What a fucking disappointment.

>>30747319
*underwhelming

>>30747319
No need to repeat your parents' thoughts, OP.

>>30747319
this is bad bait though like no one agrees

>>30747319
Agreed

>the most linear and objectively handholdely games in the series
>casualization is kicked up a notch even more (for example displaying what moves are auper effective or weak when fighting the same pokemon a second time)
>trials were a step down from gyms
>still easy (only harder than x/y and oras which is barely saying much)
>a lot of the new pokemon introduced were trashmons
>godawful rival
>team skull is a shittier version of team rocket
>pisspoor postgame
>kanto pandering is even worse than x/y
>ultra beasts are a retarded concept and feel horribly out of place in the series


Only upside is the new amount of cute girls.

HGSS and Platinum will always be the best in the series despite their flaws.

Get fucked alolabortions.

>>30747372
There are people who were actually disappointed with this gen though.

But OP's post would've warrant a discussion if it he would just present valid points why he thinks the games are a disappointment, but no, he just said it was without reasons.

>>30747408

Do you think they removed Gyms because too many kiddies got stuck on the gym puzzles?

>>30747457
Not him, but I think not. They were doing for a fresh approach because this are the 20th anniversary games.

However, I felt the execution was flawed.

>>30747408
Postgame =/= new area
There's A LOT to do in the SM postgame, even if there are no new areas. Tapus, UBs, and a lot of random events throughout the region. It really makes it worth it to go back. I bet you haven't fought the school principal.

>>30747664
not really. compared to x/y or oras sure. but it's pretty much catching legendaries/ubs and battle tree. complete shit compared to platinum for example

FESTIVAL PLAZA IS TRASH

>>30747698
Try it out before talking, the world kinda changes. the post game isnt thrown into your face, but there are quite a few new things you can do

>>30747664
Actually, there are new areas.

>>30747698
>implying post-game isn't the same thing of catching legendaries and a battle facility variant
every gen

Even using Platinum as an example of all things. Kek.

>>30747319
Easily the most solid pair of games in the series. My only complaint is that the Alola dex is actually pretty bad.

>>30747408
Gen 1 will always remain the easiest one and you know it.

>HGSS and Platinum
Every time.

>>30749630
>Easily the most solid pair of games in the series
can (you) please stop this bait.

>>30747319
>sm_boxart.jpg
>complain about the game without providing an argument at all
>guaranteed replies

>>30750464
Is calling everything bait the new bait?

I replied, so I guess I can't knock what works.

I liked it overall, but there is just too little things to hold your attention in post game. Festival plaza is a shit grind, battle tree is just the new obligatory battle tower so meh, been trough that countless times already. Ive clocked in 150 hours and done everything so far as I could, including dex.
Im just waiting for bank to release now, even if I want to play again, there is just nothing to do anymore. It needed some extra features that were fun to come back to, like a sort of contest/pokeathlon thing, or just minigames, just small things that made it more fun to replay. HG/SS was full of those things, which made me play it for like 500 hours before I got bored.

Is it just me, or doesn't S&M selling less than 4 million units worldwide seem underwhelming? Of course there is a chance that it can rise during the holidays, but I thought it would sell a bit better considering the rumor of 10 million shipments.

>>30747319
I generally liked SM but for some reason the Battle Tree gets on my nerves the most.

I liked being able to challenge the Battle Maison in Gen VI for easy wins in non-Super Singles when I was tired and wanted to wreck face with my bros without thinking too hard, it's annoying to have to fret and worry all the time after coming home tired from work.

>>30747408
>still easy (only harder than x/y and oras which is barely saying much)
Do you realize that every fucking game is as easy as these with the exception of RBY being easier?

>>30747408
>displaying what moves are auper effective or weak when fighting the same pokemon a second time
That's not casualizing, that's simply streamlining you retard. The game isn't made easier or more accessible by this change, it just saves you the time of looking up the pokemon's types.
>>trials were a step down from gyms
But at the same time they were a nice change of pace. Totem pokemon were fun too. Some of them were actually a real challenge.
>>godawful rival
If by godawful you mean dangerously cute then yes.
>Shitting on team skull
Garbage taste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXe37XCnn-E

Yeah it's a shame your parents didn't abort you.

>>30747319
>low expectations until August
>very high expectations until demo
>very low until game released

Better than gen 6/10

I feel like these will be like DP and Stars will be Pt

>>30752239
DP were fucking trash though. I actually enjoyed SM.

Also,
>stars
Stop.

>>30752164
>it just saves you the time of looking up the pokemon's types.
Kill yourself

>>30752358
Nice counter-argument!

>>30747408
t unovabortion

What did people want for post game?

4chan: Where no one is allowed to have a differnt opinion

>>30752547
>HG/SS and Platinum
>unovabortion

I wonder who's behind this post?

>>30749494
Seriously, there's like five sections of Poni left after the games are beaten.

The disappointment is that all the alola form Pokémon were revealed before the game came out. They have a shit ton of old pokes in this game (which sucks because only like 1/4 of them are new) and they could have given at least 40 of them new forms. There's only like 20 alola pokes, which is stupid considering how alola forms was one of the things they advertised most about this game.

When will Fearow get...literally any kind of upgrade!?

>>30750581
It is kind of annoying that every first pair of games in a gen is like this. It's literally selling us an incomplete game so that we'll also buy the complete ones later

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>>30747408

>the most linear and objectively handholdely games in the series
>what is xy

>casualization is kicked up a notch even more (for example displaying what moves are auper effective or weak when fighting the same pokemon a second time)
So fucking what?
Pokemon is a casual game at heart and you can't deny that.
Competitive is for nerds desu

>trials were a step down from gyms
>implying a room full of trainers is better than a challenge with a totem boss at the end

>still easy (only harder than x/y and oras which is barely saying much)
I prefer not grinding but hey that's just me. I can't deny that it's easier tho

>a lot of the new pokemon introduced were trashmons
Like what? I understand Bruxish but what about the rest?

>godawful rival
If you're talking about Gladion, I kinda understand to an extent.

If you're talking about Hau, you need to stop. Hau is adorable.

>team skull is a shittier version of team rocket
That's extremely subjective.
You have to admit that Skull was extremely memorable though. One of the first teams that really jumped the gun aside from aqua maybe

>pisspoor postgame
Idc desu

>kanto pandering is even worse than x/y
I don't care. the designs are amazing.

>ultra beasts are a retarded concept and feel horribly out of place in the series
I agree to an extent. Xurtitree and especially Celesteela were extremely shitty and weird. The rest were pretty good. Pherosma isn't my favorite but she's not out of place

>Only upside is the new amount of cute girls.
Lies but k

>HGSS and Platinum will always be the best in the series despite their flaws.
GoldSilver/HGSS master race. Agreed. DPP were bretty gud too

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>>30754507
Forgot to add at the end that alola is my new favorite. GS second fave. Platinum third

>>30754507
>If you're talking about Hau, you need to stop. Hau is adorable.

Not really, you just have shit taste. Gladion is the better "rival" in both in battle and as a husbando, even though he isn't actually a real rival (no starter or anything) and has his own backstory.

Hau is weak as hell and would drop you for Lillie in a heartbeat.

every pokemon game is a disappointment when held up to /vp/'s impossible standards

>>30754625
Sad thing is, people here expect way too much from a children's video game.

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>Hau is weak as hell and would drop you for Lillie in a heartbeat.

Hau is a precious upbeat kid who must be protected.

Seriously though I don't understand the "no character" meme. The entire reason he's going through the trials is because of his grandfather. It makes sense he never really explains his motives to you.

>>30750590
Wasn't it the fastest selling pokemon game ever?

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>>30754670
>Sad thing is, people here expect way too much from a children's video game.

I agree with the high expectations part, but saying it's "just a children's game so it's gonna be bad" is retarded.

It's pretty obvious pokemon has a large adult fanbase. Not to mention they're beginning to market to adults with le kantopandering meme

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>>30754699
kek

>>30752164
>>30754507

Holy shit you guys are huge shills. I feel bad for you both.

>>30754740
Nobody, nor did I stated that it should be bad because it's marketed for children.

It's just the insane expectations the others in the adult fanbase has.

>>30747319
Just like your life OP.

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>>30754808
Nice comeback bub

>>30747319
Nah they were good. Just try not to set up super high expectations OP. My only expectation was for SM to be better than XYORAS, which it certainly succeeded at.

They certainly aren't the best Pokemon games in existence but they really aren't bad, especially for the start of a new gen

>>30754836
Don't slander like that, anon.
No one ever expected anything from OP.

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>>30754819
Well by my handy dandy context clues it kinda seemed you were >implying it. My mistake if not.

>>30754837
Thanks. Your mom liked it last night too.

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>>30754859
This. Don't have high expectations. Simple as that

>>30752626
Bump?

>>30754893
I had zero expectations coming in because you know, Gamefreak. Yet I still felt let down.

Gamefreak has really lost it.

Pros:
Story is overall good
Characters are overall very good
More challenging than Gen 6
Mixes up the ol'formulae decently

Cons:
Replayability is hurt due to excess of cutscenes that can't be skipped
Amount of new Pokemon is disappointing
Alola forms idea not used to its full potential
Ultra Beasts relegated to post game story you can catch them, which personally triggers me
Post game is better than XY in ways but also worse in others, sparse for the 3rd main series games in a row
Battle Tree is disappointing

>>30752761
t unovabortion

>>30752626
Mostly people want PWT and new postgame areas to explore with high leveled mons and trainers to grind and find cool new stuff.

Battle Tree and Poni Island attempt this but don't quite deliver

>>30754964
This.

I'm surprised you're not complaining about Festival Plaza, what's your take on that, anon?

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>>30754874
Whoa we /7thgrade/ now?

>>30755026
You're so mad lol.

ITT.

Frogposters trolling frogposters.

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>>30747319
>>>30754893
>I had zero expectations coming in because you know, Gamefreak. Yet I still felt let down.
>
>Gamefreak has really lost it.

So you had expectations?

And high ones.

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Every pokemon game is linear
Every pokemon game has "bad postgame"
Every pokemon game is easy
I've been noticing this common complaint with every pokemon game ever, except maybe BW2 for postgame, which people will still argue with.
At this point, it feels like people will try and spark a genwar at the slightest hint of conflict.
I don't care had fun.
Had fun with XY, had fun with BW2, had fun with Platinum, no stupid thread will take this away.

>>30755132
What a dumb post.

>>30752164
>that's not casualizing

Yes it is you fucking idiot. The game considers you retarded and unable to remember the weaknesses of a Pokemon you fought so it has tell you.

>>30749533
>variqnt of a battle facility

Which still providea more diversity to battling instead of having just the battle tower aka the battle tree.

>>30755310
Yeah I guess smt is casual too.

>>30755349
We're talking about Pokemon, not SMT. Pay attention, kiddo.

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>>30755047
Do I seem mad?

You're really fishing for responses here my dude

>>30755195
My biggest complaints with sunmo is the amount of cutscenes thrown in all the time that feel forced and really take away from the game, especially for the first hour or so when its all cutscenes and you just want to get into the game. Like atleast 70% of the cutscenes in the first half of the game do not add anything to the story and are completely un needed.

>>30755195
The only thing I'll correct about your spergfest is that Gen I and II can both be beaten out of proper squence.

>>30755381
Yeah you are if you're actually desperate enough to defend Sun/Moon.

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>>30755383
I honestly never found this a problem. Probably because I cared about the story, idk. Haven't replayed yet

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>>30755402
Kek what

I've given my reasons and others agree

As far is I know you haven't even tried to respond

Like wtf? Lmao

>>30755428
>Like wtf? Lmao
>>>/reddit/

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>>30755383
Yeah, I've had that problem with the original BW and XY, nothing new at this point though.
>>30755388
>Spergfest
The only good about your post is the dubs.
And I guess, but good luck on using underleveled mons in gen 1.

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>>30747319
>>>30755428
>>Like wtf? Lmao
>>>>/reddit/
I'm high right now don't judge my pal

>>30755404
I just wish they were skippable. That way people who liked the story had them and those that wanted to play pokemon didnt have to sit through them. Seems like a perfect compromise. Like obviously the super important scenes shouldnt be skipabble, but like 70% of them are filler.

>>30755428
You're constantly trying to prove that Sun/Moon are not bad games. That makes you an angry shill.

>>30755349
Smt isn't casual at all and does the same shit. How Pokémon implemented it isn't casualization, it's making it more user friendly since it doesn't reveal shit you wouldn't already know.

This again?

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>>30755466
Agreed. It would be useful if you could just press start and select at the same time or something to skip

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>>30747319
>>>30755428
>You're constantly trying to prove that Sun/Moon are not bad games. That makes you an angry shill.

>>30755026 (Pic related)

>>30747319
Bullshit. Great pair of games.

>>30755550
So angry that you only can reply in form of a generic insult pic and greentexting.

Sad!

>>30752164
>displaying what moves are auper effective or weak when fighting the same pokemon a second time
>That's not casualizing,
Are you actually slow in the head anon?
That's literally what casualizing is. Instead of having to remember the tiniest thing, you now have a program that goes HEY USE THIS MOVE. It's literally one step away from the game beating itself for you.

>>30755645
Except for the fact it only does this AFTER you fight a pokemon and learn its types.

>>30755672
So? You should be able to memorize the type matchups yourself. Kids back in the day did it fine.

Is your generation too stupid or something?

>>30747408
>>30747408
So basically you don't like it because it has the same problems as every Pokemon game? Easy and lots of trash mons. Got it. The trials were fine, it was nice to have a change for once and I'm pretty sure you are one of the few people who didn't like team skull

>>30755738
I still don't get people who complain about this. Like I've already memorized type match ups and I assume the people complaining have as well. So this doesn't even affect you in any way, why complain?

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>>30754507
You know what... I'm getting too old to memorize the type(s) of 800 pokemon. Many of which in no way convey what they are. Stunfisk what the fuck are you?
I welcome the new effectiveness display.
Though I'd probably have preferred if the pokemon's typing was simply displayed instead. That would have been a nice middleground.

Also are you kidding about Team Skull? I think they are the greatest thing since Team Rocket. Literally just thugs. Who would have thought that would be such a breath of fresh air?

>>30755741
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>>30755738
Why does it upset you? Either you know enough about Pokemon to memorize typings, and then the effectivess messages do nothing for you, or you don't, and then they're helpful. The messages don't make your nve moves effective. That's still on the player to have good move coverage.

Type matchups are very basic. They're one of the easiest parts of Pokemon. The game isn't divulging anything of any improtance.

>>30755774
Its the effort that they wasted putting that shitty feature in the games. They could have put in something else more useful but nah lets cater to the dumb kids so they'll have their hands held throughout the entire game.

>>30750590
Well with everyone pirating the game it wouldn't surprise me if this was true.

>>30755774
You can make that statement about any one change, but the issue is that it becomes a slippery slope. One thing is simplified that doesn't really need to be, and then another, and soon we're just playing cellphone games with pay to win options.
It's like when I got some friends whose first moba was league of legends to try Dota 2, and they all said it's too hard and quit. If you keep making easier and easier shit, people adapt to it, and then you can't go back.

>>30755829
That's not how that works. Effectiveness messages probably took half a day of work. You're really reaching here.

>>30755846
You do realize that "slippery slope" is a logical fallacy, right? Literally saying the phrase "slippery slope" invalidates your argument before you even finish saying it.

>>30755827
So in gen 8, you'll be ok with your mons automatically healed after every single battle, wild or against a trainer? Why bother walking to a Pokecenter when we all know what you're going to do there.

>>30755790
How am I being a shill?
i just don't understand why these reasons are valid when literally every Pokemon game suffers from the same problems

>>30755878
You're really reaching with all the dick sucking you're doing for S/M.

You completely missed the point.

>>30747408
>the most linear and objectively handholdely games in the series

You live in a universe were XY exists, so thats already false.

>casualization is kicked up a notch even more (for example displaying what moves are auper effective or weak when fighting the same pokemon a second time)

Who gives a shit? People who play this series for over 10 years already knows the types strengths and weaknesses by heart, it barely changed anything gameplay wise.

>trials were a step down from gyms

God forbide GF tries a new thing, right? Trials had their own flavor and you can find a lot of people here who had a good challenge with then, thats your own personal opinion, not a rule.

>still easy (only harder than x/y and oras which is barely saying much)

Again the "thats too easyyyyy" meme, every Pokemon game is easy, its just a mather of how many grinding you are willing to make.

>a lot of the new pokemon introduced were trashmons

This is true for every generation, not every Pokemon design will hit bullseye.

>godawful rival

"Every rival must be Blue or Silver" meme.

>team skull is a shittier version of team rocket

Most memorable team since Team Rocket and it had far more personality than Team Rocket itself.

>pisspoor postgame
Battle tree, batlle royal, UBs, Tapus, Looker side mission.. oh yeah, thats right "every post-game must have a battle frontier or a second region or they are shit" meme.

>kanto pandering is even worse than x/y

Thats business, the games with the least Kanto pandering were also the ones who sold the less: hello Black and White and Black and White 2. Get over with already, Gen 1 pandering is here to stay.

>ultra beasts are a retarded concept and feel horribly out of place in the series

Subjetive, if you think that its fine, but a shit load of people loved then, so again, not a rule.

>>30755903
It's obvious that you'd say the exact same thing about every new pokemon game. It's like gamefreak can't do anything wrong.

That's called being a shill.

>>30755901

Fallacies are not inherently wrong because they are fallacies. I guess you did not see the fallacy fallacy when you checked wikipedia huh?

>>30755846
I don't really see it as a start to over casualization. It's such a minimal thing that was probably added partially to help when fighting a Silvalley since its colors are hard to distinguish at times. Otherwise it barely affects anything

>>30755940
SHILL
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>>30755930
Your insults don't make any sense, my dude. Probably because you're sucking the SM hatecock so ferrociously.

And you completely missed my point. And you will continue to miss my point until you agree with me.

>>30755966
No, Gamefreak does do wrong. Like removing features from previous games. However, that it not his argument. His argument is about the hames being casualized and easy. Pokemon is and has always been a casual game and easy

>>30755901
>can't come up with a rebuttal
It's alright man, in the future just stick to lurking.

>>30755990
I get your point.

You are bad at most video games so thats why you love super duper easy games like Sun/Moon.

>>30755595
I meant the pic of the post I added. W/e

>>30756010
Ah now you're being a shill too!

>>30755967
Why would I check wikipedia? For the word fallacy? For the slippery slope fallacy? Sorry bub, already knee that shit.

But I like how you outed yourself for using wikipedia for coming up with a retort.

A fallacy is inherently wrong because that's the definition of the word fallacy. You can be right about the outcomes you have predicted, but your logic used to predict them is inherently wrong. As all we have to go on is prediction, what you have said is inherently false.

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>>30755780
You're confused bub

>>30755970
>having the computer tell you which button to push to win is minimal
And it's not like this is the first instance, though it's one of the more significant ones. Things like your rival choosing what pokemon is weak to yours, exp share being for your entire party, etc. The game has already been casualizing itself because bigger player base = more money. For example look to why pokemon go was so successful.

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>>30756074
Hey you took my word, bub

>>30756029
>claiming a statement is intrinsically false with supplied logic isn't a rebuttal

That's about as textbook of a rebuttal as that anon could give. You're probably confused because his argument didn't contain the word "faggot."

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Hey niggers! It's OP here!

I just totally TROLLED all you guys and got you riled up about inconsequential opinions on video games! Umad umad umad eheheheh

>>30756050
Alright, not going to argue with you. I don't think you know what a shill is. There's plenty wrong with these games, like the Festival Plaza being a pain, Pokeamie being even worse now, removal of super training, and the stupid call for help system.

>>30756206
Why would you waste everyone's time like this, you rotten devil?!

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>>30756206
OK then

>>30756142
>angsty preteen so proud he remembered what a fallacy was
It's alright bud, you're on a pokemon forum and you disagreed with someones statement. Then because you didn't like the analogy he used along with his point, you're going to dodge all the relevant information to engage in a simple conversation over a children's handheld video game.
You're anonymous, don't be so afraid.

>>30756209
Damn you're shilling so hard that you're finding obscure things to criticize gamefreak of. I'll give you the wild mons help system though, that shit is awful.

>>30755940
>you live in a universe where xy exists

Sun and Moon manage to be even more linear and handholdedly, with cutscenes every five minutes and a map with icons on where to go. Kys.

>w-who gives a shit that this game becomes easier and casual every gen

>god forbide GF tries a new thing

If you want to replace gyms, replace them with something that is actually good dipshit.

>again every pokemon game is easy

Yet some are much easier than others. Really makes you think, huh?

>this is true for every gen

Some more than others.

>every rival must be blue or silver

No. Just not be insufferable and extremely annoying.

>most memorable team

Team Skull is a ripoff of Team Rocket. Their motives are same in the sense that they only want to steal other people's Pokemon. Again, GF doesn't actually introduce a new enemy team with new motives, this ties-in with the Kanto pandering.

>battle tree, battle royal, catchibg UBs and legendaries

Battle royal is not postgame as you can participate in the facility before you finish the game.

Catching legendaries is a shitty postgame. ORAS' postgame consisted of the same thing alongside the Maison, and it was considered to have one of the worst post games in the series.

Battle tree is the only thing you really have.

When you have games with amazing postgames such as Platinum, BW2 and HGSS then gamefreak should aspire to create better postgames surpassing any previous entry in the series. It has yet to do that and the postgame continues to be massively underwhelming with three games in a row.

>that's business
So is Call of Duty and other trash. Trying to look at it from a business perspective and creating a game that will generate the most sales does not equate to a good game.

>subjective
Watch how it's dropped like a boulder in the next gen just like how mega evolutions were. What Gamefreak did was go "hey how do we introduce a ton of legendaries without calling them legendaries or pokemon?"

Glad I pirated this shit.

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>>30756209
Kek who's the mad one now?

>>30756250
>ansty preteen
Wew. Nice projection.

Would you feel less intimidated if I responded only in memes?

Hit me with some of dem relevant facts, my man. I'm yearning for them.

>>30756275
Um I'm not though. The festival plaza is literally stupid. It's imo made trading and battling much harder(I'm still a little confused as to how it works) as far as I can tell they have to actually be in thier festival plaza to trade and battle. Cab't be doing missions etc . Not to mention this is supposed to be the primary way of getting bottle caps, which have thier own problems (Being limited to level100 when vgc pokemon only need to be 50). Not only that but there's to many once a day things that make it a pain. And yes, cut scenes are a valid point when they make up half the games playtime.
I'm not shilling, I'm just saying that being easy isn't a valid complaint when they are all easy. If any of the other games were hard, and he complained these ones were to easy then fine, valid complaint. Yes, it's a flaw of the series, but you don't go into a Pokemon game expecting a challenge. You do go into a Pokemon game expecting to explore (Cut scenes limit this) and trade and battle everyone you see (Festival plaza)
I can go on, there's more flaws with thess games, but they aren't by any means as bad as OP seems to think

>>30756285
>Battle tree is the only thing you really have.
And it's shit. The AI uses cancer and hax nonstop. Cynthia ended my streak because her Togekiss decided to spam Thunder Wave (a completely balanced move) then use Air Slash + Serene Grace for paraflinching out the ass.

>>30756285
So do you come into a Pokemon(a casual series) and expect it not to be easy or casualized? I got bad news for you anon...that's never going to change and never has been changed.

Not sure what's wrong with trials, better than Gyms imo.

You got me on the Rival and Post game aspects though

>>30756487
>picks out two words again to ignore the rest
You should try to be less obvious with your childish tactics m8. Sorry that you're apparently one of the people they've been simplifying this game over a decade for.

>>30756706
Nice fact.

"Slippery slope" was an apt description of your argument at that point. So no, I addressed the entire argument. I was taking issue with your logic, not your semantics.

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Sun and Moon have an excellent campaign but the lack of postgame leave you depressed and wanted more.

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Totally

Lmao now you are just trying to hard

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>>30756767
You picked out two words in both posts that weren't even what the topic was about. Probably because you never really had an argument, you were just upset at the realization that your favorite game is the result of consistent simplification for sale to a larger audience.
It's kinda sad you're just trying to Trump your way through an argument about pokemon on 4chan. Seeing how you've never given any real rebuttal I'll just assume you don't have an argument against that idea and leave you to it.

>>30756818
>Sun and Moon have an excellent campaign

lol no unless you like handholding and boring, unskippable cutscenes.

>>30756818
just fucking reset the game then, bam, infinite postgame

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>this thread

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>>30756884
I actually don't have an opinion on the argument at all. I was trying to fuck with you.

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le 9gag army has arrived xD

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>>30747408
>Casualization

Casualization? in this super underground indie game called Pokémon, wow.

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Do people who dislike hau even read the dialogue? His sass towards faba made him probably my favourite rival

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>>30747319
said genwunners everywhere

I liked it.

>>30747319
I wasn't disappointed just because I had zero expectations after ORAS.

SM are underwhelming, but they aren't Gen 6, and that counts for more than you would think.

4 > 5 > 3 > 2 > 7 > 1 > 6

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>>30758077
The perfect taste.

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>>30757444
It's mostly just those who hate his personality with a passion. Any other hate directed towards him is either muh Lillie or other petty shit.

>>30758003
Same

>>30758077
I didn't have any expectations either but still somehow felt let down.

2>1>4>5>3>7>6 for me.

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You know one thing that's disappointed me heavily that I don't see get discussed much? The music variety.

The actual songs in the game are mostly good, I have a few new favorites, but I feel like there wasn't enough. The most jarring thing was every random trainer, save for Team Skull grunt and Team Aether grunts, sharing the same music theme. Even in Gen 1 male and female trainers had their own unique themes, with a third for "shady" trainers like Tamers and Rockets, and every gen after has had more.

Plus literally every route on Ula'ula uses the exact same route theme, along with non-route areas like Blush Mountain/Tapu Village/Ula'Ula Meadow also doing that. It was really jarring to me, I don't get why they did that.

>>30758077
>4, 5, 3, and 2 are higher than 7, 6 and 1
perfect taste.

>>30752626
The games most widely praised for their postgame are Emerald, HGSS, and BW2.

Emerald has tons and tons of replayability via the Frontier, possibly taking hundreds of hours to beat.

I personally don't count Kanto as postgame in HGSS (it's just the second half of the game) but even then it has its own Frontier (albeit with less facilities) and Gym leader rematches.

BW2 has the PWT, a single facility that has the most nostalgia possible due to every Gym Leader ever showing up, plus a variety of extra areas to fuck around in.

Basically, people want either tons of extra shit to explore, or they want postgame facilities that can be played over and over that AREN'T a Tower clone.

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>>30755132
Why would I spend my money on something I don't expect to be good? I mean I didn't spend money on SM because of CFW and freeShop but still.

>>30747319
actually the best in the franchise, too bad you're a fag

Everytime a new pokemon game comes out it's usually my favorite one because they almost always build upon previous concepts and create a new one.

It's easy to strawman a game and find something bad about it, I feel bad for people who look at pokemon games and see them as bad because they don't have a Victory road or some shit like that.

There hasn't been a Pokemon game so far I dislike or has been a disappointment.

>>30755504
>it doesn't reveal shit you wouldn't already know.

That's completely wrong. It starts revealing shit after the first encounter you have with it. Even if you just ran away or used a neutral attack on it to KO, it gives you that information.

It didn't hurt my playthrough as much as I thought pre-release because it turns out SM has almost zero new Pokémon and a quarter of them are Legendaries you'll only encounter once anyway so there isn't much to spoil in the first place, but it's still a bad decision and casualization.

SMT doing it is different than Pokémon doing it because SMT overall is a much harder game.

>>30756623
It's not the Frontier if there's no Battle Factory.

>>30758443
>It's easy to strawman a game and find something bad about it
but it's easy to do opposite as well

>>30758818
Yes, but this thread isn't dedicated to that now is it

lmao you fucking retard