What went wrong

>>30941603
Starter wars

I just want starters to end already.

SM starter should've been just Rockruff.

>>30941689

You're not forced to keep them, you autist.

Decidueye isn't 101 speed

>>30941738
Yes but I hate how your rival and possibly champion's team has the inevitable starter that usually doesn't fit their style.

Starters at this point only exist to build up hype.

>>30941603

Not Ballio and pals.

>>30941603
Pokemon artists are getting worse at drawing.

>>30941603
Your taste in Pokemon?????? Fuck if we know

No calm mind and recover on primarina
Anchor beats owl
Cat doesn't learn common sense dark attacks

>>30941603
the fucking owl

>>30941689
Eww No thanks

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>>30941603
Primarina is CUTE!

They're the best starter trio since gen 4, imo
Only disappointment to me among them is decidueye's typing and speed, but I've seen the dude do some cool stuff so it's no big deal

>>30941603
Tranny seal and Bara cat are the worst starters we've ever gotten, only disgusting neet furfag degenerates like them. Decidueye, however, is amazing.

>>30941603
Nothin yu fuckin pleb bitch ass ninja shit taste lover ass whor

>>30941862
>
Tranny seal and Bara cat are the worst starters we've ever gotten, only disgusting neet furfag degenerates like them. Decidueye, however, is amazing.

And yet the owl didn't make the top 30 in the battle of alola while the other 2 did.

>>30941862
That's not true, the wrestler cat is really popular and the fact that you call it a tranny seal makes it seem like your opinion is a joke though

>>30941862

Stop giving owlbros a bad reputation.

>>30941862
>nu-male

>>30941949
>hoo-male

>>30941603
Too much clutter
Shit stat distribution
Fucking cereal mascot

Respectively

>>30942021
>It's the "Primarina is over-designed" meme

No it isn't. It looks fine.

>>30942021
I bet you jerk off Charizard

>>30941603
Decidueye is the only good one. You have to be mentally handicapped if you choose the other two.

>>30941775
Starters exist for the same reason they did 20 years ago

>>30941603
The only bad one imo is LuchaLitten

What the fuck were they thinking

>>30941890
>Jelly bones owl with shit looking hands is amazing
>Opera seal is shit
Manwithnotaste.jpg

>>30941603
>ou material goyim. I mean my friend!

It's a weaker empoleon.

>>30942125
They were thinking cool and spectacular

>>30942082
>owlfags

>>30941603
Shared bad speed is the only actual problems with these starters.

/vp/'s problem is starting starter wars for some reason.

They leaked 3 months after the reveal of the game.

Almost nothing, they are cool as fuck, exclusive move and z move
They are just slow.

Okay, here we go. Focus. Speed. I am speed. One winner, forty-two losers.

>>30942202
Starter's aren't supposed to be super viable.
>but some starters have great stat spreads
SOME do. I'm talking about physical design.

>>30941603
A man who behaves like a beast shall never suffer the pain of being a man. Yet a man without love is like an orchard without cherry blossom.

>>30942306
Incineroar is like a fire/dark Swampert with intimidate.

>>30941603
>specific human jobs/activities as part of design
>all bipedal

Poppillo line """stands""" when it attacks so it pretty much is

>>30942125
Please, as if tranny seal and nu-male owl were any better.

>>30942345
Yeah this is why I don't like any of them really. I like pokemon to look like animals, and when they look too human without a good premise they look like shit.

>>30942369
At least they don't shoot fire out of their dick

>>30941862
You're so cool and edgy can I suck your dick anon?

>>30941603
Starter Wars

and they're all slow as shit

at least one of them should've been fast

>>30942345
>thinking standing on a tail breifly and bipedal are the same thing

>>30941603
They aren't even bad. Shut the fuck up its been months of bullshit about these 3 and they're not even good enough to be used a lot so we shouldn't have so many fucking threads about them shut the fuck up Jesus fuck you old denialfag cunts FUCK

Decidueye has shit stats, Incineroar looks like trash and Primarina is for faggots and degenerates.

Just like last gen.

Primarina is fine as a starter, but Dicidueye should have taken on more natural attributes as owls. The wings don't look like normal bird wings, and I think defined talons on the feet would have made it look better. As far as Incineroar goes, why the FUCK was it not quadrupedal?

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>>30942345

These aspects are bad...why?

>>30942345
Popplio/Brionne/Primarina is not bipedal.

>>30942570
Because I signed up to raise pets

Not RPG party memebers with specific skills in human activities and predetermined personalities

>>30942558
Decidueye looks like shit and is shit competitive-wise
There's nothing wrong with a shitmon being bad.

>>30942592
>>30942470
It's not actually bipedal but it's pretty fucking humanoid Primavera

Between the blouse/eyelashes with eyeliner/Long hair tied by pearls

I don't remember any of the other starters having this much shitposting behind them. Maybe it was because they leaked so early and amid such an active fake leak season that people had time to get emotionally invested toward/against them. Imagine how things would be if they hadn't leaked at all.
I'm pretty fucking sick of starter wars though. Can't people just like what they like and hate what they hate without dragging it into threads where people don't want to hear it?

>>30941603
They're slow.

>>30942690
You seem to have forgotten that this site is called 4chan.

>>30942674
Primarina is obviously based on a mermaid so it having some human characteristics makes sense.

>>30942673
where you trying to respond the comment above that one buddy

>>30942369
Anyone who uses nu-male should have there opinion discarded. Where the fuck did this word even came from anyway ?

Slow tiger who can't even learn Fire Punch.

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>>30942612
>implying there aren't already plenty of Pokemon with predetermined personalities
>implying we haven't always had Pokemon with skills in human activities (see pic related)

>>30941689
Starters are there so new players can learn the basics of the SE/NVE mechanic. These games are meant for children.

>>30941603
Decidueye could use more wing definition, other than that it's ok.

Incineroar is an instant 0/10 for being humanoid and based around a fighting style

Milotic did the mermaid thing better


I can only imagine if they hadn't been leaked, they'd easily be the most hated starter group ever. I think only Rowletfags kind of got what they wanted

The real question should be "What went so right compared to the last two gens ?" I still can't believe I used to like Delphox of all Fire starters.

>>30942839
Yes but that doesn't look like a human and uses it's extra appendage to convey it's excellence at it's skill

I know I'm being incredibly autistic about this but these are actually some of my least favorites Pokémon of all time

>>30942674
Lots of Pokemon have humanoid or man-made characteristics. Blastoise has cannons, Hitmonchan has boxing gloves, Klefki carries keys. It's not exactly unprecedented.
>>30942745
You know, some boards have threads that don't devolve into shitposting. Just because it's expected doesn't mean it should keep happening.

>>30942839
Yes and those are cancerous as well.

At least starters until Gen 4/5 were still monster-esque. It was fun to imagine how my Torterra could be a stone-cold badass, or a smiling retard because it didn't have any personality hardwired on it. On the other hand every single Incineroar is a meathead wrestler fag that is all about wrestling with every move. Miss me with that gay shit

>>30942833
It gets Flare Blitz, who cares?

>>30942839
>>30942895
Yeah, I definitely prefer the animal-like Pokemon over the ones that feel like Ben 10 heroes.

I can't even imagine how something like Incineroar would work in the wild. It feels like I'm raising the states of my brawler on my RPG party and not a species of animal of the pokémon world

>>30942066
I'm fine with details as long as they make sense, Primarina's starfish and pearls look out of place, I'm fine with the frills and spikes tho.

>>30942080
Venusaur is the only non-shit starter in gen 1.

>>30942861
>I can only imagine if they hadn't been leaked, they'd easily be the most hated starter group ever. I think only Rowletfags kind of got what they wanted

And how did you get to this conclusion? Because of the voval minority of whiny clownfags who never mattered and quadrupedfags who have been getting cucked already for years?

>>30942898
Never like Blastoist either

Hitmonchan is down there for lowest Pokémon

However Klefki is a good Pokémon based on the stories of caries stealing shiny things, such as keys

When it makes sense it can be a good Pokémon

But no.

Torracat just becomes a buff bipdeal cat with a wrestling belt

No explaination

>>30942996
Nearly all of the pokemon don't work in a wild environment.
It's also worth noting that Starters aren't found in the wild.

>>30943076
On the contrary, most of them do bar a few exceptions like some humanoids. It also helps that most pokémon leave room for different personalities. Apparentely every single Incineroar in existence acts the same and has the same personality. I can't imagine a species like that. On the other hand I can clearly imagine a colony of Feraligatr, since they actually feel like animals and not like a specific character from a cheap RPG

>>30943072
Most Popplio starter predictions werr nothing anywhere a furfag mermaid, so I'm guessing by that

Incineroar needs no explanation

>>30943075
>Torracat just becomes a buff bipdeal cat with a wrestling belt
Torracat has strong front legs. You know the part that could be considered arms? Evolving into a biped is natural.
Also it's bell is the wrestling bell.

Primarina's and Incineroar's design

>>30943181
nu-male get out

>>30943149
Holy fuck this

It's not that incearoar has a bad personality, it's just

Let me use my imagination

Sometimes less is better

>>30943149
>I can't imagine a species like that
You do realise that not only is common in pokemon but in reality among animals.

>>30943180
>havibg strong limbs means it makes sense to be bipedal

Clearly monster cats are not a thing

>>30943180
>strong front legs
>that's why it shifts all of it's body's sight onto it's weaker legs

>>30943175
>implying starter evolution predictions are ever anywhere close to the real thing

>>30941603
Popplio was fine, but Rowlet and its evolutions should have been replaced with Bounsweet's, and Litten needed to increase its speed by 50% in his final evo.

>>30943221
No it's not. What exists in reality are general traits, like honey badgers not giving a fuck. That translates to the pokémon in things like Mankey or Wimpod that have some general traits, but room for inidividuality. The thing with Incineroar is, imagine there is a species of dog. But all those dogs have the exact same personality, quirks and tastes. It's not realistic at all.

>>30943229
>>havibg strong limbs means it makes sense to be bipedal
Uh yes?
That's how evolution works you evolve to make the best use of your dominant traits.

>>30943289
Mankey doesn't have much room for individuality. Kek.

>>30943289
What the fuck is this bullshit I'm reading? Pokemon has never been realistic.

>>30943262
Starter evolution "predictions" are mostly the desire of artists. There's barely any prediction of a bipedl Litten evolution outside of joke images because no one wanted another humanoid fire starter

>>30943289
>It's not realistic at all.
>Pokemon
No fucking shit.

>>30943289
>What exists in reality are general traits
No. Especially when it comes to the aquatic kingdom and birds.

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>>30943286
If there's another thing I'm glad about these starters is that they completely BTFO'd the entire "Starter stat distribution" pattern.

>>30941819
> Cat doesn't learn common sense dark attacks
Like what? It got a signature attack that's better than everything else anyway.

>>30943311
Mankeys get easily angered. It can branch out anywhere from there.

All Incineroar have one single hardwired personality, like a RPG character. If you imagine something like your Incineroar being on the shy side you're already conttadicting the GF lore because Incineroar has no room for individuality

>>30943355
>ignores stat changes
Best move.

>>30941603
Trannyseal and Baracat

>>30941862
/thread

>>30943384
It's actually pretty worthless because barely anyone on the competitive scene will boost their defenses. I mean it's a solid Dark STAB but the secondary effect won't see much use other than the occasional BP team

>>30943352
Oh, dont get me wrong, I like Incineroar. But holy shit, is it ever slow. Even a slight boost would have been fine. It would fit into the whole Luchadore image as well since you need to be agile as fuck to do all those moonsaults.

>>30941603
>It's not a fighting type!
>it's just a type of a professional fighter

>>30943355
Darkest Lariat is a decent move but it's hardly better than Knock Off. With that speed, Incineroar also wishes it could use Sucker Punch.

>>30943379
Actually Incineroar doesn't have a set personality.
It has a wrestling motif and a violent disposition like Mankey to a lesser degree.

Decidueye funnily enough has a set personality in that they all get spooked easily.

>>30943443
It ignores ALL stay changes anon.

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>>30943379
And if you can imagine something like your Mankey being on the calm and calculated side then you're already contradicting the GF lore.

It can go both ways.

>>30943481
Both are tutor moves. Everyone's cucked out of those for the first games as always. Incineroar can still get them.

>>30943483
Go read the description on the official site. They actually go in full detail to make sure you can never imagine any aspect of the personality of your Incineroar

>>30943481
This irks me the most. Sucker punch is a perfect fit for him, and yet he never learns it.

>>30943504
So, defense?
Evasion maybe, but that's out of the question anyway.

>>30943572
This is it just so you know
>In the heat of battle, Incineroar shows no concern for its opponents—and sometimes even launches attacks that strike the opposing Trainer! As a result, many tend to dislike this Pokémon and keep it at a distance.

This is a great amount of leeway personality wise.

>>30941603
GF is now hellbent on making at least one barabait and waifubait starter instead of letting them not be furshit.

>>30943648
>Game Freak is not allowed to make feminine starters and should only cater to my tastes

>>30943072
Can't speak about Popplio but a lot of Litten fans were/are disappointed in the direction the final stage took.

>>30943675
>barabait and waifubait
>barabait

Most final evolutions of starters are bipedal.

So if you hate a Pokemon just because it's bipedal then you pretty much hate just about every starter's final evolution.

>>30943648
>unironically using buzzwords to describe a Pokemon
>thinking innocent kids (who these games are targted towards) see these as furbait, waifubait, barabait, [insert whatever stupid noun you want to use to label a Pokemon because of some peverted strangers on the Internet]

>primarina
Nth wrong, nice sp stats and typing

>decideueye
Dhelmise is superior in every way, they should have at least made it a fast pokemon

>incineroar
Needs intimidate ability asap

>>30943785
Nothing wrong with Pokemon based on animals that are bipedal being bipedal, but it gets pretty annoying when every single Fire starter has to be bipedal, including a pig, a fox, and a cat. Fire starters used to always be my favorite but them never being quadruped and the trend of having the last 4 out of 5 of the Fire starters based on fighters is really repetitive and boring.

Millenials who feel like starters should be thematically themed and pandering to be as relatable as possible.

>The geek/likes calm and collected-reserved shit/modest hood/focused/easily loses its shit/CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING
>The hothead/likes badass-cool things/independent-does-everything-on-his-own/I'm a jackass but I'm actually a nice guy
>The cutie/the cute humble home boy that is afraid to come out because afraid of comeback vs. the openly sexual dude who you can tell he's gay simply by his mannerisms yet feels the need to shove its sexuality down your throat/the one that wants to sing its heart but keeps it in and can actually vs. the one that probably doesn't sing that well even though it sang all its life/young girl that likes cute stuff

>>30943952
Game Freak deciding to go this route has nothing to do with millenials, unless you have some sort of proof, then you're just talking out of your ass.

>>30941689
I'd rather pick Emboar as my starter than this shitmon.

https://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/competitions/4101/

https://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/competitions/4102/

>>30943869
A Pokemon can have multiple audiences in mind, you know. Sure little girls like pretty Primarina and little boys like tough Incineroar...but so do furries and waifushitters, very much so. Look at Salazzle and Tsareena too - GF knows exactly what they're doing with Pokemon like this.

>>30941603
Nothing.
>>30941689
Pretty much all starters are better than Rockruff.

>>30941603
Not much except some strange stats distribution.
They're probably among my favorite trio even tho i'm not the biggest fan of Primarina.

>>30944088
I like Primarina and I am not a waifushitter.

I like Primarina's design but people can like starters for more than just their design. Typing, ability, and stats matter as well. It's the reason I like the genies even though they don't have the best designs.

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>>30941603
They look very humanoid , instead of being part of a specie they look like a single individual

>>30944163
Maybe Litten achieved their third evolution form after living with humans for so long and eventually spread that 3rd form to the wild Littens through breeding?

>>30944088

The anime was even self aware about this.

Meowth dying and going into "heaven", Gardevoir, Lopunny and Glaceon as static "pleasant" imagery on a otherwise supposed to be kids' show.

You guys are morons if you think Game Freak isn't aware of the audience's more depraved side, even more when you consider all the bloody porn there is out there of pokemon like the ones mentioned and not even only those, those three babes are only the tip of the fucking iceberg.

>>30944627

Oh yeah, just to add, there was a site out there that had artwork of female characters literally fawning over fucking Machamp.

>>30941603
>What went wrong?
>No hidden ability access.(yet)
>Still skewed gender ratios when it should be 50/50
>Primarina's HA is pretty bad, and Decidueye's is subpar at best
>No Tutors/Post-Bank Breeding to assist with their movepools (yet)

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>>30941603
>Incineroar is goofy as fuck
>Decidueye isn't bad but its legs look retarded and its middle form is one of the ugliest Pokémon in the game

>Waifubait is the only acceptable option
What went wrong?

>>30944769
nah fuck the tranny

Nothing's really wrong with them for me personally, but it still blows my mind that this is the first trio of starters where not one of them has a speed stat of at least 100. There's always at least one, but this is the first time that there isn't. It's pretty weird.

>>30941603
6 months ago

Starters went from:

>Would type would you like to pick out of these three starting choices?

To:

>What persona do you like best out of these three starters?

OP pic related is a symptom of this new trend. Starters are designed to appeal to different personalities now, and its a cancer that results in pseudo human fursona pokemon.

Is weakness policy Primarina a thing?

>>30944769
>Waifubait is the only acceptable option

Yeah no, I'm not really that dependent on a type combination and whether it's good or not and the seal's barely impressive.

It sucks because Popplio and Brionne are cute, but their evo, instead of looking cute, just looks like it's trying too hard to pass off as cute and instead looks too freaky looking and unnatural. Yeah, I know, Fairy type, meant to look like a faerie/siren mermaid seal, it's still freaky looking. It just looks like it's pandering to THAT crowd a bit too much. Not saying Brionne might not look like that as well, but at least Brionne still resembles a sea lion/seal and I can still try to see it innocently.

And don't worry about me having problems about picturing them as male whether the starter is male at any driven point, I literally gave up on that and just consider the entire line's gender ratio as 87.5% fairy and 12.5% female because Game Freak definitely had that mindset as well when it came to designing this starter line in specific.

>>30945309
Only items you should be running on Prim are Assault vest/PrimarinaZ/Specs everything else is lackluster.

>>30941603
They're all slow AF (just like 90% of other Alolamons) - resulting in them being outsped by tons of pre Gen 7 mons (even slow ones). Decidueye is hurt by this the most since it has little to no bulk, a limited movepool and a very vulnerable type combination.

>>30941862
I'm a Decidueye fan and this has to be fucking bait.

>>30945337

It's not the Pokemon's fault you see it as an attempt to pander to a certain group. I sure don't see Primarina thay way. It's cute to me.

>>30945337
Just like the poster boy for nu-males who wish they were edgy panders to a certain demographic as well.

It feels good pulling shit out of my ass.

>>30943532
A Mankey can be chill outside of battle, but be angered easily. Being easily angered is just a general trait. On the other hand Incineroar

>has to be like a wrestler all the time
>has to love crowds
>has to pretend to be annoyed by kids, but secretly love the attention
>has to be an asshole sometimes
>has to be prodeful to the point of not fighting weaker oponnets
>probably more but I forgot.

These are not generals. This is a very specififc personality that for some reason every single Incinceroar has. Comparing to older starters, these Gen 7 ones do not feel like you're being given a pet to raise, it feels like you're put in charge of teaching a RPG character how to fight

>>30941603
Humanoid anthroshits for fur faggots, who have clearly spread throughout GF like a growing tumor generation after generation - to the point that they've dictated these ugly ass starters for two generations now.

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>>30946189
This, they are putting the starters within a very narrow box with little to wiggle room

>>30946309
>fedoras aren't fur fags
You've confused the stereotypes friend.

Normal people don't like super humanoid pokemon, they're creepy as fuck.

>>30942919
>He can't imagine his Incineroar being a fine babysitter while he goes out to the store

>>30941603
I'm fine with the designs overall, but their stats are garbage.
They intentionally fucked Deciueye for no reason, making it a mixed attacker without the speed to sweep, the bulk to last, or the movepool to be a mixed-attacker.
Incineroar might find a niche in UU, but it's shit speed tier will make that hard.
Primarina is in the best shape, but it's outclassed by 4 or 5 better options so its niche is already filled(that's what she said).
>>30941775
>Yes but I hate how your rival and possibly champion's team has the inevitable starter that usually doesn't fit their style
Autism.

>>30941603
Everyone hates Decidueye because the fans were obnoxious enough to make any people that like it after the autistic shrieking ended branded as the same people. Became an icon of shitposting (i.e. "fedora owl") because of this.
Everyone hates Primarina since they assume it has to be female rather naming it something like Pierre. Became an icon of shitposting (i.e. "tranny seal") because of this.
Everyone hates Incineroar because they think everyone wants to have muscle sex with it a la Lucario and the ones that do spam it everywhere in a ratio higher than those who appreciate the design. Became an icon of shitposting (i.e. "mmm daddy bara tiger") because of this.

I personally like them, but I preferred Rowlet because I love owl pokemon and Noctowl was my bro.

>>30941806
I dare you to draw something better

>>30946899
Primarina and especially Incineroar are divisive from what I've seen, but most people seem to either like Decidueye or not have a strong opinion about it.

>>30947166
It's the most popular starter in game among the general playerbase according to the official polls, which became ammo for shitposting.

>>30944703
Is it really possible to design a Pokemon that won't attract furry tho ?
Furry like Cartoonish/Manga designed animal, which is pretty muvh the definition of a Pokemon.
Blaming Gen 7 for that when we got this shit since Gen 1 is utterly pointless and hypocritical.

And don't start saying "Gen 1 was made before all the furry shit", except most of the old Pokemon got some minor redesign when the art style of the franchise changed, that made them to looks way more attractive.

Litten destorys the ingame though and Popplio has early Scald. Rowlet is the worst though sadly because it cannot learn Acrobatics until Decidueye which is retarded because not only is it the only flight based starter, the other two can learn it before the thrid stage.

>>30947571
Rowlet is excellent in game for capturing pokemon, since it gets false swipe and ghost type, plus Synthesis. Litten is the best at killing things with brute force because it's very powerful and Popplio is the eh ok starter, but gets a lot better when it makes it to primarina.

>>30942996
I don't see what's wrong with Wild Incineroar.
If anything they probably behave like normal tigers except instead of killing they're prey with a neck bite they probably crush their bones some wrestling moves.

They ended up being real

>>30941837
yes but I really want to lewd her

>>30943952
>>30943998
Millennial refers to people born between the years of 1980 and the mid-1990s or 2000s.

You're probably using that word wrong.

>>30948279
No I'm not. This is just Game Freak doing whatever they want.

And for the people saying they hate the starters because they lack individuality and leave little room for creativity, you're all full of shit. This is literally the first time I've ever heard of anyone saying they hate the starters just because they actually have set personalities. Fuck off, you probably don't even really hate the starters because they have personalities. You're just reaching for anything to try to shitpost and anything to delude yourselves into thinking that's a valid reason to hate the starters. Simply put, you're all trolls desperately grasping for reasons to hate the starters.

And even if they did have more individuality and room for creativity, it's not like Game Freak would ever build upon that anyways.

You guys are like that one idiot who said he doesn't like Greninja because its tongue scarf isn't "realistic". Imagine that, someone complaining about a tongue scarf not looking realistic in a FUCKING POKEMON GAME OF ALL GAME SERIESES.

>>30948638
I like (some) of the starters a fair amount, but I really do wish they had less "set" personalities. I'm not trolling, but you might be.

People like pets because they're unique and special. Pokemon can't be unique and special when there's no room for a unique personality. It requires a stretch of the imagination to view Incineroar as anything but a cocky arrogant wrestler type. Primarina and Decidueye are less guilty of this, but planting that smug smirk right on Incineroar's face makes it more difficult.

Nothing. Everyone who replied to this bait without saging is retarded.

>>30941689
kys tard

I love all three starters first stages, but hate all three final evolutions. I used Rowlet in my Sun nuzlocke, but really didn't get attached to it at all through my journey.
Hell, I didn't even feel sad when it died; probably because I felt a stronger bond with my Misdreavus and wanted to keep him alive instead.

This was my first time ever experiencing pre-release hype and leak season. And I will say, I found it disappointing, especially the fact that the starters final evos leaked just shortly after the starters were even revealed.
That said, next generation, I have no high hopes for the starters, and they were always the best part of any new generation. Gen 7's just killed my faith in GF's artists at this point.

>>30948638
This post is utter rambling nonsense.

>your arguments against the starters are baseless because you don't actually think that way, you're just all mean trolls and by the way here's a strawman argument about greninja that I will attack instead

please don't post if that's how you're going to "argue" a point

I am literally lmaoing at all of the nerds who pick the owl because they're afraid that liking the mermaid seal will make them gay or that liking the big beefy cat will make them gay. You're all so insecure :^)

>>30948977
>It requires a stretch of the imagination to view Incineroar as anything but a cocky arrogant wrestler type
But it also requires a stretch of the imagination to view any pokemon as anything since they're not real. Saying they've made it harder for you to headcanon personalities for your starters is just autism.

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>>30949719
oops I forgot my smug anime pic

Incineroar and Decidueye come out of fucking nowhere and Incineroar doesn't even commit to the heel wrestler gimmick.

>>30949719
I dunno I just like birds and I hate cats because they eat birds
popplio is just kind of forgettable until primarina, could've just replaced it with Spheal or something.

>Litten
70 Speed
>Torracat
90 Speed
>Inceniroar
60 Speed

Starters that have lost speed upon evolution are none, the lowest speed gain from evolution is Quilladin to Chesnaught, which is +7 speed. Meanwhile, Inceniroar loses goddamn 30 Speed for what, HP? It doesn't even have the same defenses as the other 60 Speed starters, Swampert and Empoleon, nor the type resistances that they have.

Inceniroar a shit, case closed. The only thing going for it is VGC doubles with Intimidate, but how many of them will you really fucking see even there?

>>30941689
wants starters to end...wants shitruff

>>30950086
Incineroar isn't even available with Intimidate yet you idiot. It sees play because of its surprising bulk (for a Fire type at least) and rare access to both Fake Out and U-Turn and a deceptively good movepool in general. No Knock Off/Sucker Punch (which oughta be staples for most Darks but whatever) certainly hurts, but Incineroar still fulfills a niche. It gets even better with its Hidden Ability, while the other two don't. It's the only starter with an actual upside

>>30948239
>her

>>30949719
I actually didn't want to have to reset for a female Poppilio to name "(Male)".

>>30949517
>they were always the best part of any new generation. Gen 7's just killed my faith in GF's artists at this point.
>implying the Gen. 5 starters were better than these is any way

wew

>>30950218
>slow
>weak to priority moves
>weak to eq , stone edge, any water or figth moves
>walled by some tapus
>revenge killed by most UBs

Just use Arcanine if you want a better fire type

>>30946413
>Normal people don't like super humanoid pokemon, they're creepy as fuck.

Stop projecting your personal feelings to make it seem like you speak for everyone. Thanks.

>>30946198
>F-Furries are out to get everyone!!1!

(You)

>>30948012
>muh Ballio

>>30944788
I mean... isn't that the point of it?

>>30941603
>No Recovery, Shit Ability

>Mediocre Mixed Attacker

>No Knock Off/Sucker Punch, No Recovery, SLOWWWWW

>>30951071
>No recovery
Breed Aqua Ring
>No Recovery
Fucking Leech Life

>>30951104
>actually thinking that shit move and non STAB make for reliable recovery

>>30950823
Tbrh Arcanine suffer from pretty much the same things except with a better speed and worst bulk.

>>30942861
Sea serpents are mermaids now?
>>30943060
What I want to know is if the spikes are supposed to be a part of the pokemon or an accent on the 'skirt' its wearing. I wouldn't mind them as much if it was an accessory of some sort, but as an anatomical feature they make no sense especially since it spends most of its time lying on its stomach and on top of these spikes.

>>30941689
I unironically want you to die

>literally dozens of possible rock paper scissors combinations they could use
>they give us grass/fire/water for the 1000th year in a row

fuck game freak

>>30952552
Why the fuck did they backpedal so hard in Gen 6? Literally all the needed to do was swap the secondary typing for any of the starters and we would have finally had a SOMEWHAT different flowchart, with one going one way while the other is in reverse.

>>30941603
As a whole they're a step down from the starters of the previous gen.

Chesnaught > Decidueye
Greninja >>>>> Primarina

Incineroar managed to outclass Delphox but that's an insanely low bar and it's still slow as fuck, they're all slow as fuck

Decidueye's stat distribution in particular is just baffling

>>30952552
This
They should've done fighting vs psychic vs dark at least once

>>30941603
Incineroar.

>>30942082
>You have to be mentally handicapped if you have a different opinion than me

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>>30941603
This

>All these competitive whiners

Decidueye and Primarina are solid UU and OU useable and Incineroar is set to become a VGC staple. You all are just salty your favorite didn't get banned to Ubers so you can't be smug to people who picked other starters.

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Leave OU to me!

>>30941603
Why the fuck are they all slow. Blastoise, a turtle, is faster than all of them. That's the problem.

>>30941603
the entire gen.

>>30952552
The starter Pokemo is for beginners, Water Grass Fire is an easy combo to understand

>>30941603
They are all way too humanoid. Anthro designs are the worst.

>>30942345
This exactly. Pokemon are animals, not people in fursuits.

>>30955050
Pokemon can be people in fursuits since Gen 1. You don't get to decide what Pokemon are.

Giving nasty plot to two starters who barely have any special attacks

The only bad one is Primarina. The other two are cool.

>>30954580
And Venusaur, the fat fuck toad/dinosaur/plant has 80 Speed. Why the hell is everything so goddamn slow?

>>30955345
There were very few of them in gen I and that doesn't mean these designs weren't shit too.

>>30954580
>>30955448
GF realised how bad they fucked up with powercreep and tried to fix that the worst way possible.

>>30941603
Owlfags ruined Decidueye whent heir starter was only okay, and made it the faggot choice.
Primarina was ruined when its evolution wasn't something like Ballio.
Scratch that. Popplio was ruined when a young boy's partner evolved into a cheap hooker.
Litten got a little worse when it's evo was confirmed anthro, but evened out when it was confirmed to be a luchador. Still ruined because it sucks.

This isn't atypical. Starters aren't good Pokemon. The only ones that are good are the ones with a broken gimmick, as well as Venasaur, and Swampert by fluke.

>>30955641
By completely ignoring the fact that the powercreeped material still exists, and only making shit afterwards.

>>30941603
Nothing.

Primarina does the siren/queen of the sea thing better than Milotic.

Decidueye is the 'cool' starter, but is still one of the better looking grass starters.

Incineroar is a bro pokemon.

>>30955610
>Alakazam/Machamp line and Hitmons were bad

Leave.

>>30954425
Incineroar is a solid doubles Mon, and people are sleeping on Primarina's potential, but Owl in UU? You crazy anon. BL2 at best once people start abusing its ability to trap and pass stat boosts.

>>30941603
Too slow.

>>30941603
Primarina's whole concept design execution
And their speed stats

>>30956298
>Primarina does the siren/queen of the sea thing better than Milotic.
Haha no. Milotic did the mermaid thing, incorporating the mermaid motif without overpowering the sea serpent base.

Meanwhile, someone decided Popplio shoudl evolve into a Mermaid, so they just slapped all the aqua girly shit at it, and called it a day

>>30956675
Except that Primarina actually looks like what it's base is, including have the whole singing thing. Primarina is a siren/nereid while Milotic tries to be that sort of but also a sea serpent.

Primarina is also prettier than Milotic.

>>30941603
>design Primarina, for rittu girrs

>Keep meme fucking gender ratio, 'muh rarity'.

>Ditto exists.

What a joke. Gamefreak have a special kind of autism with what can and can't be changed from the status quo.

>>30957355
>most Eeveelutions look girly, especially Glaceon and Sylveon
>still keep the gender ratio

>>30957403
>'Most'
The only outright specifically girly eeveelutions are Sylveon and Glaceon but nothe even as much, just because of the hime(and Espeon if you're a stupid muhrican triggered by pink/lavender).

>the rest easily look neutral or some even in fact slightly more 'masculine'.

Eevee has 8 possible evolutions so it's not the same as a mon as outright girly as Primarina with no other options, being 87.5% male. If you have a male Eevee you can decide you don't want to get Sylveon etc. But with Popplio if you have a male, gamefreak think you should get fucked.

>>30941975
>woo-male

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>>30941689

Primarina can deal with her speed with Z-rain dance, she gets a speed boost and water damage boost on one turn

Timid primarina can outspeed jolly chomp and has boosted hydropump/operata/scald, ice beam and moonblast for coverage, overall great combination.

hey its better than NOTHING

>>30941603
Primarina's gender ratio and HA.
Decidueye's stats and HA.
Incineroar's fingers, proportions and stats.

>>30957897
It really isn't. It's still pretty much the single worst water or fairy type in the game that doesn't have a single redeeming feature.

>>30957937
Measured and reasonable post.

>thumbs up.

>>30954982
>"G-Gamefreak is trying to turn me into a furry! I-I swear guys!"

>>30955387
>Feminine things trigger me

>>30955050

t. autist who needs to see everything literally and can't understand that Pokemon come in all shapes and sizes

>>30950738
Looking back and comparing the two sets, I'd rather have Gen 5's starters. Emboar suddenly doesn't look so bad now. Not when Incineroar exists, alongside Delphox.

It doesn't help that I love foxes and cats in general, so two generations in a row of disappointment has soured my mood.

>>30954982
>>30955050
Pokemon are pocket monsters not animals.
They can be whatever they want to be.

>>30957937
And also the fact that Incineroar was the fifth humanoid fighter fire starter in a row.

>>30949215
Found the underage

>>30941603
I like all three designs
But the owlfags are obnoxious faggots or the other two falseflaging as owlfags

>>30959010
>Emboar suddenly doesn't look bad now
Yes. Yes it does.

/vp/ in ~5

>I really like Venusaur/Charizard/Blastoise but Decidueye/Incineroar/Primarina has to be my all time favourite starter

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I used to wonder why /VP/ hated Decidueye so much, because its wing bow is pretty clever and it's a good design. First I thought the board was just being contrarian, then I noticed this on the catalog and realized of course this is why, how could I forget it's furfags who make up 99% of the board?

>>30962231
I like Decidueye. It's owlfags who I don't like.

>>30962231
Overexposure/owlfags/falseflaggers and the fact that it can't mechanically work as a bow.
It's a slingshot.

>>30957937
Incineroar has pretty ideal stats, apart from speed.