>Injectors destroyed any chance of pokemon become an E-Sport.

They ruined it by making Game Freak invent the pentagon.

>>30807360

It's fast and easy and you can customize the Pokemon you want to your exact specifications without having to acquire various breeding materials. That's why people do it.

>>30807395
So, there is advantages

>>30807496
No advantages in battle dumbass

Breeding is gay as fuck

>>30807593
E-sports are even gayer. Who fucking cares at this point? The only other retail vidya franchise that beats Pokemon in popularity is GTA. E-Sports usually doe and fade away to obscurity at some point. Pikachu and hisband of 800+ niggas are fucking immortal.

>>30807593
No wonder the jews are winning

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>People ARE still surprised at people cheating when Pokemon isn't meant to have a serious competitive scene

>>30807360
It saves them time and effort.
An injected Pokémon has no advantages over an equally trained legitimate Pokémon.

>>30807917
It has nothing to do with how "serious" it is.
Breeding and EV-training is simply boring and I don't want to do it, especially considering that many pokemon can't lay eggs.

Why do they even bother using actual games?

Why not just use a simulator like smogon?

>>30807360
Laziness

>>30808039
Graphics.

>>30807918
Except for the fact that it actually exists. Legitfags can't realistically obtain legendaries with the same IVs injectfags can create. Even if they could, the limit of one per game prevents experimentation. Therefore, they have an advantage when it comes to Pokémon that actually matter such as Celesteela and Tapu Koko.

>>30808106
>Legitfags can't realistically obtain legendaries with the same IVs injectfags can create
Yes they can, it just takes more effort to get one.

E-sports and Youtubers are the fucking cancer of this generation.

>>30807360
They might be the only way Pokemon could become an esport. League of Legends didn't get big because pros spent 2 days soft resetting their champions to get the right stats. No CSGO player spents hours riding his bike around in circles for hours to hatch a fucking gun with good stats.

>>30808106
>what are bottle caps
Yeah no, you don't get that excuse anymore.

Because Game Freak will never find the solution to hacking and Nintendo will never find a way to secure their console.

>>30808093
Graphics take too much time and is a hassle
you should just go full textmode
cause fuck playing a game right

>>30807360
Pokémon is more like Chess really

>>30808258
Chess casuals gotta learn to carve their own pieces by hand or else they are spineless faggots

>>30808196
>genwunner is now a buzzword stamped on breedingfags
this has gotten way too far

Fuck off Verlisify

>>30808258
With the random chance your rook gets FRZ.

>>30808282
>you're not a real chess player if your pieces are store bought

>>30808258

>QUEEN IS OU SHE NEEDS TO BE BANNED
>LOL WHY ARE YOU USING PAWNS GET BACK TO PU
>a-anybody got a shiny Japanese Bishop to trade for my Rook?
>IMPLYING WHITE ISN'T BETTER THAN BLACK
>POST MORE QUEEN PORN

>>30808249
Text based pokemon sims were great. Graphics are overrated.

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>tfw had to inject for clothes
I don't even care about injecting mons, why the hell can't I take off my Mega/Z Ring and hat in XY, or get red clothes in Moon?

>>30808188
Lol players actually have to grind till level 30

>>30807360
>>30808017

Its the same with TCG.

I just buy counterfeit cards. No way in hell I'm spending $30-$70 each on a shaymin ex card.

What's the difference if it plays out the same.

>>30808322
>IMPLYING WHITE ISN'T BETTER THAN BLACK
This is literally true though. White is the objectively superior choice in chess.

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Literally Hidden Power. This is a massive advantage genning assholes have and wont admit to even though it's one of the most commonly used attacks in move sets in competitive play.

Also, that shit where some members of the competitive scene will use injectors to change their Pokemon EVs around during tourneys between matches when it would be literally impossible to do so for someone who plays the game legit because of the battle box lock.

But all this is beside the point which is that GENNING IS CHEATING and a shit ton of the community is trying to legitimize it's use within the tournament scene. Which is ridiculous and removes any chance of Pokemon being treated as a real competitive game. Thanks for screwing us all over you retarded ass casual fucks.

>>30808295
This

>>30808347
Do they make the well enough that you won't actually be caught?
Seems a lot riskier to do than injecting pokémon which gives pokémon that are 100% identical to the real ones.

>>30807360
Pokemon can't be an E-Sport when reaching the skill cap just results in an overglorified game of Rock-Paper-Scissors where RNG is the sole deciding factor of who wins.

It's really no one's fault but GF's for not moderating this shit properly. They are essentially, if not directly telling people that this shit is fine as long as they don't break certain rules.
It's essentially baseball before they cracked down on roids.

>>30808333
You can inject clothes?

For the first time, i regret not having hacked my 3ds.

>>30808345
Fair point, but I would consider the leveling portion to be similar to the main story of a pokemon game. More of an intro/tutorial until you get to the endgame.

>>30808394
Rock-Paper-Scissors tournaments can be pretty damn intense, mind you.

>>30808106
This was true and my main compliant, flawless one per game pokes that others simply can't get, but the bottle caps have made it a non issue. You can get a flawless legendary just by scyning the nature and waiting to get a bottle cap. It really doesn't matter that much, outside of saving time. They aren't any better or worse to face then anyone else who has flawless pokemon, regardless of how they got them. Half of my flawless/almost flawless are from wonder trade, and while I think they are breed rejects, they could be hacked. It really doesn't matter, I got them via a random trade feature, and they work in battle spot. Hacking didnt effect the meta or e-sport viability. The meta is "bad" because its not meant to be a chess match, its meant to be random rock paper scizors chaos with strategic thinking involved.

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>>30807395

It's a game about building stats to their highest potential through hard work. One of the main aspects to the competitive scene should be the raising and breeding of the best Pokemon.

You might as well just take something like League of legends and just give some people the ability to skip the leveling part of the match and just go right to team fighting.

You can say "it's not really hard to breed it's just annoying and takes forever" but if it's boring to do then you'll have a hard time doing it making it a challenging part of the game. Cheating to "skip the boring part" is a poisonous environment for a competitive scene.

It would be different If Pokemon was more action oriented like a fighting game or League of Legends where both game tournaments make sure you have all the characters and in leagues case runes and rune pages. Competitive Pokemon is interesting because you get to see the power of well trained perfect stat Pokemon but when you know almost everyone is cheating for those "perfect teams" why would anyone watch an event? Breeding and raising is part of the players skill in the case of Pokemon.

I think Nintendo and Gamefreak need to work harder of their competitive scene.

>>30808411
Yeah, in X and Y you could inject every clothing option (which can be obtained normally so it's not too big of a deal), and also inject to take off the hat, Mega Ring and change your face to look like the Battle Maison friends.
In Sun and Moon, you can use it to get all dye options and version exclusive clothes available at once, which is pretty convenient since you can only have one dyed version of an outfit and getting exclusive clothes is extremely tedious for no reason. You can also take off the Z-Ring and Trial charm.

why don't injectors/genners just play showdown or whatever it's called?

>>30808494
Resetting the game to get the correct nature and EVs on your Legendary is cheating, you should just use whatever you got on the first try.

>>30808521
Because i like the graphics and playing in my local VGC tournaments is fun

If breeding wasn't so awful, people wouldn't do it too much. They already made EV training fairly tolerable in gen 6 and 7. Why does breeding have to still be wasting time making your character move around in a circle for hours? And no pelago doesn't help.

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>>30808567
>Resetting the game to get the correct nature and EVs on your Legendary is cheating, you should just use whatever you got on the first try.
>Resetting the game to get the correct nature and EVs
>Correct nature and EVs
>EVs

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>>30808295
>mfw listening to Versilify autistically freak out over beast ball porygon

>>30808494
While in League the match starts in a even-level playing field where you can modify your Champion's build accordingly based on the other team in a limited amount of time.

While in Pokemon you're bringing your pre-built Champion that you had a "infinite" amount of time to make.

WHO THE FUCK CARES

>>30808567
It's really not cheating. Maybe if you had to use some exploit to work around auto-saving. But Pokemon doesn't use auto-saving and deliberately lets you save at your own leisure. It's just using a built in function of the game.

>>30808667
I care

>>30807380
Which only just encourages more hacking.

GF is retarded.

>>30808628
It is kinda retarded that you can't do it yourself. The neon grid fits the VR pokemon too well.

>>30808494
If Pokemon tournaments began where every competitor had to start from scratch and breed and EV Train each of their Pokemon during the match, then yes, you can compare League of Legends to Pokemon. Even then, breeding in of itself is just RNG while you can just buy upgrades in LoL.

>>30807360
>E-Sport

I fucking hate that term.

Won't somebody please think of the children?

>>30808698
Can i go online with a Beast B all Porygon?

>>30808424
>>30808394
https://twitter.com/iamjoonlee/status/808415700905787392

Yes, I know it's a twitter post, I can't find the video anywhere else.

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>>30808494
>Breeding and raising is part of the players skill
>RNG is skill

Don't they specifically say you won't get in trouble for using altered pokemon as long as they meet restrictions in official tournaments now? Seems kinda fucked up lol. Might as well acknowledge breeding is tedious and that people need a work around.

>>30808745
The game has a massive amount of RNG in it anyway, you Mongoloid. Or are you one of those people who shits all over themselves to declare a match a draw when someone beats them because of a crit? Are you afraid of sand you basic bitch motherfucker?

>>30807360
>>Injectors destroyed any chance of pokemon become an E-Sport.
Uh, no. Nintendo did that all by themselves.

>>30808774
They don't explicitly say it. The rules still clearly and obviously state that you can't do shit like injecting and if you're found out they'll throw you out of the tournament. The tournament scene and the competitors seem to be the only ones who say shit like that.

>>30808808
Your point being?

Nice strawman, by the way.

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>>30807360
How does "injecting" have anything to do with the fact that pokemon streams have trouble breaking 2,000 viewers?

I think that had more to do with the half-assed attempt at balance and the meta always ending up centered around the same 6-7 mons.
If GF didn't half-ass nerfing and buffing and maybe considered monthly balance patches, I think people would take this shit more seriously. Instead we get a nerfed Gengar and Talonflame, a BUFFED Aegislash and they call it quits.

>>30808707

I was comparing a competitive Action game to a competitive non-action RPG game to explain what it would be like if people did in League of Legends what they do in Pokemon. Pokemon is a different game and breeding and resetting to obtain the Pokemon you want is as much a part of competing with others as gearing and leveling is in League of Legends.

>>30808808
Usually either I knew I was about to lose anyways or my opponent accepts I would have won if it wasn't for the crit.

>>30808853
The point being that RNG is a massive part of the game. It is literally an integral part of the game and most of you faggots can't handle it. Maybe pokemon just isn't the game for you if you're terrified of RNG, because RNG is a huge fucking part of this game whether you like it or not. And trying to argue that cheating is good because it gets you around it is ridiculous, you may as well just not play the game. Go back to showdown you scum.

>>30808910
You probably only made it that far into the battle thanks to a fair share of beneficial RNG. They had that crit coming.

I don't like injecting but I'll gladly accept shit like Japanese 6IV Dittos
Please give me more of them

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>THIRD DAY IN A ROW WITH AN INJECTION """""""DEBATE""""""" THREAD

>>30808948
Fourth

>>30808916
???

No one in this thread was complaining about the RNG in Pokemon.

>>30808745
This post was refuting the fact that RNG equates to skill. And the entire point was to discredit Pokemon as an E-Sport because rolling a dice is not the same as being skilled in Dota or League. All you've done was help to prove Pokemon just boils down to luck to help further emphasize the point Pokemon can't really be an "E-Sport."

don't games like DOTA run a fair share of RNG too? and people take those seriously.

Card game have a lot of RNG aswell

>>30809032

People take video game competitions seriously?

>>30808188
Yes, but in Pokemon you don't have to have steady hands to aim quickly and accurately or have fast reaction times. So tell me again how comprable these two games are again? It is like holding an Olympic sprinter and archer to the same standards.

>>30809032
The RNG is very small in Dota when compared to game changing crits, flinches, status, and missing in Pokemon.

>>30809056
Only during anime conventions
And only if you are 16 years old

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>>30807360
We've talked about this every day for 4 weeks now.

The general consensus is that if you have time to care about people creating pokemon that are not different in any way from a totally legitimate pokemon, then you need to get a fucking job and a life. Yes it's "cheating" technically, but it doesn't make you a good battler and doesn't really give you any advantage over someone who also has perfect pokemon, whether they rode a bicycle for 20 hours to get them or not.

Nobody fucking cares dude. Get a fucking life. There is no room for animosity in our community. Just be happy that there are good battlers out there who are having fun! I don't care if their pokemon came from a 20 hour bike ride or from a computer program! We should all just have a sense of community as battlers and pokemon fans.

Also pokemon as a viewer sport was dead in the water when GF released a game that runs like shit and then Nintendo hired the shittiest fucking commentators of all time to do the first big tournament. They also should have pre-recorded the battles and made them run at least 1.5x faster than real-time because that shit is fucking BORING to watch.

don't like injections?
don't inject and stop whining about what others do.
sageru

>>30809123
Well, injections actually affect me in a negative way.

>>30809106
>The general consensus is that if you have time to care about people creating pokemon that are not different in any way from a totally legitimate pokemon, then you need to get a fucking job and a life.
You aren't wrong, but isn't it kind of sad for a franchise if spending more time playing the game is seen as a waste of time, instead of an enjoyable endeavor?

>>30809173
>but isn't it kind of sad for a franchise if spending more time playing the game is seen as a waste of time, instead of an enjoyable endeavor?
No. It doesn't matter.

If you enjoy the grind then do the grind. If not then don't. Either way don't judge someone else's decision.

>>30809104

See, that's the impression that I get. But there are people here who talk as if professional gaming is actually a thing (outside of niche websites and South Korea), and I just don't understand that.

>>30809197
You said yourself that anyone with the time and attention span to spend on shit like tedious breeding needs to get a life.

I'm not placing the judgement on the individual player, but on GF themselves for making the official means to create a competitive team so undesirable.

>>30809235
>You said yourself that anyone with the time and attention span to spend on shit like tedious breeding needs to get a life.
No, I said if you sit around making gay threads about judging people you need to get a fucking life because you have way too much fucking time on your hands. If you like to breed so much then start a project instead of starting a fucking retarded thread on boards.4chan.orgs/vp/ for no purpose other than to divide the community. I never fucking said that breeders are wasting their time. I'm a breeder myself and I never inject. The difference is that I don't care. We need to stop discussing this like it's an "issue." It's like having threads about spilling milk every day ad infinitum. IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!

>>30807360
>Pokemon could become an e-sport
>Ever
Lol no.
Game is too luck based for that.
And we're talking about Nintendo.

>>30809343
then y you postin

>>30808353
Now that the IV judge thing on the PC shows 30IVs as well as 31s hidden power breeding is easy as fuck. Especially after January when we'll be able to import N's Pokemon from BW2. I've already bred 3 perfect hidden power Pokemon with very little trouble.

>>30809385
Because we have the same discussion every day for 5 weeks now! I am tired of seeing this thread! I am tired of a divided community!

1 dumb furry faggot single-handedly made half the community hate the other half! There is not reason to be this way. We've forgotten we all like pokemon and we're all fans. That's something we can all understand and be proud of.

>>30809374

Poker is a viable competitive event, and that's far more luck-based than Pokémon. (I also use that example because a video game is far more similar to a "mental" competition like poker or chess than an actual "sport" like football or basketball.)

>>30809068
Yes, that's why those games are e-sport material and pokemon isn't, and won't be ever.
Unless they make a moba pokemon or some shit.
I'd play that tho.

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I'm way too busy nowadays to actually spend hours upon hours on breeding. Injecting only saves time, nothing more. Everything you can do injecting you can also do it legit.

>>30809444
>Because we have the same discussion every day for 5 [years] now!
Fixed that for you.

>I am tired of a divided community!
Then you are probably in the wrong place. This place is always figuring about one thing or another.

>>30809449
But poker isn't a sport.
And what could you mean by 'viable competitive'?
The only reasons you ever see any poker on TV etc is because so much money is at stakes, literally nothing else.
People don't look at a poker player the same way they look at an athlete, or even a chess player.

>>30808916
I'm going to keep genning and there's nothing you can do about it

>>30809534
You bring shame to your family

>>30807360
>injectors

KEK

you mean Gamefreak.

>>30809343

It's not about "liking to breed" Almost nobody wants to sit through the tedious breeding or soft resetting process but the fact that some people cheat to get around it ruins the balance. You can't just "skip the boring parts" it's part of the process. Cheating is not part of the game and it's an advantage normal players don't have. The time it takes them to breed or soft reset is time not preparing their strategy or practicing against other strategies.

There's not much skill in pokemon but there is strategy to it.

>>30809578
I doubt my family cares that i "cheat" in a video game

>>30809515

Well, I think that's exactly my point. Pokémon is not a sport (nor is any video game). It's a mental game, not a physical one. And by way of comparison to another mental game (poker), the public has shown itself to be willing to accept significant elements of chance in determining whether a game is worth paying attention to.

All I'm really saying is that the elements of chance aren't reason for it not to be a successful "e-sport" (a misnomer if I've ever heard one). There may be other reasons, but the element of chance isn't it.

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Does anyone else ever get the feeling that genning scum are just trying to hide the fact that they have no idea how to breed? Like, don't get me wrong. I'm sure there are tons of them who know how to but are just terrified of spending time on the game, because they're casual as fuck. But I sincerely wonder how many of them just straight up can't. Has to be a number greater than one, right?

Also, the argument about how breeding takes time and they want to have lives outside of Pokemon or they want to work or whatever. How is "Then stop playing Pokemon" not the immediate go to for that. It's fucking ridiculous. If you want a social life, I'm amazed you play Pokemon at all. And if you're job takes up too much time for you to play, then maybe you just shouldn't be playing the game, holy shit. Choose one, morons. Cheating is not an answer.

>>30808916
>B-B-But RNG is a big part of the game! You faggots can't handle it! Fuck this gay earth
Grinding won't ever be a redeeming point in any games, however many times you retards try to force it.
And people that 'likes' the grind doesn't make them right about that.
It's fine to force the grind for a pve game.
It isn't if you try to make it somewhat competitive.

>>30807360
>Injectors destroyed any chance of pokemon become an E-Sport
Good, E-Sports are shit, fuck off underage

>>30809602
>ruins the balance
In such a minuscule way that it doesn't matter.

All the guys who compete internationally are VERY well connected and many people legitimately breed their pokemon for them. Even if their connections didn't PKHex at all, they would still get all of their pokemon handed to them for free.

Breeding is also extremely easy and only takes about a week to do. The guys who are traveling internationally simply don't have time for that week of breeding, that's why they get their pokemon traded to them by friends. Sometimes they don't even realize their friends have used PKHex.

Nah I'll keep genning thanks, stay mad furfag

>>30809683
Fuck i meant to reply to
>>30809623 I'm going to off myself now

>>30808494
My opinion, right here

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>>30807360
do you?

>>30809620
Meh that's your point of view.
Those games that actually require skills and hours of training (or korean blood) are sports.
But pokemon or chess isn't. Even if you need to think so much and use your brain and mindgames blabla, point is, anyone with enough time in their hands could become 'pro' at pokemon. It's literally experience and luck.
But not that many people could actually become pro at CSGO or starcraft, or any moba.

>>30809534
Well fuck you then. I hope you get caught and banned from online play and tourneys for the rest of your life, scum.

Also, I hope you're proud knowing you have to cheat at a children's game to play it properly because you're terrified of the learning curve and the fact that you may need to sink time and effort into it to get results you worthless faggot.

>>30807360
> When entering a link/online battle, all stats are maximized ala Hyper Training.

There. Everybody happy. Literally zero reasons to inject(Unless you are REALLY lazy) and you can skip the "bullshit" This also let's you keep HP IVs should you want a specific HP.

I just fixed this entire "issue"

I breed because I like monster raising games, raising/breeding strong monsters is half the fun for me. But I don't give a toss about people who gen so as long as the mons are legit

>>30809106
Reddit-tier post desu

>>30809729
I am proud and i won't get banned
you seem upset, bad day?

>>30809173
RPGs aren't meant to be competitive. Gameplay is completely based around number crunching and chance.

>>30809729
o my

one day we'll round up all you injectors and put you into camps

>>30809623
>F-Fuck, they're responding with logical arguments, what do I do?? OH let's call them retards!
Just stop.

>>30809748
>having any good traits resulting from human empathy is reddit xD

your post is reddit. trying so hard to fit in that you'll call anything reddit. that's very reddit, wouldn't be surprised if you're a refugee from there.

>>30809725
>Meh that's your point of view

No, that's pretty much an objective fact. Video games aren't "sports," hands down. They're a different category of competition.

And there's nothing wrong with that. It's not an insult to say that a video game isn't a sport. There's nothing inherently superior about that word, just as, say, baseball isn't inherently superior to chess.

To be honest, calling video gaming an "e-sport" just reeks of desperation to me. It paints the industry with an inferiority complex, and frankly, prevents me from taking it very seriously. Pro gaming should embrace its status as a mental competition rather than a physical one, and stop pretending to be something that it isn't.

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The only reason anyone is even complaining about injecting is SPECIFICALLY because of the guy that put Porygon 2 in a Beast Ball. That is the only way anyone knew that injecting was outright being done as opposed to always being assumed to be done. Every argument that has nothing to do with Balltism is completely facetious. I will say, that this is completely Gamefreaks fault. If they didn't want people to inject, then they should wise up and stop making breeding so obtuse, fucking fix their shit ass Hidden Power mechanic that is complete dogshit, and realize that next time that if they didn't want to have people use Beast Balls on non-Ultra Beasts then they shouldn't have made the Beast Ball animation raw as fuck

Almost everything that comes out of a Beast Ball looks cool as shit and the Porygon line fits the aesthetic perfectly. Fuck anyone who says any different I would legit put everything I had in a Beast Ball if I could.

The answer is always balltism fags

>>30808236
can't bottlecap a different nature

>>30809862
HOLY FUCK SYNCHRONIZE AND THEN HYPER TRAIN IT IDIOT! I'M A LEGIT-FAG AND EVEN I THINK YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID

>>30809862
Can't bottlecap to be slower than your partner or something you want to tank either.

>>30809806

I always thought they called it e-sports to attract the normies that wouldn't understand if you didn't say "lel it's like a sports competition bro no big deal"

>>30809806
>That's a fact
Based on your point of view.

Noun
sport (countable and uncountable, plural sports)

(countable) Any activity that uses physical exertion or skills competitively under a set of rules that is not based on aesthetics.

There you go, it's literally sport.
Good try tho.

>>30809844
>7 gens
>still no way to change a mon's ball
I really want them to implement something like this but I know they'll just ditch it in the next gen

>>30809844
>then they should wise up and stop making breeding so obtuse

Oh fuck off, breeding is easier than ever. You're just lazy. End of the discussion.

>>30808677
>pokemon + darkest dungeon-level autosave frequency

i'd play it

>>30809806
I sort of agree with you, I think the problem comes with games that require more than the mental though. When you need fantastic reflexes to compete it can't be grouped with chess anymore.

>>30809929
It's still not as easy as it should be, it's either make it as easy as genning or fix the fucking hack check system somehow

>>30807360
1- 6IV Ditto purchasable via BP
2- Bottlecaps purchasable via BP
3- Unlink HP from IVs
That's it, that's all they gotta do

>>30809623
>>30807360
Speaking of now that my finals are done what pokemon should I be injecting and giving away this evening?

>>30808188
>No CSGO player spents hours riding his bike around in circles for hours to hatch a fucking gun with good stats.

I wish this was the case. That sounds hilarious.

>>30809886
synchronizing is a glitch

>>30809998
that and create anti-bottlecaps that put IVs to 0 for ultimate min/maxing

>>30808188
what if you had to train your pokemon like smash bros amiibos and when it came to game time you could only give them simple commands and it was up to the ai

>>30809929
It still takes longer than hacking you fucking dip, where do you think this conversation was going? If they want less people to inject then there needs to be an actual incentive not to, outside "B-b-b-but cheating is WRONG"

It makes no sense that it takes a generation or 2 of egg hatching to get 6IV perfect Pokemon even if you use a legit 6IV Ditto with a Destiny Knot. This doesn't even include the absolute headache it would take to even GET a legit 6IV Ditto in the first place (bottlecap shit doesn't work which is the most retarded thing ever what in the fuck). All of that shit is a fucking horrendous waste of time

>>30809893
Holy FUCK you just soft reset. It's not fucking hard. I fucking spent an hour to get a modest HP Ice xurkitree and also 2 hours to get a brave 0 SpE buzzwole. It's NOT fucking hard.

>>30810051
That's 3 hours i could have spent studying or shitposting on /vp/

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>>30809998
>>30810042

>>30809894
That's my guess as well.

>>30809896
>uses physical exertion or skills
Um, yeah, there you go. Physical vs. mental, right there. I'm not sure why you're using this as an argument against me, as it supports my point pretty well.

>>30810077
It's also 3 hours you could have use to fucking kill you'reself faggot

>>30810051
that's nice

But does it have a 0 attack IV?

>>30809956
But WHY should it be easy? Jesus. This game is first, and foremost, an RPG about catching and raising monsters. The competitive side is a fucking afterthought. This isn't an E-sport focused game like SF for example. Or Starcraft or whatever.

They shouldn't just make it easy to please some lazy fucks.

"B-But I have a LIFE!"

Then maybe reconsider playing Pokemon competitively.

>>30810092
Killing yourself doesn't take that long

>>30809998
>>30810042
Just make it so that bottlecaps are easier to find, the Hyper Training mechanic ACTUALLY changes IVs (meaning the whole nine yards, stats can be breed down, Hidden Power changes etc) and actually let us see the physical number to let us adjust PRECISELY what IVs we want so we don't have to fuck around with Hidden Power mechanics ever again

>>30810077

>studying
>in mid December

Tell your school not to have finals so fucking late, shit.

>>30810096
True. You could get the xurkitree and then kill you'reself.

>>30807360
>E-Sport

Cringe thread?

>>30810105
What use is a xurkitree if I'm dead?

>>30810091
Dude, he means games unlike pokemon in which you need physical skills

>>30810095
There are goals of multiple levels of difficulty for grindan fags, if that's what you want to do. You can complete your pokedex the legitimate way, you could chain or try for shinies, and breeding still takes some time especially if you want to make egg moves and such.

I think the ultimate solution though is to just stop caring when people gen. who cares.

>>30810116
Put the 3ds in your coffin

>>30808345
Considering it's a game where you have to play for hundreds of hours to be considered not complete shit at it, i'd consider grinding till level 30 to be a good way to weed out the shitters.

>>30810091
>Can't understand a simple sentence
>Still tries to argue about whether e-sport should be sport

>fill in a form of what Pokemon you want (with EV, IV spreads, nature's etc)
>get a QR code you can scan on site that puts that team in your battle box
There i just fixed VGC

>>30808345
And that's why, among many other reasons, League of Legends is a joke game for faggots. The more you know.

>>30807570
There are still advantages autismo.

>>30810144
At least i get to use that xurkitree in the after life

>>30810126

In what sort of video game do you need physical skills? The ability to think and react quickly, sure. But "physical skills" doesn't mean clicking a button, it means running or throwing a ball. Just because a physical motion is required to carry out your mental decision doesn't make it a sport.

Maybe Dance Dance Revolution (is that still a thing?). Beyond that, I just don't see the argument that any video game is a sport.

>>30810199
Like?

>>30810199
Not where it matters sperg.

>>30807360
Too bad OP's parents couldn't breed a successful child.

>>30810210
>"physical skills" doesn't mean clicking a button, it means running or throwing a ball
This is not the definition of physical skills, it's your headcanon. You're dismissing reaction time and handwork

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>>30807360
>Pokemon
>e-sport
>People still think a game reliant on RNG can be a sport

>>30810210
People call Chess a thinking sport too retard. Wanna take it up with Chessfags about how they're retards too?

Stop being this anally devastated over a fucking term. Turbo-autismo

>>30810199
>inb4 "time spent breeding is time not getting battle experience"
>not testing a team on showdown with one hand and breeding with the other
I'm a breedcuck and i still think that argument is full of shit

>>30810210
>Physical skills doesn't mean clicking a button
Well, actually it does.
You're just ignoring the second part of what makes a sport a sport.
Competitive skills.
And if you're telling me that pro gamers don't have 'skills' or less skills than other athletes then..
I don't know what to tell you anon.
Stop posting tho, you're embarrassing me.

>GameFreak doesn't want people injecting a 6IV Adamant Huge Power with Legal Balls and Legal move sets
>Makes getting the same Azumaril a task of:
>Getting a 6IV ditto through legitimate means (which has a 1 out of 887,503,681 possible IVs)
>Getting a different Azumaril to breed with said ditto
>Get breeding items from the battle area, where you also need decent IVed Pokemon to efficiently grind
>Running around hatching eggs after getting the right tool legitimately
or
>Not get the tools in the first place and decided to grind a specific rare item and grind each Pokemon to level 100 if they have the correct nature (You can't even do this if you want a specific Hidden Power or want the Min IVs in Atk/Spe)
Then
>Feed all your Pokemon vitamins you have to grind, play a minigame that's usable once per day, and then do SOS battle on a specific Pokémon (and good luck if you want something in between 0 and 252 for EVs. You gotta count them individually)
>All that effort to have the same or slightly less of a chance to win the actual battle because the opponent was thinking about strategies while you were breeding
And GameFreak still wonders why people ((((cheat)))) their games.

comparing chess with pokemon, thats you best joke till now /vp/, 10/10

>>30810238
If they injected OP into the world would be better.

>>30810255
Okay, again, I don't think that's the sort of "physical skill" that a sport uses. It's incidental to the main feature, which is mental. Being able to play the piano faster and more precisely than someone else doesn't mean a music competition is a "sport."

>>30810281
I would say they're wrong as well, yes. It's a game, not a sport.

I have to say again, I just don't get this rabid desire to be called a "sport." Why do you care so much, that you need to twist the definition of the word? There is literally nothing wrong with being a "game" rather than a "sport." Hell, you should be proud that it's a primarily mental competition rather than a primarily physical one. Like I said, it just seems like an inferiority complex, "look, we're a sport too!" You're not, and that's perfectly okay.

>>30810455
>into the sun
Fixed.

>>30808282

You're not a marksman unless you mine your own iron and carbon source and create your own gun from scratch.

>>30810471
>Being able to play the piano faster and more precisely than someone else doesn't mean a music competition is a "sport."
But playing piano requires physical skill, playing piano is also not generally competitive

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>>30808628

>Giving him views

>>30810471
>you should be proud that it's a primarily mental competition rather than a primarily physical one
You keep saying that..
Are you a manlet anon?
Is that why?
Did you get bullied by athletes when you were young?
You can tell me

>>30809623
I know how to breed. I bred a few 6IV mon back when 6IV ditto weren't a thing yet. People don't want to do it because it's a fucking chore. It's literally rolling a dice, and hoping you get lucky. When I finally got a 6IV, I wasn't happy because I got it, I was happy because I could finally fucking STOP.

>>30810471
> just don't get this rabid desire to be called a "sport." Why do you care so much, that you need to twist the definition of the word?
That is simply put, the closest term we can define professional gaming as given the set of skills required to compete. It's nothing more or less.

>>30810471
Sports are usually games too you know.

>>30810534
I'm so confused. I'm the one arguing that video games aren't sports. Shouldn't I be the "jock" picking on the "nerds" in your scenario?

>>30810547
You gave a great alternative right in your post. Why not just "pro gaming?"

>>30807496
It saves time. It won't help you win a battle.

>>30810615
It is called pro gaming, and it's also called e-sports

>>30810608
Name one sport that's not a game.

>>30810650
Exactly. We have a great term already in "pro gaming." We don't need the inaccurate "e-sports."

>>30810660
I don't know, is swimming considered a game?

>>30810687
Well, people used both. The world isn't going to accommodate to you. We can call baseball a game and a sport.

>>30809729
>children's game
>learning curve
>sink time and effort into it
Literal autism.

>>30810687
But it is accurate.
You just hate the term because that would mean you're actually practicing a sport and that would make you closer to the people you hate.
Stop being so autistic anon and accept it.

>>30810210
>Just because a physical motion is required to carry out your mental decision doesn't make it a sport.

I guess shooting isn't a sport either now.
Thanks Captain Autism for setting the record straight.

>>30809162
No they don't, shut the fuck up

>>30810722
Of course the world won't accommodate me. Maybe the term "e-sports" will catch on, in which case there's nothing I can do about it. But for the moment, I can certainly say why I think it's wrong, and hope that it doesn't catch on. It's still pretty early in the history of the concept, so we'll see what happens.

>>30808017
Breeding is easier than ever. However i inject for hidden abilities. Its j7st too annoying to get them.

>>30809741
This.
It puts everyone on a level playing field, and doesn't affect Hidden Power.

People will still cheat to get a team full o f shinies, but that's a pretty pleb-tier thing to do anyway, so who cares about them?

>>30810807
Can we make button mashing a sport?

Because swirling a stick around is a fuck ton less engaging than firing a weapon.

>>30810841
>and hope that it doesn't catch on

You're a little late for that, there's already a couple venues in California called E-Sports Area and they're expanding.
The E-Sports idea is already a thing.

>>30809862
Oh noooooooo
Now I have to look for one specific thing. Beats looking for fucking 7!

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>implying using an online calculator to check your pokemon almost exact IVs is any worse than injecting
>implying manipulating the IV system in any shape or form isn't cheating even through means such as breeding
>implying using "legit" perfect IV pokemon vs casuals who only know type matchup and what's op in battle spot isn't cheating

The only way we ever found out about IVs was through manipulating the game in some way so at the end of the day all of it is cheating

>>30807672
>retail vidya franchise that beats Pokemon in popularity is GTA.

You mean Mario. And actually I'm not even sure if that's true.

>>30809623
>And if you're job takes up too much time for you to play, then maybe you just shouldn't be playing the game
Except genning lets me do both. Stay mad :^)

Why do people forget trading is a thing?
You can just ask someone who's MMing for a hexaperfect Pokemon and they'd be fine with giving you one because they have twenty of them already.

If we only have a few spare hours a week to play pokemon why the fuck wouldbt we want to spend that time battling instead of breeding?

>>30811130
YOu can't change nicknames

>>30811385
Ask them to name it for you before trading. It takes like a minute to do.

>>30807672
>This is what the average /vp/ user believes
Hot damn

>>30807593
How breeding can be gay if gays can't breed? Check mate atheists!

>>30807360
this: >>30811179

>>30807380
>must buy a shitty 3DS app to get the best legendary on the game
>fucking HAs can't be passed by males
>Dream World grindy as fuck to unlock new areas

Blame Game Freak, not us. Gen 5 was absolute shit for legit players.

>>30809226
Well Street Fighter was on ESPN this year..

>>30808394
You can tell the noobs from pros when they think that RNG is what decides matches between two equally skilled players.

Pokemon is a game of guts and risk management. Luck is secondary to that.

>>30811557
Gen 5 was fine for people who actually traded.

>>30811636
Traded for what, those hacked Drought Vulpix?

This is like thinking you're legit while using a traded, hacked 6IV Ditto.

>200 posts
I can picture EXACTLY what the arguments being flinged around all thread are, down to the order. Same thread every time.

Fuck that. But Pokemon being an RPG destroyed the chances of Pokemon becoming an E-sport. WoW Arena is sort of an e-sport because Blizzard forces it hard, but even then every player gets the same character (per class) with the same gear set and stats, meaning there is no aspect of the competition that relies on a huge artificial barrier of entry unrelated to the actual match, and in essence the RPG part of the game is removed when it comes to official PvP (in-game casual PvP still has gear affect your stats, but with every expansion they make it less and less of a factor even then)
In Pokemon, by contrast, you are expected to generate and reject your characters until you get the one with the good stats, and then to grind that character up with the right moves and methods, to then have the "privilege" of NOT having a statistical disadvantage right out of the gate.

Pokemon will never be an e-sport, and the more people force it to be the more blatant this hacking issue will become, and the larger the elephant in the room of how NOT suited for a competitive environment the entire game is will become.

Only by removing the RPG part entirely can a semblance of competitiveness be born, see Showdown.
Game Freak either introduces an official system of rental mons for competitions (both events and laddering), or all of these issues will just increase and the hacking question will become more and more ugly until people finally realize that it's unsustainable to treat Pokemon as a competitive game.

>there are no advantages injecting
>there are people readjusting teams midtournament

>>30811835
>Implying the few speak for the many

>>30811859
#notall

>>30807360
>E-Sport
pure cancer

Sup Hacking Meta General! What are we injecting today bros?

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>>30811835
>>30811859

The normalization of "acceptable" (lol) cheating in the first place legitimizes that kind of cheating. After all anyone who speaks out against cheating in Pokemon is just Verlisify.
Give people an inch and they'll take a mile, especially when they feel protected by the community when doing so.

Of course now that shit is hitting the fan, NOW all the cheating advocates are going "wait a second, I think this is too far".

>>30811972
Because injecting isnt bad. Like an anon said above, if you like breeding, go ahead and do it. For people like me, who just want to battle, and have had to breed until recently (Didnt start injecting till SM), its a useful tool.

The problem with "too far" is that it ruins the reason why people started injecting in the first place. As a time skip. You still had to know how to use your pokemon, and battle accordingly. You brought what you made/would have bred.

Adjusting in a tournament is a shameful act, as that is more akin to cheating. Youre using something harmless in a malicious way -- to gain an upper hand you didnt otherwise have.

>>30811962
6iv italy dittos for wondertrade, as well as some shiny palm trees

>>30811688
Are you implying it was impossible for someone to get a HA Vulpix from DW and then breed them with the 75% female rate they have?

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Do we have to have this thread every fucking day? I hate cheating don't get me wrong.

>>30812322
Unless it stops being an automatic 225+ replies then no.

>I just want to buy lot of new, expensive stuff but I don't want to work

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>>30807360
>TIME
I have tests to study for, friends to hang out with and a boyfriend to fuck I already bred most of my pokemon in XY/ORAS if GF thinks I'm gonna do it all over again they can fuck themselves

>thinking Pokemon would ever become an esport if it required hours of RNG breeding to get into

lmfao

No. PKHeX is why Pokemon is even remotely considered an esport today.

If GF knew what was good for them, they'd purposely leave an exploit in Gen 8 so we can keep on PKHeXing.

>>30807496
Not exactly. Its really just cutting out the tedious part and jumping straight into the action. "Trimming the fat" as I like to call it.

The end result is the same, so why does it matter how you got it?

>>30811111
Checked

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>>30811120
Got him

>>30812284
I'm implying that trading doesn't guarantees legitimacy.

>>30807360
>E-sport

maximum cringe, that aside as long as the pokemons injected are legit there's not a single advantage when it matters aka on the battlefield so stop whining about something already quite pathethic

>>30812468
if pokemons were real, would you have sex with them?

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>>30812563
I normally thought Pokephilia was weird, but then they made Tsareena and I just HAVE to know what her puss tastes like

>>30812563
I don't know what that has to do with anything but I fuck only dudes bro

>>30812602
Eat the fruit she's based on?

>>30812649
Where in the FUCK would I get a Mangosteen in the US senpai?

Competitive battling is about the battling aspect of pokemon. There's just no reason, if you want to play competitive, to waste time with tedious mechanics that aren't a part of battling when an easy alternative exists (unless you are a spectrum case like OP).

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>>30812602
>>30812645
>not wanting to get penetrated by garchomp

>>30812738
>not wanting to penetrate Garchomp

I bet you're a faggot who doesn't like that Rough Skin puss

>>30812557
Legit mons were easier to identify back then because no one would actually trade something legit with 5 or 6 perfect IVs. Even 4 perfect IVs weren't common for trading.

These days, I wouldn't have noticed the 5 IV Turtonator I got from GTS wasn't legit if I hadn't gone to the move relearner and seen it could learn all four of its egg moves.

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>>30812762
all puss is fine

Pokemon is literally the only "competitive" game where cheating is not only encouraged, but where cheaters actually have a massive superiority complex over legit players and actively brag about cheating and about how they don't play the actual game.

>>30812930
>cheating is encouraged
>cheaters have a superiority complex
>brag about not playing
Don't mistake shitposters on vp for the majority of the community

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>>30812657
Ordering it online onii-senpai

>>30812930
Cheating is encouraged because of how unfriendly the in-game process is to the player's time. From what I've observed in the previous threads, it appears that non/anti-cheaters are in fact the party who has a superiority complex. The injectors/cheaters in these threads either shitpost for the sole purpose of angering anti-cheaters (Because you're making it very easy to troll you) or they don't care, and say "to each their own."

>>30813042
Ray Rizzo and Wolfe Glicke have both gone on record stating how they didn't didn't know much about the actual game, with Rizzo not actually knowing why a Dream Ball Aegislash is impossible, something that your average /vp/ shitposter would know.

>>30813075
Legit players should have a superiority complex, because they're not being cheating shits. Cheating of any kind should be punished immediately and severely by the community, and Pokemon is probably one of the only competitive communities that does the opposite.

>>30812322
It's a general thread at this point. We call it Hacking Meta General /hmg/.

>>30811962

>>30812788
That was the easiest gen to RNG abuse, you could hit seeds so easily compared to gen 4 that there was no excuse to NOT do it.

>>30810512
what is adblock

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>>30813116
>Insulting the people you're arguing against without an actual rebuttal
>Advocating banning and game-locking of people who use third-party clients to create Pokemon that can be obtained in-game and whom don't hurt the meta
Don't even argue that it discourages people from playing the Battle Spot, thats where children go to play against people for 3 matches before putting the game down and never picking it up again, something that would have happened if there were fair players or high-level trainers. Go get a drink senpai, sit down, and do something else. Don't get angry with people over the internet, its not healthy.

>>30813267
All i hear is
>cheating is okay!
Anyone caught cheating should be permanently banned and game-locked.

>>30813312
>Anyone caught cheating
Too bad any injector worth his salt knows how to avoid this in their sleep.

>>30813409
>Dream Ball Aegislash
>Beast Ball Porygon
>tons of injectors are so retarded they don't even know simple shit like compatible balls, stuff they would know if they played the game instead of cheating

>>30813434
That really upsets me. Why not just put everything in pokeballs? Balltism in a tourney is so incredibly retarded.

>>30813434
>Any injector worth his salt
Those are two examples out of hundreds breh.
I inject all the time, but I do think if you're not smart enough to cover your tracks you should get banned

>>30808457
>The meta is "bad" because its not meant to be a chess match, its meant to be random rock paper scizors chaos with strategic thinking involved.
FUKING THIS

>>30813434
>tons of injectors
>lists only two examples

Do you stretch before you reach? Again this isn't even a complaint about injecting, you're whining about balltism shit. I agree, that GF should give us Ball customization already and that it's not fair that you can't get Porygon in the Beast Ball legit unless you hack even though it fits the aesthetic perfectly and looks cool as fuck.

This thread again?

I really don't why pokemon players can't just quit their jobs and drop out of school so they can just breed pokemon all day. A new player thinking Adamant wasn't the best choice and they should've gone with Jolly after testing and having to repeat the chump change of 20 hours to fix that mistake is a really engaging learning experience. Forget that actually battling is the fun and important part of a fucking competition, they should have to spend 10 hours minimum to fix their team if it doesn't test as well as they planned out.

>>30809436
what's special about N's pokemon for breeding? are they guaranteed to have a specific IV set?

>>30810313
You dont need a 6iv azumaril anyways moron, if its a physical attacker, leave out special attack, if its a special attacker, leave out physical attack its not that fucking hard. The only reason you need a 6iv for anything other than a mixed attacker is breeding and autism

>>30810199

>spend a gorillion hours breeding/training
>spend 5 minutes to inject
>same
>exact
>result

where's the advantage other than lost time? and don't use the steroid comparison, fucking false equivalent if there ever was one. I want to hear real drawbacks of injecting.

>>30808494
the competitive starts when the battle starts. in LoL the building is part of the battle, in pokemon it isn't. Kill yourself.

>>30816958
realistic access to hidden power

>>30811049
>I can kinda understand the first one.
>The second ones retarded because thats a feature of the game.
>The third one takes the autist cake though "You're better than me at the game so thats cheating" fucking git gud kid.

i'm just waiting for pokemon to become cloud-based

>>30808745
I'd consider agreeing with you but a massive amount of the community apparently thinks that using the easily manipulated RNG is TOO HARD.

>>30817136
>Using the easier than ever breeding system is too hard for cheaters
What fucking crybabies, its not hard if you're not autistic.

>>30816958
If I breed pokemon I can feel better about losing to someone who's better than me by claiming they cheated when they actually beat me fairly in competition.

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>ITT: /vp/ tries to be experts in competitive

kill yourselves.

USING CHEAT CODES OR HACKING THE GAME TO GET EVERY CHARACTER IN A FIGHTING GAME IS IMMORAL, STREET FIGHTER WILL NEVER BE COMPETITIVE UNTIL CAPCOM BANS THESE FUCKS USING PRE UNLOCKED GAMES AT TOURNAMENTS, PLAY IT THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED YOU FUCKS IF YOU WANT THOSE GUYS YOU GOTTA WORK FOR THEM.

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>inject a perfect ditto
>use it for breeding

Am I making you fags more or less mad?

>>30817180

>MUH PRIDE
>MUH FEELS

I said advantages not fee fees.

>>30807360

Yeah, because viewers care about which player spent more time being an autist.

If GF wanted Pokemon to become a real e-sport, they would just allow you to build your mons like in a simulator and go at it in 6v6 singles instead of the stupid doubles 4v4 format