Is Fairy the worst thing to ever happen to the series?

>>30776995
I'm consistently on the fence about this.

A part of me likes that they added a new type and that it helped to balance out Dragons and differentiate types like Dark and Bug from Ghost and Grass a bit more. It also gave a reason for offensive Steel and Poison moves.

On the other hand, the type conceptually doesn't really have a theme beyond "cute and pink." Why are the Marill and Ralts lines Fairy types, but Gothita or Pikachu not?

It also sort of steps on the toes of a lot of Psychic and Normal Pokemon, and muddies the waters of those types quite a bit. Prior to Gen 6, those were sort of your "catch all" types and now it seems to be Fairy. They bleed together way too much as typings, imo.

Also, Fairy is very centralizing. Does it really need to be immune to Dragon? That alone makes it kind of too powerful. It also is a very tough type to take down defensively. Being weak to Poison and Steel is awesome, but those types don't have the best coverage and there's only a handful of mons that can use them effectively within a moveslot without feeling like it's a wasted spot.

I also didn't like having to teach Steel and Poison moves to my Pokemon or carry those types on my team in SM. I do like both types quite a bit, but it sort of screwed with my Karenfag sensibilities when I had to start packing moves like Poison Jab and Flash Cannon or running Togedemaru/Scizor to make it through the main campaign with all those Fairies running around.

They just need to give it another weakness and make it just resist Dragon, IMO. Maybe make it weak to Normal? That could be interesting.

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>>30776995

No, it made poison/steel a reasonable attacking type and opened the gates for more pokemon concepts


Sick of new legs being slapped with paychic

>>30776995
>Now I think everything with kawaii eyes are fairy types, like alola raichu
>They keep forcing it with the grass type, which is cool and helped some grass types with dazzling gleam, but it has awful synergy with it thanks to 4x poison weakness and it's the only elemental trio to not resist steel

>>30776995

>wants a new type with all the sound, light, cosmic, faggot, type theories and speculation
>actually gets a new type
>waaahhh it's not what I expected!
And you asked why gf stopped caring

>>30776995
Consistent powercreep combined with thoughtless mon and move design is the worst thing to happen to the series.

>>30776995
>No grimdark Fairy Pokemon yet

>>30776995
t.Lance

>>30776995
Love the type, hate most of the designs. I was really hoping for some Scottish unseelie fey type designs because the fair folk are creepy and wrong and other. Instead it's a bunch of cute pink shit. Fairies are a wide spectrum ranging from cute to literal nightmares and so far only one side of the spectrum is being hit.

Outrage spam had to die.

>>30776995
Having it resist Bug was a mistake

>>30776995
Not in a vacuum, no.
But creating a 4 legendary group that are incredible pokemon who also set up special terrain was a bit too much, to the point that the only fighting types you see in Battlespot is Mega Lucario and the odd person running Bewear.

As someone who always loved the Fighting type, I pretty much gave up playing competitive this generation.

>>30777375
Just use assault vest :^)

>>30777135
>Why are the Marill and Ralts lines Fairy types, but Gothita or Pikachu not?

Making anything that looks even remotely cute Fairy would be incredibly stupid.

>>30777135
>They just need to give it another weakness and make it just resist Dragon, IMO. Maybe make it weak to Normal? That could be interesting.
>Also, Fairy is very centralizing. Does it really need to be immune to Dragon? That alone makes it kind of too powerful.

Fairy is fine just make better Poison types.

>>30776995
Megas were a bigger mistake than fairies. Are you seriously underestimating how ridiculous a boosted STAB Outrage is from most Dragons? It takes about zero skill to to win a match with a dragon on your team back then.

>>30776995
I was really holding out for a Saint type. I remember some of the fake leaks pre Gen VI hinted at one.

Imagine a holy crusader Pokemon that smashes Dragons AND Fairies, smites Ghosts, and can't stand up to the power of Poison, Dark or Ice. Might be kind of cool.

>>30777291
>thoughtless mon

What is this?

>>30777313
We'll probably get something like this eventually and it'll probably be Dark/Fairy.

>>30776995
>Made steel even more overpowered
>Made Bug even weaker
>Took a huge shit on Fighting and Dark typs, who weren't even that good to begin with
>Is incredibly overpowered offensively and defensively
>Ruined the concept of a bunch of pokemon by giving them fairy type
>Retarded pink and girly designs, barely any of them are actually on folklore and things like that
>Its fans are the most insufferable people in the pokemon franchise

Yes, Fairy type was a mistake and should be retconned

>>30777580
>Took a huge shit on Fighting and Dark typs,

I remember bitching about Fighting being overpowered in gen. 5 and Dark types are still good. So what's the problem?

>>30777651
Plus we just buffed Dark by giving them innate immunity to Prankster.

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>>30776995

while i understand that they exists i still pretty much hate them since they are some serious gay shit. not so much because they are a dragon counter, that is good, but that they counter dark and fighting. i will never forget the feel when i realised they do quadruple damage to the hydra and the panda bear.

>>30776995
No, gen 6/7 were. Gen 5 could have added it, and people would love it.

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>>30777580
>Took a huge shit on Fighting and Dark typs, who weren't even that good to begin with
Are you talking out of your ass? Dark types are more relevant these days as Steel lost their resistance to them and can now screw over Prankster pokemon. Are you seriously implying that a Thundurus being unable to shut down a Mega Gyradoes sweep is a bad thing? Your so fucking retarded man.

>>30776995
That's not how you spell stealth rocks.

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>>30777135
>ralts line
> Elves
> Fae

Also;
I want creepy Fairy type pokemon! Give me scary fae! Use your blood veins as strings and turn you into a puppet, or kidnap you and take you to my home relm to be tortured for eternity fae. The creepiest fae we have is Mawile and they are more cute than anything.

>>30777809
All other points still stand

>>30776995
I agree a lot with >>30777135
A new type is OK, but there's too many problems.
>It's just the 'cute and pink' type
>Its concept is really just 'fuck the meta' the type
>Random fucking pokemon get the typing
>The nerfs it gives other types are nearly backbreaking
XY *tried* to push 'no really, it's creepy too' with the fairy gym, but everything else they do works against it.

>>30777809
Gen 6 dark was in a bad spot aside from some pokemon that were too good to keep down.
Dark got the buff this gen, and is now much better. Though really, prankster was what needed the nerf.
Ghost is what was, and is, really benefits the most from the steel defense nerf.

So going by ITT, the only reasons why people hate them is because they forced people try harder, and because their designs don't appeal to their manchild sensibilities.

>>30777369
this and only this

>>30777313
>what are the tapus

Best thing about fairies is bringing one out on someone's "badass" shitmon and having them ragequit when you obliterate them.

>>30777313
mawile, shiinotic

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>>30777313
>>30777347
>Everyone forgets about Shiinotic when talking about "unsettling fairies"
What the fuck do you guys even want? Are you just complaining for the sake of complaining?
>>30778028
These too.

>>30777369
This.

Mild bugfag here, should be weak to it. Bugs would probably kill fairies. Or at the least make it neutral and fairies weak to ice.

>people complaining about fairies being to cute and girly
You idiots realise this is not Gen 6 anymore ? It was understandable then, but not anymore.

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>fairy pokemon
>just make it some cutesy shit
I like cute but literally all fairies are basically all pink, smallish, and cute.

Gen 7 gave us some more interesting ones at least. Mimikyu, shiinotic, and tapus are better.

Also mimikyu best fairy.

>>30777843
Came here to post this. Unavoidable hazards are the worst shit to happen to competitive ever.

>>30776995
Fairies literally saved competitive Pokemon by ending the bullshit that was the mono-dragon meta.

Name an ice type in competitive. I dare you.

Give Ice Immunity to Fairies. Just the very least.

>>30778505
Anything can be "unsettling" if you give it red eyes and put it in a spooky forest.

The actual thing is just a goofy mushroom wearing a diaper.

>>30778716
It might as well have turned Mono-Fairy in Gen 7.

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>>30778657
Even if most fairies are cute and girly, Ribbombee is still a 10/10 design. You can't go wrong with a fairy bee fly.

>>30778814
VGC 2017 has a really wide type distribution and basically every single type is currently usable to good success.

Maybe it's a problem for the smogon fags, but they have to accept that singles aren't a supported format. Gamefreak doesn't give a shit about singles, so if something is overpowered in smogon, it's smogons job to fix it.

>>30778814
This. There's like 2 good poison offensive moves, and virtually no good mons that get STAB on them because Poison is one of the shittiest defensive typings AND a mediocre offensive typing. Most fairies have the move coverage to be able to fuck over a Poison-type before they even get a chance to get fucked in return.

Offensive Steel got legitimized by Fairy's weakness, but Poison is still a shit typing.

>>30778987
>Poison is one of the shittiest defensive typings
You mean the other way around? Poison is on pair with Steel, Fairy,and Water when it comes to typings used defensively.

>>30778987
Poison is one of the best defensive typings, you fucking idiot.

>>30779110
>>30779151
>Dies to Psychic, one of the most common offensive-use typings since literally Day 1 of Gen 1.
Who cares how much shit it resists if literally even casuals are going to always have an out to it?

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We need a fairy type pheromosa so the meta is finally cured of its biggest ailments: Salamence and Garchomp

>>30778976
>A good distribution when all the Tapus are flying around on every team.
Even 2 or more if you want to push it.

>>30777407
The problem is that even with Assault Vest, there's usually multiple great fairy pokemon on my opponent's team.

>>30779246
git gud

>>30779229
Pheromosa itself should have been part fairy tho

>>30777885
I will never not want a proper asshole pixie with Fairy/Dark typing and lots of good Prankster moves.

>>30778976
>every single type is currently usable to good success.
Ice.

>>30777375
Bruh my AV conkeldurr feeds on the fairies

>>30779175
Psychic has been the worst offensive typing ever since Dark was released. Afterwards, it was super down until gen 4, when Sucker Punch completely invalidate offensive Psychic types from being used at all.

The only thing that made Psychic relevant now is Psychic terrain and attaching it to Fairy typing.

>>30779275
Indeed, I was just being silly and a weakling! Thanks anon for letting me leave in a world where I can overcome the meta with Conk and Machamp, even if it's just by one post.

>>30777535
You can say the same about a DD Gyarados spamming Watterfall. Dragon-type was never the problem, the 600 BST pokémon were.

Also, topic related Fairy is awful. It's grossly overpowered as a typing and most of the pokémon are just blobs or pink crap. They have a good thing going on with things like the Tapu and Shiinotic, hope they expand on that

>>30779230
If you play more than one Tapu in VGC, your team is bad. This isn't smogon you faggot, you actually have to consider synergy.

I would understand the Tapu criticism if there only was one of them and it was on every team. But there isn't, we got 4 and all of them lend themselves to a different archetype.

>>30777375
>As someone who always loved the Fighting type, I pretty much gave up playing competitive this generation.
learn 2 Pheromosa/Buzzwole you fuccboi

>>30778875
I'd like Ribombee if it kept the proboscis mouth and the honey fly thing Cutiefly had going on. Of course like most fairy-types it just had to go anthro mode. Miss me with that gay shit

Ban legendaries / mythicals from online and tournaments. Problem solved.

>>30779409
Pretty much this, slap poison jab on pheromosa and life orb/choice band and most fairies die to her, even moreso with SR damage

>>30779296
Ninetales literally finished top 4 in London.

>>30779409
Only a literal child uses legendaries and ultra beasts.

>>30779462
That doesn't really solve anything, people would just grab the most overpowered non-legendaries and spam them everywhere. Everything is a centralized as before, only with different faces

>>30779110
he's still thinking in terms of gen i

I gotta say, I give credit to GF for the direction they're going this gen.

>Alolan Ninetales
>Mimikiyu
>Shiinotic
>the four tapus

Good thing they're finally branching out of the cutesy-pink bullshit that was Fairy type in Gen 6. More of those, less of Slurpuff, Aromatisse, COmfey etc, and Fairy-type may actually be worth it

It has no business resisting Bug though, it fact it should be weak to Bug

>>30779502
Only a literal faggot would refuse to use a Pokemon because of their designations

>>30779548
I think gen.6 was a nice way to establish what Fairies are as an introduction (like how the first water pokemon all looked like fish) and now, they can branch out a little and add various flavors to them.

>>30779548
>klefki
>cutesy

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>>30779548
>Good thing they're finally branching out of the cutesy-pink bullshit that was Fairy type in Gen 6.

Y-Yeah.

>>30779692
Did you even read her lore, she's the most cruel out of all of them

>>30777135
>helped to balance out Dragons and differentiate types like Dark and Bug from Ghost and Grass a bit more.

This could've been done without introducing new types.

Dark type was another mistake.

>>30777135
I have to say the problem I have with fairy type is it is dragon type 2.0
>hey we need to nerf dragons because we wouldn't stop making them overpowered as hell every gen.
>2 weaknesses on dragons is two few, ice is pretty bad aside from a few and fighting fire with fire is a silly thing
>new type that makes dragons have 3 weaknesses instead of 2
>make fairy type, a really strong type that has 2 weaknesses that are fairly niche in offensive capability anways and give it immunity from dragon....
>what could go wrong.

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>>30779637
>the first water pokemon all looked like fish

Hi, I'm the first water Pokemon ever made and I'm a fish.

>>30779714
t. Psychicfag

>>30779685
Obviously I'm generalizing, not every single fairy-type before Gen 7 was a pink cute blob (just look at Xerneas), but most of them were

>>30779753
I know. I find it funny that >>30779692 used the same fallacy from the opposite direction, right after my post.

Make faries weak to psychic.
Problem solved

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>>30778987
>Resists Fighting, Bug, Poison, Grass, Fairy, and can't be poisoned or badly poisoned.

>>30779278
Pheromosa is the "kicking" counterpart of Buzzwole though. It was allways intended to be Fighting type.

>>30780252
what if it was Fairy/Fighting

>>30779692
Lele uses her cuteness to fool you, she's actually a big dick. Shes makes use of the "trickster" aspect of traditional fairies.

>>30780325
> Cockroach pokemon not being a bug type
No.