LOOK AT IT!

What am I looking at? The Defenders of Kalos?

>>30705776
*gasp* even ORAS had better graphics, what the fuck?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

>>30705776
SO KAWAIII~~

>>30705776
I fucking knew xy would age like milk. And oml seeing those chili models now is bizarre

>>30705807
Fag

>>30705776
https://youtu.be/yJymdkB1u_s

>>30705776
Huh, I didn't remember X & Y being that lame looking.

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>>30705776
Dear lord chibi models was a fucking mistake. Feels like Im looking at a bootleg

Please delete this

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>>30705776
>XY has better character customization
>those shit chibi models

Chibi look was a mistake

>>30705824
It's sorta like those old games trying to use 3D models when they were new. At the time it was really cool but after going back to play it again it's very hard to look at.

>>30705824
More than the models what shocked me when I booted 6th gen games for the latest distributions were the movements animations.

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ORAS has aged even worse some how.
>Chibi models look even worse than XYs
>Map copy pasted from RS so 3D is absolutely awful combined with the game's 2D map
>Story worse than any other pokemon game and is an absolute slog to get through
>Postgame worse than most

>tfw spoiled by SM graphics
This time last month gen6 didn't look this fucking awful to me

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JESUS FUCKING CHRIST MY FUCKING EYES

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>>30705776
Fuck i don't remember XY looking this bad.

>go back to prep all my boxes in X for coming transfer to bank
>so used to using circlepad now
>fucking rollerskates
MAKE IT STOP

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>>30705776
>Tfw it's cute and cringe inducing at the same time

>>30705776
XY:
>What are you all going to do?

SM:
>What is Lillie up to? Better go help her.

>>30705842
TWO
W
O

I remember seeing Gen VI's graphics and thinking "cool, it's all 3D. Kinda odd how they only use the full body models in important cutscenes and the rest is just chibis, but oh well, it's like the small 2D sprites now brought to small 3D models I guess?"

Now I'm fucking disgusted. Gen VI did a fantastic job at actually making proper models (all with vastly varying heights at that), and then you just get the more detailed models during cutscenes. It's all full body either way.

>>30705776
Oh fuck 3D chibis were the worst idea

>>30705776
desu it's not bad

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>>30705842
Perfect.

>>30706020
t. Kaloshill

>>30705937
ORAS graphics always bugged me, especially the overworld, but now I feel even more disgusted when I have to grab my mystery gifts from it

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>>30705776

Wow, the chibi models are hard to look at after running through Sun and Moon. X_x

>>30705776
Looking back at genVI after SM is so gritty.
And I was one of the 4 people who actually liked the graphics and chibi models.

good threa

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>>30705776
This is the most jarring shit after playing SM

>>30705776
oh shit i forgot about that

>>30706092

>>30705776
X and Y were the Twilight Princess of Pokémon. They brought the series into a medium people had wanted to see for years, were made to go back on the controversial opinions regarding the previous entries (Wind Walker and Gen V), and made the franchise darker. However, said darkness was largely superficial and the game was the most cut-and-dry and formulaic.

>>30706126
Hey now even with it's absurdly ugly NPCs and easiness Twilight princess is still easily one of the better zeldas...certainly better than Skyward sword. Only zelda game I couldn't bring myself to finish...

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>>30706126
>darker
>XY
>the most kid friendly "teehee friendship power saves the day" games in Pokemon only beaten by ORAS at how cringey that shit gets
>dark

>>30705776
I like the chibi models.

>>30705776
Jesus Christ it's really bad to look at, fucking ginger boy toy is just a floating fucking head my god

>>30706176
I mean if using the power of friendship to stop ginger Hitler from genociding the entire country of poke-france and talk about how fucked up the past really is with the pokemon war 3000 years ago makes it somehow kid friendly, then yeah, it is

>>30706126
How is XY darker than BW ? Even at a superficial level. Lysandre wanting to kill everyone for a grand total of 5 minutes doesn't make the game dark.

>>30705842
Hey, Jimmy. How many genders are there?

>>30706176
Nah, nothing is as cringy as Gen 5. That whole gym leader vs Plasma sages was just too much, and Generations trying to make into a shitty Civil War imitation was atrocious. Anyone who disagrees needs to go to a doctor for a bad case of shit taste.

>>30706345
1 small subplot doesn't really make the whole game dark though. XY is easily one of the most cheery games in Pokemon.

And Lysandre was just doing the same shit as Cyrus basically

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>>30706126
This guy gets it. It's about appealing to the most amount of normies possible. It should be said though, that I think this function will be taken over by the mobile games in the future. Actually fuck the future, we're seeing it now with Go hooking the normies and SM selling like fluffy pancakes. This is the new strategy for Nintendo in general.

>Mario Run comes out in December
>Normies adopt in droves
>Switch debuts 3 months later with a Mario launch title

Damn I hate mobile games but if it can provide a way for Nintendo to prop themselves up and also make better games cause the mindless consumer will already have their casual version? I'll take it.

>>30705978
roller skates were the bomb compared to this stupid shit. Why do I have to go back to holding B to run? why was this allowed?

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>>30706393
>gym leaders actually go help the main character stop the threat to their region instead of staying in their gyms doing nothing
>cringy

>>30706393
Bad bait

>>30706364
>>30706176
The funny thing is I remember when XY first got mined, /vp/ was exploding about how dark and intense the story would be.

>>30706455
>t Kalosperm

>>30706345
Sun and Moon are even more morbidly disturbing, especially some of those side-quests.

>Abandoned Stufful waiting for its missing owner
>Later find out the Stufful died, but owner came back looking for it
>Lady's husband died from an accident with his Machamp
>Dex entries, especially for the megas

>>30706176
>Plot was literally about the Holocaust
>In X, Lysandre tries to make you and your friends immortal and bury you in the remains of the HQ as an act of revenge
>Not dark

>>30706524
To be fair it seemed likely. We had Life and Death based legendaries, some shit about an old war was leaking, and we just barely knew enough that it seemed like the tip of the iceberg. Turns out the rest of the iceberg was all frozen piss

>>30705776
Everyone remember this doesn't look nearly as bad on that little 3DS screen

>>30706564
>Later find out the Stufful died, but owner came back looking for it

That never happened...or I didn't see it happen.

>>30706582
>Holocaust
I don't think you understand what the Holocaust was.

>>30705776
Ugh, how can something age so bad in a matter of only a few years? I don't want to go back to get my genesect and meloetta, let alone go back to complete my living dex for bank.

>>30706624
i'll look into it further, but that was something I read.

>>30706455
>I'm too retarded to use the pokeride

it's not that bad

>>30706624
Yup, turns out its true. route 13 before you become champion, there's a Stufful waiting for its owner to return in the motel.

After becoming champion, the Stufful in there is now gone, implying it died.

>>30705824
Graphics sure aged badly, Online is also almost dead on it since ORAS came out and now it's even worse because we are in Gen 7, the story is really bad and the distribution is fucked.
I can't think of any reason to replay XY

>>30706759
I mean yeah I know it disappears but nothing implies it outright died.

>>30706813
The owner shows up in one of the cemeteries

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>>30706849
Nah man nothing implying death at all

>>30706813
Further info. On Sunday evening (I guess?), go to Hao'ouli Cemetery, there should be a woman NPC that explains she buried the Stufful.

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>>30706564
>>30706624
>>30706759

That was sad, yeah.
But X/Y have their own shit

> That old man who wants to borrow a low lv Pokemon of yours to play with because he's lonely after his wife died
> return later
> Pokeball on the floor with your mon
> and a letter thanking you, mentioning he felt happy playing with your mon
> You can find an escape rope nearby

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>>30706849
>>30706952

This better be a joke. God I have so many fucking berries I could have fed the little bastard and those old ladies could have fed it.

>>30706952
>>30706849
>>30706901
Pics? I've seen that spouted a lot but haven't seen any proof. Can't check it myself since I'm not at post-game yet.

>>30706812
Every single character in XY is completely forgettable. The OST is one of the worst and least inspired in the series, including spinoffs.
Gen 6 was a mistake.

>>30706985
Son of a bitch, he commits suicide?! ...Kind of pointless in giving him the Pokemon then, if it didn't seem to make a difference.

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>>30706985
>escape rope

Wait what? I know the old dude disappears but I don't recall the escape rope.

>>30706582
Any of the game's darkness is overshadowed by how utterly stupid it all is.

>>30705776
Did X and Y really look like that?

>>30707012
>>30707010
I'm looking into it right now. Just waiting for it to turn night in my game.

>>30705937
I'm astounded by how many people loved Hoenn to begin with.

>>30707131
Can't you try that world switcher thing with the Solgalio/Lunala? Or does that not work with daily events?

>>30705776
ponytail serena is so hot

>>30707238
Can't. in Sun, i have to wait for it to become night if I want to explore the alternate world. So far I've not found any NPCs, but TV Tropes does mention it in their TearJerker section. Implied that the Stufful may have died.

I'm leaning towards it died because it is extremely reminiscent of the story of Hachiko, but the twist being the Stufful was abandoned

>>30707385
*abandoned intentionally rather than accidental circumstances

>>30707385
>i have to wait for it to become night if I want to explore the alternate world.

You don't have both cover legends? The lion can remedy this issue

>>30705776
I never realized how short those characters were.

>>30706393
As if two sides fighting each other is new. They weren't even on the same side like civil war to begin with

>>30707426
I got Lunala in my dex, but had to trade it away for a Cosmog for living dex purposes. I have a copy of Moon, but I haven't started it. It's fine though.

Now the trainer in the desert that gives you the Safety Goggles, says he's been stuck there for over a year because he can't figure out the pattern to get out. Could he theoretically be the Stufful's owner?

>>30706524
Didn't XY get datamined long after the story was leaked by Josh?

>>30706697
I'm a lazy person and I miss my bicycle music. I'm glad HMs are gone though.

>>30706985
>tfw I showed up too late so the event didn't trigger.
Live on, old man, keep my shitmon and stay alive.

>>30707048
Maybe I'm a pokemon fanatic, and/or maybe because XY were recent, but I still remember the characters. The OST is pretty fucking amazing too. Route 15 and Laverre City are pretty fucking comfy. ORAS's tracks are indeed a hit or miss though.

If these count...
>Not remembering PokeBank's or PokeTransfer's themes.
I haven't played any of the other games.

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Fucking shit that game aged awfully.

>>30707010
Berries can't cure a broken heart, anon.

>>30705824
More like aged like fucking brie

>>30707648
>tfw I showed up too late so the event didn't trigger.
Live on, old man, keep my shitmon and stay alive.

I hope you don't beat the league again desu.
>>30707727
It worked for mohn...but with beans

>>30706812
It was really bizarre that ORAS killed XY in such a way, not making a compatibility patch was insane.

HGSS didn't kill Platinum like that. Gen 4 was a fucking perfect gen holy shit

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Gen 6 was such a train wreck, jesus christ. It came out only three years ago and looks atrocious.

...did it seriously look this bad?

>>30706126
XY is considerably less dark than gen 5. BW1 are probably the "darkest" games in the series.

I wish autistic people stopped throwing Zelda analogies at every single franchise.

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>>30705776
That fat fuck dancers model was disgusting to look at whoever approved his constant derp face needs to be fired

>>30707133
Original Hoenn was pretty rad, especially if you came from the GB era. It was big at the time, and had things never seen before like deserts and volcanos. It's really bad in the remakes, the blocky 2D build doesn't mesh with a 3D setting

>>30705776
Holy shit, after playing SM 24/7 that looks so retarded, did it look like that? Look at those heads ffs

>>30709033
I mean, it was okay at the time, but Gen 7 spoiled us all. Uneven terrain, a map that for the first time is not made of blocks on a grid and very improved NPC and building models, XY just falls flat

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>>30705776

So you think one day we'll look at Gen 7 with the same disgust we look at Gen 6 in this thread? I like to think SM hit a sweet spot in terms of 3D style that will still look charming in years to come but then again I remembered Gen 6 being good-looking

>>30706812
>>30707048
The entire reason for gen 6 existing was to make the fully detailed models of every pokemon and be able to use them for the next decade or so.

>>30709472
If the Switch port is true, then we'll look at SM in disgust before the gen is even over.

SM has horrid aliasing, worse than usual on a system that's already pretty bad about it.

>>30705937
Don't forget how ORAS completely trashed the eastern ocean routes.

>>30707048
gen 6 ost is great, some of the best battle themes in the series. SM standard trainer theme and wild battle got nothing on xy's.

>>30709515
The aliasing on SM is not that bad. I only recalll being bothered by it on trainer model close-ups. There is still a lot where you can improve though, I hope they make HD textures for the models if SM goes for the Switch

anon, i need update on the stufful thing if you're still around

Looking at Citra I think we can have an idea of how the game will be on Switch.

I wish they got rid of those outlines, though.

>>30705937
xy made me miss having a proper post-game, oras made me miss xy's postgame and now sm is so barebones it makes me miss oras' postgame. Can't wait for gen 8 postgame making me long back to the days where even though there was no national dex at least there was a battle tree with both single and double battles.

>>30706812

people still play XY online? Why?....

>>30710100
I like it more than ORAS and you can pull my bros from my cold dead hands nigger

>>30706697
you still have to press b

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>>30705776
it looks fine to me
reminds me of bravely default

>>30706582
Most kids villains want to destroy the planet or take over the world.

Its not the actions that are dark, its how they dwell on the implications.

It is really obnoxious how Pokemon fans try so hard to insist that there are true "disturbing" aspects to this franchise

As if its the only franchise they're exposed to

>>30710243
At least in Bravely default, the character models had somewhat proportional heads.

>>30706031
>>30706069
>x_x
>poorly drawn furfag shit
i can't tell when /vp/'s being ironic or not.

>>30710062
SM has more postgame than ORAS and XY combined.

>>30706393
More proof that the term cringe no longer has any meaning.

>>30710824

>battle tree
>there's a lot of legendaries this time I guess
>grinding to level 100 for the privilege of using my bottle caps
>island scan until January, for some reason(not even a national dex)

I think you may be incorrect, sir.

>>30710062
I for fucks sake, now you just trying way too hard to find something to complain. SM have worse post-game than ORAS and SY? Bitch please.

>>30710824
no it doesn't you sm-shill. It fucking doesn't have a national dex for god's sake. The battle tree has half the content the battle maison had. The ultra beasts quest is as barebones as it gets as well, it's just "text in motel room > catch ub" 5 times, the delta episode was better than that.

>>30710924
>Rematchs
>Battle Royal
>Looker side quest
>Catching UBs
>Catching Tapus

But yeah, no post-game right?

>>30705776
god i honestly don't remember it looking this fucking awful

>>30710987
>national dex
who cares, it's not real post-game, it's only useful for the shiny charm and now you get it at 300.

>>30710987
>>30710924
>ignoring multiple post-game areas

>>30710987
Who gives a shit about National Dex? Grinding 800 Pokemons every fucking year is fun to you? Most people already have a living dex for that, so its just a mather of tranfering their Pokemons one game to the other, barely anything challeging or fullfilling.

>>30710987
>half the content maison had
no
UB catching is about as much content as Delta Episode and Looker Quest
SM also has an actual postgame area unlike either XY or ORAS, there's E4 rematches unlike XY and there's different Champion Defense battles.

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>>30705824
>chili

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>>30705776
Jesus fucking christ. Can't wait for january to roll around so I can pull my gen 6 bros out of this abomination of a game

>>30705776
If we needed more proof we would look back at XY as the low point of the series, this is it.

>>30711048
>game abitrarily bars you from entering a tiny amount of poni island until you beat the league
>no new pokemon, no tough trainers or anything
>"SM has amazing post-game content look at all this new area after the league!!"
there isn't even new pokemon for god's sake.

>>30710988
>>30711065
if catching legendaries is considered post-game content now oras still beats sm at that by a mile, in case you forgot. Also the battle tree cut both rotation and triple battles eliminating 2 out of 5 battle modes aka 40% of the content.

>>30705776
I got three event mons in line and I don't have the energy to go back to this shit

>>30711152
>no tough trainers
>who are Sina/Dexio
>who is Mina
>who are that fucking brutal double battle right before the Tree
>who are FUCKING RED AND BLUE YOU DOUBLE NIGGER

>b-but muh gimmick formats that fucking nobody used!

>>30709570
Wait, what? What is wrong woth the eastern ocean routes?

>>30710924
>being this much of a genwunner
Anon, stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

>>30710162
I love this meme. Stoutland is as fast as a bike. Did you even play the game?

>>30711057
>>30711193
how far will you people go in defending game freak for cutting content without giving anything new in return? Jesus this is pathetic.

>>30711152
>it don't kount if i don't liek it!1!

>>30710162
For faster then bike speed was. Not hold B is ole bike speed. Just don't hold B if you don't want to hold B.

>>30711309
Were you mad that GF cut Sky Battles too?

>>30710772
>board related edit of an ancient caption is furfag shit

>>30705937
You are the perfect example of a /vp/ faggot. Believing your own lies like that.

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>>30711366
>the only one disagreeing

XY vs SM

Which one sucks less

>>30711492
S&M were great, X&Y were mediocre.

>>30711336
>beat all the sky trainers
>sky battles impossible for the rest of the game

What was the fucking point?

>>30711309
Theres two things I have been saying for a long time, that must be removed from this franchise right away: the HMs and the Living Dex.

The Living Dex at this point was becoming unbearable: 800 Pokemons from 7 different gens, having to complete this abomination every single year for the sake of completionism was pointless. Living dexes are already a thing, people who like to keep every single pokemon for thenselves will have their own national dex in Pokemon Bank by january, so what is the point of putting one in every single game anyway?

People who don't give a shit about "catching then all!" will have the chance of getting the shiny charm in a less paintfull way for now on.

>>30711492
SM.

Gen 7 is alright so far but it can at least hold a candle to the DS gens, at least it has some character to it and it doesn't feel like they gave up trying halfway through the story. Also it has thematic cohesiveness, something XY fails horribly at. Kalos is the most unmemorable region ever, nothing stands out.

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>>30711492
SM. No contest.

>>30711539
I thought that Anistar City was cool

>>30711415
Fuck you nebby get back in the bag

>>30711537
Sorry, its the NATIONAL Dex that must be removed, not the living one. Got a little mind fuck there.

>>30711211
BUMP

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>>30705776
>load up X/Y just now
>try to run
>still locked into directions
>that jarring instant-sprite switch if you ever change direction

>>30711622
XY is like a sprite game that turned 3D and is struggling to come to terms with it.

>>30711492
sm takes the maingame xy takes the post-game.

>>30710772
> Pokemon drawn mostly on model
> Furfag shit

>>30711492
XY.

Better and larger region, better written characters, a plot that doesn't revolve around someone other than you (yes, XY's plot is a trash fire, but at least it's YOUR trash fire rather than Lillie's), much better regional dex (50% larger!), better trainer customization, has gyms, has triple battles + rotation battles, has 3D support... XY would have had one bombshell of a third version if only it got the chance to have one, and you know it.

I'll give SM credit for the improvements it's made (holy fuck Pokemon Rides are so much better than HMs), that the music is great as usual for the series, and that Alola is still a really nice region.

It's just not as great as Kalos.

>>30711678
(you)

>>30710824
But ORAS has more content than XY and SM combined.

It´s just not "muh postgame content" since it´s not locked until after the credits roll. So /vp/ acts like it doesn´t exist, or doesn´t matter. This doesn´t matter, though, since the huge amount of not-postgame content of ORAS is still there, whether you guys agree or don´t.

>>30705776
Those bobblehead character models looked cute back in the day, but now they look odd as fuck, compared to the more proportional models from SM. I think ORAS looks kind of better, at least it doesnt have all those empty spaces, that make the scenario even more lifeless.

Really hope they keep the art style of SM for now on and only improve on the graphics.

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>>30711678
You have a different opinion?

>>30711211
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>>30711678
>better written characters
Even if this is horrible bait, this is something that shouldn't be joked about ever

Shit. Reminds me of when I got Ff7 on the original PlayStation .after played years of SNES era pixel games, I was like, holy shit, look at these edges, look at these polygons! I recently downloaded the iso to play on my phone, and was like.. wait. What? This? Little kid me got excited over this? But then I still played it.

Still, you have to remember, XY/Oras are two totally different GENERSTIONS. who could go back to GS after RSE? Who could go back to DPP after BW/2?

>>30711678
>better written characters

Finished X/Y the day before S/M, and I could literally not remember any of the characters

>>30705776
Those chibi models aged worse than the r/b sprites!

>>30711678
A lack of character does not count as a character, anon

>>30711725
>looked cute back in the day
they were retarded since the initial reveal. Bubble heads are funny as 2d overworld sprites, not 3d models.

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>>30705776

>>30711678
the fact that this both includes things xy is actually superior in to sm and blatant lies makes this extraordinary bait that I'm sure many sm shills will take, bravo

>>30711818
>Who could go back to DPP after BW/2?
pretty easy desu

>>30709570
What´s wrong with the eastern ocean routes in ORAS?

>>30711818
>Who could go back to DPP after BW/2?
I did. Many times. Why does it sound so crazy exactly?

Jesus christ I dont remember them looking this bad

>>30711818
>who could go back to GS after RSE?
People who wanted to be able to catch them all without buying shitty spinoffs, and who don't want to be stuck in eternal daytime. And those who didn't want to leave their old favorite mons and places behind.

I genuinely prefer friend safaris and horde battles, though. Also no reason at all to get rid of triple battles.

Sos chaining is a really nice idea but its annoying to have to chain so many. I guess it means we can get most pokemon's hidden abilities now, though.

There any good romhacks of gen IV games with gen VI Pokemon added in? I'd go back and play the old games, but there are too many Pokemon I couldn't use anymore if did..

>>30709951
even at 3DS res, it's amazing how much nicer S&M look without the outlines

>>30705776
XY confirmed for least replayable games in the series now. I mean if they weren't already.

>>30712679
that's diamond and pearl after you've played platinum tbqh

>>30712642
Shit, I haven't looked at cotta in ages. I guess it's up and running? Last time I checked on it, it wouldn't run games for piss lol.

This is the thing with 3d. Graphics quickly age like milk, while the 2d games are still easily playable decades later.

>>30712757
No no that's a thing with gen 6. I can easily go back to play n64/ps1 games without too much issue

>>30711678

I don't really think I remember anyone besides Lysandre and Shauna. SM has a lot of great characters.

>>30705842
Why does he wear the trip?
I used one for like a week months ago because someone told me to. Never be a tripfag, it's just annoying, embarrassing, and causes unescesary attention.

>>30710824
>not even a post-game city to host the Battle Tree
>Mega Stones sold for BP, not even side quests

>>30707117
To be fair, almost every Pokemon game has had an extremely stupid plot when you look back on it.

For example, I loved BW's plot when it first came out and though it was hot shit. Going back through to replay 4 years after the last time, however, left me feeling annoyed because a lot of the characters were weirdly incompetent and unimpressive (especially any unnamed npc, they had some absolutely stupid dialogue).

>>30706126
And just like TP it's a slog to get through and much worse than its predecessors.

>>30713120
Gen 1 still had the best 'plot' to me, riiiight up until the 8th gym. Giovanni being like 'oh, I lost again. Guess I'll just give up on my entire criminal organization because ONE trainer beat me a few times'.

But what I likes about the plot was that the gameplay wasn't centered around the plot. Sure, team rocket was a thing, and you spanked them around a few times, but it was the whole 'lets me take a detour from my Pokemon journey to save the world from this evil group that is planning on reviving some ungodly powerful legendary Pokemon that I'll just happen to catch and toss into my PC and then go back to beating gyms and the E4 and never acknowledge what happened again.' Nope. You beat team rocket when fhey happened to be there, but you didn't really do out of your way to find them. Current games want to have this big story about how the MC saves the world from whatever shit is going down this time, all while still having the 'im a brand new trainer just starting my Pokemon adventure' flavor.

>genwunner

I love current mons, features, graphics, I just think they need to remember their roots and stop trying to be so dramatic.

>>30712021
bump

>>30711678
This is the funniest post I've read all week.

>>30710988
>Looker Side Quest
>Catching UBs
But those are the same thing you retard. Stop inflating the list by being disingenuous.

>>30711152
The Battle Tree is still way better than the Battle Maison. The important fights are varied as opposed to the static fights of the rematches. Battling Red, Wally, Guzma, etc isn't the same as battling the Chatelaines. Once you fight the Chatelaines, that's it, you're done. Battling the unique characters is varied in that they have different sets each time.

Am I salty about them removing Triples and Rotations? Of course I am, I love making teams. But at least they brought back the team up system from Gen 4. It makes it more exciting that not only can I team up with Guzma, but I still have to earn it since the tree is harder than the Battle Maison.

I could only hope the Switch brings this shit back.

>>30711152
There are a couple of Pokemon you can only get in the locked off area of Poni. And every game keeps a small area away from you until you become Champion. At this one had some route to it unlike Kiloude and the Battle Resort.

>>30711678
>much better regional dex (50% larger!

I don't even comment on the rest of your post but it's hilarious that you think quantity is the only thing that matters for a regional dex.
XY dex is a fucking mess, it's like playing those rom hacks with every Pokemon in it where every route has 10+ Pokemon with barely any theme to it at all.

>>30705776
>gen 6 3d

How does it feel to literally be worse than spritefags?

>>30711211
>>30712021
In RSE, the ocean routes past Lilycove and around Mossdeep and Sootopolis were wide open areas, with various ways to get around, and a bunch of secrets and dive spots.

In ORAS, the routes are now all narrow linear paths lined with rocks around the islands. And they have loading zones at certain points that break up the routes.

>>30713960
>loading zones

I hate these so much. How shitty is the 3DS processing power that these games need to cut to black every other route?

>>30713960
So, the complaint is about the routes being wider in RSE, than in ORAS? Well, I never noticed this while playing ORAS...

I actually supposed the complaint of the other anon was implying that ORAS made the routes shorter in lenght or something. Or are they the same lenght in both RSE and ORAS?

>>30711797
Name a character in SM better written than Lysandre, or Sycamore, or even Shauna.

Exactly.

>>30714651
Literally all of them
Lysandre and sycamore have character but fucking shauna?

Damn this thread reminded me how unlikable these guys were. Serena was the only remotely good one. At least we finally entered the loli age now.

>>30714712
Fuck I meant Serena, not Shauna.

Fuck the other "rivals".

And don't say "literally all of them" without providing some reason.

>>30711622
>trying to get around lumiose city with fucked up directional controls, rollerskates, and a camera that's so closely locked in it might as well be pointed straight up the PC's asshole

just kill me now

>>30705978
>Not making ORAS their main 6th gen game
C'mon son

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>>30714651
>Shauna
>chara-
>>30714825
Fine.

Let me answer your question with another question.

Name someone from XY with more character than Lana.

Or any of the Trial Captains in general.

>>30714825
Serena was the worst "rival." She had a 3 party team for the longest time and got so mopey when she kept losing.

>>30711152
Visiting the Poni Plains and doing the Poni Gauntlet is fucking brutal though. No handholdy heals in between.

And when you're battered, thankful you reached the Battle Tree you enter and you get Garyed for the first time in 20 years.

>>30710987
>accusing people of being shills
>on a board where the extreme majority will buy every game anyways

>>30705776
I loaded up my gen 6 games the other day to get the current event mons and I really don't know how I managed to stand those models.

>>30715013
I stumbled into the battle tree with half of my team dead and fuckall PP.

Then those fuckers Red and Blue wanted to fight, I don't know how I didn't lose.

>>30715013
>you get Garyed for the first time in 20 years
Happened to me.
Did not see it coming.

Having to choose between Red and Blue was basically a question of "who do you rather want to put you out of your misery"

>>30714958
Lysandre. Done.

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>>30705776

>>30705776
These chibi models are why I regard XY inferior in customization compared to the lesser options of SM. What's the point of dress up if it looks unrecognizable 90% of the time unless you're in the dressing room due to chibi models?

>>30709492
there were fully detailed pokemon models before XY though, the pokedex app with all of the pokemon came out a while before XY was even announced

>>30715197
>I WANT TO DESTROY EVERYTHING :(
>Oh Lysandre, you're such a wacky guy
Nice "character".

>>30707048
>he doesn't think that rival Serena, who literally wanted to fucking murder you was the best in the franchise

>>30713291
>. You beat team rocket when fhey happened to be there, but you didn't really do out of your way to find them.

What is the game room poster?

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>>30711678
>better written characters
AHAHAHA IS THIS NIGGA SERIOUS

it looks fucking fine. you fags are exaggerating so much.

I actually had more fun replaying XY than SM because at least in XY there wasn't cutscene dialogue mashing every few minutes.

XY has ONE thing better than SM. Only one; Lysandre's schemes make sense (even if they're incredibly stupid), whereas Lusamine just wants alien fuckbuddies because her husband got lost during research into Ultra Space. Team Flare is MILES worse than Skull and Aether, but at least the goal of Team Flare was decently explained. What do we know about Lusamine's ambitions? Her husband is gone, and she wants to "protect" Pokemon from another dimension.

Granted, XY is more of a serious story in comparison to SM's more Saturday Morning Cartoon plot, but at least Lysandre's plans are properly explained.

>>30718797
Correction: While Lusamine studied Nihilego, it injected her with its poison that made her lose control of her ego and caused her desire to research UBs into a mad obsession with Nihilego, hence why she started acting differently and shunning her children. Just talk to the Aether bigshots and Gladion in the postgame if you want more info about it. Basically, Lusamine did nothing wrong. Of her own accord, that is, but still.

>>30718797
Lusamine's story is basically a PG rated version of From Beyond.
Nihilego mindfucked her and drove her batty.

SM actually did a really decent job at worldbuilding and lore. Reading some of the articles at the aether foundation labs felt jarring.

>>30719311
I thought it was cool and all, but seeing that Silvally's code name was "Type: Full" was so fucking ridiculous to me that it completely took away from any unsettling mood the game was trying to set. It's just so lame and corny.

>>30719559
You know what?
thats fair, type full is dumb as fuck

>>30705776
I'm ugly and I'm proud

>>30705776
>This was acceptable just 3 years ago
Some PS games look better than this.

>>30714651
Your mom in SM

>>30711678
>>30711678
I can't tell you anybody's name from XY other than Lysandre. That's how little of an impact the characters have.
Having a complete lack of characters =/= having better written characters.

>>30714651
Who the fuck was Shauna?

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>>30715013
>Sweep Red's team with my level 90 Mimikyu, no PP in Play Rough
Don't tell me you guys are repel/run faggots?

>>30705776
Its like going back to a Gen 4 game after playing a Gen 5 one. Or going to Gen 2 after Gen 3. Just so terrible. Even numbered gens truly are the worst.

>>30719910
agreed. just from a storyline perspective, gen 6 had too many duncare characters.

sumo might not have the best characters either, but there were only a few, they all had reason for being there (the fat dancemaster friend in xy, why was he even there?) so the story played out well for that reason.

>>30720208
i thought gen 5 looked worse than gen 4,.. mostly because they tried to make these pixel monster animated and it just looked awful

>>30720053
>Level 90
Should I pretend to be impressed that your over leveled ass beat a team that's in the mid 60s?

>>30720323
>i thought gen 5 looked worse than gen 4
The towns/routes were so much better though. Plus, Gen 4 games ran abysmally slow, unlike 5.

>>30715197
>Lysandre
>character
wut. All he has is "I want the world to be pretty forever so I'll destroy it for some reason lel"

>>30714825
I honestly have no memory of the other PC even being a character.

>>30719559
>>30719600
Holy shit this is my first tome hearing of this, that's hilarious.

>>30711662
that makes it sadder.

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>>30715197
>Lysandre
Team Flare leader

Pretends to be a philanthropist, but in reality his actual motivations and plans are basically Pokemon Hitler, used to be good until he became Pokemon Hitler for some reason (I think it was disgust at people who took rather than gave plus a desire to not have them ruin the world, but it's been years since I played XY), blatantly obviously evil but no one realizes it (until he gets sick of no one realizing that fact and announces on the holocaster that he is evil), does at least realize how horrible killing all Pokemon would be but justifies it to himself as a requirement for his dream world, dies at the end of the game or becomes immortal and buried under rocks (depending on version)

>Lana
Water Trial Captain

Playful, trickster ("Kyogre's at the bottom of the lake, and while I was telling you this I led you to the trial site and you can't back out anymore!"), has two sisters who look up to her as a role model and that she cares for, likes fishing, deadpan at times ("Maybe the splashing is caused by a cute strapping swimmer we can save!"), overall a nice person (gives you Lapras to traverse the waters before the trial, and a fishing rod after the trial).

Lysandre is a main character on account of being the evil team leader.
Lana is a secondary character at best.

I was actually about to say Lysandre as my answer, but I realized most of what I said about him was just plot spoilers rather than anything actually about him, while most of what I said about Lana was talking about her character and listing examples of why I was saying it.

Lana.

>>30710162

I agree, also

>Can't ride the pokémon indoors
>Have to get off the pokémon to walk through some tight spots and then ride it again since it's a bit too big.
>While riding any pokémon, your character wears different clothes, I know this is for the sake of not haging to accomodate every piece of clothing to look ok when riding the pokémon, but I'd rather see how my character looks since I customized it rather than the suit they wear when riding the pokémon DURING BATTLE, minor complaint, I can live with it.

Just have the auto run function, goddamit, is it THAT hard?

Is it just me or the shading is way beeter in ORAS than X and Y

I started playing omega ruby after beating sun, maybe its some kind of weird effect of just having a decent framerate again in double battles, but i think pokemon look great in ORAS

>>30716927
I had rival Calem, because I'm not a he.
And he was forgettable.

>>30720974
Calem was even worse than Serena. At least Serena being a pouty bitch felt like character. Calem just... existed I guess

>>30705824
I honestly like those graphics better. Chibi is cute and makes it gamier.

>>30705776
The models aged badly huh.

>>30705776
Mybe you should also look at Black and White or Diamond and Pearl or Gold and Silver?

Whats your point? You thought GF is some master of game graphics? You think SM looks good maybe?

>>30706418
>1 small subplot
Except that this was the entire plot you chucklefuck

>>30721097
Those are sprites, that's a whole different thing altogether.

MY

EEEYYYEEEESSSSSS

>>30721125
So? They still looked like shit compared to many other games of their age

>>30721097
It's less about graphics and more about art style/direction. XY and SM have similar graphics but XY tried to go for just taking the 2D grid-based artsyle of old Pokemon and transitioning it into 3D, leading to awkward proportions and areas, made even worse with ORAS.

SM goes the route of removing anything grid based or limiting in favor of a more natural look for characters and the landscape

>>30721152
You're saying it like XY and SM are their own entities and they're do this on their own

No. Its GF, its their incompetence. They needed 5 years to go fully 3d and yet the game doesnt even use the 3d because it would lag like crazy

>>30711622
>>30711653
I honestly liked this. It's harder for me to get my bearings and know where I am in Moon with the on rails camera. It's especially annoying when the view is parallel to the ground instead of 3/4 topdown. I can't see whether there's an item across a patch of grass so I end up having to cross just to check.

>>30721191
I don't think it's really incompetence. It's just that they took the style they knew best and worked from there to see how it would turn out. Then they decided to try something new to see how it'd turn out

>>30705776
At least it wasnt a laggy mess as SM. Even Triple and Rotation battle didnt lag as much as doubles in SM or even 1 on 1 with the totem effect boost

>>30721264
Problem is GF getting too prepped for the next console(s) by making Pokemon models with waaay too many polygons for the 3DS.

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>>30720860
Cheers, Lanabro.

>>30721292
Dude they reused the models from XY, what are you on?

>>30711678
3d support doesn't mean shit if it's bad
it adds almost no depth and cuts the framerate in half

The worst part about XY is that there are some really good concepts in there, just ignored and untouched.

The professor being very close friends with what turns out to be the main villain. The evil team not only having one of their members control the media (Malva), but also having said member as an Elite Four member. AZ's entire backstory and motivation. The entire postgame Looker quest.

But those concepts are barely explored at all. Sycamore's friendship with Lysandre is dropped like a hot rock, Malva's Team Flare links aren't even MENTIONED until the Looker post-game quest (although to their credit if you run through the E4 again afterwards, her pre-battle dialogue changes to reflect how you know the truth). AZ's backstory is dumped on you and then ignored until he tries to battle you in the credits, loses, and then gets surprised by his prized Floette deciding enough was enough and finally coming back. I actually teared up a bit at this one to be fair.

Compounding those failures was how completely forgettable the game's cast was. Who remembers any of the Gym Leaders from Gen 6? There was...that one with the roller skates I guess? The E4 wasn't completely forgettable (Wiksbold's wearing full plate armor was a hilarious image, Drasna was a complete break in tradition from E4 Dragon users before her, and the previously mentioned Malva), but even the Champion was boring and forgettable as shit (whereas, love or hate her, you DO remember Iris's surprise appearance as champion in B2W2).

Look at who got TCG card sleeves in Japan: the most popular characters. For Gen 6, that was the female player character (a literal blank slate), and the Hex Maniac trainer class (because Japan cared more about that than they did anyone with an actual name from Gen 6).

Contrast that to Gen 7, where Japan is now worshiping the ground where Lillie walks as holy ground.

>>30721649
drasna and malva are babes, and i love old gardener leader. otherwise agree to all points

Didn't /vp/ love XY at first though? What soured them on the games?

>>30721990
I don't remember anyone liking the games that much outside of the initial hype of following the man of many smoke breaks as he leaked new Pokemon.

>>30721990
If by "at first" you mean before they were out, is obvious that jumping from the old 2.5D to 3D was the main reason.

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>>30705776
You got to start somewhere, January couldn't come sooner. Gen VI was purely an experimental gen. Series is in a much better place now

>>30720860
Where is Lana in the postgame?

I really REALLY appreciate not being forced to wear a damn hat all the time.

>>30707048
>including spinoffs
nig you what

>>30711492
>tfw i like both

>>30721649

To add to those last words, the female player character is also pretty famous because of the Anime: Serena was a thing in the XY(Z) era and Anime Serena was a decent character compared to Game Serena.

>>30711492
SM had a lot of disappointments but overall it's a net positive as far as the direction things are going
>better environment design with no more blocky shit
>better models
>better story, cutscene spam bullshit aside
>somewhat better postgame
>better animal rubbing simulator

XY was fun but bland as shit and Kalos was an absolute snorefest, the characters were mostly unmemorable and it definitely didn't live up to its potential in a lot of ways

>>30711537
>People who don't give a shit about "catching then all!" will have the chance of getting the shiny charm in a less paintfull way for now on.
Or you could just make the shiny charm the reward for finishing the regional dex. And considering that the shiny charm does literally nothing of gameplay value, this shouldn't be necessary in the first place.

Are you legitimately retarded? I'm not talking 4chan autism, or even real autism here. I am wondering if you genuinely have a serious mental condition impeding your ability to think rationally. Because that is the only way I can possibly imagine someone would think "this optional cosmetic item is too hard to get, I'd better completely annihilate the entire process for getting it instead of just making it easier to obtain."

You're pretty much doing the equivalent of nuking the entirety of the American continents to kill a mosquito in Bumfuck, Mexico.

>>30723376
>Or you could just make the shiny charm the reward for finishing the regional dex
You mean like in Sun and Moon?

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>>30705776
Thanks for reminding me.

Also
>tfw you unironically look back at XY fondly because of how convenient the online was and how it's ruined now

>>30721015
Yeah, it's more reminiscent of the older games too and how the trainer would shrink becoming the overworld sprites.

SM lost quite a bit of the charm in all honesty.

>>30707052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9HkCHjnPnU

>>30711678
aside from "better written characters" there is absolutely nothing incorrect about this post

>>30711678
Is this a fucking bait?

>>30711678
I agree with this anon.

While I like Lilie I heavily dislike the constant fucking cutscenes, and as a setting gangster Hawaii doesn't interest me at all. I think Megas were a better inclusion to the game than Z-Moves and overall XY Pokemon had better designs (Klefki, Goodra, Greninja, Honedge line, Talonflame).

>>30714651
Lillie, lusamine, gladion, kukui, guzma, literally all the captains, all the kahunas.

>>30709515
You haven't played any 3DS game that isn't Pokemon if you genuinely think this

Thanks for the tech demo, XYORAS!!
Now rest.

>>30723991
But SM is the tech demo anon and this time its not even a meme, its truth

>>30724001
Many improvements require it. I'm not mad. Except for the postgame, SM is pretty solid all around and I've gained some trust in GF again. Just bring back PSS functions and add some actual Plaza minigames, and give me a real Battle Frontier. I just want a Factory/Rent facility!

Its sad that its clearly readied for a port/third "fixed" version though, although its nowhere near DP shit.

>>30724001
>every single pokemon game from now on will be either a tech demo or a base game remake with no lasting postgame features
it hurt

>>30722524
Konikoni City; go to the last house on the left before the lighthouse and head into the backroom.

Be warned, her team is meant to be fought after beating Olivia but before leaving for Island 3, so bring level 20s to make it a fair battle.

>>30724080
Well i guess we'll have to see if Stars will be Platinum level with some actual improvements or maybe somthing like Yellow with just few changes here and there

They said it should be out next year and thats worrying because i doubt it will get that much more stuff and not to mention its first game for Switch and we know how GF handles changing consoles (see DP and XY)

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>>30705899
It's difficult to excuse now, though. FFVII (minus the FMVs) looks like shit now because they were still optimizing things, hence FFX looking better.

By now, though, making a good-looking 3D model off the bat shouldn't have been this hard, especially considering the work they already put into the Pokemon themselves.

What's inexcusable for S/M is how emotionless the main character still is, though. It bugged me in gen VI, and it bugs me now. That empty smile, those emotionless eyes, and the way they constantly zoom in on it as if they're trying to convey something, but can't.

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>>30720860
Underrated post. XY spent too much time talking and not enough time showing. Lysandre is talked up to be a big philanthropist, yet you never see him acting as such. Diantha is a movie star, but you never hear about any major roles she's played in any movies. You're prevented from going around through Lumioise City because of a blackout, but you never actually see the blackout for yourself.

In Sun and Moon, you actually are shown how the characters are. Lana never says she's a trickster or the like even after the fact, you experience it for yourself. Lillie's self-confidence issues are showcased throughout the game, so when she begins to break through them it's a significant turning point. Team Skull are said to be a bunch of hopeless ruffians, and then you make it to Po Town and see just how hopeless those ruffians truly are.

That's what makes SM's cast more memorable; you're being shown them rather than told about them.

>>30705776
ironic since im at that part on my replay atm. doing one of those "shiny runs"

>>30711678
>XY's plot is a trash fire, but at least it's YOUR trash fire

Fuck that, throw me in the sidelines if it means I can get a more entertaining story. My player character doesn't have to be in the spotlight; that mentality of jerking the player's character off into Mary Sue-caliber is what ruins a lot of games' stories these days if you don't do it right.

>>30714825
The fact that those "other rivals" are just that proves how incompetent XY's characterization was.

SM's characters all have fairly memorable moments and personality, especially if you do the captains' sidequests

>>30720860
Lanabro here sums it up well; she's not terribly impactful, but those little, memorable quirks make her infinitely more endearing than most of XY's characters. The best thing about this is that ALL of the captains, kahunas, and whatever else get this treatment in varying degrees. There aren't many Pokemon characters you can say have worked a part-time job at a supermarket.

>>30711678
>a plot that doesn't revolve around someone other than you (yes, XY's plot is a trash fire, but at least it's YOUR trash fire rather than Lillie's)

I actually agree with this part, everyone loves Lillie but I can't stand her, I wish the world would stop revolving around her.

>>30722135
dumb frogposter

>>30725103
Yeah she's literally the MC of the stories

N treated you as an equal in the story

>>30714986
She was the most emotional, honestly. Beating Blue/ Silver was sort of satisfying, Barry or Wally or Hugh was fine, but beating Serena was like kicking a puppy.

>My dream is to be the best trainer like my parents
>Oh no, I can never beat you
>Ah well, of course I lost, you are way better than me and I can never measure up to you

>>30725142
B/W did it right. N showed up just often enough to solidify his place as co-protagonist, but didn't stalk you 24/7 and you didn't have to babysit him.

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>mfw sun moon

>>30725142
>N
>Actual trainer
>Isn't in every single cutscene in the game or mentioned all the time

>>30721990
The fact that it's painfully obvious that it's a rushed and unfinished game with no post game content. Didn't help that it came out right after the god tier BW2.

>inb4 mu-muh first version
Gen VI never got a third version to redeem itself.

>>30725087
>Kukui barging into your house all the time
>Pink fuckboi ignoring Team Skull
>I hooked you, huh
>I like boys with big appetites
>Press A to Pound
>My hiker was so pleased by your answer he just had to battle you
>Nanu implying he will bring back your corpse after Team Skull kills you
>Hau and Gladion's Happy McCheeful and Ow McEdge routine clashing

>>30725283
>xy had 4 friends
>none of them meshed well together at all or had decent chemistry

>>30725148
All of XY's rivals were like that, really.. Even the ones that specialize in certain aspects of Pokemon training, like the little nerd whose name I can't remember because he was so forgettable, don't come close to beating you, and the reason why is literally because you, the player, are a special snowflake and you will always beat them because you're so inherently special. I don't want to be told that - I spend time planning my team, my Pokemon's moves, and collecting. That's why I beat these shitty trainers, not because it was predetermined that I should.

Blue was always one step ahead of you. He beat gyms before you, he catches more Pokemon than you, and although you beat him a few times it's clear that he's actually competent (although you need to look past his shitty movesets), and his arrogance makes you want to beat him. I'm not saying all rivals have to be assholes, but if they keep telling you how great you are just because you're you it doesn't mean shit that you beat them. XY's trainers were all just really bad at what they did, and had no real motivation (except for maybe Tierno, although his whole dancing shtick was never even elaborated on - he just constantly says that he likes dancing, but never actually dances).

>>30707048
Oh right, Sina and Dexio are from XY
They could have just been some weird tourists from Kalos
Dexio could just be deleted

>>30725307
>Guy that wanted to take pictures
>Guy that wanted to dance
>Girl that wanted to be friends with Pokemon
>Rival that was so incompetent that he/she was more of a doormat to clean your feet after wading through mud rather than an actual rival

Jesus, they were painfully dull and complete jokes.

>>30713291

I don't exactly agree with you but I will say that it is kind of interesting how gen 1 (and maybe to a lesser extent gen 2) were the only gens where the main story wasn't just a typical "YOU THE MC MUST DEFEAT ALL THE VILLAINS, CATCH THE LEGENDARY AND SAVE EVERYONE!!!" like every other RPG on the market (more or less). That shit didn't start until gen 3 really.

Gen 1 was still part of that era where a lot of games left more things to the imagination, or to be pieced together without completely spoonfeeding you everything through unavoidable expositional dialogue.

and no I'm not a genwunner, gen 1 isn't even my favorite gen.

>>30725350
Seriously, Sina and Dexio were so weird when they showed up in S/M. I did not remember these people AT ALL from XY. Even their 'defenders of Kalos' bit required a Youtube video for me to recall.

I like Lillie in that regard. She's not a rival, but she's memorable, and she goes through a proper character arc. I don't understand why she shouldn't be able to take care of Nebby just because she 'isn't a trainer' though. She's been taking care of it for the past few months, just because it's now a big lion or bat shouldn't change that.

Besides, if literal kindergartners can become Pokemon trainers, what the hell is stopping you? You just need a single Pokemon. That's the only criterion, and you've passed it. If you just ask it politely it'll probably get in the ball for you, and you can use it to wreck shitty lv5 trainers everywhere.

>>30720946
You can really tell with Porygon like holy shit

>>30720860
Poor Lysandre had so little character the anime had to give him a backstory.

>>30714651
THE WORLD IS KIND OF LAZY SO EVERYONE BUT RICH WHITE KIDS SHOULD DIIIIIIIIEEEEEE

*sheds single tear*

>>30723991
That makes no sense, SM dropped everything about XYORAS, rather XY was the tech demo of ORAS.

>>30725578
Oh lysandre you're kidder

>>30711818
>DPP after BW/2
This isn't too hard since Gen 5 really just refined Gen 4 mechanics instead of making these big mechanical changes. The only thing that gets me is not being able to reuse TMs

>>30725148
One thing I despise is that everyone tries to paint Serena as your equal

And they rip off the Barry style
>oh wow yes parents are so great!

And they're just generic NPC's

>>30705937
>Not true
>True
>Not True
>True, but Sun & Moon's is even worse, but I guess it's still to early for the hivem-I MEAN...reasonably-thinking Pokemon fans to turn on them yet.

>>30709356
This. Let's be honest, Emerald and Platinum are the sole inhabitants of God Tier. Everything else bows down to them.

>>30706985
That breaks my heart.

>>30723127
>Anime Serena was a decent character compared to Game Serena
Don't you blaspheme in this thread...

>>30706985
The escape rope is bullshit I'm pretty sure. Your Pokemon has maxed Amie stats though.

>>30721649
>Who remembers any of the Gym Leaders from Gen 6
Viola, the bug type photographer
Grant, the rock type climber
Korrina, the fighting type roller skater (also total hottie)
Ramos, the grass type gardener
Clemont, the electric type inventor
Valerie, the fairy type fashion designer ( and local alien)
Olivia, the psychic type fortune teller
Wulfric, the ice type who didn't give a shit about grandstanding and just wanted to fight

Ain't need no google for that one, which is more than I can say for Hoenn and Unova cause I forgot all of those fuckers bar Flannery and Elesa and that's only cause they were the fuckable ones

>>30726543
It's Olympia actually. But I admit that gen VI had pretty memorable gym leaders. Actually, this was mostly because the gyms themselves were all pretty interesting.
Ramos, Valerie and Olympia I don't even recall what their personality was at all.

You could say the same about SM to an extent though. The Fire-type trial captain was really forgettable imo, but his trial was one of my favorites.

>>30721649
I really wish we could've gotten Wikstrom's armor in XY. Even if it was just for the Chateau.
>>30726159
>>True, but Sun & Moon's is even worse, but I guess it's still to early for the hivem-I MEAN...reasonably-thinking Pokemon fans to turn on them yet.
>UB Quest is on par with Episode Delta/Looker Missions in terms of content, a bit longer because you actually have to catch 10 Pokemon during it and probably want to reset them for Natures and shit while you're at it
>whatever XY had < Tapu catching < Hoopa's Bizarre Adventures
>Battle Tree is on par with Battle Maison
>there's also half of Poni Island to wade through I guess, plus finishing up Zygarde
Eh. "Even worse" implies a large difference between the two where there really is none. A large part of why ORAS got shat on so hard for "no postgame" was because of no Battle Frontier specifically, since it was a Hoenn remake and a Hoenn game is what introduced the Frontier in the first place.

>>30707936
>HGSS didn't kill Platinum like that.
That's because you're comparing a third game and a remake.
They killed DP.

>>30727635
To be fair Sinnoh and XY retconned the Emerald BF.
Just look at how it didn't even get a mention in XY but Sinnoh's did.

No one should have expected it after that.

>>30711678
here's your (you). lol

>>30728127
:)