are the tapus and UBs legendary pokemon?

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>>30934563

sidenote: are mythicals a subset of legendaries?

For narrative purposes, UBs are not

Gameplay purposes, kind of.

As far as what people are going to call them, of course they are. Calling them mythic is stupid as shit.

>>30934563
What? Of course the Tapus are legendaries, they're on par with the Lake Guardians (at the VERY least)

>>30934583

Yes

>>30934563
There's no reason anyone should consider UBs legendaries. Nothing calls them legendary, including the game which goes out of its way to show you like 5 Nihilego floating around Lusamine like they were tentacool and we were surfing. Then hands you 4 Buzzswole as your second UB quest.

Legendary is a completely arbitrary term to begin with that absolutely doesn't mean anything at all because some legendaries are legal while some are banned. Some have good statlines while others are lower than everyday Pokemon like Dragonite and Garchomp.

>>30934583
Yes, those just refer to events most of the time, but in-canon can't reference gamestop obviously. There's no real debate there.

lore wise:

Are there only one of them? Are they in legends as some kind of guardians/fearsome force/whatever, yknow, in a... legendary way?

Yes obviously the tapus are fucking legendaries

UBs are not as they are commonplace in their dimension

Tapus ? Yes, you have to be a GameFAQ fag to think otherwise.

UB's ? Eh, yes and no, yes in the Pokemon world, no in the Ultra Dimension.

>>30934583
No, but most Mythical Pokemon are Legendary Pokemon. Eternal Floette and Hat Pikachu are Mythical but not Legendary.

>>30934563

the real litmus test is can you be called a 'scumbag' for using them on your competitive team? if yes they're a legendary

>>30934618
Literally nobody ever has called spiky eared pichu, cosplay, or surfing pikachu a mythical pokemon.

Honestly it really boggles my mind how we have been having these discussions about the Tapus for months it's obvious what the answer is. Type Null/Silvally is much more worthy of debate than them and it's even harder to guess it's status since Mewtwo has a similar origin and there also seems to be more than one (Kanto and Kalos) just like him.

>>30934634

was there a lore reason why kalos has a mewtwo?

Yes to both. However, they're sub legendaries like Heatran, Cresselia, the genies, etc.

The UBs are a slight subversion as they're actually common shitmons in their home world

>>30934563
>tapus
yes

>UBs
no

>>30934563
>Tapu
How is this even a discussion?

>UBs
Not in their world, but they can be considered legendaries in world due to their rarity and how strong they are. Personally I'd just group them as UBs separate from other Pokémon

>Silvally
Now this one is interesting. I think it just boils down to whatever DNA was used to create it. If a legendary pokémon is on the mix we might have a second Mewtwo case

>>30934649
Pokémon Forest or whatever it was called ia sanctuary for mistreated pokémon. Mewtwo might have decided to settle there to protect the pokémon. Keep in mind, it might be the same Mewtwo as the Cerulean Cave one, since canonically, it was never caught

>classifying UBs as legendaries
You could potentially have the next game have multiple UBs (like this one already did in multiple cutscenes) so that it completely dilutes their value, i.e. commonality to the point of shitmon so no one would even consider them legendary.

Not classifying Tapus as legendary meanwhile, makes no sense.

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They're all together just called Special Pokemon. This what the game calls them in the GTS and Pokedex. Special Pokemon can then be divided into 3 groups.

Sub-Legendary
-Is listed as such in game's coding.
-Can be used without restriction in the Battle Facilities, online matches, and tournaments.
-Have a green background in the Rotom Dex

Legendary
-Is listed as such in the game's coding.
-Is usually banned from Battle Facilities, online matches, and tournaments.
-Has a gold background in the Rotom Dex.

Mythical
-Same thing as the above Legendary, but can only be obtained through special events and giveaways, or through could only be obtained through such in the generation it debuted in (ie. Deoxys).

So all together they're simply Special Pokemon.
The first group can be called Sub-Legendaries, since that's what the game's code calls, and it's a direct translation of what Japanese fans have called them for over a decade.
The second group, "Legendaries", could be called "banned legendaries", based off the Japanese fan term, or "uber legendaries" as people used to call them.
And then event legendaries are Mythicals.

>>30934563
They're both fucking wrong. Tapus, UBs and Type: Null line is legendary.

>>30934727

best answer

>>30934727
>Type: Null and Silvally not in the same category as Mewtwo

How?

>>30934609
but anon there's canonically much more than 1 cosmog, lunala and solgaleo

and they are also said to come from ultra space

tapus are 100% legendaries and even they are said to be probably UBs themselves in the game

>>30934717
Something worth noting is that while other games do not allow multiple legendaries, NPCs on the battle facility can use the trios, heatran and cresscelia. Oddly enough none of them use UBs, Tapus or the Lake Trio. So I'm guessing none of the trios is actually unique. With that in mind I could see why someone would classify UBs as legendaries: they are strong and very rare sincr wormholes don't pop often, so they're extremely rare

http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/

Click on Legendary.

That means that at best, Magearna and Zygarde are Mythical, and the Tapus are as well. Ultra Beasts are their own category.

>>30934749
Because mewtwo is essentially a clone of a legendary pokemon.
And there is only one.

Type:null is like porygon only made of organic material and machinery instead of data.

>>30934828
We do not know what organic material went into Type:Null. If it includea legendary pokémon samples, it might very well be legendary. The mask has Zygarde Cells on it at least

>>30934828
But porygon can breed, plus >>30934840
Legendary pokémon is pretty unclear.

Personally, I'd go with UBs on one side, and everything else that has green/gold background on rotom dex is legendary.

>>30934820
the Pokemon site continually calls formes new Pokemon and can't even get TCG decklists right.

>>30934828
Porygon can breed tho, and there's more than one Cosmog

The game literally tells you when you obtain a legendary Pokemon.

>>30934760
>tapus are 100% legendaries and even they are said to be probably UBs themselves in the game
It is never implied the Tapus are UBs. They fought some UBs in the past and were granted "dominion" over something by Lunala/Solgaleo. Probably the power to manipulate "Z-power" which is just Ultra Energy anyway.

>>30934583
Theoretically no.
Practically yes.

UBs and Cosmog line aren't event Pokemon.
They're some beings from other dimension that work kinda like Pokemon.
They're all likely Pidgey/Ratatta equivalents of their dimension too, but since everything there is much more powerfull they're at legendary level when transferred to Pokemon dimension

>>30935048
>UBs aren't pokemon
It's over guy, they're pokemon, get over it.

>>30935106
>aren't event Pokemon
Learn to read

>>30935166
>They're some beings from other dimension that work kinda like Pokemon.

Learn context clues.

>>30934563
I asked Serebii and he says they're coded as sub-legends like Articuno, Landorus etc. and the only reason they're not listed on the same page is because it'd have been repeated information on two pages.

>>30934583
No. Mythical only mean "event-only pokemon". Fancy Vivillon, AZ's Floette or Ash-Greninja are mythical pokemon too