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>>30701060
RIPped in Peace

>Gengar now in UU

At least Marowak is OU, for now.

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>>30701060
Gen 3 was weird.

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>>30701469
my bro Cloyster lasted a long time

Where is Gen 4

>>30701669
>Where is Gen 4
saving a lot of data

>>30701469
>my waifu regice will never be good again.

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Gen 4 got hit hardest by new toy syndrome. Also the gen where powercreep started acting up, as pseudos and legendaries started dominating the meta.

>>30701512
Fell to UU in Gen 4, only to resurface back to OU in gen 5 and fall straight back to UU in gen 6.

>>30701929
Is this in order of usage or just random?

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>>30701060
Gen 1~2 was a best time for Karenism, since it just had the right amount of Pokemon to choose from.

So the gen that introduced sneaky pebbles is the one where fire finally got into OU?

>>30702020
BUT STEALTH ROCK MSDE MUH BRO PU!!!1!!!

>>30701982
>random
holy shit, it's their national dex number

>>30702020
to be fair, wasn't blaziken uber in gen III?

>>30702020

A grand total of 2 going by the gen 4 picture. Both being neutral to rocks.

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>>30702231
of course not.
Blaziken only got its uber status because of Speed Boost (gen V)

>>30702231
Fuck no. It didn't get Speed Boost until gen 5.

>>30701469

>tfw Skarmory will never be to Fearow what Steelix is to Onix

Missed opportunity.

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>>30701711
It hurts to remember.

>>30701929
I was gonna ask why Garchomp wasn't in there but then I remember that it was banned to Ubers.

>>30702252
ironically both of them frequently ran stealth rock as well

Can someone who explain to me what powercreep means? I keep seeing it but i'm not sure

>>30701929
>Ninjask
>Electivire
>Dusknoir
Giving teams a weight in usage was the best decision Smogon made in the past half-decade.

>>30701929
Where were garchomp and salamence?

>>30702339
After it got banned to ubers, Smogon became ban-happy in the next gen

>>30701060
>>30701469
>>30701929
What is so great about Jolteon? Fast special attacker who can paralyze and absorb lightning?

>>30702433
Garchomp was banned to Ubers because it was OP as shit and could abuse evasion hax with Sand Veil.
Salamence was also banned at the tail end of Generation 4 because its mixed sets were near unwallable.
A base 100 speed used to get you a lot more than it does now.

>>30702407
New Pokemon pushing old Pokemon out of usage simply by being objectively better than them.

All Pokemon fill certain roles but some are naturally better than others. Power creep is when new Pokemon are better at doing something than an older Pokemon who was previously one of the best at doing something.

>>30702433
ubers.
>>30702461
early gens were a weird place.
as weird as it may sound, these day, the reason jolteon was so overused at the time was because of pin missile.

>>30701929
>Gen 4 got hit hardest by new toy syndrome.
Stop using buzzwords you don't know what mean.
Those tiers are taking at the end of a generation's lifespan, and gen IV lasted a long time. The pokémon there are good and not just used because they are "new".

>>30702407
>game has powerful mainstays
>in order to make new options viable, game maker makes them very powerful
>this continues until the former mainstays are now mediocre by comparison
>repeat with the new top tiers
tl;dr: Powercreep is when the game's maker raises the bar for power in the game with the new additions

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Snorlax, Suicune and Zapdos finally drop off. Also Mew was Uber in every gen before this, but drops to UU in gen 5.
>Jolteon remains OU

No, I can't explain Gastro either.

>>30701982
Random, though I try to order them by generation and dex number (if I can remember it, but it's not a priority, just the gen).

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>>30701469
How did it look pre FRLG and HGSS?

>>30702539
Take Excadrill off of there, anon, it was banned to Ubers, remember?

>>30702588
>>30702539
On a similar note, wasn't Lando-T also banned near the end of Gen 5 as well?

>>30702539

WEATHER WARS DID NOTHING WRONG

>>30702461
It was one of the few fast pokemon around that didn't have a complete garbage attacking stat. There were also less competition for Electric types and less bulky grounds.

>>30702407
when the baseline for average or good keeps being increased in an attempt to invalidate older strong things and popularize newer introductions, rather than simply allowing both to be good or usable by balancing them to the same point and instead buffing older, weaker things to expand the pool of viability

>>30702407
The power "creeping" out of old powerhouses and up into new ones, effectively shoving the old ones into lower tiers where the old deffenseless shitmons await. The top tiers however, keep increasing in overall power everytime. The best example would be what Fug and Groudon did in ORAS

>>30702607
Lando-I, not T.

>>30702539
Gastrodon with Storm Drain was a great counter to rain teams

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>>30701711

>>30702020
You mean the ones that are neutral to stealth rock? Yeah I guess so

>>30702641
You're right, I just misremembered that there was only a suspect test for it, no ban.

>>30702512
No, the reason it was OU is because it has 130 base speed and high special attack to go with it. Even now, only a handful of Pokemon have a higher base speed (as of gen 6, it was still the fifth fastest non-mega Pokemon, including legendaries). Add in that Electric is an amazing offensive typing, it only has one weakness, and it had a great support pool, it's pretty obvious why it was so powerful early on.

Sure as hell wasn't because of Pin Missile, which was only used in gen 1 as an emergency YOLO move for when you were about to be swept by a psychic type.

>>30701711
I think i get it but i am not sure

>>30702539
>Checked Excadrill's BW page
>OU
Did he got unbanned while I wasn't looking?

>>30702539
>No, I can't explain Gastro either.
>one of the best walls in Rain that can also deal reliably with opposing Rain teams being hard to explain in a Drizzle dominated meta
I bet you are wondering why Gastro is being used a lot in VGC right now too.

>>30702461
in ADV jolteon was one of the three mons who could hit the highest speed in OU, the only threat of tying with it was aerodactyl

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>>30702539
>venusaur rape train
>Tfw

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>>30702539
>Dugtrio was OU
The fuck? I played a bit of competitive in gen 5 (my real start was in gen 6, when some guy gave me a 5iv protean froakie) and I don't remember seeing dugtrio

>>30701060
>Joltwak

Good times...

>>30702895
Dugtrio was out in 6 as well, arena trap makes him a great revenge killer

>>30702895
He traps Ninetails, Heatran, and Tyranitar and KOs them with the appropriate coverage move.
In the days of weather, having an answer to the enemies weather setter was necessary.

>>30701060
How the fuck was misdreavous ou in gen 2

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>>30702512
Sub passing you fucking retards

>Pin Missle

What the actual fuck.

>>30702231
It was only OU.

Murdering Skarmbliss and sweeping with Blaze Salac was its game.

>>30702979
Gen II was the generation of stall. Stall in any generation afterwards have never even measured up to it.

Misdreavus was a meme mon with Mean Look + Perish Song.

>>30702979
Perish Trapping

>>30702539
>venusaur finally ou
>gen iii anally destroyed, breelom only rep not being a pseudo or a legend
>weather wars

Gen v is kinda a mixed bag for me
Still better then iii

>>30701929
>Electivire
Gives me a hearty kek every time

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>>30701711
Perfect.

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>>30702433
In ubers

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>>30701711
>mfw platinum was awesome and fixed all the loading and saving issues
>but D+P had already done the damage

>>30703055
>gen iii anally destroyed, breelom only rep not being a pseudo or a legend
At least gen 3 get rekt in its own gen. Talonflame was the only gen 6 mon in OU that wasn't a mega or an Uber.

>Assault vest comes in gen6
>Bisharp in OU
I was happy.

>>30702991
Pin Missile in gen 1 was like... the only good bug or ghost-type move. Jolteon was the only Pokemon other than Beedrill that even got it. Gen 2 tried to fix this a bit with Shadow Ball, Dark-types, and Megahorn, but Psychic was still super powerful.

>>30703268
didn't* get rekt

>>30703268
Narutoad and Memesword being uber means that they were a strong gen

>>30702697
Gen 4 was slow a shit and sucked ass is the joke

>>30703309
>Pin Missile
>ever being good
Pin Missile is a shit move and always was. You literally only ran it for quadruple damage against Exeggutor, for Psychic types taking regular SE damage you were better of just firing of a Thunderbolt.
>but Psychic was still super powerful.
Psychic was alright in gen II, it wasn't broken anymore.

>>30703338
Greninja, Aegislash, and Talonflame were the three gold nuggets in a sea of shit.

When did Gyrados become so good?

>>30702539
Where's washing machine?

>>30701469
>tfw Claydol will never be OU ever again

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>>30701711
>SLOW start was introduced in gen 4

>>30703447
Physical/Special split.

>>30703467
probably ubers

>>30703447
Gen 4 when it could actually use its Water Stab and got Dragon Dance.

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Gen 6 sees the return of Zapdos, Weavile and Raikou along with a lot of newcomers, mostly thanks to megas.

>>30703467
Between Heatran and Excadrill, don't know why OP decided to be a lazy ass and not sort them properly by dex number.

>>30703508
Feels weird not seeing M-Sableye.
Considering it was only banned on the very last day of Gen 6. Though, not including still makes sense too.

>>30703508
We also see the end of eeveelutions. Specifically Jolteon

>>30703508
unpopular opinion, I never understood breloom's appeal, I hope it drops out of OU this gen

>>30703487
>tfw they left sceptile with its fucking SpA when its much more physically orientated after the phys/spec split

>>30703508
My boy Forretress had a good run.

I'd say 4 gens of OU is pretty good for a Johtomon.

>>30703508
Mega Evolutions were a mistake.

>>30703617
Fastest Spore user with decent damage.

>>30703508
I never understood why Raikou was OU.

>>30703665
gf should make it so mega evolving takes a turn

>>30703508
I'm just happy in gen 6 Bisharp finally got to take his rightful place in OU

>>30703740
Did the same things as MegaMan, without taking up a mega slot and having access to items

>>30703745
Only if it completely heals a pokemon a la Power Construct

>>30703745
Even then I dislike it. I like having a pokemon thats what it is. It also limited use of items because "why use an item when i can mega evolve it"

>>30703503
>>30703487
I played ADV the most and Gyarados was still a frequent sight even with zapdos on like every three teams. Yeah you had to rely on HP flying to get your STAB but it was still good.

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>starmie still the king
feels good

>>30703546
Well that's the problem with a lot of these charts from gen IV and on. Bans became more frequent and OU at the end of the generations lacks a lot of the big guys that made dents in the tier earlier.
Latias and Salamence was banned far into HGSS' lifespan and had seen a lot of usage before that.
Scizor's usage during gen IV OU was just a fucking roller-coaster.

>>30703617
Spore, good stabs, not being Parasect

Frail as hell, but I love the little fucker.
I have one on carts since rse, it's my ultimate legends catcher.

>>30702539
Along comes Garchomp to invalidate Flygon forever.

>>30703830
Second guy, I never implied otherwise.

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>>30703846
>tfw 2 OU starfish

>>30703617
Spore instantly gives you momentum and pressure if it's facing anything slower than it that doesn't have Insomnia or Comatose. Once Spore goes off, you get a free Swords Dance or Focus Punch, which is pretty huge.

Staraptor on OU never ever.

Has there ever been an OU pokemon from gen 4 onwards that fell below UU?

>>30703990
i dont get comatose, i mean, you cant get statuses, you act like if you were asleep but dont get facade boosted and cant get woken up, whats the deal?

>>30704101
Electivire :^)

>>30703846
Why isn't Starmie a steel-type?

>>30704101
Jellicent, Bronzong, Aerodactyl, Flygon, Jolteon, and many others.

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>>30703864
Gen IV was one hell of a ride.

>>30704101
Aerodactyl pretty much fell off completely because of team preview.

>>30703779
Yeah but he was slower and had less coverage.

>>30702539
>Gastrodon
>Vaporeon
>Jolteon
>Forretress
>Jellicent
what the fuck
I was going to bring up Politoed and Ninetales too, but then I remembered how oppressive weather was in the gen 5 meta.

>>30704272
He was also bulkier and had access to Calm Mind.

>>30701060
gonna make a gen 7 one?

>>30704343
Gen7 just started and is having stuff banned left and right.

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And we arrive at this clusterfuck of a meta.

Hopefully some bans even it out, because this is disgusting.

>>30704303
>being surprised vaporeon was good
underage pls

>>30704379
>Aegislash and Lando I get the ban hammer before Phermosa

>>30704408
>you're underage for not paying as much attention to the competitive scene as I do
epic dude, here's an upvote!

>>30704405
Hoopa, Genesect, Pheromosa, and arguably Tapus need to be banned right fucking now

>>30704405
>Toxapex and Mimikyu are the only non-Tapu/UB gen 7 mons in OU
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED?

>>30704192
>one move tutor in Platinum made Scizor go from a literal who to king of OU

>>30704405
RIP gengar and starmie. Im a little surprised Zard Y and Thundy I aren't on there.

>>30704471
Alolan Marowak
It's an Alolan Pokemon.

>>30704473
They are shitting up UU along with Azumarill and Jirachi.

>>30701929
Gen 4 was a fun meta. Garchomp was a mistake though, that thing plus salamence did not need to be so good on so many fronts (but moreso garchomp). The power creep started there, but gen 5 just took it to a new level entirely

>>30704405
Vestsharp is still OU? How?

>>30701060
>>30704405
Took a long time but my boy Marowak finally came back

>>30704435
Vaporeon has great HP and special stats, and has been OU in three generations and BL in one.Only time before XY it wasn't good was in gen I.
It is like the face of bulky water types, how anyone can be surprised it was good is beyond me.

>>30704471
Talonflame is the only OU non mega/legendary gen 6 mon.

>>30703508
>Breloom is the only gen 3 non-mega
>>30704405
>Pelipper is the only gen 3 non-mega
I forgot how shitty everything in that gen was

>>30704421
Roach is fair and balanced

>>30704538
>vest
Stop it. Assault Vest was never good on Bisharp and not a part of why it's good.

>>30704551
Not anymore :^)

>>30702305
>somebody saved my pachavire

neato

>>30704584
>t. stallplayer

>>30704584
Yes, and Arceus N deserves a shot at OU

>>30704460
if you ban tapus then celesteela has to go

>>30704590
Well now Greninja is. Until it gets banned for memeing on offense too much.

I remember when all the hatred was directed at Rotom-Wash

then it moved to Genies

and now the Tapus

>>30704405
Kill Sableye, let's not do the same mistake as with gen I and wait until it is too late.

>>30704405
Only what, two pokemon have been banned so far? Give it time to balance out.

>>30704538
Life Orb and Lum are the two best options on Bisharp, why would you run Vest?

>>30704584
It's not exactly balanced, but it's incredibly easy to deal with. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it only really excels in beating poor players.

Calling it now, Greninja, Genesect, and Garchomp will get the banhammer before Pheromosa. Why? because fuck you

>>30704594
Are you saying that it is weak to stall tactics?

>>30704421
That makes sense. They are getting rid of the already known threats and letting people play with the new ones for as long as possible.
Zygarde, Aegislash and Landorus-I are already gone, so I want to guess the order for the next bans

>Quickbanned
Genesect, Pheromosa and Hoopa

>Suspect Test
Tapu Lele, Dugtrio

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FUCKING POWER CREEP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>its another "anything that threatens stalling needs to be banned" episode

>>30704678
>Suspect Duggy and Top Lel

But why?

>>30704676
I'm saying stall teams have no problem with Pheromosa, it is opposing HO teams that do.

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>>30701711

>>30704694
Because with the increased attack stat this gen Dugtrio is gradually turning into a mini M-Gengar.

>>30704686
REMOVE TAPU KOKO
REMOVE MEGA MANECTRIC
REMOVE HELIOLISK

MAKE JOLTEON GREAT AGAIN!

>>30704689
imo anything that stalls needs a ban
ban toxanigger

>>30704694
Dugtrio for the same reasons shadow tag is banned.

Lele because it's friggin strong

>>30704405
I hate this Landorus so much

>>30704737
marvelous

Greninja's next.

>>30704696
So who benefits from that ban? Setup abuse?

Screw these, where's my battle facility tiers?

Did they ban original Lando already?

>>30704632
It's gonna be a long time before M-Sableye is even considered for a Suspect Test: it no longer has Prankster when Megaevolving and there are 5 new strong Fairy in the tier

>>30704640
>Garchomp
??
What's with this recent hate for Garchomp? It's good but nowhere near as cancerous as most other things.

>>30704789
HO teams
HO v HO is utter cancer right now.

>>30704810
There's nothing wrong with him. Smogon will just ban him since he's versatile and consistent.

>>30704800
Yes
>>30704188

>>30704737
They are nowhere near as comparable and the only thing the attack boost gave him is ensured 2hko's on stuff like Keldeo and Azumarill.

>>30704830
Smogon hasn't banned Garchomp since gen IV. It was free to roam around in gen V in which it was arguably stronger than it is now.

>>30704830
XD

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why is he OU 1-6?
Why UU 7?

>>30704830
>Unironically falling for the "Smogon bans whatever they can't beat" meme
Good Lord you're fucking stupid. Why would they ban him now after 2 Generations of him being perfectly fine? With all these Tapus and UBs running around?

>>30704878
Pory-Z superior boltbeamer.

>>30704640
As long as UBs are around there's no way they'll ban greninja.

>>30704042
Staraptor is cursed to BL hell forever, maybe it can shine in UU this gen.

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>>30704878
Oh fuck off. Some pokemon havent even lasted three gens in OU. Take what you fucking have

>>30704405

Nice Ice types. No, Greninja doesn't count.

>>30704957

Isn't Dodrio a little bit better now that it received that speed buff?

>>30704991
Dodrio still has really bad abilities and only decent attack

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>>30704991
>Kyurem-B is UU

>>30704991
Someone please explain why Mamo is OU in prebank OU but not in pokebank OU. I don' exactly see who is outclassing it there.

>>30704991
>Nice Ice types
Alolan Ninetales is right below Hippowdon in usage and just missed the cutoff, it might rise once stuff settles down.

>>30705080
Yeah it's hilarious, but we all know it's gonna end in BL

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>>30704405
>THE CITY OF GUZZLORD

>>30705146
Prebank doesn't have access to LandoT and Ferro. Mamo is the next best consistent rocksetter

>>30705163
>being Dark/Dragon in a meta crawling with tapu fairies

>>30704878
Starmie disappears every time Aegislash comes back. It'll come back when the meta settles down.

Item clause when?

>>30705226
>Being a bug/fighting in a meta crawling with tapu fairies

>>30705291
When will VGC shitters fuck off? It's a garbage clause that has no reason to exist.

>>30705226
Also the really stupid stat distribution
>>30705340
Only a x2 weakness, and can learn other moves such as Poison Jab or just U-turn out.

>>30705389

Wow, rude.

>>30702948
Dugtrio was in RU until recently in gen 6

I remember using it in UU last year

>>30701060
Gen 1
>Legendaries: 6.7%
>Pseudos: 0%

Gen 2
>Legendaries: 12.5%
>Pseudos: 4.2%

>>30701469
>Legendaries: 22.2%
>Pseudos: 11.1%

>>30701929
>Legendaries: 15.5%
>Pseudos: 6.7%

>>30702539
>Legendaries: 19.6%
>Pseudos: 11.7%

>>30703508
>Legendaries: 28%
>Pseudos: 6%
>Megas: 20%

>>30704405
>Legendaries: 38% (UBs are 13.3%)
>Pseudos: 4.4%
>Megas: 20% (Ash-Ninja counted here)

>>30705472
This is what happens when you release ELEVEN competitively great legendary/UB pokemon.

Seriously I just don't understand the thinking. Good and legal legendaries/UBs outnumber good gen 7 pokemon 2:1

>>30705535
Because Ultra Beasts deconstruct the idea of legendary Pokemon. They have weaker BST total than even the birds and are not unique, with the implication at least some of them are shitmons buffed by the process of coming to this world.

>>30702700
I tested this on showdown and apparently at some point they unbanned excadrill and banned sand stream+sand rush instead

that's pretty retarded to me because no-one thought stoutland and sandslash were broken in gen 5

>>30705676
Functionally, they are legendary pokemon. And their BST's are mediocre but they're minmaxed as fuck

>>30705733
>Ash-Greninja isn't a legendary Pokemon
;_;

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>>30701929
Machamp being OU and one of the best leads was such a distant memory

>>30702539
Even Conkeldurr slipped down to UU eventually

>>30705676
legendary is a classification within the games code not a fan term
theyre grouped with the trios, tapus, latis, heatran, etc, so theyre legendaries

that said theyre way more overpowered than any of the sub-legend groups introduced before so even from a balance stance theyre even BETTER than a large portion of preexisting legendaries

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You guys think gastrodon has another chance at OU? Looks like a good counter to quite a few things this gen and only bulu and origami really fuck it.

>>30705773
Even if he's a legend, he still cant take the heat

>>30704991
Dodrio is a setup mon, Staraptor is a choice item rape train because GF refuses to give it SD.
Might happen when they remember it exists once the Sinnoh remakes come around.

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>>30705773
Because it's a legendary jobber

>>30705873
>Tapu Kek uses Vol...
>Celesteela uses Heavy...
>Pheromosa used U-Turn!
There we go.

>>30704580
If Milotic could get a buff somewhere, it would be pretty good too imo.

>>30705983
Isnt Milotic getting more competitive use recently? Pun intended

>>30704405
>Guzzlord is the only UB not there
Poor guy.

>>30705983
Milotic doesn't need a buff, it has already the stats and moveset to do its role correctly.
The only buff I could see for Milotic it's adding the Fairy type on it

>>30705983
>>30706027
Milotic is dcent in doubles as a check to intimidate users.

And this gen it can use an Adrenaline Orb to get +2 SpA/+1 Spe from getting intimidated. Could be pretty memey.

>>30705873
Maybe, at least it is seeing some decent use in VGC this gen.

Was hoping my bro Ludicolo would make his return with all this rain going around but it doesn't look good right now.

>>30706027
No idea. It didn't gain any changes from Gen 6 to 7.

>>30704405
No Salamence?

>>30706158
It needs some better Fairy type moves in its movepool. It should have gotten Dazzling Gleam, but nope, GF fucked up again.

>>30706177
Ooh, yeah. That's right. Adrenaline Orb exists now. Guess I better get back to work on breeding a competitive shiny Milotic since my Milotic from OR is now useless pre- and post-bank.

>>30706220
Salamenceite has already been banned, I think.

>>30706262
Yeah, some of the obviously broken mons like M-Mence, M-Luke and Megamom wasn't given the chance to participate in OU at all.

>>30701060
>Gen 1
Electric: 2
Flying: 1
Normal: 3
Water: 4
Ice: 3
Psychic: 5
Ground: 2
Rock: 2
Grass: 1
Ghost: 1
Poison: 1

>Gen 2
Poison: 2
Ground: 4
Fighting: 2
Water: 4
Ice: 1
Ghost: 2
Grass: 1
Psychic: 2
Rock: 2
Electric: 3
Normal: 4
Flying: 2
Dark: 2
Steel: 3
Bug: 2

>>30701469
Ground: 4
Steel: 5
Electric: 4
Water: 6
Ice: 2
Ghost: 1
Poison: 1
Psychic: 5
Flying: 5
Rock: 2
Normal: 3
Dark: 1
Grass: 1
Dragon: 2

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>>30701711
>tfw you can't defend this

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>>30706304
I'll never get tired posting this whenever Mega-Lucario is mentioned.

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>>30701469
This was the most love you ever got my Gen III bro.

The show pandered Sceptile and Blaziken more.

Blaziken was the first to get a mega out of the trio.

And now you're not goign to be in Pokken tournament when they are.

Regardless, you'll always be my bro.

>>30701929
Fighting: 4
Water: 7
Poison: 3
Ghost: 7
Psychic: 6
Flying: 8
Electric: 9
Rock: 2
Normal: 4
Dragon: 2
Dark: 3
Steel: 10
Bug: 3
Grass: 4
Ground: 5
Fire: 2
Ice: 2

>>30706498
Steel4stronk, pls nerf

>>30702539
Grass: 4
Poison: 4
Fire: 4
Ground: 9
Psychic: 9
Water: 9
Ice: 3
Ghost: 2
Flying: 7
Electric: 3
Dragon: 8
Steel: 10
Bug: 3
Normal: 1
Rock: 2
Dark: 2
Fighting: 6

>>30703508
Grass: 5
Poison: 2
Fire: 5
Dragon: 6
Flying: 10
Fairy: 4
Ground: 6
Water: 6
Psychic: 10
Ghost: 1
Normal: 2
Bug: 3
Electric: 4
Steel: 9
Rock: 2
Dark: 3
Fighting: 4

>>30704405
Grass: 4
Poison: 3
Fire: 3
Dragon: 4
Fairy: 7
Ground: 6
Psychic: 4
Ghost: 3
Normal: 2
Water: 8
Dark: 7
Flying: 8
Bug: 5
Electric: 4
Steel: 11

>>30705773
He's a mythical pokémon, anon. That's even stranger than legendaries.

>>30701929
DP was literally the best metagame of all time. Then platinum came and fucked everything up.

>>30706988
TYPES IN ORDER OF NEEDING A NERF
STEEL
WATER
FLYING
FAIRY
DARK
GROUND
BUG

ALL OTHER TYPES DON'T DOMINATE ENOUGH TO NEED ONE

>>30707128
>GF nerfing dark
>Ever

>>30705472
>Legendaries: 38% (UBs are 13.3%)
That's a funny way of saying 25%.

>>30705535
GameFreak did it deliberately for competitive play. With normal Pokémon, they're limited by that they can't be so good that they break the game. With postgame 'mons, since that's not a concern, GameFreak could make them OU-tier by default.

>>30707128
ground is fine and if anything fairy needs to lose its bug resistance

>>30701711
>tfw my first contact with pearl was on R4 card and i never experienced any loading issues


dont panic fags, i bought platinum and every other pokemon game i played, it was already on the cart

>>30707128
Bug isn't needing any kind of nerf

>>30707128
>STEEL
yes
>WATER
nah
>FLYING
no
>FAIRY
yes
>DARK
maybe
>GROUND
maybe but leaning torwards no
>BUG
fuck no

>>30704405
I predict
>Genesect
>Greninja
>Hoopa-U
>Lele
>Pheromosa
>Magearna
Are all going to be leaving OU for Ubers before the next games come out.
>>30707128
Shit list, doesn't account for how many more (legendary/actually built to be viable) Pokemon there are of some types compared to others.
Also anything that says Bug should be nerfed is automatically trash.

>>30707262
>Water
>Nah

Fuck off Masuda

>Steel
Remove Ice resistance
>Water
Remove Ice resistance
>Flying
Not needed
>Fairy
Remove Bug resistance
>Dark
Not needed
>Ground
Not needed
>Bug
Not needed

>>30707293
ice resistance kinda makes sense for water
>inb4 ice cubes
but steel resists a ton of shit for no reason and ice is one of them

>>30707128
>BUG
>7 types resist it, all of them found in the strongest pokemon in OU/Uber
those bugs are there because of their secondary type, only reason bug is any kind of good is because it resist ground and fight

>>30704405
>Gen 3 and 6
>Gen 7 taking up such a huge chunk of it
Embarrassing

>>30704511
But its a Gen 1 Alolan Pokemon

>>30704619
My boy Room finally has the heat off him. Same with Skarmory, due to Space Ship(ping)

>>30704737
Why wouldn't they just ban arena trap then so people who actually like Dugtrio can still use it in a place that isnt fucking ubers cancer.

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>>30707284
>tfw Greninjafag
>tfw Ash-Greninjafag even more
>even if Protean one get BTFO, i still have my IKEEEEE GEKKOUGA MIZU SHURIKEN

>>30707649
it's very different from kantonese marowak

>>30707739
Feels good to have been a Froakiefag from day one.

>>30704405
9 Gen 1 in Total

5 Gen 2 in Total

3 Gen 3 in Total

5 Gen 4 Mon in Total

6 Gen 5 Mon Total

3 Gen 6 Mon Total

13 Gen 7 Mon Total

Gen 7 > Gen 1 > Gen 5 > 2 = 4 > Gen 3 = 6

>>30707128
Fairy needs something small removed. Steel is up there for stall and because of fairy.

Flying is a good attacker, but I don't feel like it's too strong. Rock isn't on this list but everyone runs rock moves.

Water is strong, but it might fold if it takes a hit.

Dark got a nerf.
Ground feels fine. Hitting fairy will bring down the number of steel types, which will make it safer for grass, which will even out ground.

Less steel means we might see ice types show up again, also to fill the anti-dragon gap.

>>30706988
And you forgot fighting.

>no ice since gen 5
GAME FREEEAAAAAAK

>>30707853
>>no ice since gen 5
>Gen VI has Weavile and Person of Color Kyurem
Nigga just forgot to count Ice. It had one more 'mon in at the end of Gen VI OU than Ghost did.
>CAPTCHA: STOP Ramos
Clearly the weedman is responsible.

>>30707988
the fact that a god damn box legendary managed to drop out of ubers because it was ice type says enough about that god damn type

>>30702407

As GF got better at designing Pokemon for competitive, the stuff they made before was becoming outclassed. IE in gen 3 and 4 Dragonite was just a shitty Salamence as Salamence has a better normal ability and more offensive stat spread.

They've attempted to address it with hidden abilities, megas, and stat/ability changes after gen 4 though. Dragonite became kick ass after BW gave it multiscale.

>>30707988
I was looking for Weavile and didn't see it for some reason. Shame on me.

I must have just subconsciously blocked KyuB.

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>>30701711
>When you wanted to go to bed and those few extra seconds were fucking agonizing.
>I was also playing the Metroid Prime games around that time, and backtracking to save points was a dread nightmare
PLEASE LET ME SLEEP!

>>30708191
or you know, they just slap hilariously OP abilities on modern pokemon

>>30704405
By clusterfuck you don't mean the amount of pokemon in it, right?

>>30708147
Honestly Black Kyurem wouldn't have fallen so far if it had gotten Icicle Crash and Earthquake, both of which have been given to 'mons with lesser thematic reasons to get them and I'm not talking about Pikachu, Cloyster has less of a claim to Icicle Crash than Kyurem and you fucking know it.

Maybe that's even more emblematic of the type as a whole: we know what it needs (and really deserves) to be good, and we know it's never going to get that.

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>>30704405
What did Mantine get? What did Mantine finally fucking get? I haven't heard anything about my bro being good.

>>30708353
+20 base HP and Roost.
It's finally become special Skarmory.

>>30708353
20 increase in base hp
roost

turns out that's sufficient to give a nigga a break

>>30708147

Not just a box legendary, but one with a 700 BST and a valuable ability. I want him to be good so bad so I can justify resetting for my shiny Kyurem.

>>30706447
Fuck off Richard.

>>30708593
I dont think you know who Richard is

>>30702461
Thunder was way stronger then, and access to pin missile was essential against a largely psychic meta.
>>30702979
Only viable spinblocker when everyone ran spikes and leftys.

>>30702461
130 base speed was huge before scarves were a thing.

>>30702433
Fairy didn't exist yet so they just banned all dragons instead.

>>30701929
Explain Empoleon to me.

>>30708932
11 resists, rocks, good coverage, its agility+petaya set was pretty good

Empoleon's only thing that keeps him in UU is lack of recovery.

>>30708932
Agility meant a lot more back in the day. He also resisted a shit load of stuff.

If they'd give it Roost, he'd send Mantine back to the trash

>>30707174
UBs are classified in the game the same way shit tier legendaries like Articuno or Mesprit are. They're not box art pokemon, but that's still legendary.

>>30709087
dunno, mantine makes a neat duo with skarmory
empoleon in that regard has the issue it gets trapped by magnezone as well

>>30704878
It gets wrecked by Aegislash (who only recently got banned against) and outclassed by Greninja. If/when Greninja gets banned again Starmie will make a comeback.

>>30709555
>implying Battle Bond will get banned
Do we even know if Move Tutors are coming back?

>>30707697
Without Arena Trap, Dugtrio is just a shittier version of Excadrill

>>30709719

In the follow up game they will.

>>30709910
I know he wont be OU without arenatrap, that isnt the point, I want the option of using shit like sandforce dugtrio in lower tiers. You cant tell me the will not ban arena trap just because of trapinch

>>30704153
no steel in gen 1

>>30710164
>Doesn't work on flying/levitate or ghost
> is made out of tissue paper so 1:1 revenge kill at best.

>>30704405
RIP gengar and starbro, you will be missed

>>30710285
magnezone is OU by virtue of a trapping ability that only works on steel types
trapping is incredibly powerful in 1vs1

>>30710285
I dont even want arenatrap to be banned but when smogon babies eventually suspect test dugtrio I hope they decide to ban that instead of dugtrio himself, if the time comes

>>30704472
Sick rhymes, bro.

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>>30701929
>tfw this is more or less gen 7 UU

>>30707128
>bug
retard

>>30710273
Magnemite got Steel type added to it.

>>30713392
>>30710273
So did Sandshrew

>>30713595
Only A-shrew

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>>30701711

>>30702542
pre frlg was a meta called ADV 300, don't remember much about it desu, you an prob fine some stuff on it on smogon somewhere in the dex.

>>30703278
more like knock off and dark type buffs.

>>30703447
gen 3 when it could dd pretty safely, then gen 4 when it could actually use dd + waterfall

>>30703740
good cm sweeper, torn-t counter with ass vest, people near the end of oras started running some retarded shit with protect sub to pp stall with raikou and suicune as well, fucking annoying.