Was Drought Torkoal usable?

>>30878287
He's good for casting and has good defense but I'd say he is dwarfed by Tortunator; who has a wider move pool.

>>30878287
hilarious in Doubles with Oranguru for Trick Room + Instruct or After You Chlorophyll Lilligant for sanic speed Eruptions

>>30878331
>dwarfed by Tortunator
What? They serve two entirely different purposes. Besides, Turtunator is garbage in general.

>>30878434
>Besides, Turtunator is garbage in general.
Thank you for including your opinion.

Tortunator has better movepool. He serves more purposes than Torkoal.

The problem is why use Torkal for Drought when you have Mega Charizard Y.

>>30878490
>serves more purporse
>can't set up the weather
>can't rapid spin
>can't learn stealth rocks

yeah i guess the movepool does really make a big difference with that mediocre 91 spatk

>>30878633
>setting up weather with torkoal
>using his shit speed and offense
>passing on draco meteor
>passing on bulk up
>passing on charge beam
>passing on head smash
I'm going to assume you're new and give you a pass from humiliation.

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>>30878749
>shit speed and offense
yeah cause that's the purpose of a defensive mon
>Bulk Up Head Smash
>78 atk
please be baiting, you gotta be baiting, you can't be this fucking retarded

>>30878287
He has nuclear eruptions. See him often on battlespot ranked doubles using>>30878333

>>30878749
nah, Tortunator is pretty bad in general. Nothing he can do that someone else can do better. Torkoal at least happily fills his niche.

>>30878868
>>30878840
You've clearly never gone past 1200 elo, if you ever played a single competitive game in your life that is. Either way shut up so we never have to hear your bullshit.

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>>30878749
>Using Charge Beam as proof of it being anything but shit
>Hard Recoil, non-stab Head Smash coming from a MASSIVE base 78 att
>Implying Torkoal wasn't dominating VGC a few weeks ago with STAB+Drought boosted Eruptions.
>Bulk Up on a mon with shit HP, Att, Speed or recovery
>Not even mentioning its actual good points like typing or Shell Smash.
You're a goddamn idiot

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>>30878840
>>30878868
>>30878898
>samefagging this hard
>setting up weather with torkoal
>passing on Bulk Up Draco Meteor
>passing on Bulk Up Charge Beam
>passing on Bulk Up Flamethrower
You're wrong.

Face it, Torkoal is a waste of space.

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>>30878895
kek show us the replays then faggot

I love turtonator's typing, I hate its execution. Abysmal speed, no recovery, poor offensive stats, no rocks no spin despite that giant shell. Neither it nor torkoal are going to sweep or stall, but torkoal at least can set up rocks and weather

>>30879022
>but torkoal at least can set up rocks and weather
>get rekt by Earthquake first turn
Shut up you idiot.

>>30878749
best b8 I've seen in a while. Congrats.

>>30879157

>A Pokemon gets KO'd by something that's weak to so it must be shit!

Also with 70 / 140 physical defense you'll be surviving most Earthquakes.

>>30879157
>252+ Atk Choice Band Mudsdale Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Torkoal: 302-356 (88 - 103.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
I don't know what either Mudsdale or Torkoal runs atm, but it at the very least is likely to survive a hit first turn against a STAB Earthquake coming from a 125 base attack stat.
You really shouldn't be keeping in Torkoal on something that knows Earthquake regardless, though.

>>30879157
>torkoal getting wrecked by by EQ
>not running Air balloon if you are too retarded to prevent it

>>30879376
stop catching his rod with your mouth, gay nigga

>>30878287
>was
answered your own question

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>>30879345
>>30879376
Enjoying wasting 2-3 of Sunlight and 1 fainted mon on stealth rocks and rapid spin.

>>30879404

but i like it tho ;(

>>30879400
Team isn't viable with Torkoal, thats the point.

>>30879482
No, no, you got it all wrong. Sun in general isn't all that viable compared to Rain or Sand, but Torkoal is still 100% a much better Sun setter than Ninetails ever was.

They should make a fire type swift swim/sand rush

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>>30879554
Why the fuck is this thread filled with so much fucking bait holy shit

>>30879554
>chlorophyll

>>30879554

>what is chlorophyll

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>>30879542
>but Torkoal is still 100% a much better Sun setter than Ninetails ever was.
Ok, lets stick to Turtonator/Torkoal shall we?

>>30878331
Literally apples to oranges

>>30879585
>>30879575
>>30879573
how many fire types have chlorophyll?

>>30879438
It's only good in vgc, and Stealth rock isn't as predominant

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>>30879588
No, really, it's true. Sun, in general, was the least viable of the weather types in Gen 5 due to no small part of its weather setter being a bad mon whos only use was for its ability.
Politoed is bad too, don't get me wrong, but Rain itself was the best type of weather due to its numerous benefits and mons who could abuse it well.
This is, of course, ignoring Abomasnow and Hail, which are both so shitty neither were viable at all.

It's actually funny, A-Ninetails has actually once again beaten out Abomasnow once again as a weather setter, this time with what was once its own unique weather type, Hail.

>>30879588

I think that discussion is much more retarded like Torkoal is a Sun setter/Rock Setter/Spinner while Turtonator is a Bulky attacker.

The only field you could compare them is being Shell smash sweepers, which in that case Torkoal gives you more powerful fire attacks thanks to Drought while Turtonator is faster and has more coverage and Dragon STAB. In that In that case would say Turtonator is the better pick.

they're both shit tho

>>30878614
To use another mega?
To have a tankier sun settler than doesn't take 50% from SR nor a turn to set up the sun the first time?

>>30879774
Ninetails was an amazing sun setter with amazing speed, access to great status moves (hypnosis and confuse) and good special attacks to offend (heatwave).

>>30879852
>Torkoal is a Sun setter/Rock Setter/Spinner while Turtonator is a Bulky attacker.
Except Torkoal isn't a rock setter or spinner. He can't pull any of that off without threatening the entire team because of faint.

Is this the Verlisify thread

>>30879345
>b8
>implying people here aren't retarded enough to use Bulk up Turtonator

>>30879903
>100 speed
>Amazing
>Hypnosis being a good way to induce sleep
>Confuse Ray being used at all
>Heat Wave over Fire Blast, with it needing all the power it could get because base 81 Sp attack is meh
Ninetails is was not an amazing Sun Setter, it was the only Sun setter and that's why it was used at all.

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>>30880007
>wasting turn using Rapid Spin Torkoal
>Complaining about 100 speed Ninetales with Hypnosis and Confuse Ray.
You're making a fool of yourself.

>>30878749
Holy shit every single one of your points is fucking stupid. I hope this is a bait

>>30879903
Hypnosis and...confuse ray? Really? OK. Can't compare to how useful rocks + spin + auto sun setter is for sun teams. Rather than waste a slot on each one, you can just slap a torkoal on and call it a day. That's called role compression. Ninetails offers pretty much nothing to sun teams (wow 100 base speed so fast). You're comparing gigalith to tyranitar.

>>30878749
>passing on charge beam
verlisify is that you?

>>30879949

He can't be a Sun setter and a Rock setter/Spinner at the same time, but he can fufill the role of a Spinner/Rock setter if your team isnt using sun, so you can run a better ability for that like Sturdy.

If your playing monotype and using fire, you're literally forced to run Spinner Torkoal because the aren't any other Mons that can fufill that role.

>>30879957
No this is the 1000 Elo club. Welcome friend!

>>30878333

That's how I got my 50 wins in battle tree. Oranguru is going to Ubers simply based on his ability and sig move alone

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>>30880102
>Can't compare to how useful rocks + spin + auto sun setter is for sun teams.
>Torkoal faints 1st turn
>Sun setter gone, No rocks, no spin (which is a pathetic waste cause you should have Magic Bounce).

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>>30878943
>>30878898
Neither of them are OU so into the trash they go.

>>30880181
>Ubers
>purely doubles mon
What did he mean by this?

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>>30880192
>>Can't compare to how useful rocks + spin + auto sun setter is for sun teams.
>>Use Ninetails instead because 60 acc Sleep move and Confuse Ray is OP
>>Ninetails faints 1st turn because lol no bulk
>>Sun setter gone, No rocks, no spin

>>30879157
Nihilego gets fucked by EQ too but it's one of the more popular leads in OU.

>>30878943
Bulk Up doesn't boost special attack, dumbfuck.

>>30880425
The proper game etiquette is to give Turtonator twelve turns to set up Bulk Up and Charge Beam, to make up for its lack of special bulk and recovery. It's like you don't even do competitive.

>>30880471
Maybe I'm in the wrong competitive scene, then. Nobody I fight ever lets me set up with my shitmons. It's not fair, man. :(

>>30880192
Torkoal is much more likely to survive the first turn though because 70HP/140Def/70SpDef. It will generally be 2HKO by most STAB earthquakes

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>>30880425
>>30880471
>Not using Dragon Tail
>Not wanting Defense boost
>>30880922
>Torkoal is much more likely to survive the first
>Double weak to Earthquake
Holy shit, this samefag is too much

>>30880253
>Ninetails faints 1st turn because lol no bulk
>Ninetails used Hypnosis
Enjoy wasting your turns on rocks that opponent clears away and having no Spin.

>>30881080
Turtornator doesn't need more defense, it needs speed, special attack and special bulk. And by the time it's set up enough to get any of those things, it will already be dead.
It and Torkoal are both shitmons, but Torkoal at least can do something useful in setting up sun before getting obliterated.

>>30881080
>double weak to earthquake
Are you really this retarted or are you just memeing?

>>30881301
>Are you really this retarted
Are you really this retarded?

Have you even played Gen7?

This entire thread is pathetic bait. Of coure ground mores are very effective to rock. Pathetic.

>>30881080

>Double weak to earthquake

Holy shit mang

>>30881301
>>30881389
>OP samefagging THIS hard for thread

>>30881388
Uh....torkoal is pure fire type. Just like ninetails, but better. :^)

>>30881388
>he thinks torkoal is fire/rock
how high do you have to be

>>30881388
Torkoal isn't part Rock, you fucking retard.
Good God, do you know anything about this game?

So whats a good nature and ev spread for torkoal

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>>30881449
>>30881456
>>30881474
>>30881559
Im still right.

Torkoal is weak to Earthquake.

Enjoy wasting your 1 pokemon and your Sunlight on Stealth Rock which will be removed and Rapid Spin that you'll never use.

You could have removed first pokemon with Turtonator or had your Singles opponent alseep with Hypnosis.

Torkoal is a complete waste.

>>30881559
Bold, 248 HP, 232 Def, 32 SpD.
Give it Lava Plume for burns, Rocks, Rapid Spin and either Earth Power or Toxic, depending on whether your team is more balanced or defensive.

>>30880204
Smogon has a Doubles metagame too, you know.

>>30881626
Because those two aren't weak to earthquake, right?

>>30881626
Why are you so autistic about torkal being useless, it's about as useless as the other fire turtle. Both of them are weak to earthquake, all sun setters are outside groudon.

>>30881626
You know Torkoal has enough defense to survive most earthquakes, right?
You know not every Pokemon carries earthquake, right?
You know Turtornator is weak to earthquake too, right?
You know Turtornator isn't going to be Koing anything with base 91 special attack, right?
You know you're a freaking joke, right?

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>>30881660
>_____ used Rock Slide
>Torkoal Flinched!
>_____ used Rock Slide
>Torkoal Fainted!


>>30881720
>>30881744
>Because those two aren't weak to earthquake, right?
Didn't say they were or werent.

Maybe if you could read you'd see using Rapid Spin and Stealth Rock on your weather caster is childish.

>>30881769
>You know you're a freaking joke, right?
>having a Torkoal as your weather mon

>>30881788
>_____ used Rock Slide
>Ninetales Fainted!
You're right my dude I finally see the light

>>30881788
>every Pokemon knows a rock/ground type move
___ used Draco Meteor! Turtornator fainted!
See, I can play your stupid game, too.

>>30881907
>send out Torkoal for Sunlight
>Proceed to use Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin
>'boo hoo! why do other people use pokemon that counter me!'
I can see you like fainted pokemon, Torkoal is done in those 2 turns.

>>30881892
>Ninetales used Hypnosis
>_____ is fast asleep!

>>30881788
Torkoal is one of 4 automatic sun setters, 2 of the others are a legendary or an outclassed mega. The point isn't that Torkoal is good, the point is it actually has a useable niche, unlike Turtornator which is complete garbage.

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>>30881960
>Tears through sun teams
Lol

>>30881960
>Torkoal is done in those two turns
And it will still have done something useful, unlike Turtornator.
Ninetales used hypnosis!
Ninetales' attack missed!
Ninetales was btfo by its opponent!

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>>30881996
>he point is it actually has a useable niche, unlike Turtornator which is complete garbage.
He doesn't have a usable niche, hes a poor mans ninetales.

>>30882072
>And it will still have done something useful
He's not useful if he faints the first turn and you havent done any damage to opponents pokemon because your moveset includes Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin.

>>30882194
You don't have to kill an opponent's Pokemon to be useful, you autist. Setting up sun boosts he power of other teammates' moves, removes weaknesses to water, can lower the accuracy of opponent's moves, and can even boost a teammate's speed if it has Cloryphill. And unlike Ninetales, Torkoal can actually take a neutral hit, potentially giving it the chance to come back and set up sun again later in the match.
Although given I'm talking to someone who thinks Torkoal is part rock type, I don't expect you to understand anything I just wrote.

>>30882194
>Stealth rock and rapid spin aren't useful
Just stop posting, fucktard.

>>30882331
>Setting up sun boosts he power of other teammates' moves, removes weaknesses to water, can lower the accuracy of opponent's moves, and can even boost a teammate's speed if it has Cloryphill.
Except you waste your sunlight with shit status moves and then end up wasting your Pokemon to faint.

Now you've wasted Sunlight and Torkoal, or the waste the Mon you switch in.

>>30882386
At least say Will o Wisp you fucking pathetic samefag.

>>30882452
Sunlight lasts for more than 2 turns, dipshit. Again, you don't understand shit about the damn game.
Torkoal can already get burns and do direct damage with Lava Plume, it doesn't need Will o Wisp. Stealth Rock on the other hand is such a useful move in singles that a lot of people think it's broken. It's hilarious who you keep posting like you actually know what the hell you're talking about.

>>30882550
>Sunlight lasts for more than 2 turns, dipshit.
>implying I said it did
>using stealth rock and rapid spin
Enjoy wasting turns, pokemon and your entire life.

I like running yawn on Torkoal

it's a sleepy turtle.

Gotta switch or take a nice nap with the turtle.

and sure as shit works more often than fucking hypnosis

>>30882627
>Stealth rock is a waste of a move
Enjoying being a worthless little shit who knows nothing about battling or coherent arguments.

>>30882686
>using stealth rock and rapid spin on a drought torkoal
If you use those moves you are fainting.

If you switch after casting sun, that pokemon is fainting.

There are better drought pokemon, get over it.

torkoal is one of my favorite pokes, I am little saddened that he is a PU tier pokemon who is really only good for exploding. ;_;

>>30882751
> if you use those moves, you're fainting
Not unless your opponent has a super effective move, because Torkoal actually has useable defense unlike your hero Ninetales.
> if you switch in another mon, it's fainting
You switch in a mon that can deal with the current opponent, that's how switching works, retard.
There are better sun setters
Read >>30881996 and actually form a real argument instead of spewing shit.

This thread is painful to watch and it's obvious who can't into pokemon.

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>>30882854
>Not unless your opponent has a super effective move
>>30881960
>'boo hoo! why do other people use pokemon that counter me!'

>>30882903
That's still not a rebuttal of anything I said, dumbass.
Maybe you should spend more time learning the game instead of posting retarded memes.