Psychic is undeniably the worst type in the game right now.

>ice

>>30812902
>>30812902
>rock
>grass

>>30812902
probably grass
unless you mean in terms of how many viable pokemon of that type there actually are in which case its 100% ice

>>30812931
No.

>>30812902
>bug

>>30812958
Yes. Ice is only good as an attack type and nearly any Water pokemon can learn Ice Beam and Blizzard. Dry Freeze is great, but it can't save Ice type pokemon by itself.

also psychic is needed more with the poison buffs

>>30812902
That's not Bug, but yeah, Psychic has been constanty fucked hard ever since Gen II, not making Psychic moves SE against Fairy Types Psychic Types immune to Confusion was super gay

>>30813086
>Ice is only good as an attack type
Hence why Psychic is worse, it's shit in either role.

I get that no one wants to be Ice type but everyone wants Ice Beam. Nobody wants to be Psychic type and nobody wants Psychic coverage.

>>30813130
>bug
whats your evidence?

>>30813897
SE against Grass, Psychic and Dark
NVE against Fighting, Ghost, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Steel, Poison

It's most commonly paired with Grass and Poison, neither of which help that coverage.

IT ISN'T FAIR

>>30813134
>Tapu lele

>Tapu Lele exists
>Psychic is a bad type

Hm. It really makes you think

>flying

>>30812902
What did he mean by this?

>>30814026
is a very good type and has been good for every generation earthquake has existed

>>30812902
Psychic Terrain setting really helped it though

Gen 6 it could have been

>>30813976
>a pokemon that's carried entirely by its ability

>>30812902
>Fighting

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>>30812902
Explain yourself.

>>30812902
>Grass exists
>Rock exists
>Ice exists

What's with this Psychic type persecution complex? It's been around since at least gen 4 and it's really getting old.

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We have 4 contenders for the worst type. Let's analyze them. (Bug isn't bad.)

>Rock
>Grass
>Ice
>Psychic

Let's go in order.

Rock is ironically a terrible typing defensively. Although lots of the Pokèmon in its pool are perceived as bulky powerhouses, rock is weak to the most undeniably common types such as steel, fighting, ground, water & grass. Besides that, it has almost no special defense. As for it's moves, it gets decent coverage with it destroying ice, fire, flying and bug. The only common types it can defend itself against fairly well is flying and fire, even then not making it that good.

As for grass, it's defenses are pretty shaky considering its pokemon get decent stats, but the types it's weak against make it a cancerous type to play with. Weakness to fire, flying, bug, poison and ice. Not only are 2 of those common, but all of those types' move distribution is wild enough to bring down all grass types. Offensively, it can fuck up water, ground, and rock. That's it. Three fairly common types, but the payout is not as good as the work done to it in battle.

As we all know, offensively, Ice is amazing. Every pokemon and their mother gets ice beam and blizzard and that shit fucks up not only grass, flying and ground, but fucking DRAGONS. Everyone wants this move no matter what for the coverage. However, defensively is where this typing falls flat. Weak to super common types such as fire, rock, steel, and fucking fighting. Now that's what I call a shitty defensive typing. Not only that, but only like 5 or 6 different ice types are actually viable in the current meta, the rest being slow and frail ice types only exisitng for their gimmicks.

Finally, we have Psychic. It is apparent that psychic is nothing special. Fucks up fighting and poison fairly well, but that's about it. As for it's weaknesses, dark, ghost and bug, simply put, you cannot send in your psychic type anymore. Super powerful pokemon in its pool, and super weak ones.

Psychic isn't that bad.
Plus, psychic types often get good coverage moves.

>>30813991
>Weavile exists
>Ice is a bad type

Hm. You need to think more.

desu psychic wasn't even that broken in gen 1. Normal had way better pokemon, and ghost was better as a type in general (gengar would have been fucking broken as a pure ghost type back but luckily was part poison)

they seriously overestimated its power and didn't need to nerf it as much as they did. Making dark types resist it would have been enough. I mean why the fuck does steel resist psychic? Psychics are known for bending spoons with their mind, not having their psychic powers bounce off. it makes no sense and should never have been done.

>>30812902
>>30814510
>not Normal

>>30813949
Except bug has pheromosa, scizor, volcarona, buzzwole, m-pinsir, golisopod, scolipede, araquanid, galvantula, and genesect. Name that many viable grass, ice, or psychic mons

>>30814510
In conclusion, it seems pretty obvious that grass is the worst typing. Further analyzed, grass is terrible defensively and has powerful moves. Not only that, but it follows the stupid special attack meme and does not cater to any physical pokemon, cutting it's already terrible usefulness in half. Grass has some petty powerful moves, sure, but the pokemon white have them usually die first becausr they're too slow to a flamethrower or a brave bird. There are more viable grass types than ice types, sure, but those few ice types are clearly much better than the 20 or so viable grass types. Besides, Ice Beam exists. Grass types are slow, gimmicky, shabby offensively and TERRIBLE defensively.

>>30813949
Defensively bugs are really safe though, only 3 spe moves, fire, rock and flying. fire/flying being uncommon coverage and rock being shitty (80% acc). Offensively its not great, but it generally gets good support moves like u-turn and bug buzz(by-pass subs).

Compared to psychic who has a fuck ton of mono-typed mons, there are more pure psychic pokemon then dual-typed ones. Offensively it covers nearly nothing and gets walled by any dark type. It's weak to common utility coverage like sucker-punch/shadow sneak/u-turn/knock-off, all of which fuck it hard.

Bug is way better then psychic simply because switching it in isn't a complete liability.

>>30814653
not me

>>30814601
it was solely to nerf psychic types, why do ghost and dark get off scot free but psychic doesnt? steel resisting psychic is complete bullshit.

>>30814639

M-Alakazam, Mewtwo, M-Metagross, Jirachi, Mew, Deoxys, Lugia, Hoopa, Lunala, Solgaleo, Necrozma, Megacham, Megaslowbro

not to mention borderline great pokes like espeon and starmie

>inb4 "hurr megas and legendaries"

>>30814639
Those aren't used because they're bug type. They're good enough that people use them despite that.

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>>30814639
>Golisopod
>Araquanid
>Galvantula

>>30814639

>grass

Amoongus, Breloom, Celebi, Ferrothorn, Serperior, M-Sceptile, Shaymin, Tangrowth, M-Venusaur, Whimsicott

>Ice

M-Abomasnow, Cloyster, Froslass, Kyurem black/white, Mamoswine (not many fully evolved ice types even exist)

>Psychic

Alakazam, Azelf, Cresselia, Deoxys, Espeon, M-Gardevoir, Hoopa-U, Jirachi, Latias, Latios, Lugia, M-Medicham, Metagross, Mew, Mewtwo, Reuniclus, Slowbro/King, Starmie, Victini

>>30814935
I admit I was reaching a bit with those.
>>30814775
Admittedly, I meant to replace psychic with rock in that list, but then I smoked a bowl mid-post

>>30814524
Yeah most psychic types get focus blast and maybe shadow ball so coverage isn't really an issue. But it's still pretty bad as a defensive type

>>30814999
>amoomgus, tangrowth
News to me. Might as well add ninetales to the ice list.

>>30814775
>Necrozma

>>30814481
Grass is immune to Powder moves, has no immunities, and is one of the few types that is super effective against Ground and Water while also having more resistances than Psychic.

Rock is better offensively than Psychic while having no immunities and more resistances than Psychic.

Ice is better offensively than Psychic by having enviable supper effectiveness against Dragon, Flying, and Ground types and has no immunities.

Psychic has one immunity, two resistances, three weaknesses, meaning it gets hit for neutral damage from a lot of types.

>>30814622
>only one weakness
>great coverage usually

Not really fampai

>>30815083

You should try playing against human opponents some time. Moon and Tang are great OU walls.

>>30815012
Tyranitar Diancie Aerodactyl Tyrantrum Kabutops Nihilego and Terrakion are all pretty viable. Kabutops is probably me trying to reach out but he's kinda good under rain.
Sad how most of them are legendary.

>>30815115
Name one type Normal hits super effectively

>>30815111
It's important to note psychic is literally weak to the most common coverage moves of knock-off, u-turn, sucker punch. Good luck finding a situation throw a psychic in, unless it out-speeds its dead next turn.

>>30815138

>typical normal attack has 150 bp

Everything that doesn't resist it

>Rock

>>30815138
>Dragon only hits dragon super effectively so it must be pretty bad

>>30815221
>typical normal attack is giga impact

>>30812902
It's not the worst type, it's just the most irrelevant type now. They shouldn't have made fairy type super effective against psychic.

>>30814026
Flying is one of the best types

>>30814775
okay but literally all of those are megas and legendaries

>>30814935
Those are good though, just not smogon OU good.

>>30815338
sorry, super effective against *fighting* dammit

>>30812902
I have to agree, which is awfully sad. Honestly I wish they would do away with dark's immunity to it and make sense out of why it's good against fighting and yet not normal type.

>>30815203
That's not the only problem. It generally has to rely Focus Shit/Miss to try and make up for its immunity to Dark types. Luckily some of them do learn Fairy type moves as well.

>>30815265
Dragon is shit offensively though

>>30813991
>caterpie used first impression

>>30815420
Kek. I'm pretty sure that'll do neutral damage considering Bug is not very effective against Fairy types.

>>30815420
>Priority
>Psychic Terrain

lol

If we're ignoring legends and megas, goth loli, Reniculus and Alakazam are all viable.

>>30812902
>when Lele exists

>>30815493

>gastly used lick

>>30815410
It's bad on non dragons kinda like normal. You aren't going to consider it the worst type due to that, though.

>>30815557
>lele used confusion

nice counter kid.......

>>30815410
you're so wrong. Having almost full neutral coverage means you can just throw draco's and outrages out and know you're going to do damage once steel/fairy mons are gone

>>30815632
this
retards forgetting about the outrage spam filled meta before fairies

>>30815632

you can say that about any type though

>Having almost full neutral coverage means you can just throw overheats and flare blitzes out and know you're going to do damage once water/rock mons are gone

Ice is worse

>>30815739
you forgot dragons and other fires

>>30814775
All of those are good in spite of their typing. They'd be better with almost anything else.

Psychic typing is a hindrance. Some types are so good that you use a mon because of its typing. Psychic isn't like that.

> Mega Zam

Would be ubers with any other type. Good because of its stats and ability. Held back by its meh offensive coverage.

> Mewtwo

Same. High stats, movepool, etc.

> Mega Metagross

Fast Steel type with an insane combination of speed, power, and bulk. Psychic typing helps it deal with Lele and its Fighting weakness.

Jirachi is a bulky Steel type, Mew is bulky and has options for anything, etc. etc. etc.

These mons were all made with Psychic typing being a balancing factor. Try finding a non-Psychic mon that has crazy-good traits like these do.

>>30816435
That sounds impressive until you consider ice types have literally not one pokemon anywhere as powerful or useful as Psychic types. At least you have viable options as psychic types, There is only one (1) good ice type, that that is Kyurem.

>>30816563
Weavile and Mamoswine.

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>>30816435
mega fug

>>30816563
weavile is pretty good

>>30812902
>Psychic is undeniably the worst type in the game right now
But anon type null exists

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>>30816654
>implying null isnt the best type

>>30816729
I tried

This the worst thread I've seen in a while, so many clueless idiots speaking their mind on things they don't get.

>>30817244
>Calls many of us clueless idiots
>Doesn't explain shit

Come on man, you're not helping your case

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>>30812902
i still love my waifus

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>>30812902
Why you talking shit?

>>30817244
retard

>>30812902
>Ice type

>>30814935
>if it's not OU it's trash
Every time.

>>30815111
What is psychic immune to?

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>>30812902
>Psychic is now old and busted

How the mighty have fallen they deserve it

Psychic should have gotten prankster immunity ree

>>30816563

You're missing the point. GameFreak have a habit of making bad Ice types. It's a powerful offensive type, so they hold back, you could say.

Psychic is a bad type, which gives them freedom to make crazy-powerful Psychic type mons. There's a reason that half of the Megas and 680 BST legendaries are Psychic types.

isn't it dark types
they got nerfed in 6 gen
also they have no gym
and the trial don't count as gyms... on technicality

>>30819364
Darks one of the best types. They weren't even really that nerfed in gen 6 since the new fairy weakness was balanced by the steel losing their resistance to dark types. And then dark types actually got buffed this gen with the prankster immunity.

>>30812902
You're seriously trying to say this when we have a CLICK PSYCHIC TO WIN mon right now?

>>30822283
So Ice types mon aren't completely shit because Weavile and Kyurem-W exist? Got it.

At least Ice coverage is largely desired in a Pokémon; now go say the same about Psychic stab. You might want to carry it against Mega Venusaur but that's about it, really.

>>30812902
>right now
Was last gen as well
Name one Psychic or part Psychic Pokemon which wouldn't rather be Fairy instead. Protip - you fucking can't.

>>30822337
Weavile's existence doesn't singlehandedly enable Ice spam to exist as a serious playstyle.

>>30821157
>>30822283
You know fully well that lele's saving graces are the free Fairy typing and terrain wich makes its Psychics NUKES.

What a stupid thread

Rock is one of the best offensive types
Grass isn't a type for newcomers, their strenghts aren't usually in spamming some attack
Psychic may not be overpowered but it's fucking fine, plus lele
Ice is still king of shitness, at least it got aurora veil

>Rock
It has exactly one unique advantage in 50% SpD boost in Sand that lets it carve a niche for itself (see Tyranitar), but otherwise it's really lackluster. Four resistances of average-to-questionable quality and five weaknesses that frequently turn to double weaknesses with other type combinations make it pretty bad defensively. May seem offensively godly when looking at the typechart, but all its common moves have low accuracy (physical) or meh base power (Power Gem).

>Bug
STAB U-Turn for momentum grabbing while dealing considerable damage to things that don't resist it is a huge niche in itself and it synergizes really well with Steel, Fighting and Ground (tfw Flygon isn't Ground/Bug), making for great bulky and offensive pivots (see Genesect, Scizor, Pheromosa for Bug/Fighting variant, also experiments with Bug/Steel Jirachi which is a straight upgrade from Steel/Psychic). Normally lackluster, but has a solid niche.

>Grass
It's shit on paper both offensively and defensively, but being a countertype (resistance and SE) to both Ground and Water is a niche in itself. Also Spore, which is Grass's sorta-exclusive move. Overall small niche but it's there.

>Psychic
Also shit on paper, its niche being hard-hitting special attackers with Psyshock to get past special walls, and preferrably a synergetic secondary STAB for maiming physical walls.

>Ice
Everyone knows how shit it is defensively, but glass cannons don't care about their defenses (unless facing supereffective priority) and Ice STAB lets them murder a wide range of Pokemon.

All five are flawed to different degrees but not to the point of being directly crippling if a Pokemon's other qualities play to their strengths instead of trying to cover their weaknesses to no avail. Also people claiming Normal is anywhere near bad have no idea how to play Pokemon.

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>your favourite pokemon is two of the worst types