Gen 3 is p good But why is it so ugly And why is GBA sound so bad

Gen 3 was probably my least favorite. I can't really think of much I would miss if everything from that generation was removed from the series

>>30838629
>abilities
>weather
>double battles

>>30838699
Weather was introduced in gen 2.
Doubles is kinda meh.
Abilities are great tho.

>>30838774
it was? gen 3 expanded upon it though

>grew up with first two generations
>play ruby and sapphire, extremely disappointing and made me fall out of the series
>come back with gen 4 which i enjoyed a lot
>hoennbabies claiming that gen 4 is objectively the most hated (which is probably true considering the age range of most pokemon fans now)

feels bad

>>30838699
Abilities is a good point. I think weather came in gen 2 just not with pokemon auto-setting it. I sort of hate doubles and all the gimmick battles that have followed it

The only reason I love Gen 3 and it's one of my favourite is because it was my first gen. Nostalgia man.

>>30838545
3 is still more playable than 2 imo. They both really miss the split however.
Yeah, the music can be a little grating in both games. Moreso in FRLG though.

>>30838811
gen 4 is definitely the most agreed on to be good
a lot of that might have to do with hgss though

>>30838811
Same, I skipped out on FRLG because of this.

>>30838699
abilities were probably the best new addition to gen 3. doubles are okay but are way under utilized. i hate natures

>>30838808
Not really.
The legend covers got an Ability involving weather, but all the weather iterations were already a thing in gen 2. Ah, gen 3 also introduced castform, but it's kinda lame.
Gen 5 expanded weather, giving Drizzle and Drought to non legendaries.

I liked it but I agree that it lacks a lot of content, specially ruby and sapphire, at least emerald kinda redeemed it

>>30838545
How is it ugly? It's arguably aged the best out of the first 5 generations.

>clean spritework
>bright colors
>60 fps
>no transitions in the overworld

>>30838629
>abilities
>natures
>ninjask
>shedinja
>duskull
>weather
>maybe doubles

>>30838904
GBA is really an ugly console.

>>30838911
Again
weather was introduced in gen 2.

>>30838545
>And why is GBA sound so bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9_BRW5S0Ys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T0pG8PKhBU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsW_BCoeQZA

>>30838915
I know some games had fucky colors to compensate for the crappy screen, but it's pretty easy to find roms that undo it these days.

Really, not seeing the issue here.

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Low quality bait, OP. Like, couldn't you at least say something more typical of your kind like how it had too much water despite the abundance of money and availability of repels? Makes me wonder.

>>30838950
then why did they make all the other tracks sound bad

>>30838952
Imo, Pokémon Crystal looks way prettier than any GBA pokémon game. Specially the sprites.

FRLG look fine, as for sound, the GBA had no dedicated sound chip, so everything went through the CPU or used the GB sound chip, or something along those lines.

>>30838904
>clean spritework

Really hope you aren't thinking about RSE. RSE has terrible spritework.

Also, the replayability they have thanks to the ROM Hackers that worked with them is impressive. You can literally have an almost entirely up-to-date (ORAS) FireRed and/or Emerald ROM nowadays.

Well...Romhacks are romhacks, you know...
I guess we are talking about the original games.

>>30838990
I don't know if I agree with that, but I will say that the Gen 2 games do look damn good for their time. The spritework was so good they actually reused a lot of it for Gen 3, and some of them ended up in 4 too I believe.

>>30838987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlsHqqv-InE&index=71&list=PL46A49E65817F8577

God I love Gen 3's soundfont

>>30838972
Too much water is a legitimate complaint though. Also don't forget needing three separate HMs for traveling in water and the fact that it takes up a huge chunk of the region.

>>30838699
>cancer
>cancer
>more cancer

Wow, look at how much gen 3 improved the series.

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>>30838545
performance over prettiness? I don't know, Ruby and Sapphire looked good for their time now it's a bit wonky especially on the spritework. Ran great tho.
>when you're zipping past the entire region on a mach bike going 60 fps with little to no transitioning

>>30838950
Strangely, it sounds much better listening to it by itself than while playing the game

>>30838972
I forgot to mention that constantly using repels is also annoying. It was bad enough in caves, but at least caves have more than two Pokemon and aren't as big as the huge fucking ocean

>>30839153
Are natures cancer too?

Gotta agree with OP.

Gen 3 was very good all round in terms of the gameplay and the Pokemon added, but the aesthetics of the games were comfortably the worst aside from Gen 1.

>>30839133
And in Gen 4 you needed 3 HMs to navigate mountains, which there were a ton of.

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>>30838545
Literally the only good things about it were the gamecube RPGs and Sevii islands. The overworld and battle sprites actually managed to look uglier than gen 2 somehow. Moving from Crystal to Sapphire has got to be the biggest downgrade I ever experienced with this franchise in every possible sense.

Hoenn could be retconned completely and nothing of value would be lost.

>>30839246
No one was talking about Gen 4.

>>30839262
I'm saying that the Too Much Water complaint can be applied to other installments. While you can say surfing was annoying, it gave some pretty cool locales in the GBA and led to some creative exploration puzzles, like navigating the rapids near paciflog to get to Registeel.

Ignoring the remakes, Gen 1 had major problems with how the game was programmed. Gen 2 was one of the most forgettable regions in terms of layout. Gen 3 is 7.8/10 too much water. 4 is mountains, etc.

3 HMs to explore most of the area (really just 2, surf and waterfall) is annoying though.

>>30839162
I think that's why people found Diamond and Pearl to be so slow. The GBA games were ridiculously smooth and ran great. Going from 60 fps to 30 was very noticeable.

>>30839238
Yes? Why the hell are you people defending a feature that can make your wild-caught bros OBJECTIVELY usless in competitive? Natures were the biggest mistake in the series for those of us who would rather play Pokémon than soft-reset: the simulator. They could at least lock each mon to their 2-3 correct natures.

>>30839374
Well, I agree with you there. But just because one game does something dumb that another game does similarly doesn't make it okay. But the constant use of HMs was a dumb trend that Gen 3 started which thankfully was toned down in 5 and removed altogether in 7.

>>30839122
They sampled from the SC-88 / Pro. Seriously look that up.

>>30838629
May

Gen 3 had the ugliest starters.

Yeah, someone had to say it.
Even Gen 5 starters are redeemable in some way.

>>30839122
I really don't understand why people don't like Hoenn's brass instruments

>>30839508
imo 6 > 4 > 3 > 7 > 1 > 2 > 5 in terms of starters

>>30838545
It's was alright for the time. Luckily we've had improvements to the available hardware.

>>30839393
plus
>saving a lot of data

>>30839508
Worst ever? no. They're more middle of the road which is a good description of gen 3 as a whole, just okay.

>>30839546
>>30839508
1>6>7>3>2>>>5>>>>>>4

>>30839508
only treeko line is ugly imo

>>30838545
I don't know what you're talking about.

Gen 3 is the first and possibly the only gen to age well graphics wise.

>>30839635

>What is Pokémon Crystal ?
>What is Pokémon Platinum ?
>What is Pokémon Heartgold & Soulsilver ?

lol the only mon games that aged poorly were gen V games

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>>30839748
Gen 6 already looks like hot garbage too. The grid+3D style was a retarded choice by gamefreak.

>>30839720
Crystal's battle sprites were GOAT but almost everything else aged poorly, especially overworld sprites.

>>30839748
Yeah, the sprites in gen V look so pixelated in comparison to the nes in gen IV

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>>30839810
Nah... GSC overworld will always have appeal due to its minimalistic style and bright colors. Especially at night when all the windows are lit and the forests are a deep blue-green. Gen 2 Johto has a GOAT overworld.

>>30839401
this
if there were a way to change natures they would be acceptable but GF is too lazy to do an actual improvement in the game

>plays pokemon
>cares about graphics

>>30839720
>>What is Pokémon Platinum ?
>>What is Pokémon Heartgold & Soulsilver ?
Two of the worst games in the franchise?

>>30838545
Subjective. I'm of the opinion that 3rd gen were the best looking. Soundtracks are great, soundfonts are questionable.

>>30838545
I liked the e reader and gamecube combalibilty . Emerald, colo and XD were great. No generation was bad on my opinion except gen 6; which was just mediocre.

>>30840046
No. Fuck off. No one can be this much of a contrarian.

>>30840258
Spotted the redditor.

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>>30840046
Nice bait, have a reaction image i made today

>>30840258
True dat yo, i never really liked gen V or VI but they werent bad
except for gen VI which sucked major balls, it was so fucking bad holy shit

>>30840471
I've been here since 2008, kiddo.

>>30840478
Yeah, no kidding. The xy train was fun but it quickly sinked in that this generation was a fucking mess.

>>30838545
>GBA Sound
>Bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fihc2ONQ5v0

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>>30840632
>this music and the background distorting to the music
why is Wario Land 4 so GOAT?

>>30838843
Eh, I'm not so sure. We do know that GF had quite a few complaints about 4 which is why they went full damage control with gen 5

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>>30839122
Gen 3 is basically the "you groove you lose" of pokemon

>>30838934
If you hadn't noticed they're talking about the over world effect.

>>30838867
>doubles are okay but are way under utilized
Personally I like doubles. They add a whole additional layer of meta which can be fun if you choose to do it.

That's why Colosseum and Gale of Darkness were great. I would love a remake or a sequel.

>>30839406
>But the constant use of HMs was a dumb trend that Gen 2 started
Ftfy

>>30840727
Never played XD (>XD Fuck off.) but I thought Colosseum was shit. Battles slower than Gen 4 and the shadow Pokemon thing was annoying. I do like the concept of a whole game of double battles, though.

>>30840744
Didn't get ridiculous until Gen 3 though where you needed them to traverse a huge ass area (the ocean in 3 and the mountains in 4).

>>30840694
>the backing timpanis are still a thing
Bless u 3
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yjbEeVC1yxY

>>30838545
RBY aged better than FRLG

>>30839720
Crystal didn't age well at all especially with how the over world sprites are just downgraded gen 1 sprites.
Gen 4 wasn't particularly good to begin with.

>>30840819
Downgraded? They're basically the same in color. Though that's a flaw for a different reason (lazy).

>>30840833
Take a look at it dude.
There was a level of detail lost in gen 2.

>>30840858
Looking, I don't see it. Most of the sprites are exactly the same.

>>30840782
You realise gen 2 had just as much HM use as 3 right?

>>30840878
>Looking, I don't see it.
How can you not?
Its as clear as day.

Gen 3 is my favorite gen after Gen 2.
I would have liked Gen 4 better if it didn't feel heavily casualized compared to the last titles. Pokemon already felt pretty laid back, it didn't need to be toned down that much.

Gen 4 had the best music though.

>>30840815
AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>30840886
Nope. There are only 7 HMs instead of 8 like in Gen 3 and 4, and there's no area of the game where both Whirlpool and Waterfall are required. From what I remember you use them at two completely different points in the game, not like Hoenn where you get Dive and Waterfall around the same time.

>>30841101
Total HMs =\= HM use anon

Also tohjo and whirl islands

>>30841232
I did bring up total HM use in the second part of my post.

Tohjo has no whirlpools and Waterfall isn't required for Whirl Islands. I even checked to make sure.
> Since the Waterfall HM is not required to go down waterfalls in Generation II, it is possible to get to Lugia without it. A series of ladders starting below the waterfall allows players to return to the entrance.

>people shitting on gen 3 because they had a bad experience with Ruby and Sapphire back in the day
Emerald is there niggas, gen 3 and gen 4 are on the same tier with a god tier third game and remakes

>>30839870
I hate how all the houses use the same sprites, i am glad FRLG fixed this about gen 1 too

>>30841272
>Tohjo has no whirlpools and Waterfall isn't required for Whirl Islands. I even checked to make sure.
Other way around genius.
And if that's you're criteria them there no point in gen 3 where dice and waterfall are used at the same time.

>>30841351
This.

There were only maybe 3 or 4 total areas that required waterfall, as far as I remember.
>entrance to evergrande
>victory road
>meteor falls
>fallarbor

>>30841397
fallarbor isn't required. You just get a rare candy

>>30841443
Yeah, I was literally just listing any places that had waterfalls at all. I don't think you technically need it in victory road either, it might have just been for some extra stuff.

The only other one I can think of is northeast of mauville and south of the weather institute, and I think you get a leaf stone and maybe some secret bases you can access.

>>30841351
>Other way around genius.
I said there was no part in the game where you needed both, so I don't know what you were accomplishing by saying "tohjo and whirl islands" like that was a response to anything I said.

>And if that's you're criteria them there no point in gen 3 where dice and waterfall are used at the same time.
No, but you get dive and waterfall at around the same time in RSE, while you get whirlpool (which is never used after Whirl Islands IIRC) and waterfall at completely different points in the game in GSC. Meaning that in RSE, your water Pokemon's moveset is wasted by 3 moves in the last part of the game rather than 2.
Also
>you're

>>30841502
>you get dive and waterfall at around the same time in RSE,
Yes and?
Once you receive waterfall you never need dive again. Using your logic you need to waste three slots at all times in gen 2 as well just because the HM exists.

Also are you really getting hung up on an auto correct mistake?

>>30838545
It really is disgusting to look at, even the colors

>>30841586
Difference being you have to go out of your way to the move deleter just so most of your Pokemon's moveset won't be wasted, which I doubt most people did anyway.

>>30841753
>Difference being you have to go out of your way to the move deleter just so most of your Pokemon's moveset won't be wasted
And the same doesn't apply to gen 2 for reasons right?

>>30841878
It's certainly a lot more convenient in Gen 2 as whirlpool and waterfall are used in completely different areas of the game and the move deleter is right between them.

Keep in mind the original reason I brought this up, which that traversing the ocean in Gen 3 isn't fun and is made worse by constant HM use. At least in Gen 2 they were mainly only required for small caves. They're not really comparable in the same way.

gen 3 was based wtf wrong with you guys

>>30841929
>It's certainly a lot more convenient in Gen 2 as whirlpool and waterfall are used in completely different areas of the game and the move deleter is right between them.
Not really. If anything then being so far apart makes it more of a hassle as the player would be stuck with whirlpool for a while before gaining the ability to delete it meanwhile by the time you get dive in RSE you already have the ability to fly there and back.

>At least in Gen 2 they were mainly only required for small caves.
Considering you only need to use dive about once and waterfall twice I'd say the use is a lot more scarce than you seem to think.

>>30838545
>ugly
Its literally the only gen that aged well
>GBA sounds
The remake's soundtrack is superior but the originals still hold up

>>30842059
>Not really. If anything then being so far apart makes it more of a hassle as the player would be stuck with whirlpool for a while before gaining the ability to delete it meanwhile by the time you get dive in RSE you already have the ability to fly there and back.
That's actually a good point.

>Considering you only need to use dive about once and waterfall twice I'd say the use is a lot more scarce than you seem to think.
You definitely need to use dive more than once to explore the whole ocean. That's also not even mentioning all the repels you need to not be bombarded by Tentacool and Wingull.

>>30842117
>You definitely need to use dive more than once to explore the whole ocean.
The keywords being "whole ocean".

>>30839631
Treecko and Grovyle are fine

>>30842170
Yes, which is what I was referring to.

>>30842213
You do realise even when trying to complete the dex there's never a need to explore all of it right?
At most it bumps it up to about three.

>>30842170
>>30842170
Oh, by "required" I meant required to explore everything, not the bare minimum required to finish the game. I should have been more clear about that.

>>30839827
The weird thing is that Gen V's spritework is actually pretty great, but the way the game zooms, the awkward camera angles and extremely wobbly and shitty animation on the Pokémon sprites just makes the games kind of hard to look at. I personally often prefer sprites over 3D, but for Pokémon I don't miss 2D at all, it's not like it would ever have had Metal Slug tier animations.

>>30842489
Gen V's spritework was some of the best I've seen. If they kept a constant camera angle/perspective, it'd probably be the most aesthetically pleasing gen.

>>30838811
>hoennbabies claiming that gen 4 is objectively the most hated (which is probably true
well gen 4 won in this poll >>30839343 so i guess i was wrong here

>>30840632
This song was made with the shite sound quality in mind

>>30840815
HAAAAAHAHAGDFSGFVTBB
Yellow maybe.
But if you think R&B look good you're a massive nostalgiafag.

>>30838545
>And why is GBA sound so bad
hey fuck you, emerald soundtrack is my favourite

>>30846426
Soundtrack is good but the sound quality of the gba is balls

>>30846485
could be, i've not played with my GBA for some time, just listening from youtube

>>30838876
Gen 3 introduced hail. Only rain, sun, and sandstorm existed in gen 2

>>30838811
same here, genwunner turned sinnohfetus

>>30847027
actually neither of those are my favorite

>>30838545
Best map/region.
Best soundtrack, specially considering what they had to work with (the GBA sound) gives it a lot of credit.
Best adventure.

Gen 3 has a lot of flaws compared to others, but it still aged like wine.

>>30838545
FR/LG were my favourite pokemon games for a long time. Gen 1 map is great with gen 3 mechanics is better, a decent post game too. First time I actually tried to catch them all and I got close. It was fun until I realised I had to trade basically all gen 3 mon over from RSE which I just couldn't be fucked to do. I loved the whole "this is what you did last time you played" recap.

Then Pearl was released and I think I prefer it overall to gen 3.

Either way here are some stupid things about Game Freak, right?

1. I know recently they've buffed some pokemon, and changed certain mechanics (like burn, etc.), but for the most part they just add more shit onto pokemon; more pokemon, more mechanics, more abilities, etc.

2. They keep removing aesthetic changes like the aforementioned "last time you played" flashback, and shit like following pokemon and changing your outfit (in ORAS). Why? If you're continually adding shit to the core mechanics of the game, why can't you continually add these nice aesthetic changes? "MUH UNIQUE EXPERIENCES SO PEOPLE WILL STILL PLAY THE OLD ONES" Fuck off Game Freak

3. After replaying Gen 1 when they re-released them, yeah, they're broken as fuck, but fuck me is it more simple and enjoyable. No abilities. No breeding. Sure, getting DVs are a pain, but there's essentially no EV training, that is, just kill everything to max your stats. Overall Gen 7 is now a mess of everything they've piled onto the series over the years. It's just too much now imo. They need a reboot to remove a lot of mechanics and shit, but retain the aesthetics like pokemon following you.

>>30838545
>frlg look great aesthetically
>rse look like shit

What went wrong?

>>30838545
>why is the GBA sound so bad

Alright, gonna answer this since nobody bothered giving something worthwhile.

Basically, it's Nintendo being cheap as fuck. To reduce producing costs, they decided it was a good idea to not have a music processor (think of something like the SPC700 from the SNES), so the main processor, the one that does literally everything, had to handle music too. The problem? Handling good quality samples would eat too much processing cycles, so the game developers had to choose either to have a low quality output, or have less power available for the game itself. This is the reason most games sounded like shit, with a ton of noise in the samples. The funny thing is that the samples themselves, most of the time, were stored in the cartridges in an almost uncompressed way, it's just that the GBA distorted them. Very very few developers managed to get great sound quality and good speed, like the guys that made both Golden Sun games.

As a minor note, you might notice that there are many games whose soundtracks consist of mostly 8bit waves (or have them along with the samples, like Pokemon), that's because they did include something to handle them, mostly for retrocompatibility's sake, so they sound extremely clean without compromising CPU speed.

>>30838699
>abilities
Abilities were almost irrelevant in gen III. Almost every grass type got Chlorophyll as it only ability, even if was slow as fuck like exeggutor. A lot of Pokemon in FRLG got Inner focus, yet only meowth line used Fake out (only in Post-game). Lighting Rod and a lot of other abilities were uselles in singles, and go on.
>weather
?
>double battles
Because of that cancer GF will never try to balance singles anymore.
>>30839238
Natures is the biggest cancer of the franchise. You can no longer catch a pokemon and just use it. And Synchronize trick or everstone doesn't work in RS.
>>30838811
Same. Pretty much because the physical/special split. Finally it was possible to use hitmonchan with elemental punches(and hitmonchan got a much better ability in gen IV).

>>30838811
>>hoennbabies claiming that gen 4 is objectively the most hated
The hell are you smoking, this place loves gen4 and hates gen3 with all its might.
People saying they hate gen4 is one thing, but nobody would claim is the most hated.

>>30847659
>The hell are you smoking, this place loves gen4 and hates gen3 with all its might.
i don't think they hate gen 3.

>but nobody would claim is the most hated.
i've seen people claim it. or maybe one person. i guess they're people who think they/people they know are representative of the whole community.

>>30839251
>sevi islands
>good

Pick one

>>30840680
Notice how fast gen. 5 is. Haha.

>>30838545
Gen. 3 and Gen. 5 are the best imo. I could care less about the hater's shitty taste.

Gen. 3 easily has the best collection of legendaries.

Gen. 3 is awesome because it tried to be itself instead of being an extension of Kanto or Kanto 3.0.

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>>30847366
Nature is one of the greatest things to happen to the franchise. Many Pokemon can be effective in different ways.

Gen. 3 is awesome because it was ambitious. It reminds me of the treatment that Hulk 2003 gets.

>>30848811
how?
It's Brock in the first gym, pretty much the same Elite four and a lot of Gen III mons are counterparts of Gen I mons.
GF also used the gen I formula again: one region and 8 gyms.
Hoenn is probaly more similar to kanto than Unova is.

Gen 3's wild battle theme is the best in the series. You can't prove me wrong, so don't even reply.

>>30848880
>Many Pokemon can be effective in different ways
In the competitive they use the same one or two natures in every pokemon. Natures are there to remind that your in-game team is shit.

>>30848905
Yes it's very easy to say Hoenn didn't try to be itself when you cherry pick and choose shit that only helps your side of the argument. I'm not going to waste my time on someone as repulsive like you. I can see where this is going from a mile away.

why does this board hate gen 3 so much?

>>30849036
They don't. I think you just missed the 5 posts directly above you sucking its dick.

>>30849016
Why? What's the point of new characters/pokemon if they do the same job as their predecessor?
>someone as repulsive like you
Say whatever you want about me. I'm just showing you the gen I formula.

>>30848982
I primarily play Doubles so I don't know much about Singles. I think Doubles allows more creativity since your Pokemon aren't working alone.

>>30849116
>Why? What's the point of new characters/pokemon if they do the same job as their predecessor?

Well then I guess no region tried to be itself. Pokemon series confirmed for shit.

>>30849168
first, you called me repulsive and now you are calling pokemon shit. Remeber when you said that you didn't wanted to waste your time? You can do that.

>>30849144
It's not about creativity, it's about natures.
And natures are also repetitive in doubles.

>>30838545
I agree anon. Gen. 3 is pretty good and probably my favorite generation.

>>30838545
>why is the gba sound so bad?
Because Nu-Nintendo wanted to cut costs any way necessary and fucked the sound. The original 1989 DMG-01 Gameboy actually has better sound than the GBA.

>liked gen 1
>liked gen 2
>liked gen 3
>played gen 4 and was bored to death with the slow as fuck gameplay, the bland overworld, and all of the op as fuck bootleg digimon legendaries
I don't understand how so many people defend gen 4, you all have such shit taste.

>>30849492
Try Platinum, DP suck and Platinum fixes a lot shit like
>Saving a lot of data
and more