>Decidueye seeing high use in Pokebank UU

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>>30657960
NO HE IS OU AND MAYBE UBERS! Don't fucking disrespect the best starter like that! What are you a trannyfag or sealfag! We all know he's lower OU at minimum and the canon starter. I mean Ash has him so he has to be canon.
Fuck SMOGON!!!!!

>>30658147
Calm down anon. Decidueye is UU, Incineroar is RU, and Primarina is PU. Owl still wins.

It's not bad.
I want to see what the new tutors bring to the table in the remakes/third version/sequel.

>>30657960
Stage 3: Bargaining

>not migrating en-masse to UU now that OU is Diet Ubers stomping grounds of lesser legendaries, UBs and a few assorted cancermons

>>30658169
Decidueye is the best, however Primarina and Incineroar are both UU, just lower.

>>30658194
From the beginning I knew Decidueye wouldn't be in OU.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sun-moon-uu-speculation-and-discussion-thread-see-post-85-for-uu-alpha.3587419/page-4

Here's the speculation page.

Funbro dropped hard ;-;

>>30658169
>Primarina PU
>PU
Anon, that would be like putting Meme Sword in RU, they're way to good for those tiers.
Even though I love PU and RU

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>>30658169
I demand source.
>>30658234
I'll read that.

>>30658147
this pic made me fucking kek

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>>30658281
Primarina is high UU, it was the only one of the starters to get an OU discussion thread. Incineroar is probably gonna be RU, or even NU depending on the metas there and how it holds up in them.

It's by far gonna be the best of the three in Doubles once its HA comes out. Even in Singles it's gonna work out as an alternative to Arcanine and probably jump a tier, but no higher than UU.

>>30658218
I don't get why everyone's so obsessed with OU, it sucked last gen too.

>>30658417
Smogon sucked last gen in general. That's why I switched to VGC this year.

And if it means anything, my Decidueye on my VGC team is fantastic.

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This seems fine. I remember a bunch of people on here coming to the conclution it would be really good in UU due to its sub par stat distribution but godlike movepool. I am surprised Incin is seeing this much play though

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen7pokebankou-493664151

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>>30658234
>everything in bold
Jesus fuck what the hell is happening

>>30658234
Decidueye is not the best. Primarina has put in far more work in UU tourneys than Decidueye?

>>30658822
*delete question mark

Decidueye has set to be seen based on the words of the people of the UU chat.

>>30658435
>Decidueye on my VGC team is fantastic.
> Decidueye
> VGC


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anyone know what all dropped to UU? I can't find the usage chart.

>>30657960
I don't see Pokebank UU on showdown. Where is it? Is it Tournament and Challenge only?

>>30658147
>>30658169
Kek, Primarina is better in Singles and Incineroar is better in Doubles, either way Decidueye is the worst starter this generation.

>>30657960
It and primarina still really near their HA and I wish to see that soon.

>>30658397

I feel like Primarina will be much better once she gets her hidden ability. The thing that drives down spore users is shitty typing and offensive ability. With Liquid Voice making Sing hit 100%, she'll definitely have some utility. However, I think she'll be most useful in battles. Liquid Voice turns Hyper Voice into a surf that doesn't hit your allies and hits through substitute, plus dazzling gleam/ice beam gives good coverage. If only she were a little faster, but that might be remedied with choice scarf. However, that means she can't sleep opponents without having to switch out, and switching out in doubles carries much greater risk.

>>30659469
Decidueye was the only one to reach past 5% usage in standard OU (if it wasn't for Pokebank, Decidueye would be the only Alolan starter in OU), and was use significantly more than both in Pokebank OU. And it wasn't 1100 shitters that spammed it on every team either. It was being used way more in 1600+.

>>30659637
Liquid voice doesn't make any moves 100% accurate.

>>30659686

Really? Shit, I heard that Liquid Voice also made sound based moves hit 100%.

>>30659725
The sole thing Liquid Voice does is make Sound moves turn into the water typing. No boosts to power or accuracy at all (aside from STAB)

>>30659417
They host tourneys and Decidueye is not common at all.

more like NU

N U M A L E S
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>>30659659
>Implying Decidueye wasn't that high because nu-males were still hanging on to that last shred of hope that it was OU
>Implying Decidueye wasn't that high because of it being a shiny new toy
>His only claim for Decidueye being OU is in a nerfed/incomplete/restricted metagame

If the metagame needs to be restricted for Decidueye to be OU then it obviously isn't OU period. Try checking out the Pokebank Usage Statistics sometimes.

>>30657960
There's no such thing as Pokebank UU, so what the fuck are you talking about?

The only thing thats UU related thats been going on is the SM UU pre-Alpha tour, and Deciudeye saw very little use there.

>>30660212
I think that's what he thinks will happen once Pokebank UU is released or whatever. That Decidueye will be some instant top-tier UU Pokemon.

>>30660212
>Deciudeye saw very little use there.

I knew it.

>>30660142
Wow. Great job moving your own goal post and damage control in one post.

It still stands that Decidueye is the most popular among all fans, and in competitive play.

Well, i have actually played Alpha UU tours and won a few, Decidueye was legit before the drop of things from OU, but now in Alpha is just shit, Primarina the same, was good before, but now than we got the drops from OU they are shit
Incineroar is a worse Arcanine.

>>30661134
Glad you agree. Decidueye is popular because it's popular. Not because it's actually fucking good.

>>30658234
PYUKUMUKU DID IT

>>30661497
It is good tho. It can wall and toxic/curse stall tons of things while trapping foes to either get confirmed kills or prevent double switches.

>>30661134
Nice damage control, that wasn't even the person who you originally responded too. And no, Primarina still outclasses it in Singles and Incineroar does the same in Doubles, and it'll stay that way after bank comes out. Also, most popular among fans doesn't mean shit; Sceptile is now more popular than Blaziken but Blaziken is still leagues better as it is the only starter viable in Ubers.

So are Fissure Machamp and the like actually gonna happen when Pokebank hits SM?

>>30662385
Here's what I expect

Bank only allows RBY and GSC mons to remain in their respective gens. You can totally bank them but you cant take them out into Sun and Moon.

>>30662341
Decidueye is not as bad as u think. Though it will drop down from OU, during the pre bank phase, it had secured usage from the upper ladder players (~ top 7%) in order to qualify as ou. It wouldnt be easy to just push a bad mon purely based on popularity because players would lose out to top teams as the their teams would filled with useful pokemons. U wouldn't want to be handicapped with a bad mon and wouldn't be able to win as well.

Th>>30662341
us decidueye does have its uses though it may not be spectacular.

>>30662229
>wall and toxic/curse stall tons of things
Like...?

>trapping foes to prevent double switches
This is extremely niche.

>trapping for confirmed kills
What do you mean? It's not very strong, best it can do is spam Sucker Punch after trapping in hopes of a free kill. Most people will see it coming from a mile a way anyway

>>30662475

Except official materials say that you can import your mons to Sun and Moon from the VC ports.

>>30662229
>78 HP
>75 Def
>100 SpDef
>Wall
In Little Cup maybe

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>>30657960
I literally called this

>>30658194
are you one of those sub 1300 shitters that thinks they know how the meta fucking works?

Or are you just looking for (You)s

>>30660079
>>30660142
barafags need to be banned on sight

>>30665483
Stage 4: back to anger

>>30658147
Does that mean that blaziken and probably greninja if it get banned again are the best starters?

>>30658234
Incineroar isn't.

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>>30657960
Alright I'm fuckin' done because I keep seeing false flagging/desperation/hate threads and I want to put an end to how things are going for all three starters:

Primerina is and has been the most successful for the intended role it was given. High special attack/special defense complete with a great typing give it the edge but it's like using special milotic, it's not great and it's heavily outclassed, once pokebank goes through a solid UU. Empoleon will give it competition however since he's tankier.

Decidueye has been mixed depending on what people use him for. Either support (HIS BEST FUCKING ROLE) or offense (Most of the shitters use but still very much doable up in higher tiers). Spirit shackle is his ONLY crutch and keeps him solid at UU, hidden ability or not. He's only OU due to usage now and once pokebank hits and his primary counters (most if not all of which are OU) will take him back down to UU where he will be effective there. Maybe when the stars align and the meta shifts in his favor he'll be lower OU.

Incineroar has the toughest luck since he's literally better Emboar. Doubles/singles aside, his hidden ability is "okay" but still he's held back by terribad stats and being literally outclassed by arcanine. lower UU at best with his hidden ability, RU more than likely. I haven't seen anyone use him above 1800 and I stopped noticing him all-together at 1500.

I'm fucking done with these people desperate. Owlfag, Sealfag, Catfag, I don't care which one you are fucking stop trying to compete over your starter, they're all mediocre. If you truly see them as your bros, then climb with them, make your team centric with them or find some way to utilize their niche to the best of their ability because none are really "better" when I can think of at least 5 other starters that would do better if not equal to them in OU.

>>30658147
Nice falseflag

>>30665667
Holy shit this. Fuck these starter threads.

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>>30665667
Literally the only person in this thread with a brain

>he thinks nu-male cuck owl will be uu

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>>30665742
>he thinks posting a reddit hot-word makes himself superior.

>>30665784
>he thinks posting a meme from reddit makes him funny and above it all

>>30665797
Thanks for BTFOing yourself out the door

>>30659469
>primarina better in singles

Delusional

>>30665784
>he's an owlfag

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>>30665667
The hero we need

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Finalized tiers will be

OWL- UU
TIGER - RU
SEAL - NU

I just saved you 2 years of bickering

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>>30665897
Owl and Seal are UU now, hidden abilities wont change shit.

Tiger is RU, possibly UU when it gets its hidden ability.

Thats how it will fucking be. Another set of mediocre starters that will work in UU.

>>30665825
>is the only Alola starter that will get a OU analysis

Kek, stay salty, owlcuck.

>>30665667
GODDAMMIT THIS

IM FUCKING SICK OF THESE STARTER THREADS AND NO ONE ACTUALLY CAN BACK UP THEIR SHIT.

>>30665919
I might even see all of them in RU, if only because of how savage OU is right now. I'm sure some of the threats that dropped to UU will rise back up anyways but it's still not going to be pretty.

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>>30666091
Finally someone else with a brain.

I keep mentioning them being UU because Primerina's competition comes from Empoleon, Jellicent, and Milotic (pretty much other bulky waters). How ever water/fairy is a very strong type combo and Primerina will find use there, no question.

Decidueye's niche makes him very much usable in UU, however that also dictates if mega-pidgeot will end up in UU or not. I still doubt he'll be RU solely because his crutch is still very useful in the right hands. Its not even a gimmick as it's a legitimately game-winning tool if used correctly, however to put it in OU outside of popularity is absolutely ridiculous

I literally see emboar 2.0 out of incineroar. I don't particularly care for it but I put UU because I'm tired of the fucking starter wars at this point. If the meta shifts in it's favor? UU. If not? RU.

None of these starters are PU, they simply are just too strong. I need to make that clear to everyone in this fucking thread because I know everyone's scared of their bro being "bad"

TLDR: NONE OF THESE STARTERS ARE BAD.

>>30666204
thanks for this. really, theres so much negativity in this board whenever it comes to the starters.

>>30659637
primarina it's really garbage

>>30666204
Prima's not really the same as most of those water types aside from Empoleon since it's more offensive. Still, I definitely believe the starters don't stray too far in terms of power compared to each other. If one is better than the other, it's not by a big amount.

>>30666204
>worst starters yet both aesthetically and competitively
>'not all bad'

lmao starterfags

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>>30665667
Fucking this
Can this be the new pasta every time one of these threads pop up god damn

Decidueye = OU
Incineroar = NU
Primarina = PU
This is what /vp/ has continuously agreed on, anyone saying otherwise are contrarians and/or trannyfags. Decidueye will secure for himself a strong and powerful niche in OU, while Incineroar and Primarina will be outclassed to hell and back by every pokemon in OU, UU, RU and NU. This is how it's going to be.

>>30665667
Jesus, I swear I remember you from a thread made about Decidueye. You're the only person here who consistently speaks any sense.

>>30667625
A true owl bro won't talk like this

>>30667625
>this is what owlcucks actually believe

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>>30665667
>someone with an actual brain
Have a cute Lele, you deserve it.

>>30665547
I don't like any of the starters.

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>>30657960
As a Karenfag I never really cared about starter viability, but knowing that Decidueye at least has some strength and an actual movepool is nice.

>>30658169
>this delusion

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>>30665897
Owl isn't even getting an OU analysis. That should tell you something.

>>30665919
>He thinks UU is bad/mediocre.

UU will probably end up being better than the shit OU is.

>>30667625
>Listening to /vp/'s nu-male Owlfags instead of doing your research on Smogon and Pokemon Showdown

>>30669769
That doesn't mean much when you take into account that making Prima work on OU requires a huge amount of support. Slapping it on a team just like that will end up with the seal OHKO'd by a random earthquake.

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>>30657960
>People still think these fakemon are real

Holy shit can you all stop the delusion? Sun and Moon were just joke games for the anniversary. The real starter evos are coming with Pokemon Stars.

>>30667625
Delusional

>>30667625
Is this the new generation of denialfags

>>30665667
>>30665720
>>30665739
>>30665849
>>30665972
>>30666667
>>30667692
>>30668045
this is all me btw.

>>30670141
t. baratrannycatsealfaggot false flagging against perfect, immaculate owlgods

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>>30670141
If you wanna do falseflagging, you better do it right.
The last one in there is me, hi bitch

>>30659469
Lol fuck off. Primarina is easily the shitter in singles. It's only fitting since it's being marketed as the "OTHER" starter no one wants to pick.

>>30662229
>. It can wall and toxic/curse stall
It has the defence of a paper bag and is too slow to effectively trap. How is it going to stall anything?

>>30670380
This is me again btw.

>>30670518
You don't know how to play this game, do you ?

>>30670141
Someone's real mad their preferred starter got put in its place with the other two.

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>>30670425
Go ask the UU chat on Showdown who's been doing more in UU tourneys then.

>>30670550
>>30670550
>>30670380
all me again

>>30670570
>Capeshit

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>>30670783
There isn't anything wrong with Hulk.

>>30658435
What do you use it for?

>>30659659
It's definitely the new toy syndrome. I mean even a fucking Alolan Golem and Golisopod made it to OU

>>30671166
>Owlfags will ignore this.

>>30671166
shut up barafag, you're just upset that your nu-male furrybait is shit and garbage while the greatest pokemon ever made (decidueye) gets the honor of being the next greninja

>>30671166
just check out the discussion of decidueye

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/decidueye.3587254/

people did have success with decidueye.

whats with all these hate towards starters u dont like? i personally like all the starters, and its ridiculous that people just like shitting on one another for the sake of it

>>30671815
>Barafag
>No proof

>>30671828
In which format? It's not OU in the Pokebank OU format unsurprisingly and I have asked some UU players what they think of Decidueye in UU tourneys and they said they've hardly seen it.

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>>30658218

To help put things into perspective for everyone.

Remember anon, always think of the Articunos when someone wants to nuke all legendaries period.

>>30671828
Of course. Some people are having success with Kyurem in OU. It doesn't mean it has to be OU itself. Decidueye has a niche but there's no way it will end up in OU. I like this bird but its metagame clueless fan base that just spits random bullshit triggers me. It'll be a solid UU mon, nothing more, nothing less

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>>30658397
At least post the follow up

Everyone who wasn't a shitposter knew Decidueye would be UU.

It's not OU top tier.
It's not PU garbage either.
It's just decent and also the only good looking Alola starter.

>>30672228
I'm not insisting that he is in OU, I do think that he won't be in there eventually, hell even many of the earlier gen OU are out of the tier. The thing is that there are haters who are hating for the sake of hating and not looking at the mon objectively- thinking that it's totally useless and only in the pre bank ou soely because of its popularity. The usage is based on the upper ladder, he does has his niche and uses.

Same goes for the other 2 starters

>>30672368
shoo shoo, nu-male

>>30673620

>Implying a sealfucker or baracunt has any room to trash talk

If you're not a faggot you either go with the owl or just box your starter this gen.

>>30673780
>being this much of an insecure nu-male

Back to r/Pokemon with you

>>30672368
This, nothing wrong with it being UU

All starters will drop to RU.

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>>30673850

But I'm not the one who was bullied so hard he became a tranny.

Whatever works in UU is good for me.

>>30666508
>aesthetically
Gen 5

>competitively
Gem 2 and Gen 5

>>30673583
Well it might not be the result of its popularity, but it has to be result of people testing is out because of huge theorymoning around Spirit Shackle. As I said before it's way too early to judge and assume the tiers since the OU stats we got this month are basically meaningless not only because a lot of people are testing new shit out but also because bank is coming in a month

>>30673993
This.

Since UU is basically diet OU and none of the new starters are fast I feel like they'll all be low UU/High RU

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>>30658147
you know if you were going to false flag you could've at least made it less obvious