you must post ITT if your favorite mon is a shitmon

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How do we save him?

>>30666060
huge power

Given that Flygon is perfectly respectable ingame I guess this is the "if its not OU/Ubers" its a shitmon mentality?

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Feels bad man

He is so cute too

>>30666084
I love him too, but his terrible typing wasn't surprising.

>>30666070
>perfectly respectable ingame
Since when has in game ever had anything to do with being a shitmon?

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>>30665992
>No HA
WHY?

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It's too precious to ever dislike, maaaan
Skitty is a sweet child

>>30666106
I guess when I think shitmon the first thing that comes to mind is poor bastards like Ledian, not budget Garchomp.

>>30666084
He's already half usable in VGC, and he'll be a beast when he gets intimidate.

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>>30665992
>100 in two stats
>shitmon
Let me show you a real shitmon, anon.

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>>30665992
Ninetales my love, your glory was shortlived.

One of these days I'm going to make a physical Ninetales to fuck with people; its SpA is barely higher than its Atk

>>30666140
Intimidate will unironically save him
That ability carries any otherwise shitmon who has it

>>30666060
Z-Hypnosis Belly Drum in this rainy meta.

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>Furret
>Raichu
>Seviper
>Sandslash
>Pachirisu
>Camerupt
My entire squad's pretty terrible

>>30666191
I've honestly been thinking about Belly Drum as a way to save him, but it's just so hard
Any priority cucks him out of his double speed max attack when he's at half health

>>30666229
Doesn't Z-Belly Drum give you a heal? I can not into competitive, so don't know if that'd help

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>Leave BL3 to me!

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one day
maybe itll get a form of some kind

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How do you know if your Mon is a shit-mon

>>30666237
It does, so maybe I should try that.
Considering he literally needs rain, I've been thinking about running Politoed with him for max frog bros
Politoed is actually fantastic right now, so I might be able to carry him

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>>30665992

Posting because I want to, not because I must.
I love Aggron. Even if it were a shitmon, which it's not.

>>30666229
Pair it with Lele so you are covered against prio. Anyway, you don't have to worry about Bravest bird anymore, so I don't know what kind of priority are you thinking about. I don't know if it gets drain punch, tho.
>>30666237
Z-Belly Drum heals you first at 100% and then Drums, since Z effects happens before regular ones. But the strat I told this anon was Z-Hypnosis so put your foe to sleep and have a +1 on speed, then Drum and then have fun.

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>not even the physical/special split and a specially tailored ability could save it from shitdom
JUST

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At least she has a good looking shiny.

>>30666281
Using a move with a Z crystal doesn't affect accuracy in any way though, right?
I feel like risking it on a 60% chance to hit is too risky, even when trying to make a mediocre mon work

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>>30666060
>favorite is a NFE
Kill me please.

Thougj I do hope its older brother gets a eventual buff, would be great.

>>30666281
>Betting everything on a 60% accuracy move
Unless you set up Gravity first or something you'd get fucked plenty of times and only having two attacking moves would give awful coverage, it'd probably be better to have Politoed or Pelipper or whatever set up the rain and then just use Z-Splash with Poliwrath

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>>30666164
>thinks he's a shitmon

Atleat he has more than a Single move, they could of saved this guy with a z-move that boost all his stats and summons a horde of unown or a mega or something!

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>ever EVER calling your favorite Pokemon a shitmon

>>30666451
Objectivity exists, anon
The fact that we love them anyways is the real factor

>>30666451
i love my flygon but it's a shitmon

>>30666451
What's your favorite bro?

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NU shitmon it may be, but fortunately there's still enough to work with that makes it usable enough in higher tiers.

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Currently trying the Z-Celebrate set, but probably moving to the old one. One day you will get the boost you deserve, I know it for sure :'(

>>30666360
>>30666404
I know it's risky, but this strat on Xurkitree is ok, so I thought Poli could use it too. You can also go for a Z-Drum/Z-Splash under the rain, but probably other things can do it too better (even though I haven't checked). Give both of them a try and judge by yourself.

>>30666269
Politoed got cucked by Pelipper.

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>>30666516
I have too many favorites.
Dragonair, Flygon, Shiftry, Tsareena, Torkoal, Shedinja, Jynx, Toxicroak, Misdreavous, etc.
I believe in the heart of the cards.

>>30665992
Pellip-oh, wait.......

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Shitmon, but if you support it well it can fuck people up. I guess maybe it isn't a shitmon then, just niche

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How do we make him OU.

>>30666542
Been watching VGC senpai? >VGC
Getting a 1 mon advantage in doubles is a near free win with Perish Song

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>>30666532
I hope they never do away with Z-moves in future games. I was so disappointed with the apparent nothingness that Porygon-Z got in SM until Z-Conversion was revealed, suddenly it's fully capable of hanging out with the big shots. Z-moves come with all the hold items, dance animation and shit that it makes me worried they'll scrap it eventually when they become irrelevant to the future games' plot. I just hope they'll make it like Megastones in future games where you can get them in the Battle facilities.

>>30666552
>can't pick 1 he likes even slightly more than the rest
Cop-out answer

>>30666568
How are you going to deal with Koko and Xirk being everywhere.

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>>30666560
generic fish mon

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Where my fiskbros at

>>30666575
Not that anon, but I really just don't have "favorites" so yeah, kinda.

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>>30666575
Tsareena.

>>30666587
The exact same is said of Pelliper, except worse though?
You have teammates

Pelliper is rain + Hurricane which you pray you can get off before dying, or running Stock/Roost if they can't intsagib you They can
Politoed is rain + Perish Song, which is strong in the Protect stall doubles meta

They're side-grades

>>30666588
>implying that's not ancient Sharpedo

>>30666574
The biggest problem with Porygon Z is trying to decide what to put in your first move slot. I really enjoyed throwing Blizzard Porygon Z on my Hail team to fuck with people.

>>30666613
I'm more talking about the fact that you're running two frail as fuck Water Types, you aspie. What's the plan here?

What's considered a shitmon in this thread? Below UU/OU?

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>>30666574
They won't get rid of Z-Moves famaladingdong. I am glad Porygonbros got this gift and that Porygon-Z is seeing actual usage and it's not being just a gimmick set.

>>30666673
>UU/OU
>singles
You just get a special feeling when you see it. A feeling of, "Why am I even trying to make this thing work?"

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>>30666692
Sometimes GF is alright. I just hope Aggronite isn't locked behind Pokemon Stars or whatever.

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>>30666669
I wasn't even talking about the frogbro thing
That's obviously weak by virtue of having a not meta mon like Poliwrath

That guy said Politoed got cucked by Pelliper when they're both strong as fuck
Learn to read, you mong

>>30666261
Either it doesn't have any moves at all or is completely unusable even if it has a Gardevoir-tier movepool because of its ability and/or stats, worst case scenario it suffers from both

>>30666274
Keep telling yourself that bud

>>30666730
>Learn to read, you mong
That's me, Autismo. What the fuck does asking about Xirk and Koko have to do with Pelipper anymore? The dicussion was about your gay ass frogs in general. Add comprehension to your reading.

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GameFreak needs to get their shit together and make an SR for every type. That will at least balance shit out.

>>30666752
Because he's literally twice as vulnerable to fucking lightning?
Shit, dude

>>30666731
What about the effect of people needlessly hating on a Pokemon, I thought that that would be included somehow

>>30666274
>tfw I love Aggron but hate the design of Mega Aggron
Head smash gimmicks are the best gimmicks.

>>30666247
>tfw no Alolan Arbok
What would have been better, Seasnake Water/poison or yet another Dark/poison?

>>30666770
As if it fucking matters with those stats? None of them are taking a hit from either of those. The question is, what is your plan on dealing with them while still trying to make your fucking toads work?

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Noctowl means a fucking lot to me man.

>>30666794
Dragon/Poison

>>30666812
Dude, fuck. That would have been hype.

>>30666754
Nah, that'd be way too complicated, it'd be better if they just buffed/nerfed SR so it only deals x2, x1 and x.5 damage even if the Pokémon has a double resistance/weakness to them

>>30666451
/thread

>>30666247
>>30666794
>>30666812
>>30666822
Attacking Move that always Poisons and Merciless when?

>>30666828
I wish they would make stuff like Mudsport into abilities on pokemon. Similar to how weather abilities work.

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>>30665992
>jack of all trades, master of none

His 3d sprite is lame, I wish they gave him a more dynamic pose instead of having him flop around like a wet noodle

>>30666867
I don't think you can be a shitmon when you have decent stats and no inherent weaknesses
It's not even like pre-Mega Sableye where you could barely do shit

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>>30666867
I preferred his little bouncy dance in gen 5. at least he stands on the ground in refresh

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>>30666060
Just give him drain punch already.

For fuck sake Seismitoad can learn it but the FIGHTING frog can't?

>>30666854
Arbok could probably use a stat buff, or another evolution. Low HP, mediocre everything else. Merciless would be cool though.

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Always been my fav

>>30666867
The windsock animation is the best part of it

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>>30666828
To be honest, I agree with him. If it's a move that fucks up Fire, Flying, Bug and Ice-types, and a shit ton of Pokemon can learn it, it's not fair. At all.

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why does life have to be so cruel to cute edgemons

>>30666947
We need a new ability that defogs upon entering and then give it to Charizard. Dramatic Entrance or some shit. Sneaky Pebbles are so obnoxious.
I use a midday Lycanroc on wifi with SR/Roar and a Red Card, max speed ev's. I'm an awful person for enjoying this

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>>30665992
>quiver dance is just a slight buff
rip my grass bae

>>30665992
>STAB Earthquake with Dragon Dance
>Still shit
Isn't he suppose to be the new Gyarados???
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
GIVE HIM HA ARENA TRAP!!!!

>>30666977
It's not just about Zard. Ice and Bug-types need some buff too. This fucks them up.

>>30666977
>Blowback
>Clears all hazards and stat changes upon switch in

>>30667027
To be fair, smogonbird nerf, Leech Life buff and general meta shift away from sneaky pebbles has helped bugs a lot
Ice is forever shit, though
Gonna try that SR/Roar doggo shit myself, though

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>>30666854
i was thinking electric dark with strong jaw
-10 spdef + 10 speed
-10 Spa + 10 Attack

>>30667060
>Implying Aurora Veil, good Ice mons and new abilities didn't help it out a ton

>>30666971
The fuck you on? It can now run 4 attacking moves as a Mega and start the turn with base 115 Speed and 150 Attack on top off the STABed Knock Off it already had, and if you fear getting Mach Punched just pair it with Tapu Lele

>>30667117
>Aurora Veil

How is this actually working out in practice, it seems pretty good

>>30667165
A Ninetails with Porygon Z
Turn 1 Veil with you hopefully not getting cucked by two priority moves (Sash saves you from one) and use Z-Conversion
From there, you spam Porygon Blizzards while also being bulky

Decent

>>30667165
It's pretty fucking good. It makes shit incredibly bulky. Alolan Sandslash can run retarded shit like Assault Vest to fuck with people. Blizzard Z-Conversion Porygon Z becomes a monster with that buff + Veil.

>>30666999
nice 69

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There's always hope. My favorite used to be a shitmon and then it couldn't stop going fast.

>>30666811
I used a set with Hypnosis, Protect, Roost and Night Shade, with a Lum Berry and, man, I remember he wasn't that bad

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Until recently my favourite was terrible.

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>>30665992
He's tied with my other favorite Pokemon (who's thankfully not a shitmon) so I guess I belong here.

But hey, he got DD this gen so thats a start. It still baffles me though that GameFreak is so unwillling to do much to improve him. I mean, when you think about it, Flygon was featured in every regional dex since BW2 and came out high in that Japanese anime poll thingy, so they at least have to be aware of it's popularity? Just another case of GameFreaks logic I guess.

ITT: people not knowing what a shitmon is

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1 letter away

>>30667476
Garchomp is just THAT popular.

>>30667561
I don't buy that argument. By that logic, they should have never created Perfect Zygarde. Or never given Blaziken Speed Boost because Charizard is just that popular.

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>cries in singles

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>tfw no buffs

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:(

>>30667795
Ground/Ghost is just a really crappy typing defensively, especially on a slow Pokemon. 5 common weaknesses, Pursuit weakness, Knock Off weakness etc.

>>30667522
o no

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RIP

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>>30665992
JUST GIVE IT SHELL SMASH ALREADY GAMEFREAK. WHY IS IT SO GOD DAMN HARD FOR YOU STINGY FAGGOTS AAAGGH
>>30666167
It's new form is solid though. You should give it's sidegrade a try.
>>30666894
>Doesn't get Liquidation
GameFreak really does hate the poor thing.
>>30666811
I wish it was good too. Pulled some weight in my Platinum run.

>>30670025
/vp/ way overestimated the effect the lack of Levitate would have on that thing
Cursed Body is a mixed blessing in the Terrain meta

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;_;
rips shit up but can't take hits without a sash, and you want the extra damage from a life orb. maybe even specs because you can't survive setting up quiver dance most of the time.

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>tfw saved by Megas

It took you over a decade but we got there

>>30670073
Bug types always get the short end of the stick and they're the reason pokemon exists.

Its not fair. ;-;

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>all these "shitmon"

You people don't know what it's like.

>>30670201
>Parasect is a bad Pokemon in PU
Ouch

>>30670163
It's still a shitmon

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Not my favourite anymore but I was fucking obsessed with it as a kid.

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>>30667350
good typing
decent stats
good stab
good ability
couldn't make it
rest in peace cuddle bug

>>30670275
Beedrill is decent this gen now that it no longer has to run Protect.

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>>30665992
It used to be decent...Gen 7 killed it.

>>30670275
But muh speed

and Poison Jab

>>30665992
>>30666084
>>30666125
>>30666261
>>30666532
>>30666560
>>30666971
>>30667476
>>30670025
>>30670339
>>30670492

>people who have no idea what a shitmon is

>>30670591
Enlighten us, oh shitmon-master.

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real rodent hours who up

also >>30670492
How did gen 7 make Arcanine a shitmon? I despise Arcanine and hate going against that thing.

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>>30665992
My favorite starter and the one I have the fondest memories with, and I can barely use him in even RU thanks to sly gravel

>>30670610

These are shitmon

>>30666164
>>30666247
>>30666811
>>30666999
>>30670201
>>30670663

>>30670806
If it makes you feel slightly better, I'm pretty damn certain that he'll get a mega. If a mega can make a PU shitmon like Lopunny an OU goddess, then Typlosion should have nothing to worry about provided it gets a good typing (and HA)

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Normal Mawile still counts... right?

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This and Honchkrow

>>30670820
>>30666451

>>30670875
I think the Mega train has passed already and GF has moved onto Z Moves and shit

>>30666437
At least they had a movie about them.

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>>30665992

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>>30670931
I use my favorite pokemon because I like him, he just also happens to be shit.
Some pokemon just have really terrible stat distribution/typing/movepools/etc, how else would you like to define them?

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waddup

>>30671054
It's pretty fun to use in UU actually.

>>30671054
I miss Sceptile, he was apart of my XY dream team.

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>lurantis stole any popularity that it had
>lurantis ended up being shit too
It ain't easy

>>30666971
Parting shot would shoot it to ou, that kind of pivoting paired with magic bounce would be so nice. I can only dream my favorite sparkle dog will become a king one day.

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>>30665992
>No coverage

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>>30665992
>PU
It hurts.

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>gimmick mon
>useful
pick one

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>>30666519
I ended up getting a shiny Chinchou of GTS yesterday without noticing it until it evolved.

>>30669830
WHY COUDLN'T SAMUROTT BE BETTER REEEE

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If it just had a better movepool it'd be decent.

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Diancie should have just been a fucking evolution of carbink instead of a legendary.

Fuck mega evolutions.

>>30670663
It's not UU atm, but crap like Keldeo, Zard-Y, Scizor is. People are going nuts and not realizing that this shit literally happens every gen and that a meta needs time to develop.
I mean fuck, Keldeo was UU and Trevenent was OU at the start of XY.

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If only it weren't such shit

>>30671054
Mega Sceptile is far from a shitmon. It's high UU. Even regular Sceptile was banned from NU

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>>30666938
Don't worry Dunsparce, we can share the same space together

>>30672563
>Diancie should have just been a fucking evolution of carbink instead of a legendary.
Why not both, pew?

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>>30666294
He's still my favorite mon of all time but....

>>30672591
Honestly what could bring him back? SM UU is ORAS OU, basically the entire old UU tier has dropped as well.

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>>30672730
FOR NOW! Jeez, did you read my post? I literally said this happens at the start of every new gen. Old reliable mons will drop down for a while due to new toy syndrome before eventually finding their way back to their olds tiers.

Some mons will be pushed down, for sure, but stuff like Arcanine who were the best of their craft will stay where they belong. I mean hell, there's no Goddamn way crap like Wishiwashi is gonna stay UU over Arcanine or Chandelure.

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>>30672676
Because then I could breed for a good one even though it would still be shit tier.

Why did they have to give it such low HP man

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Fix me /vp/

>>30666060
Send him to anger management therapy sessions.

>>30666060
He makes a decent partner for Politoed in doubles at least.

>>30670591
T-thanks

>>30666084

Maybe once intimidate releases he might be decent if he can get lucky with flame charge.

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>>30665992

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we're part of this club now, apparently

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>gets buffed
>Gets outclassed by fucking sandslash

JUST

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>>30672549
Walrein was my fucking shit in RSE.
But even back then when I had no clue what IVs/EVs were, I was perplexed as to why it didn't seem to do much damage. I don't even understand why it's base stats are so shity when it's part of the 3-stage evolution family.

530 BST is standard for all Starter pokemon, right? And they just fucked up the stat distribution on Walrein so it doesn't excel in anything.

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>>30665992
>no mega stone available in SM
It's not fair.

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>>30665992

I will always love you Lapras.

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>signature move gets buffed
>Mismagius is the one who actually benefits
It's hard, being this shit. But I love him anyway.

>>30675712
>not using stallwrein in a gen 4/5 ice team

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Who thought giving Archeops a shit ability was a good idea

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>>30665992
Why can't you be good Deoxys? You were the chosen oneeeeee!!!

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The ruse isn't worth it
gf remove teamview plz
Eh BL2 isn't THAT bad, r-r-right?

>>30675883
It was Game Freak's way of balancing out its stats.

>>30675565
Beartic is only inferior as it lacks Earthquake. It doesn't get OHKO'ed by Mach Punch at least. 30 more attack makes a big difference too.

>>30666560
Give it technician, bullet punch, and accelerock?

>>30666867
He swims like an actual lamprey and I love it.

>>30666068
Not an option for him, he is neither a rabbit nor a creature with long appendages on its head that resemble a rabbit's ears

>>30675962
Instead of removing team previews GF should buff illusion in a way that ruse can disguise as any pokemon in your team.

ITT: retards who think UU means shitmon

>>30676613
Excuse you, I posted something from RU.

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>Not even priority can save it
>a pain to make work even in game
>signature move is good, on plenty of other pokemon
>just a crappier version of pretty much any other fighting type

>>30665992
Flygonfags are the scum of the earth

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I wish pangoro was good.

>>30675883
because it has better stats than many legendaries
doesn't justify shitting on it so hard but that was probably their reasoning

>>30670339
since when is borderline Uber a shitmon you dolt

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>>30672201

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>>30670201
mah nigga

A-Atleast Leech Life w-was buffed, r-right?

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>>30677232
>borderline Uber

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>>30677378
Hey Bro! Ready for another fun year in PU?

>>30666169
>Intimidate will unironically save him
>That ability carries any otherwise shitmon who has it
Yes, because Tauros is everywhere.
Fucking moron.

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It used to be one, now I can't walk two steps without bumping into one
All you people are posers, I'm the only one who truly appreciates her!

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Where is the sandstorm form Gamefreak?

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Can it have Brave Bird or something that doesn't make it look like an inferior Staraptor?

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>Favourite mon is top dog of UU

good enough for me

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>>30675749
My nigga

>>30673075
New Stats:
Hp: 90
Atk: 145
Def: 105
SpA: 90
SpD: 80
Spe: 60

>Now learns: Knock off

>New moves:

Famelic Fang [Fight][Physical]
90 BP 100%A Contact
User recovers 50% of the damage dealt

Voltvreckt Storm
40BP 100% A Contact
+1 priority


Did I?

>>30679476
The priority move is electric and physical

>>30665992
How is Flygon a shitmon?

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>This and Toucanon are favorites

Fuck speed cutting evoloutions

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sometimes this guy can work with a quick feet toxic orb set, but most of the time he's just a shitmon