side burn frog

>>31014348
what kind of set are you running on av muk ? i can see it walling side burn frog but how is scaring it off or killing it ?

>>31014381
So even if it drops again next gen god forbid. Youd still use it because you like it?!

>>31014400
muk poster here, i thought you were talking about specs lele, not specs narutoad

>>31014400
Actually most of my favorites are what you smogonfags call UU. Dispite them being good enough for OU Imo.

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>>31014397
>mfw sideburn frog is too much for me


>>31014423
well that sucks lmao but curious on that av muk check for lele. mind telling me the set you use ?

>>31014444
good for you, use it to your hearts content and show off how viable your faves are
its not uncommon at all for underused mons to go unnoticed before someone notices they could actually do something in ou

Any my second favorite porygonz went up a tier. And is still use it regardless of it being higher use because i like it.

>>31014466
pursuit/knock off/poison jab or gunk shot are must haves. the last slot is almost always shadow sneak just for picking shit off and hoping for some lucky psn touch
unfortunately it doesnt have access to fire/ice punch

>>31013258
>Rhyperior out of OU ranking
o-okay

what is good elo for showdown

>>31014530
get into of the top 500 of the ladder

>>31014544
so 1200 bad???

>>31014502
what nature are you running on this ? sassy ?

>>31013795
Competitive viability has no relation with in game viability.

>>31014563
adamant
you dont need too much bulk investment to avoid 2HKOs from any lele and you want to get as much damage off the pursuit as possible since you wont OHKO it

>Decidueye blacklisted
Good to see Smogon still being shit like the tranny and barafags they are

>>31014597
thanks anon gonna start breeding this bad boy for all those lel fags

>>31014023
>implying steel isn't the best type in the game

>>31014115
No, its still Zygarde

>>31014623
yeah it does that job well as well as beimg a general nuisance with knock off/psning everything, but itll need all the team support it can get to prevent lando and friends from eating you alive

>>31014610
What I'm wondering is why is Golisopod blacklisted?

>>31014665

Stop this meme, Zygarde got more focus than most "third legendaries"

It may not have gotten a game, but it got tons of merchandise, a whole anime arc dedicated to it, and 4 new forms (counting Cell and Core), that's more than any other "third legendary" got

>>31014775
>What I'm wondering is why is Golisopod blacklisted?

Has just as many autistic fanboys as the Owl does.

>>31013321
Ashninja has 132 speed, him and Koko are setting Mewtwo-tier standards of speed and power for OU.

>>31014913
i can't wait until Mewtwo drops to OU

>>31014913
Why is Mewtwo Uber?

It's fucking shit.

>>31014418
kys

>>31014818
I don't care about all that non canon a one and merch stuff

>>31014818
So you're saying Zygarde has been treated better than Arceus and Rayquaza?

>>31014989

Not as good as Rayquaza, but it was treated better than Giratina

>>31014952
Im just saying
Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites. I like your style. You understand what's important.

>>31014901
>>31014901
Huh, I don't even see any Golisopod autists. Maybe its when I'm not around.

>>31015015
I've only just gotten into competitive Pokemon, but I can definitely see why people think those like you are annoying
Why would you enter this thread if you clearly disagree with the most fundamental aspect of it?
Why aren't you off having fun with the Pokemon you like?

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>>31013915
>Garchomp, Megas, Skarmory and Toxapex: The Meta

>>31015092
Naw any pokemon smogon doesnt want to be Ou is blacklisted plain and simple. If Decideye and goliospod are used enough they will be OU.

>>31015101
Im just shitposting ignore my posts. I have no real argument here other than my belief pokemon battling should be fun even if its competitive.

>>31013258
>Phermonosa A+
BULL FUCKING SHIT

GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY THIS DAMN ROACH ISNT S-RANKED AND QUICKBANNED

>>31014989
It's certainly been treated better than Arceus, who got cucked out of his event, got cucked out of Hoopa'a movie despite the hype, and can't even be used in official tournaments because he's a Mythical.

>>31015306
Just revenge kill it :^)

>>31015306
Use gale wings

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>>31015375
>gale wings
>nerf

>>31015340
I mean, he got a whole new event related to him in HGSS which makes him rule over two regions just like Zygarde, and it actually has lore and story. And the Z Crystals work like the Plates.

Not that it matters since I forgot Giratina is the third legendary.

>>31015007
But Giratina got its own dimension and was the center of the climax of Platinum

>>31015473
Keep it at full hp still works. It you lik talonflame you should still use it regardless of it being nerfed.

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>>31015688
who said i liked talonshit ?

after he got nerfed he's useless with stealth rocks running around like there is no tomorrow.

good luck trying to keep that piece of shit at full health

>>31015711
Use a defogger then

>>31014610
>>31015111

The blacklist is generally for Pokemon that shitters will insist are good, but in reality, are garbage. Last gen it was stuff like Donphan, now its Decidueye.

>>31015842
But they arent bad just not Ou material this is why you should still use them in Ou. Teach these tierfags whos boss by winning with pokemon you like in any tier.

>>31015866
I'll repeat myself

"The blacklist is generally for Pokemon that shitters will insist are good, but in reality, are garbage."

>>31013321
>tfw you didn't know a-greninjas nature wasn't set like in the demo
>tfw rash greninja
A-at least s.atk is boosted?

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>My boy mimikyu still doing good
He may drop but at least my newest favorite isn't complete shit. Was really worried pre SM that gamefreak would shit on him because of his ability.

>>31013258

>everyone before November said Lele was going to be the worst Tapu.
>it's actually the best one, and will probably get suspected in the upcoming months.

>>31013585

Everyone did.

And then people realized Greninja can literally destroy anyone not named Toxapex (or pokemon with a water immunity) with Water Shruiken in the Rain, as long as it gets at least 3 hits in, when Pelipper got Drizzle and can get in Ashinja in for free.

>>31016024
Nah, I thought Bulu was gonna be the worst and Fini the best. Lele and Koko in-between.

>>31013356

>Buzzwole
>A+

FUCKING APOLOGIZE, RIGHT THE FUCK NOW!

AND ITS GONNA GET EVEN BETTER WHEN IT GETS DRAIN PUNCH IN THE NEXT GAMES!

>>31013512
Why the hell do people want smogonbird back?
If anything the fact that it can check most of the UBs as well as do work against bulu and lele are proof that smogon bird would have been worse then it was before. Not only that they introduced an item that protects against contact damage so it wouldn't just kill itself on defensive garchomp.

>>31016024
Didn't people say the same about Ash-Greninja being worse than with protean?

>>31013795

The OU environment is not kind to them at all.

They're much better off in the UU environment.

>>31016169
Because now abilities that negate priority and accelrock probably being spread to more pokemon in the future would have made Talonflame less viable. Still viable but less so.

Nerfing him beyond the point of no return was a mistake on GF's part. Just like the Dark Void nerf.

One step forward, two steps back.

>>31016199
>Dark void was a stupidly strong move in doubles
>Not because of Darkrai but because of Smeargle
>Make the move usable only by Darkrai to nerf Smeargle
>Make the move 50% accurate
They should have only done one of these, not both.

>>31013908

Mega Mom is still banned because it can still 2HKO 95% of the tier thanks to Seismic Toss.

>>31013957

You mean OU Alpha?

>>31016221
yeah, it's pretty sad when dark void is usable no where, the only place is ubers doubles, and thats like a near non-existant metagame, just like NFE

>>31015952
They arent tapu lele so they are bad

>>31016199
Thats what I was thinking especially with Psychic Terrain showing up so much. Plus you can't even use the fucking ability now especially with stealth rock still being wide spread. If they made it so you can only get priority when you're 50% or above it would have been fine.

>>31016199
honeslty I don't think people would run sundog unless talonflame was the top OU threat, and the psychic terrain would definetly hurt it, but you could play around it a bit, not to mention bait lele in to switch and then flare blitz her.

>>31016187

Yep.

A key thing to know about /vp/ is that whatever /vp/ says, the opposite comes true (unless it's blatantly broken shit like Megamence and Mega Fug)

Stealth Rock will never be nerfed!
Mega Pinsir will be shit forever!

>>31016221
I think it was necessary, unfortunately. I think they wanted to prevent Dark Void from being completely necessary in VGC, because teams would immediately make room for Darkrai if it was locked to him with no further nerfs.

It sucks for Darkrai, but fuck Dark Void.

>Ash-Greninja is that high

impressive. thought Protean will be considered better, but i don't agree about the whole "only specs is viable"

life orb(pulse/shuriken/extra/ice meme) is good as fuck too. 1550elofag here. get your change form and save it for late game and watch how niggers drop while you can keep changing moves.

Why is salamence b+ rank? I thought it was shit since gen 6

>>31016251
I play Doubles Ubers, Darkrai usually throws a huge wrench at whatever you're planning since most of the staple Pokemon can't defend themselves against Dark Void bar Protect or miss.

>>31014200
>252+ Atk Miracle Seed Tapu Bulu Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar: 293-345 (113.1 - 133.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
???

>>31017583
Does bulu even outspeed gengar ? Only tapu i caught was keko so far

>Salamence in B+
Can someone please explain

>>31017293
But Darkrai was and never will be allowed in VGC

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>>31013258
Ayy good to see my boy going strong.

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>>31017836
It's just Charizard lite without its Mega. Then with its Mega it becomes Fug lite.

>>31015306
just use marowak, toxapex or one of the other 50 mons that wall it with ease

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Jesus H. Fuck, if you just shaved off S and A+ this would be a perfect meta.

>>31014938
>>31014937
Sub 1100 shitters detected. Because we totally need another Ubers worthy mon bringing even more cancer to OU! Retards.

>>31018151
post your elo

>>31017754
Bulu doesn't need to outspeed when Gengar can't switch into it. While Gengar does resists Grass, Bulu's sheer power can easily plow through it.

>>31017475
>>31017836
Flynium-Z? It's powerful but I didn't expect it to make Mence that much better.

>>31018010
Tapu Bulu's ability and Grassium Z Solarbeam were huge buffs for it

>>31017475
Z-Fly makes it actually usable in OU.

>>31013610
Honestly, those are four of the better looking 7th gen mons, so I'll take it.

Bewear and Salazzle are cool too, and UU is where all my bros are anyways, so I'm excited for those two especially.

Only gotta hope that Golisopod and Snowslash can make it into UU, then I'm happy. Although I'm a little bummed Mantine flew right past my tier of choice...

>>31013885 finally one of these faggots with the epic super effective meme gets BTFO'd, well done >>31013885

More tiers or expand the bl please

>>31013812
>130 SpA with spammable Fairy STAB
>secondary STAB is kinda mediocre, but gets a huge boost from Psychic Terrain and nails Toxapex
>Psychic Terrain also cancels out all forms of priority for five turns, so besides giving Lele Psychic nukes it gives your entire team a temporary Queenly Majesty/Dazzling; this is a big plus for setup sweepers and things like Pheromosa which are seriously threatened by priority
>it can be used for both team support and as a major threat in and of itself; it's fast and powerful enough that a Specs or Scarf set can tear things apart, but also enough that it can hold its own whilst holding Leftovers for an increased lifespan or Terrain Extender for three extra turns of priority cockblocking and Psychic nukes
>it's qt as fuck

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Guys, I'm scared for my Tapu Waifu. It's Mega Mawile all over again.

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>>31018378
>secondary STAB is kinda mediocre, but gets a huge boost from Psychic Terrain and nails Toxapex
Anon, Lele only uses Fairy STAB to touch Dark types and reliably check Dragons. PSYCHIC typing is what defines Lele more as Psychic STAB KOs nearly everything that doesn't resist.

>>31018437
I probably phrased it badly; it's mediocre before the boost, at which point it becomes ridiculous.

Nailing Cancerpex is just a nice little bonus.

Genesect already being suspect tested. Lele's days are numbered

What's this about moving every UB to an alternate tier?

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>>31018572
I'm not sure, but sounds good. Remove Tapus. Remove genies. Remove UBs. The meta will be a glorious place, lads.

where is the fucking bamboo whore

ubers already?

>>31018596
She going to stay OU. Only Leech Seed as recovery makes her balanced.

>>31018602
then tell me how to kill her ;_;

>>31018203
>Z-moves are bad and waste your item
We need some "what vp/smogon trained/expected/got" chart

>Play Memefrog in Rain

>Everyone always asks why

NIGGA HITS LIKE A NUKE

SO STRONG

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW HARD A SPECS HYDRO PUMP IN RAIN HITS

OR JUST HOW HARD WATER SHURIKEN HITS IN GENERAL

>>31013893
How about this:

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Magearna in Psychic Terrain: 63-74 (33.6 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

This is a resisted hit against max sp. def Magearna. Given how shitty Steelix's special defense is, there's not even need to use focusmiss or hp fire:

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Steelix in Psychic Terrain: 97-115 (53.2 - 63.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Guaranteed 2HKO.

>>31018856
Shit, I had the Steelix calc with the wrong nature. Its actually:

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Steelix in Psychic Terrain: 89-105 (48.9 - 57.6%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO

That means you can just click psychic a few times and switch to a counter since Steelix is easily countered.

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>>31013258
>>31013356
Everything in S and A+ Ranks should be banned to Ubers.

>>31013463
underrated post

>>31018622
porygon z

>>31018622
Moltres

>>31019171
... or just play a different tier?

>>31013542
Scarfed Gengar is surprisingly an effective revenge killer, &tw.

>>31013812
It's so strong it can take out Chansey with just 2 Psyshocks. It can also (assuming it doesn't get any status) dismantle stall all by itself.

>>31013853
are you retarded?

>>31013915
Actually, you just ban all Mythicals (aka all event pokes), Ban the broken megas and turn matches into 3 vs 3.

>>31014937
>>31014938
If base Mewtwo didn't have Recover, Aura Sphere, Psystrike and 108/90/90 bulk they would test it.

>>31019581
I want to play with Skarmory.
S and A+ Ranks are fucking broken.

>notices pelipper

Wtf just happen? Played all the way during oras, took a break until yesterday that I got my sub copy

>>31020157
Pelliper got Drizzle in S/M.

>>31020157
>Drizzle
>Slow U-Turn
>95 Base Special Attack
>Hurricane
>Better than fucking Politoed

>>31020165
Fair enough, cant believe we are back to weather teams but watching the topus and their inherent terrain changed I guess that was logical, thanks fampai

>>31020182
Also Mantine got Roost, in case you didn't notice it.
Gigalith got Sand Stream, Vanilluxe got Snow Warning, Torkoal got Drought. But these ones are too shitty to be used in OU.

>>31020192
I can see AV gigalith somewhat viable now, not super top tiered ofc because that hp, but at least it will rise tiers, or at least I hope so

>>31020238
Yeah it seems to be abundant in UU alpha since Hippowdon and Tyranitar are both OU.
Torkoal is even worse than Ninetales, tho, I don't know what they were thinking...

>>31016294
It's sad how this is always true