What am I missing?

>>30633613
The entire pokedex

a brain

>>30633613
Holy fucking shit I legitimately forgot Mantyke was a Pokemon.

You OP.

>>30633613
wait what was wrong with Tembo

>>30633736
its sales

Why would they regret raichu? Pikachu wasn't supposed to be the fan favorite (the devs really wanted it to be poliwhirl)

>>30633613
I don't get the elephant thing. Is that an IP they made or is it a reference to the Indian Elephant in the pokedex thing?

Bait post but I'll reply anyway

>Raichu
>Gives it an Alolan form and exclusive Z-move

>Gen 5
>Reuses the Gen 5 exp. formula

>Mega Evolution
Don't regret so much it's not the hot new thing anymore

>Blue
Red and Green were the original games in Japan, no shit Green was remade instead of Blue

>>30633790
It's an IP they made and put on every system except for Nintendo's

>>30633790
Is an IP, than, for some reason, isnt a Nintendo game when is Nintendo style
No wonder why nobody care about it

>>30633613
>inb4 someone gets triggered
OP is saying "Stuff that GF seems to ignore"

not "THINGS THAT ARE SHIT"

Giga Wrecker is good, but it's still in early access.

>>30633613
Ice-Typing

>>30633722
I forgot Igglybuff, Chingaling, Wynaut and Mantyke existed. Guess I better leave.

>>30633613
>yellow
>gen 5
Good meme.

>>30633885
Oh so Triple Battles, Elemental pledge moves, Rotation Battles, and (but this last one is imo) Zygarde.

>>30633975
Not Yellow itself per-se but I think they regret putting so much anime in the games. They've been warming back up to it recently but it'll probably end up blowing up in their faces again.

Gen 5 is the worst selling generation

>>30633885
>Game Freak ignores Raichu
Maybe in the past, but definitely not anymore

>>30634023
This. I love Gen V, but GF knows the normies hate it so they just stick to giving them Gen 1 and 3 shit

>>30634023
Okay but you really think gf actually regrets them?

Also hoennbaby, not unovabortion. Started at sapphire.

>>30634006
>triple battles
>rotation battles

They were actually supposed to be in SM. Some anon pointed out that the 3 scientists you battle one after the other in the Aether Labs have pokemon with movesets that go perfect for triple battles. Also the 5 skull grunts you battle one after the other at the aether foundation were probably supposed to be a horde battle.

Triple, rotation, and horde battles were most definitely taken out because of performance issues and will probably return in Stars__________

>>30633843
>It's an IP they made and put on every system except for Nintendo's
>Gamefreak testing the waters in abandoning Nintendo
>Bombs terrifically

Gen 5 was good, fuck you.

>>30633885
"Things that GF seems to ignore"? Where's Leaf though?

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>gen 1 anything
>regret

>Raichu

Not anymore

>>30634176
gen 2 was basically "this is how gen 1 was supposed to be"

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>>30633788
>the devs really wanted it to be poliwhirl

>>30634277
wait, what's wrong with crystal and leaf?

>>30634277
>Drayden
No. Not that one, put him back.

>>30634277
Drayden had a prominent role in 2 Generations episodes, he's definitely not regretted or forgotten

>>30634373
leaf got cucked in Sun and Moon
kris got cucked in HGSS

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>>30634317
Its okay. Yeah it would be cool but having it becthe pokemon shilled everywhere would be annoying. As long it gets the occasional mention and merch its fine.

Been my favorite pokemon ever since gen 1, nothing will ever change that.

>>30634277
Now THAT'S better. Even though Kris was replaced by Lyra instead of being forgotten which was a shitty decision, but whatever, better pic anyways.

>>30633788
Yeah, I always thought the Poliwhirl merch push was really weird, even as a kid

>>30634277
Why and how do they regret Groudon, Drayden? Also, why would Masuda regret himself?

>>30634439
they admitted they made groudon too overpowered

drayden not only got cucked out of being champion but he also got demoted in the gym leader rankings

masuda is a cuck

>>30634482
>masuda is a cuck
Do you know what that word means?

>>30633736
>Put it on every fucking platform but Wii or 3DS, the platforms that it would feel the most at home on
>Get shit sales

What were they thinking? Was it their rebellious teenage phase? Well, they come running back to Nintendo and Pokemon, so nice job there.

>>30634555
masuda let ohmori take control of the series and ohmori saved it from masuda's mistakes

that's similar to watching your wife fuck another man and she enjoys him better than you

>>30634590
>that's similar to watching your wife fuck another man and she enjoys him better than you
There's nothing wrong with this. My wife enjoys a good strong buck and I'm a good husband for letting them breed.

>>30634746
which gen is your favorite?

>>30634767
Gen V.

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>>30634590

>>30634202
except it wasn't and they barely give a fuck about gen 2.

>>30634870
>thinking GF cares more about a gen based on how much they pander to it

You really think GF is a bunch of genwunners? They just know pandering to them makes more money. They're probably a bunch of sinnohfags for all we know.

>>30634277
No jynx?

>>30634277
Where's HarmoKnight?

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>>30634023
>colress and grimsley in sun/moon
>no johto only characters to be seen

really compels my mind to ponder...

>>30634967
Also you forgot Burnet

>>30634023
Why did Game Freak bring back Colress and Grimsley? Why is Stoutland rideable? Why did they add spiritual successors to Join Avenue and PWT? Why is plenty of Gen VII's music (such as Gladion's and the wild Pokemon theme) done in a Gen V style?

Lots of questions for you, anon.

>>30633843
>>30633867
>>30634126
>>30634573
I wish the game didn't bomb so Game Freak can move the fuck on from Nintendo and have another developer work on Pokemon.

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>>30634847
No it's not. It's 3 or 6.

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>>30635154
>worst gen
>not 2

i want johtoddlers to LEAVE

>>30635185
Don't be mad gen 2 is better than 5.

>>30634006
>Elemental pledge moves
And combining moves in general.

>>30634277
>Raichu
Yes in that regular Raichu will be completely overlooked for the rest of time now.

>Mega Evolution
Can't shill Z-bracelets properly if you're trying to sell Mega bracelets right next to them. They'll wind up regretting Z moves way more than Megas.

>Gen V
Is it just me or did it feel like Alola had more Unovamons than Kalos, though?

>Yellow
Red still uses a Pikachu and all of Yellow's gift Pokemon so I doubt that.

>Blue
They probably do regret this if only because it's screws with brand consistency.

>Tembo
Yeah they fucked up big with that one.

>Masuda
This got a laugh out of me.

>Primal Groudon
Do they not regret Primal Kyogre, too?

>Babies
Ehh, I still feel like babies get decent enough screen time, but the whole phenomenon of them being "babies" has definitely been dropped.

>>30635220
>colress and grimsley are the only old characters that appear in the main story at all
>both gen 5
what did you mean by this

>>30633613
>no gen 4

>>30635353
You forgot Burnet since she was introduced in BW2's Dream Radar

>>30635253
>shit level scaling
>gyms
>discount team rocket
>literally cant get all johto mons IN JOHTO
>discount champion
>boring region outside 'muh bell tower'
>barren kanto
>mons in kanto are not fucking scaled up

Sure let's ignore all that, surely muh icecream cone is a far bigger fault huh?

>>30633613
Rougly aa third to a half of the gen one dex

>>30634083
Nah. 5 was certainly their most ambitious project and from the Iwata Asks it seems they look on it pretty fondly.

>>30634277
>>30635325
Forgot the bottom row.

>Leaf
She's no more shafted than any other PC that didn't become an NPC, except for...

>Kris
Still have no idea why we didn't get her in HGSS. She deserved better.

>Drayden
Not sure why he'd be on here.

>Ice
Oh no, they LOVE Ice type, they just don't love making it not shit.

>>30634202
And then it not only showed how incompetent GF are on their own but killed their own fad early

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>>30635387
Yeah, those are all cons.
It still doesn't change the fact that Gen V was terrible (no where near as bad as Gen VI imo tho) and that Game Freak more than likely regrets it.

>>30634590
>and ohmori saved it from masuda's mistakes
But Ohmori made the game worse.

>>30635473
go to bed, masuda

i'm sure you'll stay at GF as a janitor or something

>>30635473
How did he make it worse?

>inb4 muh cutscenese

needs more orre

>>30633613
Forgot to mention Gen 2. SOMEONE POST THAT IMAGE OF ALL THE CHARACTERS FROM GENS 1, 3, 4, 5, AND 6 THAT MADE IT INTO SUN & MOON

>>30635494
Well there's that
>removed PSS
>added trainers that killed the framerate forcing them to remove triples, rotations and hordes
>inferior join avenue clone
>removed super training and amie minigames
>hyper linear region

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>>30634439
>tfw your favorite Pokemon was made into a god

>>30635549
>when Red, Blue, Cynthia, and even fucking Wally get promoted to hell to hype up the games
Dude, they appear like once in a trailer.

>>30635387
You forgot to add the two biggest sins
>"Let's add two whole new pokemon types to the game!"
>"Ok, where should we put them?"
>Well, for the first, we should have half of the ONLY be available outside saffron city.
>"Saffron? I thought this will be a new region?"
>"It will, but saffron will be a postgame, thing, you know, after you beat the league?"
>"Will the level scale?"
"Pfffft... OF course not! It's kanto! But that's not even the best part. Let's make these ONLY at night, since they're dark, ok?"
>And the other half?"
>"Well, one will be evolved from eevee, but only at night, and through an evolution method you have no idea how it works ingame. Oh, and if you do the same thing during the day it evolves into another pokemon entirely"
>"Do you get more than Eevee?"
>"Of course not! But you can breed it with a ditto to get more"
>"Why a ditto?"
>"Well the free Evee is male"
>"And the last dark type?"
>"Oh, that'll be in a cave near the very end of the game. But it's rare and in a part of a cave that's behind an ice sliding puzzle.
>"Ok... and what about steel?"
>"Well, for those, half of them will be trade evolutions of old pokemon, but it needs to be holding a rare item, oh, and the item gets used up too
>"Uhh.... and the other half?
>"Well, this is the best idea. ONE is a super rare pokemon that ONLY appears in one version of the game and is super easy to miss.
>"And the other?"
>"Uhhh... magnamite?"
>"... works for me. Put it in the game"

>>30635574
>removed PSS
I can agee with that
>added trainers that killed the framerate forcing them to remove triples, rotations and hordes
It could be due to the game being huge plus SOS is a fair substitution for hordes
>inferior join avenue clone
Can agree with you there
>removed super training and amie minigames
Poke Pelago is better than Super training since you can train 18 pokemon at once
>hyper linear region
Could apply to Kanto, Unova, and Kalos as well

>>30635549
>Gen 5 is the most hated generation,
And yet it's probably the second most referenced gen in SM with Burnett even becoming a legitimate character.

>>30635447
Gen V was actually pretty good, but it came out in the lowest point in pokemon's history and as a result did NOT sell well.
Not to mention genwunners HAAATE it since there was a glorious total of ZERO gen one pokemon in it till postgame

>>30635591
they haven't played the game lmaO

>>30635447
>It still doesn't change the fact that Gen V was terrible

Genwunner here, Black/White 2 were fantastic and rejuvenated my interest in the franchise.

I always see "gen V was terrible," but I never actually see any substantive criticisms of the games. When people say these games are terrible, what do they actually take fault with?

>>30633613
Masuda was the last thing that I saw, and I didn't even notice until the end.

>>30633613
>babymons
>yellow

do they really?

>>30635622
>It could be due to the game being huge plus SOS is a fair substitution for hordes
SOS is pretty inaccurate compared to hordes and it's a lot slower in practice.

>Poke Pelago is better than Super training since you can train 18 pokemon at once
The pelago doesn't give you the same degree of accuracy that super training did. Now it's a chore to make a set that isn't min maxy as fuck

>Could apply to Kanto, Unova, and Kalos as well
Alola is by far the most railroaded game yet anon. And I don't see how you can put Kanto as linear seeing as it's one of if not the most open game yet.

>>30635709
>Gen 3
>>Gen 4
>>even Gen 6 with Zygarde and Dexio and Sina
Not him but none of these stack up.
Have you actually played the games?

>>30634095
Makes sense, and it would be truly hilarious if the first time we see the formats introduced in Gen 5 not get any story or gameplay significance until 2 whole consoles after they were first debuted.

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>>30634277
Final version

>>30635939
fuck you, drayden

put yourself back in

>>30635939
>still no gen 4

>>30635736
>SOS is pretty inaccurate compared to hordes and it's a lot slower in practice.
I can see that it depends on your playstyle really

>The pelago doesn't give you the same degree of accuracy that super training did. Now it's a chore to make a set that isn't min maxy as fuck

All you need to do is to multiply the amount of play sessions by 2 without berries its not that hard

>Alola is by far the most railroaded game yet anon.

Yet you forgot that Kalos was more railroaded

>>30635962
Why would gamefreak regret the gen that introduced one of their most pandered Pokemon?

>>30633613
Gen 2/Johto

>>30635840
Have you? All of those generations have more references than gen 5, whose only relevancy is two characters that only appear once each in the main game.

>>30635962
gen 4, gen 6, and probably gen 7 are the only generations that sold better than the last

>>30636026
*not regret, but forget/neglect

>>30635997
Did you miss how they went full damage control for the next three gets?
Lucario was the only positive thing to come out of that gen for them, the rest was a nightmare.

>>30636056
>30636056
No. Gen two is the one they regret the most since it had the most fuck ups of any gen, so they actively try to bury it under the guise of forgetting it.

>>30635387
>shit level scaling
just play gen 6 or 7 if you really need your hand held while playing

>>30636093
>Gen three is the one they regret the most since it had the most fuck ups of any gen, so they actively try to bury it under the guise of forgetting it.
fixed

>>30636054
Given the popularity of the DS one could say that gen 4 sold far less than it should have.
After all it had double the install base of the GBA yet sold about a paltry 1-2 mil more.

>>30636093
But it seems like they loved it and made really good remakes of it in HGSS

I literally don't understand, I guess Ohmori and Masuda are Hoennbabies

>>30636116
What is ORAS?

>>30636125
What is HGSS?

ORAS was ten times more phone it in, "let's get this over with" than HGSS was.

>>30633613
Wait a minute.

There was a game, that wasn't Pokemon, looks very much like an indie game, and has a swear word in it?

>>30636142
Which is why HGSS turned out terribly with ton of poorly thought out and forced gimmicks and didn't fix a thing from both the original game and gen it was made in, right?
They even took gen 5 assets and made following pokemon

>>30636090
And Cynthia.

>>30636213
>They even took gen 5 assets and made following pokemon
They rushed the fuck out of it too.
Probably why they slapped the shiny leaf on to it.

>>30635113
That would NEVER happen.

>>30636093
>try to bury it
>give gen 2 the most spectacular remakes Pokémon has ever seen

?????????

In any case, gen 2 is probably the best gen.

>>30636121
They TRIED to make good remakes, but they ended up fixing NONE of the issues. Not to mention that those games had the WORST gimmick in the series.

>>30636339
>give gen 2 the most spectacular remakes Pokémon has ever seen
Did you play them anon?
Not only were they in the worst gen but they added a lot of shitty and tedious mechanics to pad out the game.

It's no wonder GF wants to forget about gen 2.

>>30636339
I started in gen 2. it is most certainly not the best gen. there were so many bad ideas in that game that I think they outnumbered the good ones. And when they remade the game and fixed almost NONE of those issues?

>>30636364
Oh you mean like the post elite 4 level curve? Or re adding Viridan Forrest or Unknown Dungeon or letting you capture the legendary birds or adding even more wild Pokémon like how ORAS did?

>>30636213
>forced gimmicks
?

Might a show well say that about every fucking mainline game since platinum

>>30636369
>Did you play them anon?

Yeah, they were great, just like the original games.

2 regions, 16 gyms, lots of pokermons, quality music and aesthetic, etc.

> And when they remade the game and fixed almost NONE of those issues?

What issues?

>>30636369
You're a faggot.

>>30635618
You forgot forretress and murkrow but other than that I like your meme

>>30636462
Not him, but wild Pokémon selection and level curve pre elite 4

But counter point, ORAS did not fix that either and if you say what about not he nationaldex upgrade, you can't unfairly exclude Sinnoh and Johto sounds

And they buffed gyms, for increased difficulty purposely.

>>30636369
let's name a few
>Friendship evos
This wouldn't be bad, but the ONLY way to tell friendship (Until THIS GEN I think) was ONE npc in ONE town. And in the older ones, you had to remember where that guy was too
>Trade item evos
Again, not bad, BUT the item gets eaten. And there are MULTIPLE trade evos in EVERY gen that use the SAME items, which you get ONE of most of the time
>Baby pokemon
Ugh.... Not even gonna touch this one
>Legendary pokemon that run away from you
It's nice how ORAS kinda abandoned this, even though it was in it originally. Not so much that HGSS didn't
>Headbutting shit
Headbutt trees to get pokemon! No wonder no one had a damn apom or pineco. Remember those? I don't. Good thing this got axed

>>30636503
>wild Pokémon selection and level curve pre elite

These two minor problems are enough to call gen 2 and the gen 2 remakes the worst of the series?

>>30636551
To others yes, not me though

>>30636498
I forgot forretress. But he's no better. since you have to HEADBUTT TREES to get it's pre evolved form, and that thing likes to explode IIRC
Murkrow? He lives with houndour.

>>30636541
>friendship evos
Who gives a shit?
>trade item evos
Who gives a shit?
>baby pokemon
Who gives a shit?
>Legendaries that are actually hard to catch
OK
>heatbutting
Who gives a shit?

Do you have any more nitpicks?

>>30635618
Foretress is steel and pineco wasn't that hard to find.

>>30634431
Not my favorite but definitely a cool mon. I kinda wish I could see how poli would've played out in an alternate universe

>>30636541
Gen 5
>added 150+ pokemon
now I have to spend even MORE time to complete my dex -- so tedious
>hydreigon evolves at 64
this wouldn't be bad, but it takes SO long to level it up
>multiple legendaries with low catch rates
why even make them hard to catch? and why make so many? there should only be one (maybe 2), and it should have a catch rate of at least 50

>>30636618
Never mind. I'm a faggot and didn't read the rest of the thread yet.

>>30636054
That's almost half of them. Don't make it sound rare by saying 'only'

>>30636120
In that case Gen 5 sold even worse.

>>30636665

>Considering they're a huge flaw in the game?

I've never noticed either flaw in any of my playthroughs. Could you be more specific with the level scaling? What's the problem, exactly?

>Not to mention having pokemon appear at different times of the day essentially forcing wait times on the player for no reason

The time mechanics added a sense of immersion and made the game world feel more alive (same with swarms, for another example). Having to plan certain hunts ahead of time was an interesting mechanic.

>>30636804
I was making fun of the other poster's comment. I didn't actually believe anything I wrote.

>>30636967
>Remember it's meant to be a video game first and an experience last.

What the fuck does this mean? Hint: it means nothing

Not all video games are meant to serve as power fantasies, and plenty of games work specifically *because* they remove control from the player in certain key areas. If we look at Majora's Mask, for instance, that you have very little control over the flow of time (i.e. that you're always racing against a timer) is *central* to the tone and themes of the game.

I stand by the time mechanics in gen 2, because they make a game where you travel the world looking for unique monsters feel as though you're traveling the world looking for unique monsters. Certain monsters being nocturnal, certain monsters arriving only in swarms, certain (very powerful) monsters being exceptionally skittish and hard to catch -- all these things add to the feeling of a legitimately living world. To my mind, this sense of verisimilitude is welcome in a game like Pokémon that so often struggles with a static, unchanging world.

>>30637237
>You're literally talking about a form of media where the entertainment is derived from player control and choice.

Evidently (as I've already explained), I took enjoyment from a game world that felt alive in part by restricting player control in a very minor way (and in a predictable way, nonetheless). I never felt as though control of my character was greatly restricted due to these time mechanics.

Player control and choice is always bound by certain mechanics. As far as I'm concerned "X Pokémon appear only after dark and Y Pokémon appear only during the day" are not major restrictions to player control or choice and, again, they add to the feeling of a living world.

To this end, you may as well complain about random encounters, moves that rely on RNG, catch rates, etc. because they "wrestle control away from the player."

>>30637262
>ironically, the second gen game was the least technically advanced after the first gen game

Who'da thunk it?

>Time based events like that did nothing.

Time based events were the one thing that gave the world a sense of verisimilitude -- this was exactly my point.

>>30637528
Saying "X gives Y a sense of verisimilitude" is not the same thing as saying "Y is accurate to life."

>If anything it made the game feel disjointed making it hard for the player to suspend disbelief

Call me crazy, but I don't recall ever having to suspend my disbelief to accept the existence of nocturnal Pokémon.

>>30637528
>If anything it made the game feel disjointed making it hard for the player to suspend disbelief.

Not at all back in 2000, it blew my fucking mind.

>>30637602
>Animals don't just disappear at night you know.
They sure as shit don't just take a nap in the grass where any asshole can walk into them.

>>30637602
>Animals don't just disappear at night you know.

What the fuck are you talking about? Of course animals don't disappear, but certain animals are only awake and active at certain times in the day.

"Gee whiz, an owl at night! How immersion-breaking!"

>Except for the fact that you can control those aspects through the various items, balls and what not.

But again, you're not given total control, which seems to be what you're asking for. As for random encounters, you're given next to no control (ditto battles involving RNG): you can either encounter Pokémon randomly or not encounter them at all, and it's not as though you can affect what you run into -- surely, by your reasoning, having to grind for that 1-5% encounter Pokémon is a form of "wrestling control away from the player," and is thereby a game-breaking flaw.

>>30637602
>It wasn't until SM that you could control the time

"Oh woe is me, my character can't control time."

>>30635618
I would just like to say that I had a female Umbreon that I got from Bill in Gen II so that part about him only handing you male Eevee is wrong.

>>30633613
OP, you forgot to put gen 2, gen 3, gen 4 and gen 6.

>>30634907
>You really think GF is a bunch of genwunners
he doesn't, but i do.

>>30637751
>wrestling control
It is wresting control.

>>30634746
wow your a hardcore beta i bet you do all the cooking & cleaning too eh?

>>30638482
why not put gen 1, 5 and 7 in there too while you're at it senpai

>>30635447
>Posts Gen II flaws
>Your rebuttal is "yeah but Gen V is worse"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>>30633613
>Riolu

Riolu isn't a babymon. Its stats are better and can breed.

>>30634017
>I think they regret putting so much anime in the games

[citation needed]

to this day it's the excuse they use to give Red a Pikachu

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>>30641508
>can breed
You are, of course, wrong.

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That's okay, OP, while everyone was wasting their time and money with Tembo and Giga Wrecker, they put this up on the eShop with little fanfare.

>>30641604
huh, you're right

always thought it wasn't a babymon due to its stats

>>30641637
but PCJ is a great game and it is actually semi old and was ported to mobile in Japan

>>30635699
Gen V's tedious EXP mechanics and polarizing designs are what ruined Gen V for me. I still haven't finished BW1 yet, let alone starting on BW2.

>>30633613
Needs Azure Flute and AZ Floette. They never release them

>>30635387
>shit level scaling
Non-linear region
>gyms
?
>discount team rocket
Do you mean the original villains that only babies hate it because they TR weren't fanboys of some stupid band?
>literally cant get all johto mons IN JOHTO
The new pokemons. What's the problem of putting some of the in kanto?
>discount champion
?
>boring region outside 'muh bell tower'
Boring? No region has this much exploration.
>barren kanto
So you must hate RSE, DPPt, BW....
>mons in kanto are not fucking scaled up
If they were, they would have to evolve at higher as fuck levels, similar to BW mons.
>>30635618
Now this guy is baby complaining about: "Why can't these games the similar to the ones that I grow up?"

>>30633613
zygarde comp they just made it a gimmick to cuck us

>>30634277
>Leaf
DELETE THIS

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>>30633613
Fix it for ya

>>30634126
Game Freak worked with Sega for most of their pre-Pokemon career, it makes sense that they'd try getting a new IP out the door through them rather than Nintendo considering how little fanfare Game Freak's non-Pokemon titles got through Nintendo (Drill Dozer is a cult classic at best, and who even remembers Harmoknight).

>>30633613
HGSS