Competitive Moveset/Teambuilding Discussion Thread

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I've been wanting to get a Multiscale Dragonite for years, so I finally chained for one tonight. This is the moveset I'm thinking of using for VGC, but I can't decide between Roost and Aqua Tail. On one hand, Roost let's me get Multiscale back up. On the other, Aqua Tail works better against Marowak, Arcanine, and Mudbray (among others). EVs let it outspeed max speed investment base 130 after one DD (though I'm considering switching them to SpD because of Ice Beam and Dazzling Gleam).

Dragonite @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Multiscale
Level: 50
EVs: 68 HP / 252 Atk / 188 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Roost / Aqua Tail
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Punch

what do after you finish EV training? Do I just level them to 100 for hyper training?

>>30833120
Either that, or breed more mons. You can also test out other formats.

Otherwise, get on battle spot or teh internet and get some battles in.

>>30833162
oh ok thanks, I wasn;t sure what to do after i finished EV training my mons. Yeah Was going to play around with a new EV trained team for battle tree

How do I into doubles, is there a guide somewhere?

Am I gonna get points after finishing one day? This meta is garbage.

Are Z moves usable in online and battle tree?
How viable in competitive is Flail?

What are some good support for Buzzwole?

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What do you guys usually use to take down stallers? My friends just wreck me with mons like Toxapex and I always seem to have trouble if I don't kill Rest / Stockpiles tanks in the very first turn on BT. Do people focus on nuking the shit out of them from the start or is there something I'm missing?

>>30838290
You just need to outspeed it with Psychic types or Ground types, or have coverage moves of either said types

>tfw just don't understand competitive Pokémon
I mean I kind of grasp IVs and stuff but I just don't understand what my stats should look like per Pokémon. I can't differentiate between special and non special attack. It just seems so confusing. I've read so many guides but I just think competitive Pokémon isn't for me.

>>30838290

part of handling stall is knowing when to go for the throat and when to just sit back and let them be annoying. Stalling usually leads to predictable patterns, simply observe what moves they make and figure out the turn they are most susceptible. That's when you strike.

What you have to do is either hit their wall at a point where it's caught switching in/recovering really hard with a surprise move and hope it crits or use the opportunity to set up a sweeper.

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>>30833083
Is fucking Nugget Bridge down right now? I am trying to make a new VGC team and I can't access the fucking calculator, and the whole site seems to be unresponsive.

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>>30838354
in the summary page of a pokemon, you can check its moveset, and literally there are markers where you can determine whether a move is Physical (non-special) or Special.

see pic related: the first marker denotes that the move is a physical attack.

the second marker denotes that its a special attack.

the third one means that it's a status inducing move

>>30836958
>How viable in competitive is Flail?
Nonviable. Completely. Reversal is a better move. Hell, Liechi Endure Unburden Hitmonlee is a fun late game pokemon to play with

>>30838330
Psychic is a coverage I'm missing, yeah. I was more using Toxapex as an exemple, though.

>>30838429
Just wait it out and try to bait recovers / switch-in as I use the occasion to set-up, huh? Alright, I'll think about this a bit, thanks.

>>30838502
Aren't they pretty similar though? Why is reversal better?

Is it 4v4 out of 6, VGC rules + Special and Greninja?

Is so wouldn't that just make the 7 VGC pokemon the standard plus Greninja and 100% Zygarde?

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I've been using this mimikyu to some success

the set is specifically made to outspeed tanky garchomp, but also survive offensive garchomp's EQ, and be able to either 2HKO tanky chomp (outspeeding it on the second turn) or OHKO offensive garchomp

it also OHKOs offensive celesteela at +2 with never ending nightmare, so it can take a heavy slam with disguise and then simply get rid of it

Mimikyu
Ability: Disguise
EVs: 112 HP / 252 Atk / 144 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Shadow Claw
- Play Rough

>>30838564
Reversal is better because fighting is a much better offensive type. Both moves are situational, but Reversal has less resistances, and pokemon that can use Reversal effectively are often a lot, LOT stronger for it.

Is 252 HP/252 Attack Adamant Buzzwole with Assault Vest the best option? His speed is kind of lame so I feel that it's a waste of investment. I've been running Hammer Arm, Leech Life, EQ, and Poison Jab.

>>30833112
Adamant is better for DD but Jolly is fine.

Neither go Earthquake you need it.

>>30838290
Toxic shuts down most stallers.

However I find using taunt on toxapex then setting up can really fuck him, but you need to be careful with burns and tanking special attacks from scald.

>>30838354
Play randoms on Pokemon Showdown until you've had enough fun.

It's not really hard so you must be really young or something. Basically just focus on stats that the pokemon specializes in with it's moveset and base stats.

>>30838290
You need a "wallbreaker" pokemon. Taunt + a recovery move yourself or Taunt + BEWST

>>30838738
>really young
I'm 23
Probably over thinking stats desu

>>30838632
Looks pretty calculated, I usually just went 252atk/252 speed.

Choice specs magnezone. What's the logical 4th move? Volt switch, thunderbolt, flash cannon, and what? Not breeding for hidden powers and signal beam is a tutor-only right?

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>>30838632
>>30838762
Here's the actual calculations

>Bulky chomp
252+ Atk Mimikyu Play Rough vs. 240 HP / 176+ Def Garchomp: 200-236 (47.9 - 56.5%) -- 84.4% chance to 2HKO
(Mimikyu is at 264 speed, Garchomp at 263)

>Offensive chomp
252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 112 HP / 0 Def Mimikyu: 196-232 (70.2 - 83.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252+ Atk Mimikyu Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Garchomp: 522-614 (146.2 - 171.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>Offensive celesteela
+2 252+ Atk Mimikyu Never-Ending Nightmare vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Celesteela: 381-448 (113.7 - 133.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>Scarf or Specs Tapu lele
252+ Atk Mimikyu Shadow Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 248-294 (88.2 - 104.6%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

>>30838662
He kind of sucks and isn't viable competitively.

Having such a low special defence and speed really fucks him over.

You can go Adamant with 252 HP and attack and just avoid special attackers if that's your choice.

You can go Jolly and kill whatever it outspeed.

Your final option is Careful/ 252HP/ 252 Sp Def. to try to cover his big weakness but it's not very effective.

>>30838785
Is the Offensive chomp Jolly/ Max speed?

I'm also assuming there's no way he outspeed Lele but he can 2hko it with SS?

>>30838632
I'm curious now, is there a limit on the EV reducing berries? Like, what happens if the happiness is maxed out before a stat's EVs are 0? Thinking of switching my Mimikyu to have this spread.

>>30838961
no limit/ people just use the berries on stats they dont ev train

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I would like to make a VGC doubles team that utilizes Explosion. I imagine having a couple pokemon on the team with this move. Is this viable at all? I know explosion Heatran was popular i n 2015, but I do not know if that is unique to Heatran, or if for some reason explosion would be less effective in the current metagame.

>>30833112
I'd replace aqua tail with waterfall. You take slight decrease in power, but you get no chance to miss and a chance to flinch.

>>30839024
golem with galvanize switch into a koko or xurkitree stealth rock -> whatever -> explode

>>30839058
I don't know whatever you just said, but Stealth Rock is not viable in VGC.

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>>30838852
Yeah, that's assuming it's jolly chomp, jolly life orb has a 50% chance to OHKO that mimi, but that's about as rare as an adamant chomp

You can't SS lele since psychic terrain blocks priority moves, specs lele shadow ball has a 37% chance to OHKO, and lele will always outspeed

Lele is one of mimikyu's harder matchups, but if you have disguise up, an unboosted shadow claw puts it down into range where a revenge killer can pick it up, and is a guaranteed OHKO if lele switches into stealth rocks

+2 shadow claw blows lele up if you know it's scarf+modest, or you think you can survive the specs shadow ball

calcs
>Lele switching into stealth rocks
252+ Atk Mimikyu Shadow Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 248-294 (88.2 - 104.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

>Scarf+modest lele
252+ Atk Mimikyu Never-Ending Nightmare vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 494-584 (175.8 - 207.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Disguise would take it's first shadow ball, and then lele's second shadow ball would only do

252+ SpA Tapu Lele Shadow Ball vs. 112 HP / 0 SpD Mimikyu: 184-218 (65.9 - 78.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

The bigger threat is specs + timid lele, which has a chance to OHKO

252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Shadow Ball vs. 112 HP / 0 SpD Mimikyu: 250-296 (89.6 - 106%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

of course, if you have disguise to hide behind, never ending nightmare will always OHKO lele if you don't want to bet on it's item

252+ Atk Mimikyu Never-Ending Nightmare vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 494-584 (175.8 - 207.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>30838961
There shouldn't be a limit, I like to use pelago to get specific spreads using the exact amount of play sessions

the maxed out EV training island gives 4 EVs per play session

The drawback is that it takes forever

So how hard is the battle tree?
Do I need to use only the best mons? Or would I be okay if I use some of my favorites. With the right EVs and move of course.

Best nature for Solgaleo? Jolly or adamant?

>>30839124
I use pelago too, I like it since it lets my mon EV train while I work on other things.

>>30839170
Both.

Can you use greninja's battle bond and a mega evo in the same battle?

Anyone got some Primarina suggestions? I started out Rowlet, but I've come to enjoy Hatseal Miku.

>>30839170
The best nature is none because Solgaleo is trash, but if you're dying to use it, Adamant.

>>30839140
Battle Tree isn't hard until the higher chains, but the place is infested with hax. You will find that for some reason, moves with sub-100 accuracy will miss more often. If you're confused or paralyzed, you cannot move 30% 100% of the time. Quick Claw on opponent's pokemon has a 50% chance of activating. Minimize once and good luck on you hitting it. Secondary effects will activate more often against you.
You can use your favorites if you want, but keep in mind the Battle Tree memes, because they are real.

>>30839140
It's bullshit because of the unfair RNG.
Fissure will hit more often than not, quick claw will always go first, and worse of all NPC's pokemon will always be the ones that directly counter all 3 of your pokemon.

If you have no answers for water/ toxic stalling they'll do it.

>>30839170
Honestly Anon, Solgaleo is one of the worst fucking ubers ever.

Is it even going to stay in ubers?

>>30839513
Not him, but why is Solgaleo so bad?

Is Lunala better?

>>30838801
Bah. I really wanted to use Gainsquito. I'll still throw him around a bit, I like being able to recover so much. I've considered running him with a curse passer since speed doesn't seem to matter much, but that SpD is just worrisome.

>>30839538
just look at it's state, typing, ability, and moves and then compare that shit to any other common Uber.

Lunala has a decent ability to help it but not much.

>>30839140
The best advice I can give is to never carry a move with less than 100% accuracy

>>30839513
Solgaleo's stats are too good to ever drop down to OU. It's most popular set, Z-Splash, will destroy OU except for the very few mons that can counter 3 of its 5 viable attacks. It's move pool is complete ass though. Really needs move tutor to buff it up.
It's like how blaziken is too strong for OU but complete ass in Ubers.
>>30839538
Lunala's ability, good bulk, and access to roost allows it to tank hits from even supereffective attacks. And unlike Solgaleo, Lunala actually has a good move pool with wide coverage.

Is it even fucking possible to get a HA Grimer from Hauoli City? I've been SOS chaining these piles of shit for the past 4 HOURS and I haven't seen ONE with the ability

When they update pokebank and I transfer my Breeloom with Technician over, will it update itself so that base 60 moves benefit from technician, or would I have to remake my Breeloom over again in Alola for that to happen?

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What do you guys think?

>>30839709
Are you fucking retarded.

>>30839766
weavile is trash but I'm copying the rest.

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What do you think fits better on this team? Rhyperior or magnezone? I like the rocks that Rhyperior offers but my team is a little bit physical-heavy. Magnezone would be nice but it's a more helpless outside of trick room and it has practically no coverage moves.

>>30839811
Yeh I don't know what I wanna use to replace him. Maybe Top Lel but then I'm loaded with fairies.

>>30839862
Magearna. Amazing bulk and resistances coupled with special Moxie and fairy dracometeor makes it pretty amazing for Trick Room.
I'm also assuming this is a Trick Room team due to all the slow mons and 3 viable mons that can use Trick Room

>>30839766
>Bulky Sash Koko
I don't understand.

>>30839949
ur koko sucks ass too.
Literally can be set up on by anything with electric immunity.

>>30839959
Don't really feel like SR'ing for nature and IV's. If I had one I'd probably just swap reuniclus out for that.

>>30840022
You can synchronize and bottle cap it though.

Why are the offician Pokemon VGC 2v2? I think that's so lame. Why can';t they do a 1v1 and balance it out like Smogon does?

Okay, so apparently Smogon banned Sleeptrapping in Ubers because of a set they call Hypnogar.

What exactly is the set because I wanna try it out for myself in AG?

>>30840005
>>30839983
Its a pretty obscure moveset that i was toying around with. Mainly to see if i could fuck on mega gyarados with it.

>>30838632
Almost what I have except with hone claws instead of swords dance for that added accuracy.

>>30840043
Sounds like a Timid mega gengar with hypnosis and nasty plo/psych up/ double team some boosting move. +4 whatever and sweep

>>30840043
It's any M-Gengar with Hypnosis.

Probably Timid 252/252/4 with Hex + other shit

>>30840081
Hope you don't think you're being clever or something. +2 atk for free is much better than +1.

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How do you deal with Mega Gengar in battle spot?

>>30840279
you don't lol

>>30840043
It can't learn nasty plot.
>>30840189
Basically Hypnosis + Shadow Tag prevents switching out so opponent is stuck in with a dead mon. Chance for hypnosis to not hit in 2 turns is effectively less than 20%. Hex effectively has 130BP which deals around half to even bulky mons. Poison STAB take care of any normal mons (which is really just EK arceus) and Destiny Bond guarantees a second free kill. It's limiting any option that the opponent has and unhealthy for Uber.
However, it's also very gimmicky since you are relying on Hypnosis.
>>30840279
Any sufficiently fast and strong mon (with Scarf) or priority Suckerpunch (this may not work if opponent predicts correctly). Usually, M-gengar means you have to sag at least 2 to take down 1.

Good item for Xurkitree? I've been running with Expert Belt since he has such good coverage.

Also I assume Tail Glow is far too risky to bother using right? I can't imagine a pokemon that frail and with such mediocre speed forcing many switches unless it's tanky shit.

someone give me a generic voltturn team please
preferably with rotom-wash because i have a boner for it but if i can't use rotom-wash and tapu koko in the same team then just koko is fine

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>played my first Sun and Moon battle spot match tonight
>made a nip forfeit
This is gonna be a good title. Trick room stronk.

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So I had an idea

Crabominable@Choice Band
252Hp/252Atk/4Def
Ability: Iron Fist
Ice Hammer
Hammer Arm
Earthquake
Stone Edge

Basically, Darmanitan 2.0 with less speed and more STAB.

Thoughts?

Chandelure Timid

Shadow Ball
Fire Blast
Energy Ball
??? (Currently Taunt)

What should I have for my last slot? I feel like taunt's a waste because why would you try to set up on a sweeper

>>30840530
>Still training mons
>Still not confident enough to tackle Battle Spot
I'm scurred.

I need some bulky mons so badly but nothing sounds good aside from Top Lili and Toxapex.

>>30840584
Celesteela is boss.

>>30840584
Assault vest Golisopod has mad bulk

>>30840584
Try Celesteela, Marowak-A, Toxapex Core. Work your way from here.

>>30840578
Memento/Psychic/Dark Pulse

>>30840584
Porygon2 is nice

>>30838632
Don't have the exact calcs but that mimikyu can 2hko skarmory with never ending nightmare as 98% of the time as long as it took stealth rock damage prior. Dunno how useful that is though.

What are some good partners or cores to go with Mimikyu? I threw together a team for showdown but I'm positive its not entirely efficient.

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Threw this up together without much thought, just stuck in things that looked good. Haven't done any testing yet because I'm pretty sure this is awful, so rip into it and point out the flaws and stuff? I'm willing to change just about everything.

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rate my SM OU team

>>30838290
Psychic and eq are good for dealing with toxipex. They also don't make contact so you cant get poisoned from baneful bunker

>go into Battle of Alola expecting Lunala, Solgaleo, and Tapus everywhere
>have only seen one Lunala and one Tapu Koko the whole time
>built my team around checking threats I'm not seeing
O-Okay...

>>30840578
>>30840578

If you're running Scarf/Specs, Trick. Otherwise, some kind of Hidden Power like HP Ice or Ground or Substitute.

>>30841155
Change sitrus to Figy berry. Also, what's with that EV spread on Azumarill?
U-Turn is a waste on Mandibuzz. Whirlwind or Tailwind offers better support.
On scizor, better off with Bug Bite than Brutal swing unless you're trying to hit steel types or if this if pre-pokebank. They cover the same typings except for ghost but BB gets STAB.

Bonus points for that Arcanine. I run the exact same set and nicknamed it "Type-Null".

>>30841075
>>30841075

You definitely want some hazard control, something with rapid spin/defog. If this is post-bank, try trading Garchomp for Excadrill

>>30838662
I run a worse Pheremosa set on Buzzwole: Jolly with Focus Sash, and your set (but I swap Poison Jab for Ice Punch to hit Dragon/Flying). 252 Atk/252 Speed. Most people don't expect it and it can usually get the KO + Beast Boost. Try it as a gimmick.

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I see that Torkoal really dropped off in usage. As far as I see it, the full-team investment into trick room has proven to be less competitive than we originally thought.

However, is there any room for Torkoal on a semi-TR or non-TR team? Sun Eruption is still a strong attack and I feel like it has potential as a late game clean up.

This might be a dumb question, but what's the best way to level up a Pokemon quickly? I have a few Pokemon that I need to level up quite a bit before they learn the moves I want. I've just been fighting the high-level wild Pokemon on Poni, but is there a better way to gain levels?

Also, speaking of levels: if a Pokemon is under level 50 when it enters an online battle, will it be set to level 50, or does that only apply to Pokemon already at or over level 50?

>>30841160

Only retards run baneful bunker anyway

>>30841626
>I've just been fighting the high-level wild Pokemon on Poni, but is there a better way to gain levels?
Just go to the elite four. They are EV trained which leads to higher XP

>>30841626
Five Star Rare Kitchen

>>30841075

You missed a 2 on your garchomp's EVs

>>30841733
>grinding 1,500 FC just so you can grind 300 FC for meals

no thanks it's faster to just E4 repeatedly

>>30841478
Somehow I forgot about needing one.

>>30841737
Well I'm fucking stupid.

If i want to play a high damage blast-through-you type of team at VGC, which pokemon should be considered?

Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, possibly Pheromosa, Gyara, Garchomp, Xurkitree, Araquanid, what else?

>>30839044
Normally I'd agree, but with the power drop from Adamant to Jolly, I'm hesitant to drop ten base power.

>>30841475
>Change sitrus to Figy berry.
The fact that this is a legitimate suggestion is just amazing. Not that it's wrong, but that the game has changed so much that this is viable

So am I the only one who runs Specially Defensive Toxapex? Because honestly you don't need to invest in defense to tank shit sometimes, it's just that fucking bulky
>>30841626
Either E4 grinding or Battle Buffet explot

>>30842288
You'll more likely run into Earthquake and tank that than survive Thunderbolt from Topu kek or Psychic from Topu lel even at full investment. Besides, many commonly use pokemon right now are physical

Adamant or jolly for mega mence

>>30842364
That's true I guess. I just run it because I run Poison mono and I need a SpDef wall

>>30841770
legit question; how long does it take you to do E4 from 1 - 100?

>>30841475
what advantage does the figy berry have over the sitrus?

>>30842465
Heals twice as much but activates at 25% so the memer who told you to change it is just that; a memer. Leave it at sitrus berry. Only Gluttony pokemon should use Figy berry variants.

>>30842416
adamant

>>30842424
gonna guess 2-3 hours straight for only exp share

>>30842465
Heals 50% when below 25% with no confusion for Adamant nature. I thought it heals at 50% lol.
For the same purpose, Normalium Z also guarantees a belly drum.

>>30840543
One- iron fist does nothing for this set take hyper cutter
Two- it will die before it hits anything, but if by some miracle it lives it will flatten exactly one pokemon before dying

>>30840627
Seconding this. It just does not fucking die.

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>5/5 on my first night of battle spot
>including 3 nips

I find it funny that my careful marowak with no evs invested into atack still reaches base 394 attack

What are you guys running

>>30842556
Ice hammer and Hammer Arm count as fist attacks

>>30842648
Trick room: thick club obviously, rock head, flare blitz, EQ, shadow bone, and WoW. Shit is ridiculous.

>>30841684
>They are EV trained which leads to higher XP
Huh, I never knew EVs mean more experience. In that case, maybe I will try the Elite 4.

>>30842665
Oh, so they do. Still strong on point two, it does not have enough bulk or a good enough defensive typing to be so slow.

So what numbers should I be looking for to know a Pokemons role?
Like what stats are needed to be fast or Bukly?

>>30842717
Doesn't have to. Run Brave nature in Trick Room.

>>30842717
Yeah its a damn shame. Not him but I'll still try using it on a TR team at least

I'm pretty new to the meta but with the bravest bird nerf is there a single OU flying-type threat? I'm struggling to think of one besides mandibuzz, which is typically defensive. Maybe togekiss?

>>30840279
I used Scarf Hydreigon in gen6

>>30842779
Celesteela has air slash but I have never seen a single person use specially-based celesteela due to heavy slam being too good.
Aerodactyl and Pelipper are all you have to worry about.

>>30842779
Celesteela, M-Pinsir

>>30842779
M-zard Y, M-Pinsir, Rainy Birb, Rocket-chan (but it does not usually run Air Slash so...), and Flinchbot 2000

anyone running a hail team? what else are you running with? hows it working out?

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Any UU alpha players here? What do you guys use to beat Mega Zard Y?

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Can I get some suggestions for rounding out my team? Leaning towards special attacking but it doesn't need to be. Bonus points for non Legendary/UB.

>>30842962
Specially Defensive Rotom Heat kinda works against it and other meta mons.
Again I haven't played that much UU because it's currently gayer than the entire population of China holding a bucket of AIDS

>>30842966
You could sneak in something weak to fighting since you have good resistances to switch to. Maybe a porygon2 or Z depending on how offensive or defensive you want to go.
Maybe you could use a fire type though.

>>30842962
Gigalith and chandelure both shuts it down

>>30843067
Because of Z-Conversion my brain has completely forgotten that I can have Porygon as a normal type still. Thanks for reminding me, I am definitely going to go for that.

I just reached 1607 in Pokebank OU. It's not much, but considering I'm not that good and two of my Pokemon are using sets I created, I'm really satisfied

>>30843668
Team?

For battlespot/battletree I've been sweeping the hell out of it with Porygon-Z. Which ones do you guys like better, electric or ghost for conversion?

>>30840043
There was no definite set, it's just hypnosis + shadow tag.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sleeptrapping-in-sm-ubers-a-proposal.3587879/

>>30843702
Mega Metagross, Tapu Fini, Alola Marowak, Mimikyu, Zapdos and Zydoge

>>30843762
whaddya run on fini?

>>30843771
It's the classic Bold set with Surf, Moonblast, Nature Madness and Defog.
I tried to switch NM for Taunt, but it didn't work that well

So I got lucario right?
And I'm deciding whether to have bullet punch or extreme speed.
Extreme speed does more damage unless I mega evolve the they do the same iirc. I may just make two with one set having extreme speed and the other having bullet punch.

Also got my scizor. Bullet punch, swords dance, roost and...fury cutter?
Or bullet punch, swords dance, night slash. fury cutter?
Want opinions

>>30843067
>something weak to fighting
Togedemaru?

>>30843815
Put u turn on Scizor instead of fury cutter

Could I get some feedback or options for this? Running it in singles. Only change I've made so far is running Icy Stone on Ninetales.

http://pastebin.com/AFTp2k9s

Thanks, anons.

Who should I use to back up Kartana/Kyurem-B and what sets are best for them together? I was thinking Scarf and Icium-Z, put on Tapu Fini and/or Mantine and/or Greninja and then VoltTurn or something idk

>>30843843
Put Light Clay on A-Ninetales and Life Orb on A-Sandslash. You could replace Dragon Claw on Salamence with a better coverage move or Roost, the evs on Toxapex make no sense so I'm assuming it's a typo.
That Mimikyu set is garbage: it needs more speed and Shadow Sneak.
Overall it's not a bad team, but you are a bit too weak to Mega Metagross

>>30843970
>http://pastebin.com/AFTp2k9s
Wow, those were some serious typos. 252 HP on Toxapex, and 252 Spd on Mimikyu. Shadow Sneak over Shadow Claw, or Facade?

>>30843994
I'd put Shadow Sneak over Facade, so you can keep Shadow Claw for the Z-move

Hey guys I'm looking for some advice/feedback on my planned Pokebank OU team. Pic related is what I have so far. Mainly looking for a special wall and if I was open to changing any of those 5 Pokemon it would be Azumarill or Ferrothorn.

The only thing I don't want to use are legendaries/UBs (just cause dumb personal reason), if that's even viable in this meta.

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>>30844282
Duh here's pic.

>>30844294
Only megagross, should probably go Jolly to maximize the speed & outspeed sub 110 mons. Hammer Arm is redundant and only really hit other steel types. Better off with Ice Punch for coverage unless you really want to hit that Heatran.
Only Azumarill, Splash plate only add 1.2 multiplier on waterfall and Aqua Jet. Choice Band offers much more power and AV offers better longevity. Even LO give more power to your coverage.
Also, with that cloyster, It's lacking EVs and nature. And you'll have to find a stall or resist mon to set up on. No water move also hurts.
7.8/10 too much water

So.
Is Decidueye's HA any good? I'd breed myself a shiny one, but I don't know is i should wait for HA release first.

>>30844294
>>30844294
>Get rid of Azumarill.
>Plates should never be used on Pokemon that aren't Arceus.
>Don't run mixed Greninja. Go full Special.
>I would also consider dropping Cloyster, since it serves no purpose in your team synergy. You already have Ferrothorn and Greninja weak to Fighting. You have Metagross as a Phys. Attacker. You need a Special Wall, Lead, and something else to balance your weaknesses. If you're deadset on using Cloyster, use it as a Spikes Lead + Explosion.
>You also have a fairly large ground weakness.

>>30844390
Yes. It's good. Very good. Avoids Cursed Body, Iron Barbs, Rough Skin, Rocky Helmet, Baneful Bunker, etc.

>>30844434
So i guess i'll wait. do we have any info on planned release of Ha starters, or nothing yet?

>>30840543
Crabominable doesn't learn Hammer Arm.

>>30844452
they'll probably do something like with the Hoenn starters. Just waiting to shed tears.

>>30844424
This is mostly my old Gen6 team so there's gonna be some way out of date meta stuff. Just checked their builds on my DS before recreating them.

>Get rid of Azumarill.
Any replacement suggestions?

>Plates should never be used on Pokemon that aren't Arceus.
I thought plates were preferred, is there a specific reason not to?

>Don't run mixed Greninja. Go full Special.
Will do.

>I would also consider dropping Cloyster
I wanted Cloyster for the multi-hitting power, any similar Pokemon to replace it?

>You need a Special Wall, Lead
Any suggestions or a list of common pokemon that fill those roles?

>You also have a fairly large ground weakness.
When you say weakness do you mean nothing to resist it? Cause Metagross is the only one naturally weak to ground.

>>30844512
Not the same anon as >>30844424 but try chansey or togekiss as special walls. The steel and water heavy presence really limits the options you can use as special wall.
Lead-chomp or lando-T could help with the electric weakness, but I prefer Marowak-A (with Lightning Rod) for grass, water, fire core (though honestly, running Mantine as part of the core is better since it's a special tank and can run haze, defog for support but the team is water heavy unless you take both azu and cloy out).
Again, plate 1.2 multiplier on only 1 type is not worth the item slot. refer to >>30844381
for explaination as to why

Hydreigon and Mega Pinsir are probably my favorite mons right now and I want to run an online singles trio with them, but I can't decide on a good second

The former will be scarfed with Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power and U-Turn, the purpose of which is switching out against Fairy types
As such, I'm trying to decide on a good Fairy resist that also serves to soften the enemy up so M Pinsir can clean house

Suggestions?

is aegislash any good? i'm seeing mixed stuff online, most of it from X/Y

>>30844714
Aegislash is absolutely busted.

>>30844714
Too OP whoever uses it is a mindless retart with no battling skill tho

>>30840037
Because 1 vs 1 sucks you idiot

>>30840037
>40 minutes later

>>30844618
Oh sorry I missed your reply, was focused on replying the other other guy. Definitely aware of the wateriness of my choices (I like too many water 'mons rip).

>Metagross
Yeah I guess I'm gonna be breeding a new one. It's a labour of love.

>Special wall
Chansey sounds good.

>Electric weakness
I'm cool with A-Marowak. He scares off the Tapus too doesn't he?

So looking at something like M-Metagross, A-Marowak, Cloyster, Greninja, Ferrothorn and Mantine/Chansey.

Still very watery, I guess Cloyster might have to get the chop.

>tfw can't bring myself to use uniques
Suffering

>>30844697
pls

i'm new to anything teambuilding, what'd be wrong with this set
>mimikyu
>aegislash
>dragonite
mainly for battle tree

>>30845098
You've got an Uber, an OU and a dragon
You'll be more than fine

How does optimizing HP EVs for Substitute work?
You want to be able to make 4 substitutes, while having a small amount of HP left over, right?
Does the game round up, or round down for 25%?

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Impish
252 Hp
248 defense
8 special defense

Regenerator/merciless
Black sludge
Posion jab
Liquidation
Toxic spikes
Recover

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So I >>30844918 took the advice from earlier and changed things around. Seems much more well-rounded but I'm thinking Cloyster will have to go for a second special attacker?

Wishiwashi-School @ Leftovers
Ability: Schooling
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SpD /
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Aqua Ring
- Ice Beam
- Scald
- Surf

The idea is he's supposed to be a bulky fuck that doesn't die That can also PP stallIce beam is there to deal with grass types,but is shit otherwise.

Whats the better spread for scizor?
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
or
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

Top 100 Pokebank OU with an antimeta team that has obvious flaws and no answer to stall. I seriously didn't expect to get this far, but everyone is too reliant on Genesect, Koko and Landorus-T

>>30846843
>Scald
>Surf

For what fucking reason though?

>>30848287
For shits 'n giggles.Seriously though,scald is just a filler move because I could't think of anything else.

>>30838434

>tfw you havent been on the internet for 5 days+

Fucking filthy casual

>>30848329
Earthquake

>>30833112
Adamant.

Although Dragonite does fail to outspeed a lot of things without Jolly since this is VGC it also lacks power without Adamant especially with all the Intimidate and bulky stuff flying around.

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Whats a vgc check/counter to this turtle and oranguru?

Im thinking pelipper + ash greninja?

I have a vgc tourney today and might use this or be prepared for it at least.

>>30848739
wide guard? Oranguru doesn't get feint.

>>30847363
Just have both for different teams.

Use the bulky one with roost and av? Or leftover even. Adamant for mega stone

Generally the adamant is way better though.

I want to ask this in here too, I guess
>>30848631
>>30848631

>>30848739
Ash Greninja isn't VGC legal.

And the list of counters is fairly large, anything with Wide Guard is a basic one. Any other weather changer Pelipper and Gigalith being the main ones. Araquanid and Marowak and Goodra are solid checks.

>>30848772
av? Also, do you think that I should sacrifice the speed stat for 200 in spdef?

>>30843751
Currently favoring electric for both formats. With battle tree do you happen to lead with Porygon-Z? I'm thinking of trying it out.

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I really need some help guys. I like this team for 6v6 battles, but it's pretty much dead weight for 3v3. What suggestions do any of you have for 3v3?

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Close Combat or Power-Up Punch for my Crabrawler?

>>30848824
>>30848824

Cap it and use the time doing something else, anon. I doubt GameFreak will eliminate Hyper Training entirely in future gens, or at least in the sense that Hyper Trained mons will become un-hyper trained

>>30849432
Turns out I fucked up and it's Def is 8 or 9.
Bummer. Still a keeper?

>>30849355
Close Combat, just go balls in deep.

Crabrawler has no place boosting not when it can run Hyper Cutter to ignore attack drops, is one of the slowest shit in the game and nor when it can't even survive dying from being hit by a wet paper towel anyway.

>>30841599
Non Trick room av torkaol running, lava plume, earth power, clear smog, and rapid spin can be great team support especially with his new ability.

>>30842648
Marowak, sassy
Belly drum, protect, flare blitz, shadow bone

Along side

Comfey, relaxed
Floral healing, protect, synthesis, taunt/draining kiss

>>30849990
Trick room on comfey

>>30833112
Run Aqua Tail. You don't need Roost once you get DD up.

>>30842788
Used scarf hydreigon in gen 6 6v6, so good. No one is prepared for dark pulse or Dragon Pulse spam. Add u- turn for a pivot and the coverage of your choice. Great teammate for mega beedrill.

>>30850071
Wrong, the set she should be running for vgc is protect, roost, hurricane, dragon pulse/claw

>>30849600
Just cap it

>>30850399
I was thinking of something else

twitch.tv pokemonvgc
Foulmouth is playing

What nature should I get for the Frog of Jobbing?

I genuinely have no idea how to make a good team and I do not know where to begin. Ive just been ev training megas and Tapus and a Smogonsword.

>>30851760
Is that Meminja? Timid

>>30851848
Youre on a good path! Watch VGC games (go to PokemonVGC on twitch, theres a tournament right now) and see what do pros do, what the biggest threats are, how do they work them out, and how do the others react

Guys how do I actually participate in VGC? Like, how does one know what tournaments to go to etc? Do I need to do anything on my console or is it all just paying to go to these tournaments?

Does TPC pay for participants to travel and stay so they can attend tournaments?

Wanted a Pelipper/Ash-Ninja Core.

Gave it Lando for Rocks + physical setup mons + Knock Off + EQ for Topu Keko/Xurkitree, added a Mega Meta since he checks so many things and with Rain his most common weakness is nullified, added a Scarfed Genesect since he could scout and again might survive shit due to rain

So it's Lefties Pelipper (Who does surprisingly well against walls), Specs Ash-Ninja, Lando-T, Mega Meta and Scarfed Genesect. What would be a decent final mon? Since AG outspeeds so many things, could a Tapu Lele work? She's formidable on her own and helps against bulky waters with Specs Tbolt.

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I've been trying to figure out how to train my Bewear. I was planning to max out its Attack and HP EVs, but I've seen multiple people suggest a very specific EV spread involving 164 speed EVs in order to "outspeed uninvested base 80 Pokemon".
I'm not very knowledgeable about speed tiers, but are "uninvested base 80 Pokemon" really common enough to require such an EV spread? I feel like it'd be better to dump it all into Attack and HP instead of putting a very precise amount into Speed just to counter a specific speed tier of Pokemon. Would that be a good idea or not?

So, lemme drop an idea here, if this thread is still alive.

I've been playing around with the idea of a Speed Swap Pheromasa for VGC. Problem is, I dont know what exactly would pair well with it as it really feels like it needs a Sash just to function. (Which other things could possibly use better.)

Any ideas? Or is this a lost cause?

>>30853039
Second this, i have a good one I want to train. I feel 252 hp is a must.

>>30843843
>http://pastebin.com/AFTp2k9s
I've been making a very similar team, but I was thinking of scrapping it after not being able to figure out what to put in 6th where you put Tsareena. Have you tested the team at all?

>>30853146
why wouldn't you just use tailwind?

I'm not into competitive Pokemon, and I always laugh at Smogon's "ban everything" mentality but maybe they aren't so bad. Some people love to play with the RNG in this game
I found this dude with a Moody Spore/Sheer Cold Smeargle, and ParaFlinch Blissey. If Thunder Wave still had 100% accuracy, I would've lost. I was about to surrender when I saw the RNG bullshit was on full force, but luck was on my side
ZM9W-WWWW-WWW3-4B4A

>>30853039
It really depends on how you plan on using Bewear on your team. Max HP is fine if you're just aiming to tank a multitude of hits.
Now, look up Pokemon who have a base Spe of 80. Would you rather sacrifice bulk to outspeed and KO those Pokemon?
And yes, depending on the Pokemon, it's pretty common to not invest in Spe if its <100, especially if it has more desirable stats.

>>30846843
If stalling/survivablity is really your objective, you should replace Surf with Protect.

>people are still using Sitrus Berry and not the buffed Wiki Berry and friends.

>>30853803
This
I keep forgetting which berry confuses what nature anyone have a handy trick to memorize or link cuz I keep googling and it takes me a while to get my answer
Yes i am that stupid

>>30853803

Because you need to be under 25% HP unless you have gluttony for it to activate.

>>30842962

Cloud Nine Drampa

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Thinking of using my Mimikyu with either Red Card or Focus Sash. Which one of those is better? I'm using Life Orb on it for now while I grind for BP.

Also I see a lot of people running it with Shadow Claw. How is it better then Leech Life?

>>30854195

Leech Life is usually not worth it without STAB.

>>30848329
Surf IS the filler move though...

>>30854195
shadow claw has STAB and hits all the tapu lele/a-marowak running around

>>30854315
>>30854195
Shadow claw also makes never ending nightmare much stronger and allows you to take down celesteelas

>>30853692
Some Smogon metas are garbage and a few choices are obviously bias but I prefer it to the homogeneous mess of VGC and the absolute BULLSHIT of Battlespot.

>>30853692

Smogon wouldn't have to ban everything if Gamefreak could actually balance their games. Before Gen 5, most things were seldom banned but now everything has to be banned because Gamefreak only cares about the Doubles Meta.

I really want to use a Pyukumuku competitively. What Niche could it fill? Curse passer? Screen setup? It could pass z purify...

>>30855520
unaware can wall a good bunch of shit. z-purify pass is also hilarious if you aren't playing on showdown

So many movesets for A-Muk, but what's the best?

Speaking of Smogon, where do you think Jirachi will go this gen? Z-Happy Hour makes it really hard to deal with.

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Can anyone give me suggestions on my Pokebank OU team?

>>30856833
Did you try killing yourself yet

>>30856833
I get the joke that you have a hyper stall, but maybe a combat oriented Celesteela for late game cleanup duty would be helpful

>>30856274
Is bp banned on showdown?

>>30857139
Papa Smogon says you can't pass more than one stat boost at a time.

What's the best Silvally set? I'm trying a special set since it has a better movepool but it feels less reliable than physical swords dance

>>30857347
I thought the clause meant no bp chains. So you couldnt do SB + SD Ninjask anymore?

>>30857471
BoltBeamThrower is quite reliable. I wish np was a tm.

>>30857506
do you think you're fucking funny you little prick

>>30857481
>I thought the clause meant no bp chains
That too. You're only allowed to have one BP user per team.
And no, no SB + SD Ninjask.

>>30857663
I do not understand.

Why is nobody talking about QR Rental Teams? If it became popular it would end both breeding and injecting with a generator/tool... So why does nobody talk about it, or post QR anywhere?

>Battle of Alola
>An opposing trainer couldn't be found. Please try again later
Why, is nobody playing right now ?

>>30858244
Feature not available yet

>>30858286
How so? Didnt it launch when PGL did? Is there any date?

>>30858320
sometimes in january

>>30858640
or maybe even later

from the PGL:
>Rental Teams
>An exciting new feature is coming to the Pokémon Global Link soon—you'll be able to battle with teams borrowed from other players. The Rental Team feature lets you try out teams and strategies that would ordinarily take a long time to put together. Or maybe you want to help a friend battle against a variety of teams. Rental Teams make it easy to train and prepare like never before! But when it comes time for a real competition, you'll have to put together your own team—Rental Teams won't be allowed in formal tournaments. Look forward to Rental Teams coming to the Pokémon Global Link early next year.