CHEATING IS STILL CHEATING NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU JUSTIFY IT

Can you prove that I cheated? :^)

>>30737566
FUCK OFF VERLISIFY

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>>30737566
are blowjobs cheating?

Like serious legit question, are pokemon bred from Hacked iv dittos banned from nintendo tournaments. Not asking peoples opinion but like a legit question is there a flag to this at event as they must run game carts through certain software.

>breedfags butthurt out of their fucking minds that all their hours of grinding IVs and natures have been invalidated

:)

>>30737566
fishfish

>>30737634
Only if you get caught.

>>30737795
no, they are as real as any pokemon

>>30737566
Sauce?

>>30737566
If I hack and no one knows, did I really hack? :^)

>>30737795
No, there's basically zero hack checking. You can use some actual illegal pokemon (beast ball porygon) and be fine, there was one guy that genned his team in the arena.

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>>30737566

Define cheating?

what's going on, i haven't been to this shithole for a few months

>>30737868
Faggot

>>30737822
Ops just a faggot. i can't pkhex but the end results are the same.as long as you're not a jap metafag you're ok.

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>>30737566
Reminder that if you trade for a 6IV ditto, you're no better than a cheater and may in fact be worse.

>>30737871
Nobody needs cheating defined for them you dumb autist, except cheaters who don't want to admit they are doing it and try and call it something else. Your pic applies to yourself.

Um, ok. I'm cheating. So what? What's the consequence of me cheating and why should I care?

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>>30737899
>>>30737566 (OP)
>Reminder that if you trade for a 6IV ditto, you're no better than a cheater and may in fact be worse.
This, getting hackers to do shit and give to you is just as bad and you deserve a permanent ban

>>30737994
>>30737899
This shit is rare, I think most 6iv ditto fags are just hackers that don't have the old firmware so they use dittos, or use them for breeding "safely" since they are worried. I've never heard anyone say 6iv Ditto's aren't cheats.

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>>30737566
Why do you look like a fucking Snork?

I'd never cheat on my Tsareena.

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>>30738287
You should

>>30737899
>>30737994
>>30738036
Yeah, I admit that using a hacked 6IV ditto is cheating, but I just don't have the ability to use PKHex and honestly, it's my autism/weird sense of pride that doesn't let me use it anyway. I'd rather put effort into breeding stuff. I don't have anything against people who hack as along as it's legal.

If I wanted to just hack into existance anything I wanted, I'd play Pokemon Showdown.

>>30738331

I was a Lurantisfag pre-release but after Bouncee there's just no comparison.

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>>30737566
I learned it from the best

>>30737892
Whats up with jap metafags?

>>30737795
No. A well done hack is impossible to check, a pokemon bred from the most poorly genned ditto parent imaginable will still be impossible to detect using relying on the most crusading moralfag, so long as it isn't using an illegal set of egg moves.

>>30737899
Unfortunately, not even you can tell the difference between a pokemon with a hacked 6IV ditto parent and one you bred yourself.

>>30737871
>autism
>syringe most likely with some vaccine inside
i love this image

>>30739704
welp

Instead of hatching eggs you could be getting ripped or exchanging labor for currency.
Breeders are dumb as fuck.

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>>30737566
>hurr durr the pkman has stats you can achieve in-game so it's legal. I just sped up the process of obtaining it

Implying cheaters could master the game if they tried

Why hasn't cheating become illegal already?

>>30737566
Hi Tony

>>30740875
I generally find that cheaters are actually more knowledgeable about the game than breeders because they're actually spending more time playing the core of the game instead of hours in the bike simulator/autism box.

breederfags:
>waaah? Why would I need 0 atk IVs on my special attackers I only need 5 IVs and the attack IV doesnt matter lol!

>>30740875
It is, they just don't care to enforce the law.

>>30740875
>implying biking back and forth for weeks is "mastering the game"
L
M
A
O

>CHEATING IS CHEATING IS CHEATING IS

You just don't like being reminded of the fact that any time and effort put into a video game is, in fact, a massive waste of time unless you're going on to win money

And protip every single one that is is genning their Pokemon

oh god, another one these threads.

why don't you just settle this in a battle, share the battle video and actually prove to people who does indeed have the most knowledge out of playing the game?

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Breeding Pokemon is like grinding loot in Diablo, only it's somehow even more autistic.

>>30741087
No one actually plays pokemon here

>>30740955
I'm curious, why would we need 0 ATK IVs if you aren't using them? Do you mean in terms of Hidden Power?

I just got into competitive play with this gen so I'm not too knowledgeable on it

>>30741134
MODS

>>30741154
to counter foul play

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I love her

>>30741154
Confusion damage and Foul Play

>>30737584
>i cheated
There

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>>30740955
Do you know how long it takes to breed a 5(6)IV pokemon?

10 minutes. And there is no risk you'll ever get punished for it.

When the time comes nintedo gets his shit together, what will you "knowledgeable" people do?

>inb4 play pokemon online with other faggots who have been banned from official games

Well, until they shut it down.


Fact is, cheaters should get punished so the future of digital entertaiment can be saved.

The mindset that: "It's only cheating if you get caught" gotta go.

Call me a moralfag or whatever your edgy pre-pubescent ass tells you to say but, cheaters got to go.

>>30741087
Let's say I fight for the "Hackers"
Outcomes:
1) I win.
>O EM GEE SEE GUISE!!!!!?? ADVANTAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2) I lose.
>O EM GEE SEE GUISE!!!!!?? THEY CAN'T MASTER A CHILDREN'S GAME!!!

There is no winning in this case.

>>30737566
>Cheating is Cheating. You can't say it's only a half
Well TJ"Anon"Yoshi, hear me out.

Cheating actually has 3 parts to it
>When starting the game with stuff you can't obtain in game without cheating or putting banned things on your team
>Playing the match itself with unobtainable sets
>And finishing the game
Together, this forms one whole cheat.

Get BTFO op

>>30737566
The ends justifies the means.
At the end of the day it's wasting days or weeks of pointless breeding just to test your team or pressing a button and making it in 5 minutes to achieve the exact same result.

You would have something if someone was injecting for illegal move-sets, abilities or stat spreads if the latter is possible but as it stands if you can't tell it's a hacked mon you have literally no complaint other than "BAWWWW WHY DIDN'T YOU SPEND 10 WEEKS TO MAKE YOUR 1 TEAM LIKE I DID?"

>>30741276
>Call me a moralfag or whatever your edgy pre-pubescent ass tells you to say but, cheaters got to go.
Why?

>>30737994
>Permanently banned for not cheating
Autism.

I don't care if breeding is easy, I'm still not going to bother wasting my time going through a shitty mechanic just to get to the actual competitive part of the game.

Anyone who thinks breeding is essential to competitive is a fucking retard.

>tfw inject shinies
>request the most annoying shit to catch at lvl 91+ for them

Hahaha work for me you monkeys

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My favorite part of PKHeX is sharing with those who can't use it.

>>30741368
YASSS

>>30740875
>Speeding hours running around to possibly get lucky with breeding
>Mastering the competitive game
I know breeder fags are mentally retarded, but this is just.

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>>30741417
>get lucky with breeding

This is the most hilarious thing i've heard today.

Whatever. Go cheat yourself your shiny Garchomp and then post on the interweb how shitty GF and Nintendo are for banning you for breaking their terms of service.

Seriously, you're just a stupid faggot.

I have no bussiness how anyone plays their game. If someone has fun doing it, let it be done.

The only limit is if that brings any advantage in a battle. Haxmon is the same legitmon? Why would I give a fuck?

Also, I was told someone hacked the red furfaggot today. Any caps or other?

Thanks

You wouldn't inject a car

>>30741473
Not him but I've traded over 100 injection requests in the past week and a lot were shiny 6IV dittos and the like.

Whenever I try to trade an "illegal" pokemon, it just says there's something wrong and prevents me from trading it. Yet I can still trade "legal" mons and battle.

So people getting scared over bans are retarded. And yes, it IS RNG heavy. It's just you can ease the RNG down the road.

And even if I did somehow get banned. It's not like it's hard to get back online.

Get bent verlisifag.

>>30741579
You bet your ass I would if I could.
I'm vehophobic tho, so I think I would just give it away and do it anyway.

>>30740955
>I generally find that cheaters are actually more knowledgeable about the game than breeders because they're actually spending more time playing the core of the game instead of hours in the bike simulator/autism box.
This.
This a thousand times over.

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>>30741584
>hurr durr i cheat and nothin habbenin

Boy, i am so going to enjoy judgment day.

>>30741680
Is this bait or are all breedfags Verlisify-tier?

>>30741212

Source?

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>>30741680
Guess you missed the part where I said it's piss easy to circumvent bans.

The day GF and Nintendo stop cheating is the day you get laid anon.

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>>30741680
>>30741721

>>30741721
>>30741680
Wew, twas that a Zing Zap, or just a regular Will-o-Wisp? Cause I felt the heat.

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>>30737566
A CHEAT IS A CHEAT, YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S ONLY HALF

Breedfag here. I don't give a shit if other people feel like genning because I know they won't have any significant advantage over me. Except for having a full salvo of PP Max I guess. Fuck that. Share the love.

>>30741473
Firstly, put the goal post back where it was faggot.

Secondly, why am I, a simple customer, not allowed to criticize their online terms of service?

Thirdly, it is still luck based to even get the tools needed for breeding alone without hacking or getting hacked Pokemon.

>inb4 I get accused of wanting to bring Imposter Chansey and Sturdy Shedinja

>>30741792
>Share the love
I can hook you up with some if you want.

>>30737566
Maybe but no one really cares

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>>30741721
>the day you get laid anon.
Oh my lord. I think i need therapy after you told me that i'm a virgin.

But, seriously, faggot. You can't even make a decent comeback?

I guess that's a cheater for you.
Doesn't even know how to effectively insult people over the internet if there isn't a program doing it for him.

>>30741863
Lame

>>30741863
Fuck off Verlis, don't you have some Lycanroc porn to masturbate to?

>>30741863
>projection

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>>30741894
>>30741951
>>30741956
Children, pu-lease.

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>>30741863
Giga faggot.

>>30739704
Link to angry green lizard thread?

>>30740955
Pokemon was made by an autist bug hunter.

>>30737566
>CHEATING IS STILL CHEATING NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU JUSTIFY IT
but every time i do it i get +1 atk

>>30737566
Genned nearly 80% of the entire smogon tiers, mad? If there's exploits, why the fuck not use it?

>>30737566
I'm cheating, and I literally don't care if anyone doesn't like it

>>30741863
Someone is insecure about their virginity.

>>30741276
>Do you know how long it takes to breed a 5(6)IV pokemon?
>10 minutes
Without a 6IV ditto? You're fucking high.

>>30741679
There are breeders who know about the same mechanics. It's just frustrating to breed a 5IV + 0 atk mon. There's a time/cost trade off.

>>30742444
Trips speaks the truth bitch

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I've spent my time breeding, and breeding, and breeding, and breeding for hundreds of hours on end. Cheating aint bad, the only difference is the time put into it. Now instead of spending 400 hours on getting a shiny, i can open up pkhex and get one in 2 minutes.

>>30741296
Are you implying the inverse isn't equally faggoty?

1)
>O EM GEE SEE GUISE!!!!!?? YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY

2)
>O EM GEE SEE GUISE!!!!!?? YOU CAN BEAT HACKMONS ANYWAYS SO THEY'RE FAIR

Why are cheater comebacks so bad?

>>30737566
God damn it Verlis, its late at night all ready. Can't we pick this up in the morning?

>>30741553
>I was told someone hacked the red furfaggot today.
The Lycanroc used Counter on us
We failed

>>30741721
>>30741737
>>30741766
>>30741894
>>30741951
>>30742208

samefag

>>30741226
that's not proof that he cheated

>>30739839
hatching eggs can be done while doing both of those things.

>>30738331
She could eat my head if you know what I mean

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>>30743648
ok

>>30743766
You know that he'll just go "Faggot, anyone can inspect element"

>>30743054
Idk, that seems like an upside, but it'd feel worthless to me. Seeing a shiny after countless hours is the greatest feeling in the world

>>30743681

>he cheated

Now we have a witness!

how is it a big deal if it doesn't affect how the battles are played

>>30741721
Thank you for posting an Aile I don't have.

>>30742596
I'm sure there are some who do. But in my experience they are quite rare, anon. Even rarer are players who know how to EV their Pokemon to take less damage from rocks, or get more leftovers recovery; or even maximize the amount of substitutes they can make.
> It's just frustrating to breed a 5IV + 0 atk mon
Breeding is just frustrating in general.

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>>30743910
Np anon.

>>30741334
>The ends justifies the means.

Cheaters confirmed for commies

>>30743165
lol shut up Verlisify, go waste time on your autistic biking simulator while I just save time and get no advantage whatsoever

did i mention hacking gives no advantage whatsoever? because i think i need to say it at least ten more times between calling everyone who enjoys playing the game as intended verlisify

>>30737566
please hang up and try again

>>30743990
>Verlisify this, Versilify that
12y.o. autistic cheater faggot detected

>>30744011
That was the most sarcastic post I have ever done on this website and you still failed to pick up on it.

Might be literal autism.

>>30744058
>I was just pretending to be retarted

Cheating has been a part of Pokemon since its very origins. Every single game has had Pokemon not available on any of the cartridges without either hacking them in, exploiting a glitch, or getting through some sort of event, which were rare, and in the early days, often inaccessible to the majority of players. Grinding was also a pain due to the dearth of high level trainers available. Missingno and its infinite rare candies made that task much easier, and I don't think I remember a single kid on the block that didn't know of and use it. Later games introduced the move hidden power as a mechanic that could make certain completely useless Pokemon semi-useful, but only if you could get six stats with scores between 0 and 31 (0 and 15 in GSC) to all be some exact number. Getting perfect IVs is basically like playing Powerball. Nobody has the time to use it, and most Pokemon players would rather play a skill based game than a purely luck based game.

No one has literally millions of hours to get a team of perfect IV Pokemon. The game is already fucked beyond belief in its metagame (Pokemon can easily be ranked into tiers based on power and usage, and it's easy to see that some Pokemon should just never be used), so it's clear GameFreak doesn't take competition seriously. There's no reason that the players should either by bothering to spend literally every hour of their day not spent working, sleeping, or eating, playing Pokemon, just to obtain a competitive one.

>>30744098
>>30744058
You're both autistic.

>>30744106
Hi there!
You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!
Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bait to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>>30743952
Except communism has never worked before.

>>30744106

Adding on to this...

If GameFreak is serious about stopping cheating, they will need to improve their games to a point where a player can legitimately produce a competitive pokemon on a normal time schedule, so long as they have the diligence to do so. I would recommend the following:

1. Make good IVs easier to obtain. This can be done in one of two ways:
1a. Decrease the range of possible IV values. Using 0-3 instead of 0-31, and scaling up the values so that a 1 point change is much larger, would require only a 1 in 4096 chance of getting a perfect IV match, which is twice as likely as getting a shiny. I know people who are willing to grind for shinies, so grinding for perfect IVs should also be possible.
1b. Make it possible to permanently change a Pokemon's IVs using an item that can be repeatedly obtained through grinding in-game, and which can be repeatedly used on a Pokemon.

2. End events. All Pokemon should be obtainable in-game if all cartridges in a generation are owned by a player. Use in-game quests instead. This may increase development time, but that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing anyways.

>>30744190
It would literally work if we could hack and inject resources/food into existence ;^)

We live in a resource scarce reality though, not a game, so commies are retarded.

>>30737566
Find me a 6IV Bold Wish Chansey.

I hate how some scrub can just create Pokemon in a program while everybody else painstakingly has to work for them.

It's not only against the rules, it's completely unjustifiable. You know better, yet you decide to take the easy, illegal way out.

You make this game look bad. Shame on you, cheaters. Get that ass banned.

>>30744190
Ecxept in smaller scale societies

>>30744286
>You know better

They actually don't.

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>>30744298
>>30744286

>>30744241
1: Have an NPC that can raise and lower IVs. Since Trick Room strats are a thing.
2: Redo Hidden Power calculation, and have an NPC that can train a different HP.
3: Another NPC that can "hypno-therapy" for a different Nature.

Leave breeding simply for Egg Moves, baby Pokemon, and Hidden Ability. (Since that would restrict HA distribution.) And leave these NPCs for post-game so people still have to play through. While on the topic of egg moves, open up the damn "locks" on some moves from older gens.

This would allow breeding to have a purpose while still making it simple to get a competitive Pokemon.

>Cheating is BAD because you have to WORK HARD for them
>Cheating is POINTLESS because it's EASY to get good IVs

Pick one.

Can I literally not play Poke'mon I bred with a hacked ditto online in Sun and Moon or?

Why cheat when you can just play it on Showdown?

>>30744382
You can play with hackmon or bred from hackmons unless you give it impossible moves or encounters or some other flag.
It's ridiculously easy to make a legit hackmon.

>>30741276
>10 minutes

this. I took some time to SOS chain for Dittos and was lucky enough to get two that, combined, had 31 IVs for every stat.

Went to get destiny knot, and bred a Morelull for shits and giggles. Not even 15 eggs in, 5IV,

They made getting actually usable mons a shitton easier now and i love it. However i'm still not blaming injectfags because in the end, as long as the stats and moves are fair when we battle, i realy don't give a toss about how you obtained your team. I don't support hackerfags but moralfags need to take it down a notch too.

>>30744406
Because who cares?
>>30744414
This.

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We must finish this!

why does anyone even give a fuck no one here is gonna actually play competitive

>>30737795
Are pokemon bred from hacked pokemon banned? Yes.

Will they be able to tell that you bred your pokemon from a hacked one? No, they won't. unless you're a dumbfuck and do something like breeding a Porygon in a beast ball. Or a pink Gastrodon.

Reminder that breeding with a hacked ditto and the offspring that comes out of it is legal.

t. anchor baby

>>30744414
Honestly I only get frusturated with hackerfags when they try to whine and cry that it's not cheating.

If you can't just accept that you're a cheater than you shouldn't be doing it. It's okay if you are, just own up to it.

>>30744468
To elaborate, they are banned but they don't have any way of finding you out unless you admit to it or do the beast ball porygon thing.

>>30744483
I'm a cheater. I won't deny it. I just don't see how it's a big deal if the Pokemon are seen as "legit" in the eyes of the GF legality checker.

>>30744410
Ok, so people are just butthurt that people don't want to spend 24/7 breeding for pokemon like they are, gotcha

>>30744483
I sometimes cheat on the breeding and raising part of Pokemon.

I don't cheat on the battles themselves.

Anyone that says they can find Pokemon bred from hacked Dittos, they can't.

I bred all my Mons legit but used a Japanese 6IV Ditto to do so. There's literally nothing that is different compared to my mon than one that went through 2 4IV dittos, and I've never been banned.

>>30744524
I mean, my butt doesn't hurt when I do it. It only takes like, 10 minute tops to generate a full team. So I just don't get why anyone else cares that I do it.

>>30744483
Pretending it's not cheating is retarded and i think the whole of /vp/ knows it. Or i'm expecting too much here.

>>30744507
>how it's a big deal if the Pokemon are seen as "legit" in the eyes of a GF legality checker
It isn't, or shouldn't be, at least for people who never actually partake in VGC, which am pretty sure includes all of /vp/s battlefags.

>>30744286

>It's not only against the rules
Rules are meaningless if no one follows them, and as I argued in my post here: >>30744106
rule breaking has been a part of the culture of Pokemon players since its inception.

>it's completely unjustifiable
If you know that all of the top players are cheating, and you want to stay competitive with them, you have to do so. That's an easy justification.

>You know better, yet you decide to take the easy, illegal way out.
I don't think anyone cares about the morals/ethics of this. Injecting is done here not to gain an advantage over other players, but to gain an equal footing with them. Also, you really shouldn't use the word "illegal" here, since it typically implies an action is against the laws of a country. In reality, it's just against the rules of a tournament.

>You make this game look bad. Shame on you, cheaters. Get that ass banned.
Banning would require proving that a player cheated. While a full team of 6 IV shiny pokemon with perfect natures is incredibly unlikely to obtain, even with meticulous breeding, there is no means of proving that they are obtained illegitimately, and players must always be given the benefit of the doubt.

>>30744361

All of these are excellent suggestions.

>>30744474

It technically isn't, but no one other than Verlisify gives a fuck.

I don't actually cheat, but I would if I cared at all about having competitively viable pokemon. And by cheating, I mean generating ideal legal pokemon (good nature/IVs). No egg moves that aren't available yet or anything.

As I've gotten older, I've realized that I'd rather spend less time breeding/chaining in exchange for taking that "cheater" label.

>>30737566
but anon, i didnt cheat.
i created my team through months of tauros riding, just like a good autist does :^)

>>30744414
Sure, they can cheat all they want, but don't bring that shit near other players.

You shouldn't take part in official events and you shouldn't be allowed to take part in any official service.

Do your shenanigans on your own, or with your cheater friends, but leave the public room clean.

Yet, nobody seem to understand this.

They want to cheat, demand not to get punished when they break the rules and infect and affect legit players.

>>30744446
I agree, enough of mister nice guy

>>30744667
And yet it's cheaters that are all you meet in the higher-tiered tournaments.

Competitive Pokemon has always been, and will always be a joke.

>>30737566

You're not better than anyone else. Watch yourself, not others. Damn busybodies.

>>30744667
Make me.

Pokemon is less competitive than chess. If the game made it easier to invest in the right stats I wouldn't care but it's too RNG heavy to bother with.

Plus you don't know who is and isn't a hacker so you just telling people to not do it isn't gonna change shit.

Besides, things get even more complicated when it comes to trading.

How was I supposed to know the Ditto I got via wifi was hacked? They can't just ban people who do Ditto breeding cause there's the all too real possibility that they had no clue.

>super training could have allowed you to modify IVs so you can breed specific variant with ease
>lol just 31IV thin veil

Proof that masuda is ass in competitions.

who keeps letting Verlis make these

>>30741410
>tfw there are things I would get injected if I weren't so autistic about being the OT
Really need to find a way to check my TID and SID one of these days.

Legit why do these Moralfags even care at all about hacking.
It literally has no effect on them and they wouldn't even be able to tell if the pokemon was hacked...

>>30744878
I can do it for you anon. Trade me something and I'll give you deets.

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>>30744667
I see your point, anon, but the whole official events things is a whole different can of worms i have little opinion on because 1) i almost never watch official events, only the occasional Poketuber WiFi battle and 2) i was mostly talking about how i see things for when i am playing the game myself. I agree with you on the infecting part, though - if the official event's rules forbid it, it's only fair genned/hexed Mons aren't allowed. Common sense. The problem lies within GF having a sucky-ass hackcheck that can barely ever tell if a Pokemon is genned or not.
If a person hacks their game privately, you can choose not to interact with their game or them altogether.

>>30744794
Oh i can smell the freshest drama video cooking up, and i can feel he will mention /vp/ by name
His bullshit really shouldn't make me laugh like it does, feels dirty giving that cunt any sort of thought but i guess it's like DSP in where it's a trainwreck you can't look away from

>>30744878
I'm the opposite, everything I inject has a generic "RENTAL" OT, to separate the hacked shit from the Pokemon I actually put effort into.

Injected Pokemon are disposable to me, I still like to grow my collection of Pokemon without cheating. My OT is 100% pure.

>>30737871

Giving oneself an advantage through methods outside of those set within the terms of competition.

>>30744686
>Competitive Pokemon has always been, and will always be a joke.

You only see cheaters because legit players know and don't want to take part in it.

It's about time it changes.

>>30744737
>2muchRNG4me

So sick of that shit excuse.
If you want to play with others, on a public space, then follow the fucking rules.

Your logic is:
>I don't want to play a game for the challenge and prove myself among others but i want to have it as easy as possible because i feel entitled to it
What else? Do you want an award for winning on easy mode?

People are going to get tired of that shit and stricter regulations will come.

South Korea will currently fine you for 43k and give you max 5 years in jail for cheating.

And why? Because people are ruining other people hobbies.


Everyone should care about cheating and keeping that off the public for a cleaner, honorable and true competition.

>>30744916
>The problem lies within GF
Exactly. But, if we want to keep playing the newest games with online services, the community should really start to get their shit together.
GF doesn't really care to check for cheats because it's such on a big scale, they would probably ban 90% of their playerbase.

If people truly cared about the game and want it to genuinely improve, they should work together with GF and Nintendo so they can concentrate on bringing more for the fans, instead of trying to keep them in check.

Why vgcfags gen their pokemon with a pokeball that's not the standard one to begin with is beyond me
do they all have balltism but are too lazy to check if the pokemon can be in this and this ball under those circumstances

>>30744981
>Implying Nintendo listens to their fans 90% of the time.

>>30744981
If RNG is a non issue so is hacking. It's all pointless.

>>30744999
And guess why?
I wouldn't want to listen to your ass if you're part of the problem, making demands and doing things even the devil would shake his head.

>>30745013
RNG is part of the game. Cheating is not. What kind of game would it be if you'd get everything handed to you in the first 5 minutes of it?

If we go by that logic:
"I should hack the lottery because the 1:1000000 chance is too high and i really want that money"
Who the fuck do you think you are desu?

>>30744966
I'm new to this whole business, and I really don't want to give Verlis any publicity anywhere else so bear with me

I think cheating's okay as long as the playing field is level. If your opponent hacks in mons with hard-to-get movesets and stats just for the sake of a single game, that's fine, and you can do the same to whatever length you wish. However, if your opponent wants to fight using Pokemon bred and raised through exclusively in-game methods, you should be obligated the same to preserve the spirit of competition.

Also, for the sake of not getting caught and banned for using illegal teams online -- if such a thing could ever occur-- I'd think to give Pokemon moves that they are, or have been in the past, able to access. For example, a Blissey with Seismic Toss, a move only obtainable in a far earlier gen, would be okay, while a Pansage with Seed Flare or Judgement is definitely out of the question.

That's my take on it, anyway

>>30745136
What demands exactly have I made? Name 1.

>>30745136
Some guy hacking a children's video game shitposting on an anonymous message board?

Re-evaluate yourself.

No one cares about how you obtained your pokemon in a battle. When it comes down to core gameplay, no one fucking cares.

The best parts of a videogame is the grinding right? Mind numbing pure boredom. No thanks, I'll skip to the action. Like a previous anon said, it doesn't really give me the competitive edge in the long run. Not that I'm going to tournaments for a game heavily reliant on RNG.

And your analogy falls flat when you consider winning the lottery does not equate to a pokemon battle. You can still lose the battle.

It's more like skipping training and going straight to the boxing match.

>>30745322
No I'm just saying, that's how one defines cheating.

>>30741212
Sauce plz

>>30745351
>It's more like skipping training and going straight to the boxing match
It's not even that since you don't learn anything nor gain experience from breeding and chaining.
You just waste time that you could use on actually playing the game.

>>30745411
Exactly breeding and chaining don't matter when all you need to know are statistics, movepools, and type matchups.

>>30745351
Whatever just don't cry when you get BTFO cuck

>>30745434
This it's like chess

But the shinier piece are better and waste time looking for them when you could just get fakes

>>30745341
It wasn't on a personal level.

>>30745351
>Some guy hacking a children's video game shitposting on an anonymous message board?
>Re-evaluate yourself.

Some guy defending cheating in a children's video game.
Seriously, guy.

>t's more like skipping training and going straight to the boxing match

No, it's like taking steroids and going straight to the match.

And you shouldn't be allowed to compete that way.


But fuck me for wanting a clean and fair game so that everyone can enjoy, amirite?

Anyway, i'm done. Go on cheating and whatnot. This game can't be saved anymore.

Also this: >>30745456

>>30745456
refer to this >>30741584
Non issue.
>>30745485
>caring about a children's video game
Okay, you can go I guess. You're allowed your opinion anon and I don't hate you for it.

>>30745395
Cheating is using underhanded methods in order to gain an advantage through the disobedience of agreed-upon rules.

If both players in a competition agree to hack their pokemon how they want, then the game is fair. If one person hacks their pokemon without both said person and their opponent agreeing on hacking being allowed, then that's cheating.

The game does not define the rules. The people that play it do.

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As soon as Pokémon becomes real all the hacker fags are gonna eat shit. They'll end up on the team rockets of the world. They're too lazy to work for good teams so they'll just end up stealing shit.

I mean how can you fags still hack? Gamefreak makes it EASIER to breed for everything you need every fucking game. And the countless online guides for you. Jesus christ. I work a full time job and see my gf every few days AND go to school. And I can still create teams and do everything just as good as hackers do. I have fun trading with people here for pokemon in apricorn balls. I don't get mad if I get my shit pushed in in battle. I learn from it.

tl;dr GIT FUCKING GUD AND BE THE VERY BEST

>>30745322

The Chansey line can get seismic toss from Mawile if I recall.

>>30745520
Because get this... It's even EASIER to hack.
Not surprising really. Why waste time on something you don't enjoy to enjoy the things you do? And then you get the rest of your free time to study or play something else.

>>30745517
What advantage is gained?

>>30745548
Because it's not even time consuming any more. I can understand if you did this in gen3. I would never do that. They hold your hand even more every game. I enjoy every minute of it.

>>30745526
Oh. Then Dragonite with Heal Bell would be a better example. It could learn it in gen III, if I believe.

>>30745593
It's still grinding. To each their own but it's always been the biggest chore for me. I'd rather battle.

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Why do you care? Why do any of you care at all one way or the other? The metagame is so impossibly fucked that it doesn't matter in the slightest. Go play showdown if you want the "real" experience.

Holy fucking shit you moral fucks are so obnoxious. Anyone injecting a pokemon with legal moves and stats has ZERO FUCKING IMPACT ON YOU. How is it possible that you people are so fucking stupid that hacked pokemon with LEGAL MOVES AND STATS bother you this much?

Literally no one can give a good reason for why hacked pokemon with 100% legal moves and stats is an issue other than VGC rules, which are purposefully easy to skirt because even VGC KNOWS that it isn't a big fucking deal.

>>30745589
By hacking, a player can ensure that all their Pokemon have 6 perfect IVs and perfectly constructed EVs and movesets without doing any work. While a player can accomplish this in-game-- and can take Pokemon with equally strong conditions into battle-- they may want to battle with, say, the first full team they caught, which is likely to not be as strong.

Tldr: If one player in a battle uses Pokemon with optimal stats obtained through hacking, and the other player has Pokemon that do not have perfect statistics that were NOT HACKED TO BE IMPERFECT, that is cheating.

>>30745593
just because you get your rocks off by running in circles with a Tauros for hours doesn't mean that the rest of us want to waste our time doing that. the actual battling is the competitive part. 0 skill is involved with breeding perfect pokemon, only luck and time.

>>30744981
>because i feel entitled to it
Yeah, I do feel entitled to it. I'd rather spend time and effort hacking my 3ds and generating valid pokemon instead of spending significantly more time getting those pokemon legitimately.

I'm not a kid anymore. My time is worth money.

>>30745699
this is in the context of VGC battling. if someone is competing in VGC with their shitty in-game pokemon, they deserve to get destroyed. what a terrible argument.

>>30745690
Nobody gives a fuck if you hack. It's the fact that hacker fags always feel the need to say how "smarter" they are that they cheated. They can't get over the fact that people exist that GENUINELY LOVE working for something.

>>30745753
except not at all? these threads are ALWAYS started by some Verlisify wannabe saying that cheaters should kill themselves. let me speak for all people who hack rn and say that we don't give a fuck that you waste time running in circles with your Tauros. we're more interested in battling that spinning the joystick around, but we literally don't care what you do because it has 0 impact on us.

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>>30745699
>entering a tournament with a statistical disadvantage

>>30745753
Guy from >>30745548
I know it's hacking. My personal take on it is that it has no major impact on the actual meta.

And it does baffle me in an unironic way how someone can enjoy something so tedious. But as I said before, to each their own.

>>30745739
First off, nobody inherently deserves to win or lose. Cut your elitism.

Second, if a person wants to enter the VGC and have a good chance at winning, they are expected to have constructed an optimal team after hours of breeding and training for it. If they use the in-game pokemon used to complete the story, then yes, it is likely that they will lose. But it is still arguable whether or not hacked pokemon should be allowed in official tournaments. If their movesets and stats are legal and their OT checks out, then technically they could enter without any problems. In this case, the only thing that could cause the trainer to lose is the lack of skill on their part, and/or the lack of practice with their constructed team.

>>30745548
>>30745621
>>30745712
STOP FALLING FOR THE BAIT

>>30745790
Sorry, seem to have been mistaken. I wasn't talking about entering a tournament in that post. Rather, I was talking about a single local battle between two players.

>>30745864
*I seem to have been mistaken.

Apologies.

>>30745820
>thinks saying in game teams shouldn't have a chance to win a VGC match is "elitism"
wew lad

>they are expected to have constructed an optimal team after hours of breeding and training for it
bruh, you know you're allowed to trade pokemon in this game, right? i can enter a VGC tournament with a completely legal and non-hacked team that someone traded to me, spending 0 hours breeding/training.

>>30745864
Who even cares about this? If you and your bff are playing a local game together, you should know if one or the other is hacking.

>>30745880
Nobody expected a Pachirisu to win a VGC. Anything can happen.
As for your second point, it's correct. I hadn't thought about that.

>>30745905
That's what I was saying. If a person does not know that their opponent is hacking, that's cheating. I was not thinking about the VGC in that post.

I'm more miffed that GF did nothing to make it easier for you to build a competitive team from scratch.

>>30745959
S.O.S chaining and hyper training. Getting a 4IV ditto is piss easy now, and you can chain many other pokemon without too much trouble. It's now possible to get the perfect pokemon without breeding it once.

I don't cheat, I breed full teams with ideal sets then never battle with them, but I suggest to everyone I know to cheat and tell them how to because if you actually care about battling breeding is bullshit and Hyper Training is even more bullshit

>>30741276
>10 minutes

Only if you:
don't chain for egg moves,
don't care about ball it is in,
don't breed for HP or other non 6 x 31 IV configuration,
don't breed for HA,
have both perfect parents from the start (and I assume you don't have a 6IV Ditto, since it was almost impossible to catch until this generation),
RNG god don't shit on you in general.

And even then you still have to EV train it to lvl +50 and evolve it (try evolving Porygon-Z without second 3DS) afterwards.

Yeah, fuck no, not in my lifetime. I breed boxes on competitive mons in ORAS and it ate up 2 months of my life. Only so I could finally get on battlespot and experiment with different strategies. I was unemployed at the time and had depression episode on top of that, so I didn't care.

>IB4 you can do stuff while breeding

Yeah, like what, watch TV? It's still a simple waste of time. It takes both hands away and part of attention, no way you can perform normal work in a meanwhile.

I appreciate GF making breeding easier with each generation, but it is still tedious If you're an adult who have work, social life and house to maintain. And even if you're a kid with nothing besides school, please don't waste your life like that.

>>30737795
Yeah they have secret emf readers that are embedded in the code that detects what Pokemon are cheated and what influence they have in your game.

I'd just destroy your 3ds and get a new one before the police come.

>>30741276
Ignoring your exaggeration with the lack of mentioning you have a magical 6 IV ditto through luck and convenient lack of egg moves breeding, at 10 minutes it would take an hour to breed a perfect team and then you need to spend several more leveling it to 50 or whatever learn moves it requires plus the EV training.

Let's say in total it takes 2 hours to get a team of 6 prepared (a huge exaggeration but reasonable enough)
That's two hours to get one team. You're going to want to use more than 6 pokemon. You might even realize that the spread you chose for that Pokemon is incorrect and he needed to be Jolly.

Considering 700+ Pokemon and different builds you're looking at a few months of work to get a team of diverse Pokemon you can pick through for different meta's.

Not forgetting to mentions the dumb shit like hidden power ice.

Oh your xurkitree doesn't have hp ice or is timid.
Well hope you have fun resetting for at least 14 hours catching him at a 3% rare.

Oh darn the hp ice one you caught is adamant! Time to try again.

Uh oh this time he only has 5 speed IVs and 0 sp atk. :)

>>30746956
That Xurkitree example is precisely how hackers have a big advantage.

There are even worse examples, including fucking gen 3 only move tutors sometimes.

>>30737566
Yes. That is true. Just like how an apple is an apple no matter how you look at it.

But not all cheating is wrong, just like how not all apples are rotten, that's where the line lies.

>breed/catch my Pokemon in-game for nature, egg moves, hidden power, hidden abilities, sometimes gender and shiniess
>don't use hacked ditto
>EV train in-game
>but use cloning and max item cheats
What does that make me

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>>30737566
>mfw i cheated for all berries and maxed out for poffin makin in Platinum
>give everyone in my team a starf berry

>>30747204
Gen 3 only tutors don't matter unless you're a smogonfag, which no one playing on the cart is.

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>get 6IV shiny HA foreign Lv100 Ditto holding Destiny Knot from kind anon
>breed a whole team of legal Pokemon
>attach Choice Scarf on said Ditto as 6th team member and go to town

>>30747306
No, it isn't. Just get an abra with your desired nature, then you sr for one with hp Ice. Hyper training has made SRing for IVs on anything that can't breed pointless.

>>30737836
>Only if you get caught.
that means genning is only cheating if you get caught. thats nice.

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>>30737566

>>30737566
I'M GOING TO RUB YOUR CROWN CLIT AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME

>yfw cheaters will never ever be respected VGC champions

>>30737566
Being a cheater > Being a Verlis

>>30749075

>Ray Rizzo

but it's not technically his fault, he said he had someone to breed mons for him.

>>30737566
The only form for cheating I approve is using a 6 iv ditto breed competative pokemon. With 6iv dittos you don't need to waste days and weeks to breed just one perfect pokemon. If gamefreak remove ivs from the game there would be no reason for using 6iv dittos to begin with.

>>30749109
>With 6iv dittos you don't need to waste days and weeks to breed just one perfect pokemon.
I use 3 IV dittos and it never took me more than 2-3 hours.

>>30744667
Great idea anon, let's reduce the player pool of VGC by 80%. Maybe it there are only 10 people competing for worlds 2017, Verlisify will finally win a game.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsYvrWztoE4

>>30749136
Sounds pretty based we'll finally have a legitimate Pokémon champion.

>>30749136
If the VGC lives or dies by the fact that the "pros" are too lazy to breed their own fucking Pokemon then maybe it should fucking die.


Go ahead and show up to a MTG tournament with a deck full of proxies, and then give the argument "THIS SHIT IS TOO EXPENSIVE! IT DOESNT MATTER THAT THESE CARDS ARE NOT REAL, IT MATTERS HOW I USE THEM"

>>30749136
Maybe VGC would be less boring if such a shake up were to happen

>>30749170
What a shitty comparison. Cardgames live by selling those cards, so using fakes would actively steal money from them.

Pokemon doesn't sell pokemon, they sell the games in which you make the pokemon in. Cheaters don't prevent people from buying the game.

Also, genned mons are real. They are literally indistinguishable from ones made by autists with too much free time.

>>30737566
>Be me
>Gets a shiny 6iv pokerus ditto from a givaway on this board
>Gets another one
>Didn't hack to get them
>People tell me that they're obviously hacked
>Neither of us have proof to either side
Tell me, how is this cheating?

>>30741708
Nope, hate cheaters and hate verelisify with a passion.

>>30749158
I keked

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>>30737566
BAITING IS STILL BAITING NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU JUSTIFY IT

>mfw cant play battle spot with my 100% legit bred shinies without getting self conscious people think theyre hacked

>>30737868
>If I hack and no one knows, did I really hack?
If I kill your mom, take stuff rom your house without you noticing.. hell, if I rape you in any way, did I made it?

Hint: The answer is "Yes" because I did did it. Even if no one ever finds out, deep inside I would know that I'm scum for the actions that I executed. If you cheated, you cheated, that's all there is to it.

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>>30737566
Go home.

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>>30737566
facebook normie post shill wakeup call

>>30741680
I'm sure you are if Verlisify is your god. Don't you have a twitter account to be jerking off?

>>30749299
The shiny one faggot

>>30737953
More like the furfaggot Verlis falseflagging.

>>30737795
No, idiot

>>30749211
Not him but his comparison was solid.

>using fakes would actively steal money from them.
The same way cheaters are stealing prices and fame in competetive environment, the people who actually know of and disregard cheating are few in number.
>Cheaters don't prevent people from buying the game.
Proxies would prevent people from buying cards if they were legal, the same way VGC isn't taken serious. You said yourself it was practically stealing.

>>30749278
Blame the hackers.

Yeah, it's cheating.

But a guy with a legit team has as much of a chance as winning as a guy with a team made on PkHex, so it doesn't matter.

>>30749340
>The same way cheaters are stealing prices and fame in competetive environment

How? They literally have the exact same pokemon as legitfags. If the cheater wins, it's because he's a better player, not because he cheated.

Sup cheaters, What are we injecting today? What are you doing to trigger 'em?

>>30749340
>stealing prices and fame
Refer to >>30749299 and then evaluate if they're just smarter than you or genning equals win guaranteed unless you're stupid
>>30749363
Just injecting :^)

>>30737566
Did you manage to get all your accounts back, Verlisify? :^)

>>30749363
Shiny Dreamball Garchomps, wondertrading seven boxes later.

>>30749306
They're both shiny.

>>30737879
Verlisifucker made an 11-minute video about how someone had a Porygon2 in a Beast Ball. Anons hacked him after finding his password on Nugget Bridge.

>>30749383
Those Garchomps better have rough skin.

>>30749387
Can't you catch mons in Beast Ball, though? I know it's like 0.1x multiplier, but still

>>30749394
not for porygon, you don't catch it you obtain it. in a regular pokeball. secondly beast balls aren't passed down through breeding so that's also out of the question.

>>30749394
The only Porygon in the game is given to you in a Poké Ball.

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>>30749419
>>30749420
Ah I see, it's the Dream Ball Aegislash all over again and he's responding to it again. Can't get enough of that witchhunt, can he?

>>30749362
>How?
It's like a bodybuilder taking steroids, you'll steal prices and fame til you get caught(if you get caught.)

>it's because he's a better player, not because he cheated.

A subjective opinion formed by an unjustifiable bias based on cheaters remorse

>>30749196
Less boring?
The 10 pokémon every dirty cheater uses at tourneys would be the same because they work
Lmao gid gud

>>30749495
>A subjective opinion formed by an unjustifiable bias based on cheaters remorse
Comparing body builders and steroids to Pokémon is simply not possible, because you're more than likely on an even playing field here, especially now that Hyper Training is a thing. Again, refer to >>30749299

>>30749558
We weren't comparing Pokémon to body building, we were comparing stealing fame.

>>30737566
GO BACK TO YOUR SCAT FETISH VERLISFY

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>>30749419
>beast balls aren't passed through breeding
they're one of the best looking balls, have an abysmally terrible catch rate and you're telling YOU CAN'T EVEN PASS THEM DOWN?

fucking gamefreak

>>30749598
Was this one of the things that came out of the account hijackings?

I gen pokemons and play wi-fi with them and basically fuck you :^)

>>30744414
>it only takes 10 minutes, honest!
>you just have to get lucky like I did!

>>30749615
yes

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A long time ago I was part of a Pokemon community where there was a group of people dedicated to collecting legitimately bred or wild encountered shinies. I used to hack up really trash wild shinies or bred ones with only partial good IVs and traded them to these people as legit shinies, and they were none the wiser. Now their precious collections are infested with my hacks.

https://youtu.be/K0CxGbEt3d4

>>30749732
Are you retarded? They don't know, so in their minds they are legit. It doesn't ruin anything for them since they don't know.

>>30749782
It really doesn't matter if they know or not. I know.

>>30749732
>>30749782
Yeah, you should have told them that some of the shinies were fake.
Not all of them, though.

>>30749782
Just because you don't know you're not actually the father of son, it doesn't make you not a cuck.

>>30749782
Are YOU retarded? If he told them, they would just be like "okay so toss all the Pokemon out from this person and get replacements"

>>30741473
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>30741579
I would! I so fucking would!!!

>>30749614
They are passable, stop listening verlifags they know nothing about pokemon

>>30744414
>However i'm still not blaming injectfags because in the end, as long as the stats and moves are fair when we battle, i realy don't give a toss about how you obtained your team. I don't support hackerfags but moralfags need to take it down a notch too.


Finally, more people with this mindset. I happen to enjoy breeding. Some people may think that it's impossible, but I really do It also strangely helps me quit smoking But at the same time I can understand why someone wouldn't want to go to the whole processes. Just like you, I think that if the mons themselves are just normal mons it's ok really. Only illegal move/ability combinations are faggotry.

>>30744483

> Honestly I only get frusturated with hackerfags when they try to whine and cry that it's not cheating.

Yep. Don't go acting like literally hacking in data isn't fucking cheating. Like, are you even serious? Offcourse it's fucking cheating. There's no two ways about it. Atleast own up to what you are doing instead of making flimsy excuses. I have more respect for someone who goes "Yeah, they are hacked. who gives a fuck" Rather that than someone who tries to make a million excuses as to why it's not cheating or how it's better because blabla.

What I also want to add is that Injectfags have become a bit unbearable as of late. Most of the decent guys hang in their general and hand out mons to people who put up request, but then there's the "cool kids'' drop in on a thread with "JUST INJECT AUTIST LMAO ENJOY UR TAUROS SIM KEK" Someone asking for breeding advice, or the best way to SOS for a shiny isn't asking for advice on how to get hacked mons.
Finally, the excuse that you NEED to hack to be a competitive battler is beyond retarded. Showdown exists. I have 4 different teams on Showdown at the moment and am constantly tinkering around with them. I breed mons while I battle on Showdown. I can check IVs in between turns, and replace mons in the daycare in between battles.

>>30749843
> Comparing cucking to fucking Pokemon

...

>>30749853
Which is why it's retarded in it's entirety. Those guys now happily have shinies they think are legit. The only who knows they are not is Anon. Ignorance is bliss. And as you said, telling them would get them to toss the shinies away. All anon did was give shinies to people.

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>>30750033
Everything is NTR. The sooner you realize it, the easier it will be to accept.

>>30749387
I'm confused about how these VGC players have friends who can inject but somehow are dumb enough to put them in illegal balls. Doesn't PKHex have a legality checker for fucks sake?