Why is ORAS hated?

>>30804075

They're based on Gen 3 and Gen 3 wasn't good to begin with.

>>30804075
It's a meme

>>30804075
That's what happens when you place your expectations too high.

>>30804075
Remember, OP: "Hated by /vp/ and nobody else".

>>30804075
Oh, let me guess the entire fucking thread with one response.
>muh battle frontier
>muh removed mini games
>muh simplified contests
>X and Y were really good guys, I swear just wait until gen 8 and you'll all say the same about S and M
>who cares I didn't use it
>it was comfy :^)
>Zinnia was complex, you guys just don't get it
>Delta episode was well written
>it's okay for a game to be bare bones, be grateful for what you have
>it was a remake of Ruby and Saphire, not Emerald :^)
Feel free to add your own.

HGSS set the standard for remakes. Rather than improve upon and update RSE they spent their time making mega evolutions and primal forms.

>>30804124
This, the main problem with ORAS is it was placed at Hoenn.

>>30804360
Who are you quoting?

>>30804075
They're mediocre

>>30804075
It isn't. Top selling remake. It's improvement plus 26 new Pokemon forms.

>>30804075
After finally having trainer customization in X/Y, going back to Brendan/May wasn't good enough for me. X/Y spoiled me.

>>30804075
I loved it and Littleroot Town theme makes me cry. RSE wasn't even my first game.

>>30804075
because /vp/ is full of contrarians. That's why they love B2W2 so much when it sold the worst out of all the games

Despite its problems ORAS gave every character a better design upgrade. Yes, every character
except for Brendan because he skipped leg day
also the ost was cash

>>30804124
Why is Hoenn the worst? I never understood this, the region had some non-linearity, a ton of secrets and places to explore, and generally usable Pokemon.

>>30804144
I'm glad someone managed to channel their autism in such a concentrated form so I didn't have to read a whole thread. Seriously.
>ORAS makes XY obsolete competitively, therefore ORAS is obsolete now because the next game won't have an ORAS patch.
>No 3D
>Delta episode was leaked, so I wasn't excited when I played it in game.
>No competitive contests.
>Post game legends aren't a fucking pain to get.
>Dexnav is bad
>He actually said this

>>30804686
gen 3 came out when the kids who grew up with the first games were teenagers who thought they were too grown up for pokemon as a result they have zero nostalgia for the games. IMO Kanto is the worst, completely flat with some of the worst town designs in the entire series (Fuschia city comes to mind)

>>30804623
exactly i cant finish bw/w2 the story and pacing are so shit. oras are good games

>>30804144
This image is such garbage and it only takes away from how awful ORAS was.
>Dexnav is bad
Gets me everytime.

>>30804686
It isn't. It's one of the best. You are being memed

>>30804977
r/s were still the highest selling gba games but over 3 million on the 2nd highest game. it created new pokemon fans

>>30805048
Imo Emerald is the pinnacle of the series and I started with Red.

>>30805025
>BW's pacing is shit

What did he mean by this

>>30804686
I thought Diamond and Pearl were the worst. I don't judge Platinum with Diamond + Pearl though.

>>30804686
I don't believe it's the worst. It's just not as exciting to play through as the rest for me. Same goes with Kanto by itself.

>>30804144
So, nothing of importance was bad.

>>30805082
I actually thing Gen 4 as a whole was terrible even with HGSS bringing it up. Playing through Platinum wasn't fun.

>>30805129
Shittiest taste desu. Gen 4 was what got me hooked back into pokemon after being tired of the franchise throughout the gba era.

>>30804262
this guy just abused his mod powers lmfao

>>30805164

This. Gen 4 was fantastic. Gen 5 almost killed it for me though. Had to skip B2/W2 because of how fucking awful it was.

>>30805076
Indeed, Emerald had a great story and the best Battle Frontier, no other post game single player comes close.

>>30805129
I just hated how limited teams felt in DiaPearl. You know it's bad when you have a fire-type elite four member and his team consists of Steelix, Drifblim and Lopunny.

>>30805082
Really? Gen 4 is probably my favorite, It got me back into Pokemon, got me into competitive, has a lot of my favorite mons (even though most of them suck) and had the G/S remakes, which were my favorites before.

>>30805189
B2/W2 were amazing m8. I'll admit B/W were a little rough around the edges but the sequels are well worth playnig.

>>30805164
Gen 4 was what got me sick of it until Gen 5 came up. I just don't understand the appeal behind it. The games all run slow, the pokedex is complete and utter trash regardless of Platinum's expansions, and HGSS despite being my favorite of the gen still retains certain issues from the originals.

It's just not a good gen imo

>>30805198
Because the only new Fire types Gen 4 brought were the starter, Magmortar and Heatran. Gen 4 was a fucking catastrophe when it came to type balance

>>30805207
I loved Platinum and HG/SS butI just think Diamond and Pearl are the worst games from that generation and arguably the entire franchise depending on how much nostalgia you carry for the original RBY.

>>30805227

I really hated the region and the characters, I don't see how B2/W2 would have been any better because I would have been re-playing the same fucking game with the same fucking gym leaders and characters, except they all got haircuts or changed their clothes.

>>30805276
Fair enough. That's a good reason to not like it. If someone told me they loved platformers but hated Sonic the Hedgehog as a character, I wouldn't suggest to them to play Sonic 2 or 3.

I don't want to say I hate it, but I did wish Rayquaza could have had just a primal reversion, and maybe more Megas for Hoenn Pokémon and not random shit like Audino? Idk the whole generation and the way mega evolution was executed was stupid. Y'all are stupid -Guzma

HG/SS was a Gold/Silver remake and it included stuff from Crystal too, like the Suicune event.
OR/AS could have at least added the Battle Frontier, but no, an exact copy of X/Y Battle Maison and to top it off, a fucking cocktease Battle Tower hologram in the area what should have been the Battle Frontier. That was just a big middle finger.
A DLC would have been cool too, even though Pokemon never did this before.

>>30805244
If you asked me 10 years ago, I wouldn't know whether the game run slow or not. I only really noticed that after gen 5 came out. Also the main reasons, for me at least, is because I loved Sinnoh as a region and I found HGSS to be the best remakes thus far.

However the most major reason is because it created a huge online community revolved around pokemon and wifi battling. And the competitive was so much fun back then. I think the last 2 years of gen 4 were the most fun I have ever had with this franchise, even more than my initial experience with RBY almost 2 decades ago. And I've never managed to recapture that initial beauty of wifi battles. Now the game's full of broken shit, numerous legendaries all across the scene, everyone's completely autistic about 6IV perfectmons, injecting and whatever bullshit.

>>30805385

Nintendo really should have figured out how to stop hacked mons online. Cheating is fine for singleplayer, but don't bring that garbage into multiplayer.

>>30805385
>legendaries, 6IVs, injecting
You know all that shit was around back then, right?

>>30805385
I agree with all except for the first part. I was really into RSE and when DP came out I could physically feel my attention span getting shorter

>>30805385
>everyone's completely autistic about 6IV perfectmons, injecting
That was present back then too though. I think you might be looking at it with rose-tinted glasses or something.

If you didn't think DPPt ran slow after playing the gen 3 games then you yourself might be a bit slow.

>>30805420
>legendaries
No gennies, no tapus and whatever the fuck gen 6 brought.
>6IVs and injecting
Yeah, I know all that were obviously there back then. I played every day back then. But you could easily get away with non perfect mons, you could get away with a mon that had 2 or 3 perfect IVs and not even a fully optimized to the point EV spread. And also pokegen and pokesav were much, much more contained than injecting is. But more importantly, people weren't autistic about any of those, that's what I said.

These days you must get that 5-6 IV perfectmon and
>just inject it.
I don't care if you cheat your pokemon in or not, just don't be a total autist about it. And at the end of the day, the meta is just not as fun as it used to be for me.

>>30805510
>If you didn't think DPPt ran slow after playing the gen 3 games then you yourself might be a bit slow.
DP were obviously slower, but I wasn't bothered by it to the point that it annoyed me. Except the surf speed, which platinum fixed thank god.

>>30805603
>new legendaries after a decade since DPP
I brought Azelf and Heatran on every team, I know a fuck load of people used Suicune online. Different legendaries are used now than back then. Crocune was a cancer back in the day like Genies are now.

>getting away with non 6ivs
You could get away with it as much then as now, you just didn't notice it. I wrecked people who didn't have 6IVs now, nothing has changed

>>30805603
>you could get away with a mon that had 2 or 3 perfect IVs and not even a fully optimized to the point EV spread
You can do this as much now as you could then. It's just a whole lot easier to do legit now.

>People still shitting on Gen 3

RS were shit but Emerald's top tier. The Regis are still the best legendary trio

Gen 3 was so bad they spent 10 years trying to fix it and it still didn't help.

>>30805768

Haha, nice meme man. Have a (You)

>>30804075
They're good games but bad remakes. This is an important distinction.

If I only played RS and play ORAS, will I enjoy it? I really loved RS but never got my hands on E.

>>30806361
You should enjoy ORAS a lot. And honestly, even if you had played Emerald, you would still have enjoyed ORAS a lot, unless you had some serious OCD, or some special attachment to the Battle Frontier or Game Corner.

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>>30806361
It's worth it for seeing the RSE cast again (with some much needed extra personality injected into them) and hearing the new recomposed OST.
Also fighting Steven again is great

>>30806502
>Game Corner
Never used it, seemed like a big waste of times (as anything related to gambling). I just saved money and bought coings when I needed a TM from that place.

>Battle Frontier
Is that Emerald exclusive right? Can't have an special attachment to something I never experienced in the first place.

>>30806585
This sounds pretty nice, I really loved the cast of RS, and the whole story in the first place, felt like the first real adventure in a pokemon game. RB and GSC felt like the whole point of everything was beating the elite 4 and whoever was next with team rocket being there as a said quest that you just couldn't avoid but you would if you could. Magma/Aqua teams really felt like bad guys that NEEDED to be stoped, no matter what.

>>30804144
>Legendary Pokemon aren't hard to get!
>TMs are too hard to get!

All I hear are itty bitty baby tears.

>>30804623
>if it sells well it must be good
retard

>>30804623
So is Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed your favorite games?

>>30805076
I share the same opinion except started with Blue

>>30804075
It was based on Hoenn. It was never going to be good especially when they ignore the least bad game's improvements.

>>30804075
for the same reason I hate RSE, Hoenn a shit

>>30804686
too much water, not even memeing
forgettable gyms and town
steven was cool

>>30804658
I agree, but I honestly felt a lot of the music remixes fell flat. There were definitely good ones in there, like the regi theme and the Groudon/Kyogre theme, but a lot of the remixes lacked something that I can't quite put my finger on. The added music like Zinnia's theme was good, though

>>30804262
>HGSS set the standard for remakes
well, that standard is too high for Nu-Gamefreak.

>>30804144
>No gym leader rematches. Even X and Y managed to do this

Uhhhh... am I missing something?

>>30808465
>too much water
Why do people keep reiterating this point? What's wrong with the surfing routes? I've always thought that was awesome since a huge chunk of the sea routes are optional and lead you to nice hidden areas.

>>30810890
Yes.

>>30810890
They can be rematches in the battle chateau.

>>30805025
Fuckin lel. Found the shittiest tastes

ORAS were better than the originals.

>>30811171
Because you need two HMs slaves for a good chunk of the game. It's worse than Sinnoh.

>>30811637
Nothing will ever be worse than fucking Defog.

>>30811681
I honestly never used it. I always went blind in that ruote and in Coronet.

>>30804075
It stuck really hard to the original games to the exclusion of several very good improvements that have been made since.
However, they also DIDN'T stick to the originals for several very strange instances.

>>30811171
>Why do people keep reiterating this point?
Because needing three (3) HMs and constant use of repels to prevent seeing the same two pokemon for like a third of the entire fucking region isn't fun.

>>30812175
but hoenn is le epic it was my child hood - reddit.com

>>30804075

Because they were disappointments.

We came from a time where since 2009, we were just receiving good generation after good generations. We gave XY the benefit of the doubt because, going into 3D for a company like gamefreak was a daunting task. ORAS had huge potential to be by far, the best mainline games ever, and they dropped the ball in many instances.

Don't get me wrong, there are great things that ORAS did such as Blissey Bases, Dexnav, and an Island for easy breeding, but it also dropped the ball on many cases as well such as no oniine contests (with the contests themselves being further casualized, with one judge and a free pikachu with max contest stats), No Gym Leader rematches when even XY had them, and no replacement for the game corner, with other instances too.

So what I'm saying is that ORAS are mostly hated (here) is because of what they could have been.

>>30805603

None of that has to do with injecting. The reason that Gen 4 was the last meta you enjoyed was because that was the last time Gamefreak tried to balance the game around the singles format. Now they're all obsessed with doubles and just release and make whatever the fuck they want, as long as it isn't "too broken" for doubles, which is why things liek Talonflame got royally butchered, Mega Kanga getting nerfed, Burn/Paralysis (and T-Wave) getting nerfed, status and priority getting nerfed with increased usage in field terrains, and new terrains being created, swagger getting nerfed and confusing getting knocked down to 33% chance.


it's also why Blaziken still has speed boost, and that Gengar can't have levitate anymore.

>>30813152
weird that they care more about doubles for competitive when it's barely used in single player

>>30810890
In XY, you can challenge all 8 gym leaders indefinitely, at the Battle Chatea building. They appear randomly. But they all have only 2 Pokemon each.

ORAS most likely didn´t have Gym Leader rematches because ORAS is the first ever (and and probably the only) game to allow you to make your own Secret Gym, and scan QR codes for 30 more Secret Gyms made by other people. So that´s literally like having 30 daily gym rematches already, so I think they just decided rematching the 8 "ingame" Gym leaders was redundant when we can rematch up to 30 unique fan made Secret Gyms.

Besides, the 5 Resort Type Specialists are basically pseudo Gym Leaders, so there is that.

They based it on Ruby and Sapphire's story instead of Emerald which was slightly better.
The difficulty can't hold a candle to the original. Back then I remember the rival battlebefore Mauville city and Tate/Liza being difficult back in R/S/E but not in OR/AS.
No Battle Frontier.
The remastered OST is bad, too. Muh trumpets when they were french horns.
Also Zinnia.

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>>30804075
You just reminded me that i left the game after zinnia yelled at steven and got stuck because i skipped the dialogue and didnt know where to go and fuck looking it up on a guide.

There's some decent reasons why, but most of it is dumb shit and you won't see this level of hate anywhere else.

This board also convinced itself that there was a 2 year gap between OR/AS and S/M because "it was so badly received they have to do better this time" or some fucking nonsense like that. That's how delusional people are here. The reality could not be further from the truth.

tl;dr: stop listening to /vp/

>>30804075
Hype backlash. I was expecting everything Emerald and got shitty Ruby and Sapphire instead.

Ignore niggers who dislike gen 3

The problem with ORAS:
>easy as fuck
>hm spam
>left out the best part of emerald, battle frontier
>no flygon mega
>post-game is lacking, although post-game has been shit since gold silver
>some of the music is ruined, most is improved or just updated well
>league is 2ez
>league rematch is 2ez
>wally rematch doesnt use wally theme after the 50 victory maison grind

my game made for children is just 2ez =(

everything else is good
delta episode was GOAT

>>30804124
/thread

>>30804977
I'm not a fan of Cerulean City myself.
>the only exits are a tree you can cut, and a hole in the wall of a house

>>30804075

It's a shitty forced meme /vp/ tried to push

Thankfully it didn't take off

>>30804075

/vp/'s eternally buttmad that this game outsold their 'precious' HGSS

>>30816483
>sales means game is good