This is a fire-type elite four member.
>>30832816
There are two Fire types in Sinnoh.
The Sinnoh games were trash.
>>30832816
>Wah I can't sweep his entire team with a Ground type
lol
>>30832847
inb4 muh music tho
Fixed in platinum at least
But who the fuck thought "Let's have a fire type elite four member" when there were only 2 available fire types including the starter to work with.
>>30832847
You're trash.
Gen IV best gen.
Sinnoh best region.
Platinum best game.
>>30832816
well he is using the only two fire types available in diamond/pearl
That's because in Sinnoh, if you wanted a fire type, you either picked Chimchar, caught Ponyta, or traded for a past gen fire type on GTS.
>>30832877
>>30832816
I get why drifblim is there, the whole hot air balloon thing but wtf do a rabit and a giant steel snake have to do with fire?
>>30832816
What is funny is that when the Sinnoh dex gets more Fire types in Platinum, Flint becomes even easier.
>>30832877
kill yourself, sinnohfetus tranny
>>30832897
IRON FORGE
and
Sexy Hot Bunny
Good. Monoshit gyms and E4 are the worst thing about the games. Give them more interesting themes and vary the typing so you can't steamroll an entire leader with a single pokemon using a SE move.
>>30832877
Hi there!
>>30832816
>Flame Horse
>Iron Forged Onix
>Hot Air Balloon
>Sexy Hot Bunny Waifu
>FIRE MONKEY
They fit the theme of Fire
>>30832816
I like it, I've always tought Gyms and the E4 would be way more varied and interesting if they'd focus around themes rather than types.
>>30832877
>Platinum best game.
he's right on this one
This is a electric type gym leader.
>>30832910
Exactly. Before my gastrodon had a hard time doing much against his team in Diamond, but in Platinum I ran gastrodon again and he sweeped Flint. I was both happy that he stuck to his type, but sad that by doing that they fucking cucked him.
>>30832894
>>30832914
>>30832968
I bet you guys loved shitty Gen V.
>>30832995
They really should just go back to having dual-type e4 members.
>>30832979
Nope, still wrong.
>>30833018
Alolamola
>>30833026
nope, don't let hatred of tripfags blind you from the wonders of platinum
>30833018
>Not liking BW2
holy shit
fucking awful tastes my man
>>30832816
>>30832885
>>30832874
>>30832985
Can't wait for the remakes. Top kek.
>>30833041
>the wonders of platinum
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>30832985
Imagine if the AI was actually smart enough to Baton Pass properly
That Octopus is literally designed to facefuck anyone trying to just do the standard "bring ground types to electric Gym strategy"
Giving it a Nasty Plot and Agility Boost would make it the stuff of nightmares
>>30833023
What gen did they do dual type E4 members? None of them are specifically dual type.
this is an elite four member
>>30833018
>>30833088
Right? I had no idea that he would have a water type and my gastrodon got her ass handed to her when he brought it out. Pretty sure the intention was to fuck up anyone using gastrodon specifically.
Sinnoh game (especailly Diamond and Pearl) is probably most unpredictable than other games.
>>30833023
An anon from ages ago mentioned the idea of having environment themed gyms. So like a swamp gym would have like Vileplume, Quagsire, Yanmega, etc. I thought it was neat and forces newcomers to have some variety rather than doing a simple "catch Water-type right before the Fire gym" routine.
>>30833095
Technically Gen 1?
Ice/Water- Lorelei
Rock/Fighting- Bruno
Ghost/Poison- Agatha
Dragon/Flying- Lance
>>30833121
Still dont fucking understand those Grass Knots. Like, why? The fuck are they for? Most bulky ground types youre better off just using a fighting move. I get the intention was coverage, but that doesnt give them worthy coverage over anything.
>>30833149
BW had no effort put in after Clay's gym,
>>30833121
>Did Black Monotype run using Dark Types
>Had to cheese Mienshao with Eviolite Roost Vulbaby
Fun Times
>>30833095
Well, all of the leagues (barring Hoenn's) up until Gen 5 had at least three members who carried one or more pokemon that didn't share a typing with their specialty.
In particular, though, Kanto was the only region where all of the e4's pokemon were connected by two common types;
>Lorelei: Ice/Water
>Agatha: Ghost/Poison
>Bruno: Fighting/Rock
>Lance: Dragon/Flying
Of course, this was done out of limitations rather than choice, but I still think it'd be cool to bring it back.
>>30833173
i did a black monotype with dark types too and marshal still posed little threat
>>30833147
They were made to be single type, but they simply had to fill in the gaps due to a limited pool (only 3 ghost and dragon pokemon and they were from the same line) of pokemon to choose from. Their intentions were not to have the original E4 be dual typed, it was really just sheer coincidence.
early game shitmons for an elite four member
>>30833221
It's nothing new.
Is that even a fire type trainer?
>>30833173
>>30833202
How did you survive 2 Gyms with the Frail Ass Purrloin/Liepard just to get to a Gym that is strong against you when you get to add more team members?
>>30833221
It would have been nice had they introduced quiver dance earlier so they could have Beautifly use it, because that would be an interesting fight (if it didnt get one shotted in the process). But honestly i felt it could have been better had the AI just been programmed to be harder for Aaron. Make dustox start out toxicing, then double team and light screen. Most of the time I found myself getting hit with nothing but bug buzzes if I didnt outspeed it and one shot it.
>>30833018
It's past your bedtime, Jimbo
>>30833279
He didn't
>>30833259
>only one
DP is the fourth generation and thus had more options to choose from, no excuse.
>>30833121
post game BW1 and post game challenge mode BW2 should fix him right up
:^)
>>30833221
>>30833259
Gen 2 and 4 had the worst teams.
>>30833259
>that muk
TRIGGERED
His Tyranitar fucked me up I won't lie.
>>30833279
Exactly this. I tried to use Purrloin once and the thing died to pretty much every attack. And its power was just so lacking that even though I always hit first in the end I never actually did any real damage with it.
>>30833339
>post game challenge mode BW2 should fix him right up
Yeah, that Conkeldurr is crazy.
>>30833347
You really just have to hope for a Good Attack and Speed Stat and cheese it with Dire Hits and Fake Out
>>30833289
Having a Bug type E4 with only two Fire types in the game was actually a genius move because unless you chose Chimchar or for whatever reason really love Rapidash, your only other option is to rock him to death with shitty ass low accuracy moves, making the fight more challenging than it probably should have been.
>>30833378
>regular one has Guts
>Challenge Mode doesn't
MASUDA!!!!!!
>>30833221
>>30833343
>three Psychic moves for Alakazam
>Exeggutor has no coverage moves
>Gyarados has two attacks that have low accuracy
I don't know but weren't there better movesets possible for this battle?
>>30833378
Marshal is the only member of the Unova Elite Four that I dislike fighting because I cannot usually outright kill Sawk and Conkeldurr. That all changed when I trained a Haxorus in the postgame though.
>>30833378
GF need to bring back challenge mode and make it available from the start.
>>30833428
>champion is over 10 levels under an elite four member
what
>>30833412
Alakazam's only real coverage in FRLG ingame was Shock Wave and it wasn't that powerful. Exeggutor was usually used as a Solarbeam spammer with Sunny Day (that's how I used him at least.) Gyarados needed Hydro Pump because of it's low Sp. Atk and Surf wasn't going to be killing Fire/Ground/Rock types any time soon.
>>30833378
>>30833408
>trusting bulbapedia
Every other source says it has guts, and they've got the wrong abilities listed for half of Barry's battles in Platinum too.
>>30833455
THe other is a rematch
>>30833428
>focus sash
I have to admit, it caught me off guard and almost demolished my team when it set up
>>30833378
>conkeldurr holding flame orb
for what purpose
>>30833473
That's because Haxorus was OP in Gen 5 and that generation was the breaking point in power creep before GF realized they needed to nerf them with Fairies. Seriously, Unova had a very huge boner for Dragon-types.
>>30833412
The Alakazam is fine because Reflect is annoying and Calm Mind has the potential for Psychic to really fuck you up. The true tragedy is Shadow Ball but I don't think they wanted him to use egg moves (elemental punches)
Exeggutor HAD no coverage moves besides Sludge Bomb back then.
The Gyarados is fine, all it really needs is DD and EQ.
>>30833462
Oh right, forgot physical/special wasn't split back then yet.
>>30833481
Guts.
Bulbapedo fucked up
>>30833410
>No Baton Pass for Yanmega
>No Technician or Sword Dance for Scizor
Why did Giovanni lose his Rhydon in FRLG?
>>30833466
That's only the first time
>>30833571
I don't know. Maybe it's because your Rival uses it for the Champion Battle. That's still not a good reason because the player would've faced Sabrina's Alakazam already.
>>30833455
this is the first time
>>30833544
Prove it.
>inb4 unofficial source as proof
>>30833571
I clearly remember him using a Rhyhorn in Blue as well.
>>30832877
Platinum just automatically became shit because you endorse it
>>30833428
I'd love for them to bring back E4 members holding items again (besides mega stones/Z crystals/Sitrus Berries)
Elite Four members are so fucking forgettable
>>30833627
this also means that gen 5 is automatically the best region because he hates it
checkmate
>>30833625
He used both, Rhyhorn was his first Pokémon he sent out and Rhydon his ace. In FRLG they changed it to two Rhyhorns for some unknown reason.
Same with Clair, she loses one Dragonair in HGSS compared to GSC.
>>30833637
i'm glad they spent time doing character development for the elite 4 this gen
except for kahili, literally who
>>30832816
>replace Flint's Lopunny with Salazzle
>replace his Drifblim with Chandelure
>replace snowy Mt. Coronet with an active volcano, have Heatran catchable earlier in the game
There, I've just fixed Sinnoh's lousy Fire distribution.
>>30833637
of course everyone has forgotten flint or Bruno
>>30833678
She's at least mentioned if you took the time to talk to NPC's but even then, I forgot who she was by the time I got to her.
>>30833455
>what is postgame?
>>30833691
>replace Flint's Lopunny with Salazzle
ew
>replace his Drifblim with Chandelure
ewwwwwwww
never work for gamefreak, thanks
>>30833678
Well, the latest Elite 4 are just recycled characters with one exception, which is kinda cheating.
>>30833691
>bringing non-Sinnoh pokemon in
>changing Mt. Coronet completely
At that point you might as well just create a new region.
>>30833725
>waifumon for waifumon
>Ghost for Ghost
I fail to see the problem
>>30833737
that's a good thing though. who wants a bunch of literally whos that you have no connection to
>>30833705
>tfw she has pokemon literally Red level
>>30833751
>having a bald ugly smelly bitch as a waifu
ew
>>30833743
If you keep everything the same, you might as well play the originals, which still work on a 3DS.
And Sinnoh's Fire distribution is trash. It needs an overhaul in the remakes, no ifs or buts.
>>30833743
>>30833725
>what is a remake?
>>30833705
Man I gotta play Black 2 sometime
>tfw got White version
>>30833743
>At that point you might as well just create a new region.
Fine, Sinnoh is trash anyway.
>>30833776
>lizard
>bald
The fuck are you on
>>30833756
Me.
Reusing bosses is boring as hell.
Kahili was a nice surprise after being bored to death with fat man, ebony goddess and that ugly little girl.
>>30833577
>>30833614
Go test it with Trace. Unless you can understand trainer data in hex there's no point in me posting the actual code.
>>30833756
Ehh, I guess. I feel like they could have done it better. Like this guy said:>>30833797 reusing bosses is kinda lame.
>>30833789
Even remakes don't have that kind of massive overhaul.
>>30833778
>And Sinnoh's Fire distribution is trash. It needs an overhaul in the remakes, no ifs or buts.
They will use the Platinum dex with Sylveon added in because Eevee was already in the Platinum Dex but I don't think they will update the Dex with new Pokémon.
Of course, rematch teams are free game.
>>30832816
Holy shit is this legit? I haven't played Pearl in years, but I can assure you that Platinum isn't like this.
>>30832877
>Not him
>Wrong
>Wrong
>This would be right if Emerald didn't exist
>>30833791
what do you mean? you can easily get challenge mode if you have a friend--oh i see the problem.
>>30833891
>emerald
>best game
>with that shitty elite 4 and champion
lmao
>>30833835
>Hoenn remakes had half of the elite four members mons replaced by other region mons, at least, in the rematches
Yeah sure
>>30833837
>7/10 not enough fire
I'd rather have a mix of new mons to catch than have to put up with the very same complaints I had with Diamond and Pearl 10 years ago.
>>30833840
Yep, DP was actually that bad. Platinum fixed more shit than any other rehash game.
>>30833840
Yeah. When designing first games in a generation, GF gives out free cocaine and booze to all the developers when they clock in at work and tells them to forget any interesting features that happened in the last gen.
When designing third versions and remakes, they fire everyone and hire a million monkeys and test the Infinite Monkey Theorem. Turns out it works.
>>30833916
>in the rematches
>the postgame
>like every other remake's postgame
youuuuuuu're retarded
>>30833911
You mean GOAT E4? Okay Wallace kind of sucks but that doesn't trash the whole game. It's still better than Platinum.
BW2>HGSS>The rest
What went wrong?
>>30833916
yeah, in the rematches when you have the national dex
that's nothing new
>>30833018
>Not loving every gen
What's wrong with you
>/vp/ wants the games to be hard
>doesn't like when E4 members have varied teams instead of just 1 type that you can sweep
>>30833958
>glacia uses 2 sealeo, 2 hockey masks, and a bigger sealeo
>sydney uses slow frail and frail shitmons
>phoebe uses pokemon with terrible offenses
Drake was the only decent one, and uses a Shelgon.
Platinum did it much better.
>>30833930
Platinum at least added Magmortar, Flareon and Houndoom but that's as much as you get in the remakes. They didn't make a whole new regional dex for the first three remakes so I don't see why they suddenly would now.
>>30833997
>implying the D/P E4 was hard
>>30833997
Having three off-type shitmons doesn't stop Flynt from being swept by surf or earthquake spam
>>30833997
Flint is still a joke with his Lopunny and Drifblim. Should have gotten a grass sunny day sweeper instead.
>>30833982
I tried so hard to like the Gen 5 games, but it's just so ugly.
The ugly overworld, ugly user interface, moving sprites, meh music and ugly colors I mean.
At least it gave us great Pokemon.
>>30834057
>>30834040
>>30834072
It's still a good concept. E4 members with varied teams would be more difficult than DUDE JUST LEAD WITH A WATER TYPE AND SWEEP LMAO
>>30834057
>swept by surf or earthquake spam
>uses Sunny Day
>has a balloon
What the fuck are you talking about.
>>30834020
See >>30833545
Meh
>>30834057
well at the very least it was a great concept with shit execution
this >>30833088 would be a great example of it working properly (but it didn't)
>>30834108
It's still a lot better than Sydney's team though, so I don't see your point.
>>30834093
They weren't following that concept evident by the remade teams in platinum. They just had no fire type mons left to use.
>>30834075
>meh music
you must be on crack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2GeWOMgxiE&t=132s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf6thPK_IUQ
>>30834075
>meh music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvuNo02q0mY&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_2u6EDx6c&t=205s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMK1evpnYGo&t=75s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCkmgssjhvo&t=24s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn0Fe3FKbco&t=15s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqQmxy-M40k&t=2s
>literally all of B/W2's OST
TAKE IT BACK RIGHT NOWWWW!!!
>>30834170
Yes they changed it in platinum because a bunch of people like you complained.
So now we're getting easy type themed E4 members for now on. Thanks.
>>30834075
>The ugly overworld, ugly user interface, moving sprites, meh music and ugly colors
You just desribed DPP.
>>30834075
>ugly user interface
gen 5 had the single best interface design in the whole series
these are the only games that really tried to avoid having menus that look like fisher price toys
Why are unovabortions so defensive?
Out of all gens, they get the most asshurt when you criticize their gen.
>>30834208
>DPP had moving sprites
>>30834190
They were always type themed.
>>30834227
(you)
>>30834075
But anon, DP looked so boring to me. Even HG/SS looked better than it and that's a remake
And desu I hated the static sprites pre Gen V, now if a game had the interface of gen IV with the moving sprites of Gen V it be GOAT tier in my opinion.
>>30833139
Interestingly, some of the totem Pokémon kind of did this, calling allies that weren't necessarily the same type, but were appropriate to the environment.
>>30834177
N's theme, Driftveil City, the Elite 4 theme and Elesa's gym themes are the only themes I liked desu.
>>30834107
So it takes more surfs than usual to KO everything, that doesn't even matter if he doesn't have anything that can actually beat a good water type. Earthquake still beats 4/5.
>>30834115
Agreed. Something with Chlorophyll on Flynt's team would have covered his weaknesses nicely and worked well with sunny day.
>>30834256
>there were always gyms
>>30832816
Sinnoh only had a few fire types, so they made due with what was available.
The result is a team based around the theme of heat, and not just a type. Major characters being mono-type is seriously fucking retarded, so I don't understand why people have a problem with this.
See >>30832850
>>30834213
Pixel thin white text on a dark background is disgusting, please get some taste before you ever make another post.
>>30832885
So ponyta is importante in sinnoh, mega rápidas soon
>>30834227
I literally don't even see these Unovafags that people claim exist, instead, every thread is shit up by antiunovafags who mentions Gen 5 for no apparent reason when no one has said anything about Gen 5.
>>30834276
The other E4 members in DP manage to have more than just two mons of their respective types.
>>30834227
Hoennbaby here, im pretty sure its the genwunners who get the most butthurt if anyone says anything about the "perfect pokemon game".
>>30834322
Yes, no one is denying that it was just a one-off concept.
>>30834227
Why are people so defensive of Platinum?
Never really understood this complaint. Having every Pokemon being the same type makes it easier. The lack of monotype teams is the only thing I like more about D/P than Platinum
>>30834227
>currently they're the gen that gets shit on the most
>people who were 10 when gen V came out are ~16 now (the most insecure age)
>people who were engrossed in stories tend to be extremely defensive about said stories
This is coming from someone who likes gen V
>>30834321
>>30834265
>>30834347
>>30834323
just watch
>>30834243
Did you even play DPP?
>>30834185
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FPz7yklWrA
you forgot the best song, this gets me hyped every time
>>30834363
gen 5 does deserve to be shit on though
>>30834379
too cheery, ruins the hype because it's telling you the battle is already over
>>30834396
considering it almost killed the series, I agree
thank god for the gen 1 pandering during gen 6
>>30834368
They move the same way as Emerald though. Not the same as constantly moving sprites in Gen 5. (Not him, I think they both looked like shit)
>>30834396
It has its flaws like any other gen. Pokemon is 2 generations ahead of gen V anyway, I don't understand constant circlejerking (in love or hate) of something that's 6 years old and outdated.
>>30832816
>Gardenia gets Decidueye
>Flint gets Incineroar.
Primarina gets the shaft.
>>30834431
It's a meme
>>30834450
No room for shit designs on Gardenia's team.
>>30834450
Crasher Wake's shaft, that is.
>>30834417
How, exactly, did it almost kill the series?
>>30834355
The complaint is less about the team itself, but how they claim to be trainers of a "specific type". Flint claims to be a fire E4 member, yet 2 of 4 of his pokemon are not fire typed at all. People would be fine if they were just "trainers" but the title is specified to a type which he himself doesnt follow.
>>30834472
Crasher Wake's shaft belongs to me.
>>30834548
too bad it belongs to Primarina (male) now
>>30833974
I would tell you but I'm currently saving alot of data
>>30834520
That's pretty autistic. Could be that just fire is his favorite type which is why he has more than one and all of his Pokemon have fire moves. I don't remember his exact dialogue but I don't think he ever claimed he only uses fire types.
>>30834563
Primarina (male) is just a fat version of me though.
>>30833756
I do unironically. I want the Elite Four to feel elite, I don't want to fight my best friend's grandpa again.
>>30834595
>You're facing a Fire-type Pokémon user with me. Let Flint see how hot your spirit burns!"
Exact words he says when you face him at the E4.
>>30833974
Too slow and lack of fire types (which I personally don't give a shit about). It was fine otherwise, but the slowness really brings it down. Still liked it more than Ruby/Sapphire though.
>>30834628
What I said still applies, then.
>>30834639
I hope whoever said "hmm lets make the Surf speed really slow haha yeah the players won't hate us on this one!" got fired so hard he broke the sound barrier.
>>30832985
>charge beam on luxray
>>30834701
The engine was fucked up in general, and this is coming from someone who likes Gen IV. Platinum and HG/SS fixed the speed but they were still slower than most games. I don't know why Game Freak has such problems with optimization (see also Gen VI and VII).
>>30834639
I feel that Gen 4 has been redeemed somewhat now that the series in 3D.
Going back to -any- game before Gen 6 sucks now, slow or not.
>>30834190
are you a literal retard
he's not saying that they had off-type pokemon for Flint's team to mix things up, he's saying that there was fuck all in the way of fire types until Platinum so they had no choice but to half ass his team
>>30834765
yes and they changed it in platinum because people like you complained enough
>>30834366
>purposefully making a thread trashing Gen 5 and then asking people to defend it proves that unovabortions are defensive
wew lad
>>30833705
That's a spooky fucking team. Jesus, I need to replay BW2.
>>30834827
>having more than two choices for fire types is a bad thing
What the fuck are you on about?
>>30834827
It has nothing to do with complaints you idiot. There were LITERALLY only two complete lines of Fire type Pokemon in Diamond and Pearl you idiot
>>30834761
I don't agree but I kind of see what you mean. Going back to Gen VI's PS1 chibi models is hard after playing Gen VII.
>>30834682
Not really? I mean he claimed to be a fire trainer. I agree that its stupid for someone to get mad at his team, but its a videogame and people love to get mad over them.
>>30834929
He just said he's a "fire-type user". That doesn't imply what percentage of his team consists of fire-types. I see your point, though.
>>30832816
At least they had fire-type moves.
>>30834190
Ooooooh, I remember you. You started that thread a couple of weeks ago about how this clown-haired faggot had a brilliant team because the theme was "hotness" (counting lopunny because waifu, drifblim because it's a hot air balloon, and steelix because fuck you) and got super triggered when only like 1 other person agreed. Good to see you're still around.
>>30833976
Who says they can't make a change for once. Also, did Glacia had Froslass on her team before the post game?
>>30832816
didn't they all use fire moves?
anyways, I don't think it's too bad, gives the game a little more variety rather than "I'm a ___ trainer and I only use ____ pokemon"
>>30835072
Someone else pointed that out earlier.
It's been pointed out on /vp/ for years.
How fucking new are you?
>>30835072
steelix is because
1. takes heat to create steel
or
2. "flint"
either or, you have to be stupid or in full on denial to think Flint's team wasn't based on heat
>>30832829
>>30832847
>>30832850
>>30832856
>>30832885
>>30832914
>>30832985
>people who haven't played platinum
>>30832985
>>30832816
There's literally nothing wrong with this. In fact, I prefer it.
They should make it more challenging though. Fire type gym leaders/E4 members should carry an electric or grass type to fuck up water sweepers. Water type gym leaders/E4 members should carry a ground or rock type to fuck up fire and electric sweepers and so on.
You faggots want the games to be more challenging? Embrace the idea of mixed teams. Type themed trainers are fucking pushovers.
>>30835425
I tried, the earlygame is no different until the fighting gym city.
>>30835311
Yeah, but it happened again pretty recently and it was pretty funny. Just stood out in my head.
>>30835345
Yup, exact same anon.
>>30835612
Huh I guess nu/vp/ doesn't see the theme. It was pretty commonly accepted back in the day.
Ghost and Dragon experts
>>30835666
I wonder why, Satan.
Maybe gen 1 didnt have that many Dragons and ghosts to choose from?
>>30835566
That's completely wrong though
>fixed level curve
>Fantina
>Rotom
>Wayward Cave
>better colour scheme in Mt. Coronet
I'm sure there are more changes but I haven't touched DP since before Plat was released
>>30835696
That's Gen 2 lance
>>30835726
Kingdra was already Clair's ace, they couldn't use it.
>>30835726
Gen 2 only added Kingdra. That's still only 2 dragon type pokemon to work with for the Dragon Master
>>30835793
Karen has Morty's
how can a pokemon team's type composition cause so much anger
>>30833221
>early game shitmons
this souldn't even be a thing desu, tried using an ariados in a recent playthrough of hg and it was absolutely pathetic, i have no idea why they include pokemon like that, it's not even like it gets the benefits of evolving early, level 20 is after 3rd gym, it gets shit moves and is a chore to level up