This is the peak of the series, right? What went so right?

It was gen 4.

>>30813872
Start of the "golden age" of games

Faster engine/not terrible online/most challenging in game without bullshit

Nice sense of exploration+physical special split

And a smaller BF, but less bullshit places

Deserves top 3 recognition

It was the Peak of the series, but I think Sun and Moon came pretty close, on BW tier at least which is already close to platinum tier.

>>30813872
you being born in 2000

>>30814057
Ha. I was born in 1993 bud. Pokemon red was the game that popped my poke cherry.

>>30814141
>>1993
garbage

>>30814227
Wat

I never even played anything from gens 4-5, but I can say 5 was the one with the best pokemon IMO.

>>30813872
>

>>30813872
Gen 4 overall was the peak.

Sun and Moon were excellent too, but they felt a little too inconsistent throughout the game, battle/difficulty wise.

They're my second favorites right behind Platinum though.

HGSS are kinda overrated desu.

I thought people here liked gen5 (B/W) the best.

I definitely liked those pokemon the most

>>30814057
From what I've seen, most people who liked Gen 4 are old Pokemon fans who fell out of the series during Gen 3. While Gen 3 was more popular among people who grew up with it as one of their first Pokemon games.

>>30814619
It used to be that way, but now that the Zelda cycle is taking effect, a decent amount of people are now shitting on Gen 5 too.

>>30813872
The peak of the series is Emerald and B2W2. Gen 4 had a huge issue with slowness and how utterly shit Sinnoh is as a region. Thankfully HGSS was there to fix DPPt's cancer.

>>30813872
>Gen 4
Babbies first pokeymen game

No, it had some of the most worse, ugly and unnecessary evos by far, not to mention it introduce Stealth Rock and bunch of other stupid shit.

>>30814619
>I thought people here liked gen5 (B/W) the best.
Just a very loud minority, but lately they've been getting BTFO, it's all good.

>>30813872

That was the first of the Pokemon games I skipped over. Never played it. What was so good about it?

the sick bassline in Cyrus's theme

>>30814720
this. played bw and the pokemon designs other than zekrom and braviary sucked or were digimon-esque. story was unfulfilling and characters that were meant to be impressive really fell short, like alder's inept ass. legendaries apart from the -dorus's were cool tho, really it's only saving grace other than the usually-cool seasonal changes

>>30814724
Good version of D/P with Emerald's postgame

>>30813872
just beat this game again was good fun

>>30813872
More Cynthia

>>30814724
It does everything wrong with DP, right.
>larger post-game (complete with gym leader rematches and battle frontier)
>expanded pokedex to include more fire types and the cross-gen evos
>faster surf speed
>introduction of Looker (imo he was pointless, but some people like him so I'll include it)
>harder difficulty
>move tutors
>comfier, snowier aesthetics
It's something that you should at least play once, especially if you were turned off by DP.

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>>30814649
Can agree. part of the former.

>>30814720
Kek, you people are so delusional it's not even funny

>>30814675
>Zelda cycle
>you

By this time people were already shitting on ORAS a lot

Need proof? People bought banners shitting on ORAS a week after it came out

>>30813872
A lot, but SM is the real peak

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>>30814843
>digimon-esque
tfw I like 90% of these designs including braviary

>>30814619
Platinum are still very good games

Top 3, it's one of the last games to feel "old"

You know?

>>30815003
Not an argument.

>>30815053
Wasn't supposed to be, you autist

>>30815020
I just.... can't get over gothitelle's line. Solosis's too, but that's slightly easier. 2/10 why is evanescence in my pokemon

>>30815003
>being this assmad that babbie's first gen isn't anyone else's favorite

You guys get BTFO even here on /vp/ whenever we make polls, and that's because this is one of the very few places on the Internet that likes gen 5 in the first place. Everywhere else you go, you'll find that gen 5 is the majority's least favorite generation.

>>30815097
Still not an argument. You're going to need to try a little harder.

>>30815134
>and that's because this is one of the very few places on the Internet that likes gen 5 in the first place
Louder for the people in the back.

>>30815134
So?

We're probably some of the most "dedicated" longest fans

>>30815134

And considering the fact that we're in Gen 7 now their circlejerking is approaching straight up nostalgiafaggotry. It's almost like their vehement cries of "genwunner" were nothing more than projecting.

>>30813872
The lore literally reached it's peak. What is above god? Most new legendaries are just lmao box legends and are shoehorned into the plot especially in gen 6

>>30815134
>You guys get BTFO even here on /vp/ whenever we make polls
Link?

>>30814649
It's funny. I started with Gen I, made it through Gen III, and then fell out during Gen IV out of pure disgust.

25 years old here. Played Red back in 98 and every Pokemon game since then

Gen 4 is the peak of the series.

>>30815153
>We're probably some of the most "dedicated" longest fans
This will never be true as long as gen 1, 2, 3 or even 4 exist.

>>30815204
DP or gen 4 in general?

I hated DP and only got back around BW I went back to the other gen 4 games and loved them

>>30815153
what the fuck kind of achievement is that, then the genwunners you people shunned would get that shittier trophy before you cucks ever did.

gen5 is trash

>>30814970
>more fire types
You mean "any," right?

I still can't believe that not introducing any new Pokémon of a type outside the starter and a single cross-gen evolution was a good idea.

>>30815219
>what did he mean by this

I like gen 5 the best because it felt like a brand new adventure that Gen 1 had

Most refreshing games when they came out

>>30815229
I got back in around BW and went back to play SoulSilver, but didn't bother with Platinum. It was still going to be in Sinnoh, with the same shitty designs, so why bother?

>>30815139
>It's not supposed to be an argument
>"Still not an argument"
Nigga what?

>>30814619
Personally, I like Gen 4's map/gameplay, Gen 5's roster of Pokemon, Gen 7's writing, and Gen 3 (especially spinoffs) music best.

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>>30815219
>>30815248
>just over a minute apart

Really makes you think

I played every game in order from the middle of pokemania

>>30815297
>I played every game in order from the middle of pokemania

Almost everyone on here did, you aren't special.

>only one person doesn't like gen 5 on /vp/

You gen 5 apologists are truly something else.

>>30815279
I mean that's what I thought, but everything being faster helps much more than you'd think. Makes you want to actually explore

Plus better Pokémon selection, check it out sometime

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>>30815126
I can see where you're coming from. not a big fan of those myself, but I'm not one to call it off over a few bad designs since every gen has them. there are just so many that I do like that came out of gen5. braviary and mienshao are two of my absolute favorites. I could list all the ones I like but it'd take a while. but shit I didn't even play these games so I can't vouch for gameplay. I hear nice things before though and I've seen some good visuals.

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>>30815285
>and Gen 3 music best.

>>30815320
*oh and Plot is a bit better too

And gyms in general

>>30815342
Colosseum has the best music in the series, if you pretend the Giratina, Dialga and Palkia themes don't exist.

>>30815371
>Giratina theme

So based

>>30815371
I was literally about to say that.

>>30815342
go watch a few of gilvasunner's videos. he's got the entire OST

>>30815391
Masuda really went all out in gen 4.

Even the meh Lake Trio got a God-tier battle theme.

>>30815285
m8 gen 3 has almost the worst music of the series, although that's mostly due to the GBA's terrible sound font

>>30815371
I agree with you. I should have mentioned Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald. Trumpets galore

Colosseum, Gale of Darkness and FireRed/LeafGreen all have great music. Never played the 3rd Gen Mystery Dungeon games though. How are they?

>>30813872
Nah Platinum is overrated shit.

>>30815429
>FireRed/LeafGreen
>great music
pick one and only one

>>30815297
i'm fucking retarded, typing out a response takes at least 3 minutes of writing and editing for spelling, genuine coincidence bro

>>30814675
stop forcing the Zelda Cycle on Pokemon

>>30815259
There weren't many fire types introduced in gen 2 or 3 either, it's not like gen IV was the first time GF did this. Gen 2's single new ghost and dragon, one of which was post game only, was just as bad.

>>30815451
>FireRed/LeafGreen don't have great music
wew

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>>30815456
>it takes 3 minutes to make a post

>>30815480
shitty ass gba trumpet crap ruined god tier original game OST

>>30815477
Gen 2 and 3 each introduced two full lines in addition to the starter.

Gen 4 added an evolution to a line you couldn't even get during your main playthrough.

>>30813872
So when did /vp/ start liking Platinum? I remember nobody cared about gen 4 beyond HGSS up until recently.

>>30814675
The "people" shitting on Gen 5 you mention is mostly one or two dudes sperging out in this and a few other threads. Just look at the unique posters number.

>>30815477
Introduced wasn't the big problem for Gen 4.
It was access in general.
D/P: Didn't choose infernape? You HAVE to use Rapidash if you want a fire type.
Pt: You can also have Gen 4 Flareon and Magmar because its evo is locked behind post-game.
Actually, after looking it up, Houndoom as well. Don't remember its line in Pt.

>>30815517
Most of FR/LG OST isn't trumpets though

>>30815538
Like most things, general consensus tends to ebb and flow.

>>30815328
liepard, braviary, zebstrika, zekrom, whimsicott/lilligant, krookodile, carracosta, zoroark, galvantula, chandelure, golurk (and volcarona, if it's not considered legend status). These are the only ones I thought actually looked decent, not sure why that is though. They had more of a traditional pokemon style, yknow? And the designs weren't my only issue with the series, it just severely hampered my enjoyment as I played through White the first time. They just tried to "innovate" the gameplay by repackaging several things as new, like contests, only ultimately hurting it overall.

>>30815552
try to tell me this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxOUWtduI5Q is better than this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJZPW9aEEgk

>>30815538

Platinum has always been regarded as the game that fixed everything wrong with D/P.

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>>30815582
What about Eelektross?

>>30815517
This. The GBA's soundfont is awful. I wish they could've pulled a HGSS and did a GB sounds, but limited hardware, I guess.

>>30815602
Yes, but it was never really highly regarded until recently.

>>30815633
>recently

You mean the last 2 years?

>>30815429
mystery dungeon blue i played back when it first came out. pretty good desu and plenty great end-game stuff too

>>30815517
>>30815626
What's wrong with trumpets? I thought gen 3's soundfont was fantastic. inb4 some stupid strawman like "yeah that's because it was your first game"

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>>30815512
got me

>>30815613
honestly pretty cool, but not my kinda tea. I equate it to my fear of weird sea monsters. Bias sucks bro

>>30815542
Yeah, D/P was fucked. Platinum also had Growlithe and Vulpix available before the E4, but they were locked away behind that stupid dual slot mechanic and weren't part of the regional dex. Magmar isn't post game in Plat, there's a Magmariser right after Veilstone, and IIRC you can get more from wild Magmar.

Is platinum better than HG/SS?

>>30815538
We only have a small sample size to go on, but the most current pokemon games tend to lose favor here about a year post release, with the current "best" game being whatever you're nostalgic for, which according to fads is supposed to be roughly 10-15 years. the board was made around the release of HG/SS, so gen 4 only held a short window of popularity, but it's coming back around. Meanwhile, there's a few people jumping the gun on gen 5 love, and an overwhelming support for early gen 4 coming out of the woodwork now.

>>30815732
Nope.

>>30815633
Of course not, it was the second-newest gen until gen VI, so naturally it was shit.

>>30815732
yes
>>30815730
platinum also had houndour/houndoom, and flareon if that counts

>>30815729
Well that's a valid reason

Gen 5 has a large number of stand out's but it's bad is

Really bad....

fucking Basculin Monkeys Patrat Purrloin Unovan geodude and regional bird

>>30815732
>HGSS has shitty gym leader teams
>HGSS has shitty elite 4 teams
>HGSS has a shitty level curve
>HGSS has shitty pokemon destribution
>Platinum has shitty overworld colors

Yes.

>>30815787
fuck unfezant

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>>30815740

They also go out of their way to try and shit on every new game for daring to have Kanto Pokemon in them.

>>30815538
>>30815574
This. I remember everyone hated gen 3 at first

>>30815740
i've been on /vp/ since it existed kill me and people have been sucking b2w2's dick since it came out

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>>30815787
desu I don't get this meme. All gens have hit or miss designs. Gens 1-4 are no exception, especially Gens 1 and II

>>30815787
>>30815806
Early dex is so shit

It gets good at Pinwheel Forest

Timburr Lilligant Whimiscott Tympole Venipede Sewaddle

And the desert after it with Scrafty Sandlit and Dwebble and Darmuka

>>30815828
>I remember everyone hated gen 3 at first
It truly was a better time
I remember getting banned for saying hoennbabbies back then.

>>30815802
>HGSS has shitty gym leader teams
Still better Gym Leaders than Platinum

>HGSS has a shitty level curve
Git gud kid

>HGSS has shitty pokemon destribution
Platinum is just as bad especially considering it's the fourth generation yet Zubats and Geodudes still make up most of the encounters early on.

>>30815883
I really like Unova's dex but when it misses, it misses pretty hard

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>>30813872
Wrong box-art, OP.

>>30815582
liepard, braviary, zebstrika, whimsicott/lilligant, krokorok, archen, zoroark, joltik, galvantula, chandelure, lampent, volcarona, mienshao, cryogonal, sawsbuck, emolga, reshiram, eelektross, soft serve, cinccino, maractus, scolipede, leavanny, excadrill, audino, all the starters and their evos besides tepig, and stoutland. I honestly love all these.

oh my god I forgot garbage bag was in this gen..
I'll take a few steps back.
I still like this gen though.

>>30815541
Keep believing that, m80.

>>30815943
Nobody plays these faggy games

>>30815828
So after the Sinnoh remakes are one and done can we expected the "UNOVA CONFIRMED1!1!" meme to pop up? Really if GF says they want to do more remakes I won't be surprised if we see a Sinnoh and Unova remake within the next 10 years.

>>30815974
xcuse u

>>30815988
I won't be surprised if I see your mom remade, fag.

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>>30815909
>Still better Gym Leaders than Platinum
Am I supposed to read your post after this sentence?

These are all the same type gyms, same order too. Literally no excuse.

>>30815974
Everyone knows the best pokemon games are the ones that are spinoffs

>>30816028
>These are all the same type gyms, same order too. Literally no excuse.
and your point is?

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>>30815974
>Not having played the single greatest story ever told in a videogame
Ah, anon...

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>>30815974

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>>30816022
>Being this triggered

>>30816076
Platinum is the only team with a bit of thought put into it.

HGSS is pathetic, and BW is inexcusable.

>>30816028
One of HGSS's flaws is that they were afraid to change the trainer teams. Lance still has three Dragonites lol

>>30816140
>Platinum is the only team with a bit of thought put into it.

Seel
>Rest
>Snore

Dewgong
>Rest
>Sleep Talk

Plioswine
>Snow Cloak
>Hail
>Blizzard

Wrong again, Bob.

>>30815844
regardless of fads, some games are just good.

I was skeptical of a main series game not adding real new pokemon till I played it. Now I wonder if making new pokemon is holding back the series potential it isn't, but damn, it was a creative entry

>>30816140
>BW
>Inexcusable
??? It had a few challenging gym leaders, like Platinum.
If anything, X and Y were inexcusable with the whole game being so easy.

>>30816178
>blizzard pilowswine
>mud bomb piloswine
>ice fang piloswine
>his ace piloswine has a worse moveset than candice's throwaway piloswine

more like piloshit

>>30815541
>>30815966
>>30815007
As someone whos never met anyone who hates any of the gens in real life or anywhere online outside /vp/, the people who hate them seem to just be an incredibly loud and retarded minority.

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Anyone else would like a sinnoh prequel instead of a remake

From a bit of dialog it looks like cynthia started her journey in a very similar way to the player, also she remembers using a pokedex

So i think a sinnoh pequel could be kinda like this

>Female player is a younger cynthia
>Male player is a younger Flint
>Rival is a younger cyrus

All of them travel in the main story in a similar way to the guys from sun and moon, but while you fight the legendary pokemon something happens to cyrus and for the rest of the game he starts becoming more like how he is in diamond and pearl

>>30816140
They really dropped the ball with Brycen

Especially after the pretty high difficulty of gyms 4-6

There are several reasons why BW along with the entierty of Gen V are very ill-received by those outside of /vp/.

> Lack of Pokémon from previous generations.

This hurts in terms of nostalgia which fuels some players to hunt down their favorite mons to add to their team while experimenting with new accessible mons to see if they can fulfill the empty spaces left by the regional gap. Instead we are forced to grab nothing but Generation V only Pokémon and this can throw motivation out the window.

>Heavily plot driven.

All games prior had a very simple formula: collect all gym badges and become the Champion of the respective region while defeating the Regional Crime Syndicate in the process. This is changed by making the Crime Syndicate the focus of the actual game more than a secondary objective.

>On the rails.

Previous gens required you to accomplish certain objectived in order to advance forward, such as a task needed to get a certain HM or the a-ok to advance such as the guard in Gen I and it's remakes. Gen V instead makes those optional which breaks away from the minor objectives needed to achieve your major obiective, reducing actual difficulty of the game compared to previous generations.

>Inconsistencies with Features such as DW.

Before saying "Why not just inject HA mons.". The issue is not all can inject or are aware of resources which can aid them to inject. The introduction of HA is a complicated concept to grasp and a difficult one to achieve for those without the mentioned resources. This also discourages replayability from those who have a hard time achieving their desired goal.

>Unusual Difficulty curve in terms of Trainers.

I for one, felt Ghestis was the hardest trainer main game. I didn't struggle v. N and a lot of people I know share this sentiment. The game was a cake walk and experience wasn't terribly curved. Just the spike in Ghestis team composition compared to those before him was a great difference and it was very odd for BW.

>>30816354
I think you're overthinking it. I think it's mostly normie genwunners who say muh icecream trashbag meme who didn't even play it.

And before any of you autistic fags accuse me of being an Unovabortion, I'm neutral towards gen 5.

>>30816425
No, you're wrong dumbass

>>30816331
>Male player is a younger Flint
dropped
>Rival is a younger cyrus
dropped
>you fight the legendary pokemon
dropped

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>>30816425

>i-it's the genwunners fault!
>i-i'm neutral to gen 5

Pathetic.

>>30813872
I liked Gen 4 because it brought me back into the series. I played Platinum when I was 14 or so and thought it was meh, but I hated Gen 5 so much I just stopped playing.

A few months before X and Y came out, I decided to replay Platinum out of boredom and ended up loving it. To this day I haven't been able to enjoy Gen 5, I just don't see why people love it so much.

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>>30816216
>blizzard pilowswine
>mud bomb piloswine
The difference between physical and special isn't that big and blizzard is a strong move it's going to do a lot of damage regardless.

>ice fang piloswine
Nothing is wrong with this.

>his ace piloswine has a worse moveset than candice's throwaway piloswine
It's almost like it's a higher level or something and atleast Pryce's Piloswine has a good ability.

Also nowhere near as bad as Fantina's Haunter having Shadow Claw instead of Shadow Ball were the difference between physical and special is much greater than Piloswine.

Attack
50

Sp. Attack
115

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>>30816354

>Heavily plot driven.

>All games prior had a very simple formula: collect all gym badges and become the Champion of the respective region while defeating the Regional Crime Syndicate in the process. This is changed by making the Crime Syndicate the focus of the actual game more than a secondary objective.

What? It's not really a main focus till the very end of the game. You still have to collect badges and defeat the pokemon league like any other pokemon game. B/W just made you do it for an extra reason.

>On the rails.

>Previous gens required you to accomplish certain objectived in order to advance forward, such as a task needed to get a certain HM or the a-ok to advance such as the guard in Gen I and it's remakes. Gen V instead makes those optional which breaks away from the minor objectives needed to achieve your major obiective, reducing actual difficulty of the game compared to previous generations.

Okay, what? You still do this in the main game. How does it make it easier? It really has nothing to do with difficulty. It makes no since for difficulty to be a flaw with these games seeing as how easy Gen VI in general was. Pokemon was never really that hard anyway.

>>30816425
I love Gen I games for their exploitable mess of a code. My 3rd Grade class TA literally got me the Gengar back then when I was a weelad and too poor to afford a GBA.

But as someone who was played consistently every Gen from III onward after saving allowance and working for it, Gen V is unappealling for all those reasons listed and more.

I could care less of goofy mons like Icecream cones or piles of toxic waste in their respective introduction generation. But hideous designs like the Genies and the deviating from tradition to attempt and grab cash is clearly some of the things that make Gen V very ill-liked in my opinion.

>>30816354
>Heavily plot driven.
So were Sun and Moon, but almost everyone loves those.

Difference is that BW's story felt forced and was a lot more boring.

>>30815813
awful bait
you should know full well that the issue is unwarranted Kanto favoritism in the past two gens

>>30816531
That Mismagius shits on Morty's entire team, including his shitty Gengar though.

Stay in your lane.

>>30816507
It's funny because that's my actual opinion

>>30816539
I don't see how deviating from tradition is an attempt to crash grab. You'd think that being lazy would be a crash grab. I agree the game is lazy in other ways, though.

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>>30816549

I'm still not even sure what the "story" was supposed to be. Something about N being a king and Pokemon PETA, and by the end a giant building popped out of the ground while you were fighting the Elite Four. It was a mess all around and stank of a low budget pretentious shounen anime plot. For a game that tried so hard to focus on story it didn't do a very good job AT ALL.

Kind of like the new roster of Pokemon actually. They really tried so hard to come up with 150 new Pokemon and the result was, well

All Gen 5 faggots deserve to die.

>>30816608
>I don't see how deviating from tradition is an attempt to crash grab
unnecessary gimmicks that break the game rather than improving upon what's already there

>>30816629
no u

>>30816614
>For a game that tried so hard to focus on story it didn't do a very good job AT ALL.
This

it should be known to Unovabortions and their defenders that we only shit on B/W. B2W2 wasn't that bad.

>>30816176
this, but I equate any of hgss's main flaws to them focusing on maintaining the nostalgia curtain on the game. the leveling in Johto has always bugged me since GSC as a kid, it's my only complaint desu

>>30816507
Also, I didn't mean to imply that only people who never played it hate Gen 5. Obviously there's plenty of those too. I just think most of the hate it gets outside of /vp/ are from the people I mentioned

>>30816634
I agree, most Pokemon games have that issue. Biggest one that comes to mind right now is Festival Plaza in Sun/Moon

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>>30816614
>WAAAHHH
>MUH KANTO MONS
>MUH MUK MUH VOLTORB
>MUH ORIGINAL DESIGNS

>>30816568
>That Mismagius shits on Morty's entire team,

Mean Look
Curse

Haunter
>Hypnosis
>Nightmare
>Dream Eater

Gengar
>Sp.Atk: 130
>Speed: 110

Mismagius
>Sp.Atk: 105
>Speed: 105

Wrong again, Bob.

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>>30816614
Gen 1 had a literal pile of sludge and an upside down pokeball. Your point is?

And we still got good designs like pic related.

>>30816614
There's a shit ton of reason to hate BW's story but if it's because you don't know what's going on how can you criticize it?

>>30813872
But anon, that's the second worst game in the franchise. Only DP was worse.

>>30813872
Nothing went right.
>Slow as fuck game play
>Getting experience after a battle is like dumping a container of honey, slow as shit.
>Boring plot
>Overrated game because everyone who likes it was born in the 2000s.
>Almost no Fire or Dragon types (Aside from legends)
>"MUH IMPROVEMENT!!" Game is still slow as fuck.
Really?

>All this Gen 5 hate in this thread.
Do Sinnohfags hate Unovabortions?

>>30816712
>Overrated game because everyone who likes it was born in the 2000s.
Literally wrong. Read the thread.

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>>30816671

Uh oh, looks like the genfivers are going full damage control.

Sinnoh is the best region with the most tasteful regional dex and great league
It also ages very well, like gen 3
Gen 5 was just a step down in almost every aspect and that makes it seem even better

>>30813872
Actually, gen 5 was the peak.

And it was a recovery from a piss poor gen 4.

>>30816737
Everyone I see here is saying it's the best just because it improved upon DP.
Literaly nothing disproves that sentence in this thread.

>>30816753
>Sinnoh is the best region
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>30816712
>>30816711
>>30816663
>>30816614
>WHAAAAAAAAA GEN V SUCKS!11!
>WHAAAAAAAAAAAA GEN IV SUCKS!1!1
I can't believe everyone keeps forgetting the true worst region

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>tfw you know Gen 6 is the best and are enjoying the show

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I like gen5 pokemon I'm not gonna change my mind sorry guys

>>30816771
This

It takes everything wrong with Gen 5 and takes it to the extreme

>>30816789
Nice bait. Have a you.

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>>30816753
>most tasteful regional dex
>when that was one of the biggest complaints of Sinnoh

>>30816771
>Muh difficulty.
This game isn't made for adults fag.
>Muh story
This is literlly the holocaust in pokemon.
>Muh postgame
This dead, accept it, move on, replay the game or do competitive battling.

>>30816614
fucking right? I'm still not even sure what the fuck N is supposed to be other than some guy's son and peta-boys were just fucking annoying and didnt attribute any of their crime to the main crime bosses in respect to purpose? legit just a messy story that didnt come together.

>>30816761

That's funny, because it took gen 6 to recover from a piss poor gen 5, and Pokemon hasn't been more alive.

>>30816762

>>30814141
>>30814649
>>30814992
>>30815209

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>>30816771
>tfw when you don't recognize the map

>>30816827
>Isn't made for adults
Then why the fuck is sun and moon so hard? They definitely marketed that for kids. So why isn't gen 6 hard like gen 7?
>LITERALLY THE POKEMON HOLOCUAST LOLOLOLO
Except no one dies. Besides the bad guy, but that's to be expected.
>RESTART GAME FOR POST GAME LOLO!
Doesn't excuse it has none. Look at B2/W2 and Sun and Moons post game. It's full of things to do. So should gen 6 have a post game of some sort? Obviously.

>>30814649
Disagree. I fell out in 3 and hated Gen 4. 5 brought me back.

>>30816671
every gen has its fair share of dumb designs, what is your argument

>>30816874
Wow 4 people. And those people can't be lying, right? Because, who would go on the internet and tell lies?

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>>30816761
some tasty lookin bait there m8

>>30816890

>Then why the fuck is sun and moon so hard?

I think we can all take a moment to set aside the genwar and laugh at you, personally, for being so shit at video games.

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>>30816867
>gen 6
>in any way a recovery

Platinum fags in a nutshell

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>>30816688
>baby thinks he understands what the poster was saying and thinks he outwitted them

>>30816827
>people are actually defending gen 6

>>30816928
Not him, but the totem pokemon were a better challenge than anything in gen 6.

>>30816931

Lol I'm surprised you didn't call me a genwunner, that's a first. Maybe you unovabortions are actually starting to learn.

>>30816928
Gen 7 is arguably one of the hardest Pokemon games I've played. Maybe it's the step up from 6. No amount of mouth wash can get that shit taste out of my mouth.

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>>30816956
But you didn't even mention gen 1 you stupid fucking faggot.

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>mfw I like both Gen 5 & 4

They're literally the most similar gens how can people be so bipolar about this

>>30816934
>no argument
>ad hominem
I accept your concession.

best in amount of gameplay improvements, clearly. I wouldn't say it's the overall greatest Pokemon game, though.

>>30816995
in what way

>>30816913
sure buddy

>>30816991

I never mentioned platinum either, but hey that doesn't stop you. See the problem with genfivers is that it doesn't matter WHAT game is being discussed -- if it's not gen 5 -- they try to shit on it.

>>30816803
it was more of a response to a guy earlier talking about gen5 designs looking like digis.

Imagine these as event Pokemon for the Platinum remake

LV:50 Torterrible (Torterra) @ Zoom Lens
Ability: Overgrow
perfect IVs
random Nature
- Land's Wrath / Precipice Blades
- Wood Hammer
- Stone Edge
- Shell Trap

LV: 50 Damnapetion (Infernape) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Blaze
perfect IVs
random Nature
- V-Create/Flying Press
- Reversal (event)
- Counter
- Swords Dance

LV: 50 Godpoleon (Empoleon) @ Life Orb/Quick Claw
Ability: Torrent
perfect IVs
random Nature
- King's Shield
- Oblivion Wing
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam

>>30817024
I'm not your buddy pal.

>>30817043
>Platinum remake
Top kek

>>30816608
Gen I established a tradition known as the third installment which served as including some features available from the previous two copies into the third. Now Yellow didn't do a good job at this but was still fun at exploiting the fuck out of.

Gen II onwards before Gen V had a severe improvement cap. It was take previous two games and make them better by including more content and so on. This was then broken away from in Gen V and left some notable scars.

We got a direct sequel to BW. Which would be dandy and all if only it held a candle to Gen II in terms of being a direct sequel. Second, it introduced two additional installments to Gen V instead of one. This was an attempt to exploit those who were willing to buy both copies or children who would get their parents to buy them both. The amount of units sold for these games is great but that is if you take into account there is 1 copy of each version per household.

It also retconned the lore of the third Legendary introduce that gen and instead gave us Frankenstein's monster's pet iguana.

The reason why Gen VI main series games don't have a third version is because of how unlikely it would sell due to the exact failure of Gen V with it's sequel.

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>>30817060

>>30817061
So being unique is bad.

>>30817106

>>30816634

Gen 4, particularly diamond and pearl, made good use of the DS/touch screen mechanics. By having the player's menus be literally what their character would see on their device, they brought a sense of immersion to even that aspect of the game. The game was actually designed for the system it was on. XY and S&M are built with the assumption the player will be amazed by 3d models in mind and the result is zones are smaller, the game runs shittier, the menus and hotkey systems mostly suck, and the game is filled with the same boring 2-pokemon "how did you beat me!" trainers that have been stale for 15 years.

At least SM finally got rid of HMs. Maybe in 2020 we can get a few more quality of life improvements that romhacks have had for a decade.

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>>30817061
>Second, it introduced two additional installments to Gen V instead of one. This was an attempt to exploit those who were willing to buy both copies or children who would get their parents to buy them both.

>making a sequel is more exploitative than a remake with a couple more features

>>30816733
>>30816753
>>30816931
I actually like both Gens 4 and 5.

>>30816904
That's not really a disagreement with what I was saying. I was talking about people who like Gen 4, not the ones who dislike it.

>>30817134
>making a sequel is more exploitative than a remake with a couple more features
You must be referring to ORAS, which nobody would want to defend. FrLg especially and HgSs are different.

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>>30817134
>remake the game with a couple more features
>call it a "sequel"
>sell two versions instead of one

>>30817168
I wasn't talking about those remakes, I was talking about the "third game" gimmick that is pretty much a remake of the first two versions.

>>30817203
then I agree

>>30817134
It is literally BW with an equally shitty story. Just new MC and crew with more make up.

Gen II was a direct sequel to Gen I. And the remakes lived up to it. B2W2 couldn't even replicate what it attempted to be.

BW had a lot better music than DPPt

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>>30816995
I like Gen IV and V and I can tell you why the latter "failed" in a way.

See like most anons have mentioned above, B/W tried to be so different from the status quo of the usual games.
>No old pokemon till postgame
>More story driven, main villains more tied into the plot
>Went full on 2.5D
>Had an abundance of new mons, while most were good, the bad ones really weighed them all down
>Somewhat poor advertising
>Poor postgame after the fandom was spoiled by HG/SS/Platinum
A combination of all those factors plus the fact that it didn't at all try to appeal to nostalgia, which is a HUGE part of pokemon in general, lead to B/W failing, in a since.
Now look at B/W2 and see what it did,
>Added a steady balance of new and old mons
>Plot was toned down, League and Champ was regulated to end game and not post game.
>Villains are more generic and easier to understand
>less linear in a since than B/W1, had an amazing post game with PWT to appeal to nostalgia along with a competent, not too friendly rival.
Now guess which one is better recieved in the fandom.
But even that didn't save Gen V (even though I think that B/W2 are amazing)
Now look at X/Y
>Simple plot and characters
>Villains are one note and generic as any can be
>had tons of Gen 1 pandering.
>3D
>Good advertising.
And they sold good. Now that just means that trying to break the mold with a series like pokemon will lead to disinterest and a vocal hatedom like Gen V has (at least here). Which is why games like X and Y that pander to Gen 1 and stay formulaic don't get as much hate by the normies

>>30817061
>We got a direct sequel to BW. Which would be dandy and all if only it held a candle to Gen II in terms of being a direct sequel
I agree with you here, but I think making a sequel instead of releasing the same game with improvements was a welcome change, even if I thought they could have executed it better. But I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority and most people liked B2W2 and that it didn't influence Game Freak's plans for Gen VI.

>>30817043
remove those fucking nicknames and give them megas with better abilities

Torterra: Solid Rock
Infernape: Anger Point
Empoleon: Steelworker

>>30817061
>exact failure of Gen V with it's sequel

A few things about BW2

>It was the last games out for the DS by Nintendo
>5th release on the same system
>The 10x better console had already came out
>Wifi was killed in a year and a half
>DS pirating was so bad you could play BW2 on your phone less than a week it came out
>10th best selling game on the DS

Pokemon could literally sell raw feces in a box with a pokemon logo and make millions

>>30817259
if you still play Pokemon into adulthood, you aren't a normie

children, the actual target demographic, will love it no matter what the game is and includes

the hate comes from long-time fans

>>30817294
Empoleon should get an ability that buffs electric moves since it is salty constantly.

>>30817168

I thought omega ruby was alright. On the other hand, I pirated it.

But legitimately the encounter chaining thing OR/AS had beat out the fucking call for help mechanic as a way to get hidden abilities and shit on so many levels.

>>30817257

You take that back, you monster.

>>30817294
I didn't mean for the nicks to be taken seriously, and I was only working with what already exists.

I think Megas were a mistake, but they might as well get some

>Mega-T: Solid Rock
yes
>Mega-I: Anger Point
no. this ability was a mistake
>Mega-E: Steelworker
meh

>>30817334
>>30817294
What about a move that boost ice type moves because it's a fucking King Penguin

>>30817334
>>30817374
i'm open to suggestions for empoleon. i couldnt think of anything that fits it better and didn't want to create a new ability.
also fuck you anger point is awesome and it fits infernape
>literally goku
>not giving it the super saiyan ability

>>30817361
prove me wrong
protip: :DDDDD

>>30817250
>It is literally BW with an equally shitty story.

And a lot more content and features.

The story is not why BW2 is widely liked around here, and it's your average Pokemon story anyway. Not really worth mentioning that aspect of it.

>Gen II was a direct sequel to Gen I. And the remakes lived up to it. B2W2 couldn't even replicate what it attempted to be.

Might have something to do with the fact that Gold/Silver were a new generation that came four fucking years after Red/Green in addition to being a sequel to the original games.

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When did /vp/ started thinking that B/W2 were worse than B/W? I though it was universally agreed to be better than it's predecessor.

>>30813872
>attempt to play Pearl again
>the battles are so boring and the variety is so awful I end up dropping it after the 2nd gym
I really want to play Platinum again, a shame I lost my copy, because D/P does Sinnoh absolutely no justice.

>>30817405
It's actually based on the original story behind Dragon Ball/Goku, Sun Wukong

>>30817425
Same here, I always preferred the first one so I'm surprised seeing people who share my opinion here.

>>30817397
>Ice King: boosts the power of user's Ice-type moves by 50%.
>>30817334
it gets no electric moves

Also forgot to add about how N is really bad for an attempt at a Rival. He has nothing to show as he constantly got stepped on by both the player and his father a total of four times in the story of both BW and B2W2.

While Lysandre was a bland reverse Tony Stark. He at least wasn't shit for being autistic. Just genocidal.

>>30817436
Platinum is literally the exact same. Tried to play it last night, fucking fell asleep before the first gym.

>>30817454
>bad attempt at a rival

The idea behind his teams are cool as shit though

N runs are fun as fuck

>>30817437
yes i know, sorry i should have been more clear, but it's the same thing

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>>30817454
Lysandre was really the worst villain. How do you have a stupider plan then Gen III Aqua and Magma combined?

>Pt: You can also have Gen 4 Flareon and Magmar because its evo is locked behind post-game.

Magmarizer is on route 214 and Houndour is right around the same place

>>30817454

Lysandre was an obnoxious cult leader wannabe who the game kept trying to get me to sympathize with. Fuck Gen 6. Team flare was retarded. "Hurr Durr press one of these dumbass buttons to 50/50 end the world."

Name even 1 Gen 6 NPC you would actually like to see return for another game.

>>30814675
Its literally one autist spamming gen5 hate

>>30817524
eureka

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>>30817524
>tfw I can't think of a single memorable Gen VI character

>>30817405
>not giving it the super saiyan ability
>implying Anger Point is easy to activate
what's wrong with you

Mega-E with Swift Swim would have been good if it wasn't already so played out. I just looked through the full ability list and nothing but Full Metal Body, Analytic, and some others matched at all. It would really need a new one that matches its Regal theming.

>>30813872
yeah i love it haha first game i ever played xd

>>30817524
Emma

Only good one. That has no official acknowledgment

>>30816531
Fantina is also only the third gym leader. A fully special Haunter followed by that fucking Mismagius would make her impossible to get past without an insane amount of grinding

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>>30817572
you forgot your pic

>>30817567
super saiyan is not supposed to be "easy"

>>30817598
did you watch anything past the Cell arc? you can activate this shit on command.

>>30817567
>Full Metal Body
i considered this. I'd rather it had a new ability than steal a legendary's signature

>>30813872
>online
>good meta
>p/s split
>tons of fun cross gen evos
>good graphics and sound
gen v is best imo but gen iv comes close
>tfw gen 4 and 5 will never be a thing again

>>30817043
>Empoleon
>King's Shield/Oblivion Wing
>not Roost

There's only one thing in this world that Empoleon really desires and its reliable healing

>>30817612
>Fucking Normal Trunks and Goten
They were a mistake

>>30814619
My favorite is gen 5, not because of the new mons though. I really like the graphics and the meta was the best. Comfy to think back on.

>>30817637
key word here I guess is reliable
Oblivion Wing is obviously a healing move
the issue is that this assumes Empoleon is fast or bulky enough to use Roost well, which it isn't

>>30814649
Been keeping up with the series faithfully since Gen I and Gen 2 (and even more the Johto remakes) are my favorites

If they did a Platinum remake and they went with the old method of improving a mon by giving it an evolution (rather than now with a stupid Mega), which 3 pokemon would you save?

>>30817672
>the issue is that this assumes Empoleon is fast or bulky enough to use Roost well, which it isn't

Empoleon's primary niche is abusing its passable bulk of 84/88/101, its great support movepool, and god tier defensive typing to be a defensive/offensive support pokemon. In OU it can reasonably be used as a special defense wall. Its number one biggest issue is that its lack of access to recovery makes it easy to it wear down.

>>30817819
Parasect, Rapidash and Dewgong

>>30817535
>anyone who disagrees with me is j-just one person!!

Stay in denial, cuck.

>>30817995
dewgong and rapidash wouldn't be good if you gave them 900BST and protean/wonderguard/huge power etc all at once.

>>30813872
Other than how fucking slow it is. I love the game so much, and I'm playing through it right now but the fucking speed is making me want to kill myself. I legitimately can't play it for more than like 30 minutes 'cause I get so fucking annoyed it gets hard to breathe.

>>30818042
Rapidash already has 100 Attack and 105 Speed with a decent movepool. If an evolution were to bolster those stats, make it more bulky, or add a 2nd typing to improve its movepool, it would easily be UU.

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>>30818022
not him but
>cuck

>>30817995
>>30818042
>>30818082
Rapidash and Dewgong are already good. I made a Bayonetta team just yesterday fucking around because Pokemon is boring now and I need to keep it interesting. Look at this (AG)

Jynx @ Focus Sash
Ability: Oblivious
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Perish Song
- Sweet Kiss
- Lovely Kiss
- Mean Look

Nidoqueen @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Careful Nature
- Bulldoze
- Poison Jab
- Fire Punch
- Sucker Punch

Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhanite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Drain Punch
- Shadow Claw
- Return

Rapidash (F) @ Shell Bell
Ability: Flash Fire
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Megahorn
- Wild Charge
- Drill Run

Vileplume (F) @ Quick Claw
Ability: Effect Spore
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Giga Drain
- Sludge Bomb
- Sleep Powder
- Moonlight

Dewgong (F) @ BrightPowder
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 204 HP / 152 Def / 152 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sheer Cold
- Horn Drill
- Sleep Talk
- Rest

I agree with the Parasect though.

I think the peak of the series was the 3rd gen with all its theme parks, promotions and merchandising but if by games I'll say S and M are the best and I've played Platinium and Heart Gold

>>30818156
enjoy your tutorial/demo

>>30813872
>good mons after the shit that was Gen 3
>physical/special split
>revisting older evolution lines and making some based Pokemon
>battle frontier
>improved storyline
>best meta Pokemon has ever had or will have, Garchomp notwithstanding
>comfy music
>best region
>improved Pokemon distribution
>GOAT post-game

I am too lazy to continue

>>30818172
I've played the game

>>30818215
exactly

>>30818231
So what's wrong with sun and moon exactly?

>>30818244
He thinks it's a tutorial/demo, duh

>>30815538
I've been here since the board was created and I've always loved Platinum. It's good that more people are trying the game out and loving it instead of bundling it together with DP as shit, because while DP really were shit Platinum fixed everything wrong with them.
I guess it's also possible that Gen IV is getting more recognition in general because it's in risk of getting a remake, and if it's something as torterrible as ORAS were everyone will shit even harder on that generation.

>>30818263
lol

>>30818070
this, atleast emulator double speed is playable

>>30818273
>I guess it's also possible that Gen IV is getting more recognition in general because it's in risk of getting a remake
this is a meme. getting a remake has nothing to do with a surge in popularity

>>30816733
Both of those gens are my favorites, actually.

>>30818315
But what about all the kids who want to brag about how they liked a game before it got a remake?

>>30818070
>>30818311
If you don't care about the soundtrack, it's possible to mod the ROM to run at 60fps instead of 30. Also, playing on a flascart will fix the slow save speed.

>>30818409
Wish someone would make a hack that makes it 60 fps but keeps the soundtrack intact.

>>30815518
Slugma and Houndour are only available after beating the Elite Four, though.You basically have Entei, Magmar and Typhlosion for the core in-game team.

All of them shitmons.

>>30818315
>getting a remake has nothing to do with a surge in popularity
Except it does. Both HGSS and ORAS were made because of fan demand not because we needed them.

>>30816928
Gen 7 is the first pokemon game to make me White Out.

Its also the first pokemon gen to make me white out multiple times over the course of the game.

No other gen in all 20 years of pokemon has ever made me lose yet.

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>>30817034
I love Gen 5 but the unovabortions who praise it as the second coming of christ need to be electrocuted.

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Platinum wasn't really my favorite game, but I loved the region and Barry. Not sure what it was about them, but they were pretty great. I also liked how the game had a lot of mons in the dex, but didn't overdo it like some of B2W2 and XY did.

>>30817374
How about the male version of Tsareena's ability

>>30814675
I've always hated Gen 5 you garbage redditor