Hi, we're OU.

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>>30617139
>Greninja
>OU
I fucking wish

>>30617139
>Decidueye
End this now

>>30617139
>only 2 fighting types
>none are the traditional martial arts user archetype
not a good gen for fighting bros

>>30617139
While I like decidueye, it has no place there.

>>30617139
This is PreBank (no Genesect, among other things).

This is also the first month where people are trying to find the best Pokemon and their best sets (you'd be surprised how long it took for Aegislash to start running Shadow Ball), so expect some weird stats.

None of the Alola starters are good, Musdale is terrible, Marowak-Alola is viable but not extreme, etc.

Wait for PokeBank before caring about stats.

>>30617139
*In pre-bank OU which is over next month

Friendly reminder to everyone in this thread, that OP's pic depicts the Pokemon who are OU after the literal first half month of the meta, before all the Pokemon are available.

Meaning you get unfathomably dumb shit like Decidueye and Golem-A.

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>Porygon-Z
>Kommo-o
>Araquanid
Noice. I expect them to fall to UU or lower once the new toy syndrome wears off, though Porygon-Z might finally stick around in OU if it continues being a threat despite more widespread knowledge among players on what it's capable of.

Can we stop this now? The metagame is in a really early beta and we don't even have a bank yet. It always takes about 3 months foe the meta to adjust

>You lived long enough to see Pelipper in OU
It's beautiful.

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>all UBs except poor Guzzlord on the list
Even if it had gotten Buzzwole/Nihilego kind of lopsided stats I would have been happy.

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>>30617156
Maybe not protean Greninja but Ash-greninja will be high OU until move tutors becomes available and it gets gunk shit and low kick like protean Greninja has now.

I doubt Lycanroc is gonna stay OU. The only thing it can do effectively is set up rocks, Stone Edge once or twice and then die.

>pre bank OU
>Lycanroc
>Salazzle
>Decidueye
>Minior

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>>30617139
someone funny do one of these

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>End this now
>it has no place there
>"""none""" of the Alola starters are good
>dumb shit like Decidueye

Two of the Alola starters are so weak couldn't get into OU despite half the dex being missing.
Guess whose name isn't among those two.

>Decidueye
>Lycanroc
>Greninja
>Minior
no

>>30617685
Being OU for the first half of the meta is not an accomplishment, especially when jackasses like you are spamming it in an attempt to make it good

This is a usage-based tier system, and as it turns out, there are a lot of stupid people using it

>>30617139
>Mega Scizor
>Not regular Scizor

What reason is there to use M-Scizor again when C-Band/Life Orb hits harder?

>>30617753
bulk

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>>30617680
>Since when did all these guys drop to NU?
Okay, that one's good.

>>30617753
+40 to Def and +20 to Sp. Def.

>>30617680
It would be outdated by this time next month, why bother?

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>>30617139
Since OP is a delusional starter, Golisopod and Kommo-o defender, I fixed his list for ya.

It'll be interesting to see how Pelliper (and by extension Rain teams) fare in OU in the coming months. My gut reaction is that Rain will continue to be a niche threat in OU, but with things like Tapu Koko, Mega Swampert after PokeBank (benefiting from the new Mega speed change), and others running around, maybe the endless torrential Rains could make a resurgence in OU.

>>30617139
>Decidueye
>Golisopod
>Araquanid

I like them too anon but don't kid yourself

>>30617838
>removes tapu fini but leaves in araquanid, necrozma and mimikyu
lol

>>30617210
We know bitch but this is what is over used right now. Discuss bank when it is available. Fuck

>>30617838
I really don't see why people keep shitting on golisopod. Strongest bug priority move coming from a big attack stat and his ability gives it a free u-turn.
It also shits on many things on that list.

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>>30617239
t. mad as fuck barafaggot that his gay cat starter isn't ou even in the prebank ladder

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>golisopod higher than UU
I wish.

>>30617838
OP was just going off the current Smogon OU usage stats

>>30617838
>>30617875
The tiers are usage-based, so the only reason things like Decidueye and Lycanroc are OU are because shitters keep trying to make them work despite being outclassed. They'll drop to UU once everything settles down.

>>30617906
Bug has a ton of things that resist it, Golisopod can't run Swords Dance sets or Choice Sets with First Impression. Life Orb also isn't great for it since it makes it easier to force out.

>>30617201
It's Decidueyefags desperately trying to make it work so it has a lot of usage

>>30617838
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/official-smogon-university-usage-statistics-discussion-thread-mk-2.3508502/page-10#post-7125494
Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>30617913
>Make a strong, cool as hell Bug-type whose gimmick relies on switching in and out
>Stealth Rock exists
Fuck you, Gamefreak.

One thing to note is that there are based on the pre bank stats. Once the stats for Pokebank OU are released, they'll likely be different.

>>30617156
>>30617391

I thought Greninja was Uber?

Has enough changed that he will be pushed down to OU once things eat establisbed?

>>30617731
Seal and cat are so shit that even stupid retards like you know that its too bad to use

>everyone constantly shitting on Kommo-o

Why? He seems fine. Not fantastic, but a decent mon.

>>30617957
Just run Assault Vest with 3 priority moves and leech life. Use leech life only after it goes below 50% and you're set. It revenge kills so many things its not even funny and can completely stop a mega-gyarados sweep even if it have 6 DDs. Also, almost nothing likes switching in on a first impression. Just run muscle band if you want a bit more damage and don't like assault vest.

>>30617838
Weavile is the THIRD best ice type, and not in OU anymore? What happened?

>>30617991
Greninja with Protean and Greninja with Battle Bond are technically two different pokemon species in the data. Battle Bond Greninja is definitely high OU. Protean Greninja I'm not sure yet. New shit like Phermosa shits on it unless you run water shuriken which you won't do on a protean Greninja.

>>30617991
Greninja was unbanned along with a bunch of other stuff at the start of the gen. So far, not many people have called for a reban, but that may change once Pheromosa gets the inevitable ban hammer.

>>30617731

So what you're saying is that nobody likes Primarina or Incineroar enough to run them despite being shit?

>>30618014
People are mad he isn't broken cancerous shit

>>30617139
>Decidueye
>OU
As what? A defog using spinblocker? Isnt Dhelmise miles better?

>>30618050
Owlfags bumping his usage

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>>30617139
>LMAO WHY DO TOURNAMENT PLAYERS USE GOOD POKEMON???

>>30618014
Decent isn't going to cut it in OU.

>>30617991
Ash Greninja has no move tutors

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>>30617139
Hi, we're RU.

>>30618014
It's too outclassed. You want to Dragon Dance? Zygarde, Dragonite or even Salamence exist. It can get away with a special set right now but has to compete with Hydreigon, Latios and Kyurem once Bank is released.

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>Weighted with a 1695 Baseline

I'm not into competitive, so correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this mean these usage stats reflect what actually wins battles?

As in none of these are mememons or shitmons. They're all genuinely good at what they do, at least in pre-bank.

>>30617139
>Decidueye
Guess who's going to drop to NU in a week?

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>pelipper could very well be OU

i never thought i'd see the fucking day, god damn my nigga made it big time

>>30618130
Yes. People on the low ladder don't count towards the usage data. Don't say that though, or triggered people like >>30618156 will come and get you. It's very funny though.

>>30618179
Fuck you

>>30618179
Will it really be? Cause I taught OP was trolling.

>>30618056
that's actually really good variety for vgc

>>30618222
OP's not trolling, these are based on Smogon's usage data.

>>30618130
Eh, that's not really how the initial phase works.

>>30618240
PELIPPER WAT.

>>30618222
Drizzle + STAB 100% accurate Hurricane = OU level of usage

>>30617139
ribombee

>>30618251
see
>>30618253

>>30618033
Basically. Decidueye's Smogon thread is filled with chucklefucks trying to make him viable.

>>30618179
>Accurate hurrimiss
>scald
Feels fucking Amazing.

>>30618253
Don't forget U-Turn. Being able to pivot and react to anything your opponent brings in if they switch is a tremendous boon for a weather setter.

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>>30617139
>tfw your brow is viable
Feels great

>>30617139
Ok fine, Decidueye for Grass Started rep in OU. Next I hope there will be a Fire Starter to complete the Trio, since we had Greninja as Water Starter rep in OU.

Roughly 25% are legendary(/mythical/UB) pokemon

About 18% are megas (or mega-like transformations a la Ash-Greninja)

2% NFE

9% alolan form

62%, counting Ash-Greninja, are pokemon introduced in gen 7.

14% are water types

9% are poison

Not coutning Megas or Alolan forms only 4% are from gen 1.

No alterior motive here. I just like stats.

>>30617139
I can't believe the day that there will be more addition of small-sized Pokemon in OU aside from the ones we had.

>>30618275
>n-no, this guy doesn't count
These stats are based on a 1695 baseline. Meaning those are actually decent players, not random shitters that play for fun. Just accept that the owl is the best starter competitively and move on.

>>30618329
>Meaning those are actually decent players
So what makes you think that decent players aren't subject to favoritism?

>>30618179
With the little buff it gets too, awesome!

>>30618305
Megazard x is still very ou viable. Ive fucked a lot of people with a DD lead set.

>>30617961
The stats were created using only high ladder statistics, so no Decidueye is actually good.

>>30618305
>Not Charizard.

K.

>>30618014
10 million fairy types running around that are in every team

>>30618354
see >>30618344

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im glad mimikyu isn't a shit mon like FUCKING PIKACHU

>>30617139
>No Marshadow
Oh it's Ubers, is it?

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>>30618329
Why didn't it get an OU analysis then?

>>30618356
>>30618353
Kek. I forgot about him. Guess we're all set. More Starters then, in OU.

>>30617139
>Golisopod
>Araquanid
>Salazzle
>Lycanroc
>Decidueye

lmao no

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>went from "shitty ability fucking NU garbage" to "broken ability fucking OU the mon"

what a time to be alive

>>30618377
Because the Smogon higher ups didn't think it was worthy of one before the usage stats were released. It it stays OU once post bank stats are released too, they he'll get an OU analysis.

>>30618374
Not released

>>30617184
>Pheromosa
>Buzzwole
>Kommo-o
>2

ah yes...the so called "american education system"

Water: 8
Fairy: 7
Bug, Steel, Dark: 6
Flying: 5
Poison, Psychic, Rock, Electric, Dragon, Ghost: 4
Fighting: 3
Fire, Ground, Normal, Grass, Ice: 2

>>30618353
>not using the BB DC set

>>30617139
Smogon's spirit animal

MAN ABDUCTED BY ALIENS
QUICKLY RETURNED

When I was a kid I was good at fights.

rocket waifu 2: electric boogaloo

RIDER KIIIIIIICKU

worst girl

bad papercut

ANCIENT EVIL AWAKES
GOES BACK TO SLEEP

Oh Christmas tree

>would rather be out to pasture


back in my day we didn't have "terrain," "Z moves" or "muscle definition"

ATTACK OF THE 50-FOOT CHAINSAW

JAPAN UNDER SIEGE BY JELLYFISH

>Pikachu in OU

>rocks

I don't remember any of these people

>mirin'

>this isn't even my final forme

literally my mom's pokeball

I moved to this planet to get away from these assholes


>still in OU

Invasive species

>when I get shell smash I'm going to fucking murder all of you

MEET THE FLINTSTONES

literally naruto

>mega evolution is broken guys

no longer literally naruto

registered sex offender

Avast has detected a virus

>priority


Honest question, IS MeGyarados used more than Gyarados? I thought he wasn't.

Fire Escape

>OU

LOCAL ROCK IN GREAT MOOD

takin' out the trash

LOCAL MAN ENJOYS ICE CREAM
AND TEARS OF ENEMIES

literally 'no Knock-Off' the meta

Japanese import service
specializing in winter screen windows

Alola snackbar

BUSINESSES LIQUIDATING ALL ASSETS


>it's time for dragontails motherfucker

local prankster receives capital punishment

absurd neck ornament creates rain

>>30618414
Blast burn and dragon claw?

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>>30618426
Pretty fucking good. Ash-greninja should be "IKUZE" though

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>>30617139
>xurkitree
>mimikyu
>minior
>araquanid
>golisopod
>toxapex
>alolan muk
I might be playing OU again if true. I can finally karenfag in OU for once.

Though in reality I doubt most of these other then xurk will actually be OU or stay. Golisopod especially. I love it but it can be relatively predicable and easy to counter. Mimukyu and minior can be too too but it's a bit harder to counter those.

>>30618482
>Karenfag in OU
This must be a catchphrase. Spread it like wildfire cause it's undoubtedly many people love those Mons.

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I know OP forgot to mention these are Pre-Bank mons, but the lot of you anons need to learn to read threads before jumping the gun

>Minior
>not good
Acrobatics + Shell Smash + White Herb makes him a goddamn comet to deal with, coupled with EQ and Stone Edge if you're feeling risky enough.

>>30618407
>Pheromosa

gonna go straight to uber soon tho

what's better to train evs for Golisopod. HP or Def?

Im going with Assault Vest

>>30617184
>none are the traditional martial arts user archetype
Fighting types are the shit. Why don't you like Buzzwole? I think he looks really cool, and while not being a traditional martial arts user because he's a mosquito man from another dimension, the idea behind him is pretty close to that. He's a huge bruiser basically, doesn't have any tricks, just goes right in there with a straightforward fighting style.

Really thinking about a Fighting monotype team this gen, they're all so fun.

>>30618508
it's a good set, but it's defenses aren't really that high while it's sheilds are up, especially since you'll never spec into the defrenses to boost power. And it has to survive a hit well enough to become it's actual damaging form. Yeah it's pretty good as a set up thanks to being immune to status but it can very easily be played around.

>>30618524
HP attack and then whatever is leftover into special defense

>>30618401
To be fair, whoever wrote Water Bubble's in-game description was a moron who left out probably the single most important effect of the ability.

>>30617139
Once bank comes out half of these things are headed right out the door. Minior, Decidueye, A-Golem, Kommo-o, and Lycanrok just do not hold up in pokebank OU.

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>>30617139
>nu-male owl
None of the starters are OU my dude.

>>30617139
I thought bewear was supposed to be amazing? Is just nobody using it on the smogon ladder or is it not really that good?

>marowak and pelliper in OU
NOW IM STEPPIN INTO THE TWILIGHT ZONE

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>>30618571
I still don't know what the fuck it does, other than it looks like a "huge power ver. water".
Read somewhere else that it receives double STAB?

>>30618588

These are actual OU stats based on the top players.

Kill yourself sealfucker.

>>30617139
>Lycanrock
It'll drop down to NU once bank hits

>Golisopod
>Araquanid
>Minior
>Decidueye
What?
I wish but no

What does Kommo-o have?

>>30618666
DD and passable stab.

>>30617139
You're an idiot. A quarter of them won't even sniff OU.

>>30617139
>Dragonite barely holding on
?

>>30618648
it doubles the power of water moves, and then applies STAB

>>30618662
>he still thinks the best players can't be biased.

>Ash-greninja

That shitmon belongs in PU

>>30618648
Doubles the power of water type moves, in addition to the added fire resistance and burn immunity.

>>30617139
>Decidueye
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>30618594
Bewear is ok, but any special hit just murders it. Most people saying it's good mean it's good for an in-game team.

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What are Quacker-Z's prospects like? Is it a true threat, or will it turn out to be a predictable one-trick pony as the meta develops? It has 2 main sets so it's not completely predictable, and it can always run its old double dance/scarf sets to throw people off if the Z-Conversion sets become a standard.

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>>30618662
>post wrestling gif
>literal fucking heel
>doesn't get called tonyfag
I set it up for you and everything and you still thought I used Specs Seal you fucking faggot.

>>30618648

Doubles the power of all Water attacks WITHOUT taking STAB into account.
Gives it a Fire resistance.
Gives it Burn immunity.

Water Bubble would be outrageously broken on anything but Araquanid, which was probably the point.

>>30617838
How is posting the official list delusional?

>>30618318
I like your like of stats.

>>30618102
It has to compete with Hydreigon right now

>>30618508
The issue with minior is that an electric type just looking it's way faints it. It will probably solid in UU, but it actually lacks bulk with shields up.

>>30618407
>yuropoors are THIS petty

>>30618717
conversion allows it to change into the type of whatever type of move is in it's first slow. So you can use z-conversion with shadow ball and use it to dodge fighting moves, or you can use it to become electric type with thunderbolt to dodge thunder wave and kill everything with that and ice beam. It also gets adaptability so it's actually gonna be pretty versitile.

>>30618351
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>little

So which one of these are going to drop? And to which tiers?

>>30618790
Decidueye will drop to UU or OU due to its stats

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>>30618725
I know GF hasn't removed unmentioned effects thus far (Sheer Force ignoring Life Orb drain, extra boost from -ate abilities) so I hope they don't do anything funny to Water Bubble in future generations since it has 3 effects, 1 of them being completely unmentioned in-game.

>>30618426
pretty good anon

>>30618692
You can't be top ladder with a non-functional team.

>>30617139
>Porygon-Z
>Pelipper
This feels so good

>>30618684
They're already OU.

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>>30618718

You can't fool me with your false flagging, sealfucker.

Incineroar fans are actually bros.

>>30618774
>WAAAH STOP BEING MEAN TO ME
Grow a fucking nut.

>>30618648
It's Super Adaptability + Heatproof + Water Veil.
I find it amusing that GF really made an ability which combines the effects of multiple ones.

>>30618829
>You can't be top ladder with a non-functional team.
Tell that to the ladder.

>>30618255
>le bug of no coverage
Ribombee could have a shot if they gave it more moves outside of bug and fairy. Right now its biggest coverage move is moonblast, followed by energy ball. Pollen puff might have use in doubles, but I kind of doubt it.

>>30618686
No extreme speed

>>30618868
Somebody in the dev team must've been playing Monster Hunter

>>30618881
it's kinda just walled by steel types though, and it would probably be the best quiver passer next to venomoth if they didn't ban passing speed and another stat

>>30618684
>A quarter of them won't even sniff OU, post-bank
FTFY

>>30618790
A-Golem maybe.
Is the best physical Electric type and one of the stronger Electric attackers period, but 4x weakness to earthquake makes me doubt it'll stay OU. Ballons for everyone though.

>>30618857
they're mlp horse fuckers and elitist hipsters who try to make "eevee themed teams"

I know because my coworkers at work who played sun/moon all picked litten, and maybe one of them doesn't fit into what I just said


still lucalitten and hooty are bros. stop being a fag

>>30618850
No they aren't, retard. Tiers aren't being updated until next month.

Is this your first time entering a new generation or something?

>>30617391
how would you even get the move tutors for it if it isnt from gen 6? you think they'll bring tutors back?

>>30618941
>Tiers aren't being updated until next month
It doesn't matter, this is the current state of OU.

>>30618958
In upcoming games like always

>>30618958
they'll either bring them back in the third game or the gen remakes, like they always do

Are Mimikyu and Minior actually good? I didn't expect them to be.

>>30618963
You're dumb. Alright then.

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>>30618056
>That one rebellious bottom team!

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>>30618056
>Braviary

Nice

>>30618594
Bewear is fantastic but the meta is controlled by alolan Marowak right now, which murders it.

>>30618914
>it's kinda just walled by steel types though
It's walled by steel, the most common typing for walls and an ever growing type due to the rise of fairies, and poison the typing of the most common wall in OU.

Not to mention the lack of bulk makes it die to priority easily, and bug typing doesn't exactly help it resist common types.

>>30618981
mimkyu can set up a free swords dance, has a good move pool, and is an extremely safe switch in thanks to it's typing an ability, though it's really weak without set-up, i've seen people use weird defensive sets that work. Minior also can set up well with shell smash and sheilds down giving it immunity to status.

Do Celesteela usually carry Air Slash?

>>30619010
>marowak controls both vgc17 and smogon
Did not expect this

>>30618056
Kill yourself

>>30618981
Neither will be OU.

>>30617139
>Lycanroc but no Talonflame
I thought Sundoggo would only be useful for Talonflame counters. Is it actually useful? (Sneaky pebbles I assume)

>>30618528
I guess I just don't understand the hype for Buzzwole. Or I have enough slow bruiser fighting type favorites for now that I'm leaning more towards Pheromosa for a change of pace. I was just noticing how times have changed on the design philosophy of fighting types.

>>30618407
I didn't see Pheromosa, I thought she was banned immediately. Not an american, btw, so very nice strawman

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>Decidueye is actually good for now

Or

>Its fans forcing it are so strong they can reach top OU with only 5 functional Pokemon

Choose wisely.

>>30619106
>talonflame
>he doesn't know

>>30618253
>Hurricane
>Scald
>U-Turn
>Roost
I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to comp, but this would be a good moveset for Drizzle Pelipper, right? Obviously I'd want a SpA boosting nature and EV spread, but what about item? Damp rock, maybe?

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>>30617139
Gengar didn't deserve the nerf.

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>>30617139
>Salazzle
>OU

How? It has such low defense it can't even live through 1 attack after setting up a toxic on a fucking steel or poison mon, which is the only good thing about it. It has special sweeper stats but it's abilities are all about poisoning.

>>30618014
Should have been the Garchomp of fighting types, wasn't.

>>30619118
Not a huge owlfag, I like all the starters.

But numale owl certainly has plenty of coverage and options that it's not too unbelievable (at least until bank, then it'll probably drop like a stone to UU or less)

>>30619088
>tfw I really don't want some of these mons to remain OU so I can use them in UU

>>30619123
I know what happened to Talonflame but I figured if Talonflame isn't getting used in OU anymore, then neither would priority dog

>>30618995
Don't you mean....Defiant?

>>30619150
He fucking didnt, man.

Switching in on a predicted EQ was his fucking thing.

>>30619151
>trying to use it to tox stall
You're using it wrong then. You tox walls you know you can't kill, and you use it like a special weavile in every other situation.

>>30619118
The latter by the looks of things.
That's why Dhelmise isn't up there despite being essentially a better Deci

>>30619118
While I can't speak for Smogon Singles, I can say that I've been using a Decidueye on my VGC team, and it's doing amazingly. Best damaging Z-Move in the game, great offensive STAB, priority in Sucker Punch, solid bulk, and STAB Leaf Blade gets boosted by Tapu Bulu's Grassy terrain. It's easily the strongest of the starters this gen, if nothing else.

>>30619193
it's gonna drop for sure but right now people use it for a suicide anti-lead. It's also used as the occasional sand sweeper but it needs a swords dance to do real damage and it's movepool currentl sucks

>>30619151
>Unga bunga what's a glass cannon

>>30618056
people aren't making fun of the players, but of GF

>>30617139
Why are Mandibuzz and Mamo back in town?

>>30617139
Keep telling that 2 yourself shitdueye one day you might be an anchor 2

>>30619237
Yeah I would bet that Lycanroc could be a huge threat if it had a decent movepool. But when the Fang moves are your only coverage and you somehow cant learn EQ you're pretty fucked. Hopefully move tutors will be good to it

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>>30619151
>Using Salazzle to Toxic a Steel type
>It has flamethrower

>>30619251
In Prebank many of the pokémon that left Mamo and others behind aren't available.

>>30617901
This just dont matter we know for a fact things like decidueye are not OU material,and soon enough actual players will come in with actual good mons like dhelmise why should we talk about this mess right now than prepare for the future

>>30619296
I mean, it can toxic heatran
What was gamefreak thinking, they should have given salazze merciless and toxapex corrosion

>>30618866
>putting words in someone's mouth to make it seem you "won" the argument

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Fuck yes, I love this guy.

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>>30619267
>anti owlfags are spamming about Dhelmise being better despite OP's image being based on actual usage

Whether or not you like numale owl, it's getting plenty of use

>>30619322
Well it could but its gonna die immediately after.

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>>30618426

Danke

>>30619151
Isn't Salazzle the only pokemon that 4x resists fairy attacks? At least it can switch in on those.

>>30618718
Incineroar wouldn't hurt a kid you fucko

>>30619322
Holy shit that would make so much more sense.

>>30619322
>toxapex corrosion
Yes it wasn't cancer enough already, let it tox stall LITERALLY ANYTHING.

>>30619353
Heatran does too.

>>30619347
>>30618426
D-Does Kommo-o actually get Shell Smash?

Can somebody explain why alolan marowak is good?

>>30619385
it just would have made more sense, they could have done that and made it a little less bulky

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>>30619353

>>30618662
>implying anybody with an inch of respect plays prebank OU
>implying OU analyses aren't basing stuff off of Pokebank because of how obsolete prebank will be in january

>>30619410
I'm not saying it wouldn't have made more sense, I'm saying if it had turned out that way it would have been an issue.

>>30619405
No, but the AI can have it in the Battle Tree.

>>30619412
>>30619353

Heatran and Salazzle picking on fairy types when?

>>30619409
>great attack with thick club
>typing and ability fucks over a ton of relevant threats

Is Porygon-Z better than Eviolite Porygon2?

>>30617139
Donphan was OU in Gen 6 for some time.

Early OU literally does not matter.

>>30619490
>Is this brick better than this knife?

>>30619490
Not really comparable, they have completely different roles.

>>30619490
they're about the same in usefulness, one is a good wall, the other a good choice user. Though z-conversion may change everything

>>30619202
Nice job on confirming for having never used Gengar

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>>30619330
Just trained up one and used it in its first battle online earlier. Saved my ass and swept all 3 opponents in one shot after making a clumsy move that got my lead KO'ed. It's finally the true ace of my team, I kind of wish when I Masuda'ed my Porygon back in XY I had gone with Timid instead of Modest nature.

>Prebank
Meme meta, doesn't count.

>>30619132
damp rock and timid nature to ensure you can u-turn out

>>30619508
A brick is better than a knife though.
Not only can you club someone out cold but you can use it for defence.

>>30617139
>Decidueye
Can anyone explain?

>>30619440
All we need left is Poison/Steel.
Maybe Quicksilver Muk?
Rock/Poison Fossil Sea-Scorpion that evolves into Steel/Poison?

>>30619554
It's viable and people use it

Will probably get fucked over once the bank releases the caged horrors of OU

>>30619554
Forced up.
Nearly every thread is about people trying to make use of it.

>>30617271
What did Porypuff Girls Z get this gen again?

>>30619554
It's a meme Pokémon and there aren't many viable defoggers pre bank. Decidueye does the job decently but faces terrible competition in post bank OU (you know, the one everybody should be playing).

>>30619554
It's this gen's Sylveon. People say it's good because they like it, not because it actually is.

>>30619554
It can cover various niches that aren't filled without the full natdex. Its not very good at any of them though, so I'd expect it to go UU after bank.

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>>30619347

>>30619615
z-conversion, gves it +1 to all stats and then changes it's type to whatever the type of it's first move is.

>>30619643
You mean one niche as a defogger.

>>30617210
>alolan marowak is only viable

Not even close. It's a mainstay. A special defensive variant is a hard counter to so many fearsome Pokemon (Xurkitree, Tapu Koko, Kartana, and Pheremosa).

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>>30617139
>>30617680
tried my best

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>>30618914
>if they didn't ban passing speed and another stat
>giving a shit what Smogon thinks

>>30619732
You know you aren't very funny right?

>>30619734
what? this is a thread about smogon rules. When not going by their rules i use stuff like that, and things like z-purify pyukumuku

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>>30619732
version with gyarados
>>30619754
i am well aware, you can make a better one if you want to

>>30619734
Guessing you don't play singles.

>>30619554
It's Prebank OU. When the real OU will be here, the owl will go back where it belongs

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>>30617139
>pre-Bank OU
Call me when Heatran's back. I thought most players were already on to Pokebank OU? What're the stats like for THAT?
>>30618023
Prebank. No Low Kick tutors. It'll be back in January.
Note that Nigger Kyurem and all of the genies are also absent.

xd

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>>30618857
>implying I would ever actually use TrannySeal

I think the owl is fine, spirit shackle sucker punch is a fun gimmick but he ain't OU

>>30617236
Less than

>>30619850
>image.png

Dude we know it's you

You have the same fucking filename every time you do this

>>30617139
No salamence

>>30618857
this is adorable

>>30619924
mega salamence is ubers, normal is UU

>>30617139
Mega Gyarados is so fucking ugly.

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How does decidueye see more use then dhelmise?

I love both but anchor seems more reliable.

>>30619829
>What're the stats like for THAT?
Imagine gen 6's meta, but no Talonflame, more Tapus, and the occasional UB. Sometimes you see Marowak and Mimikyu even.

>>30620086
Decidueye gets the better Z-move, gets more reliable Grass STAB to combo with Bulu, and can outspeed other slowmons.

>>30620086
Decidueye has a more varied moveset to help it and a good exclusive move. It's not super useful but it gives it an edge

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>>30617139
>mfw
WE DID IT

>>30620185
Do not tell me you are shitting on alolan muk with that image? Alolan muk is better in every way. Design, concept, animation, and gameplay wise.

>>30619829
>I thought most players were already on to Pokebank OU? What're the stats like for THAT?
Genesect's Landorus-I's and Greninja's offense adventures featuring Pheromosa, the Tapus and Alolan Marowak.

>>30620290
>Concept
Yeah.
>Design
No. They could have made it look a lot better.

>>30618329
You do realize people like you are the only reason Decidueye is currently OU right? Smogon doesn't tier pokemon based on how good they actually are, they tier based on use percentage.

If Luvdisc started being used far more often it'd be OU as well because of the sheer amount of people using it, despite the fact that Luvdisc is complete garbage. And Decidueye is no different. The only reason and I do mean only reason that Decidueye is OU right now is because of chucklefucks like you shilling Decidueye so god damn much that you actually take him online and smogon reads those statistics as OU, despite the fact that Decidueye is outclassed by Dhelmise in every way.

Decidueye is only OU right now because of shillers like you. No other reason.

>>30620317
TL;DR
>Electivire

>>30620317
If people started using Luvdisk so much that it became OU, that means Luvdisk was good all along and people found a way to make it work. What an absolutely retarded argument.

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>>30618179
>pelipper is muh bro!

>>30620346
Just like Electivire in Gen 4 right?

>>30618353
>>30618356
Is Charizard not available yet?

>>30620388
Fair point. Still, right now, by Smogon standards, Decideye is used the most, therefore it is the most viable. Of course, that may change in the future.

>>30620316
I suppose the colors could better but the green, yellow, pink, and blue look good. One of the few 3d models were the animation is great. Seeing the colors fall on it is the coolest shit. I get why the shiny is purple but I wish it had other different colors as well.

>Pelipper is OU

wew laddies

>>30618524
>max HP
>max attack
>Adamant
>Assault Vest
Bulk.

>>30620089
>>30620296

In other words, Bank is a mistake?

Just fucking ban anything that looks remotely suspect regardless of how "balanced" it is. A benign tumor is still a fucking tumor.

>>30620346
Yeah, I figured you'd reply with a comment like that, so here's my counter argument:

EVERY pokemon has a niche use in OU but that doesn't mean they are OU. Emboar, /vp/'s collectively most hated starter has a niche use in OU despite being widely considered to be one of the worst starters not just competitively, but in general. You know what tier Emboar is actually in? RU, yet he has a niche use in OU.

The opening statistics don't mean anything. Come January and the release of the Alola starters HAs, Decidueye will drop straight down to UU if its lucky.

>>30618714

>a physical tank can't take on special attackers

Oh noooo what an unexpected tragedy

>>30620500
The problem is that you aren't "removing a benign tumor", but "chainsawing off any limb with any kind of bump". Shit bleeds, yo.

>>30618056
>tumblr
>compressed jpg
kys

>>30617139
Huh. What kind of sets do people run on Alolan Golem anyway? I honestly wasn't expecting him to be viable.

>>30620290
I'm not shitting. I just find that pic funny.

I'm legit surprised Muk made it to OU

>>30620592
STAB Galvanite explosion kills literally anything. I may be wrong but Z explosion also may let it do it twice.

>>30620644
Yes.
It does.

>>30618179
>Liking a flying toilet
No you don't. You just think you do because you can use it now.

>>30617680
>Bisharp
I miss it so much

>>30618025
>battle bond grenigga is high tier OU

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>>30620750
>literally the best late game sweeper in OU
>not high tier OU

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>>30619902
Great! You're supposed to know its me because I'm replying to a post that replied to me! Also the image.jpg/gif/png is derived from the fact that I'm mobile posting. There are many like me but I am the only me there is you fucking idiot

>>30617139
>All these motherfuckers shitting on Golisopod
>He's OU
All of you deserve to eat dick

>>30618179
I don't believe for even a second that pelipper was anyone's "bro" before drizzle

>>30618056
>Krookodile
>Toxashit
Feels great man

>>30617968
Golisopod would be even better with rapid spin.
>Switch in to stealth rocks with Goli on an advantageous matchup for First Impression
>Predicting FI, the opponent switches
>Rapid spin the rocks away on the switch

>>30620891
OU in the play style format that doesn't actually matter

>less than a month until Toxapex meets her new friend Ferrothorn

>>30620804
You're literally the only faggot starting shit starter wars mobile kun

>>30621067
You know you can play Pokebank OU right now, right?

>>30618344
Because they can fucking win, unlike you.

>>30619347
hey, thats pretty good

>>30619347
>Alolan Golem

Didn't expect the rogue giggle.

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>>30619347
>Who the fuck are you all
poor magnezone

>>30619347
>alola snackbar
audible kek

>>30617139
>Alola Marowak completely walls half of this shit
>Not OU
What a stupid list

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>>30621244

>>30621244
Dumb blind faggot.

>>30621244
Disregard this I suck cocks

>>30618693
You mean where Delshit is going to dwell starting from next month?

>>30617139
Since kids don't understand what's going on here, let's lay out some shit most people are missing:

1. This is Prebank OU. Pokebank stats are going up soon, that's where the real money is.

2. Month 1 stats are pretty much new gen mons + some old staples every single gen. Month 1 Gen 6 had shit like Trevenant at the top of OU. New toy syndrome very much influences stats.

3. Because of the first two points, at least half of the Pokemon in this picture will not meet OU usage come January stats (the first stats that will be used for Tiering).

>>30621244
Are you blind?

>>30617957
>makes it easier to force out.
if it goes below 50% by Life Orb damage it wont switch out.

>>30621304
>shit like Trevenant

Hey fuck you anon

>>30619070
are you fucking retarded?

>>30619267
I like both. It sucks to always hate on stuff. Just stick to what you like and unclench your sphincter. I'll try both on the same team for fun. Might throw in Trevenant too.

>>30621333
This is actually a simulator error, Emergency Exit has just been low priority to fix. The only things you can use to drop Golisopod below 50% and stay in are Substitute and weather damage.

>>30617139
>out of all those i only use Muk and Salazzle

>>30621244
>Anon is blind

>>30619296
The point is why the fuck would you pick Salazzle above any other fucking special sweeper when using Toxic is worse than just using flamethrower or whatever with its poop defenses, you fucking idiot.

>>30618179
>my bro

So, what, that makes you one of only 2 people that actually like Pelipper.

If that ugly faggot makes it into OU I can't wait to see all the "he was my bro all along" posts.

>>30619322
>toxapex corrosion

fuck you

>>30620592
Actually, I've been seeing a ton of magnet pull golems. Usually physically based with fire blast. It's nothing fantastic (zone is generally better), but it's new and interesting.

>>30621444
At that point you may as well use gourgeist too.

>>30621497
>Use toxic on Toxapex/Heatran since you can't kill them anyway
>Use as a revenge killer for anything else
I don't understand, you do know how this pokemon works right?

In defense of all the people claiming pelipper as their bro, the flying toilet was a staple on my prehistoric first sapphire run way back when the games came out (I chose treecko, and wingull fit nicely as both a water type and a flying type on my team) and that was probably pretty nice for anyone who didn't pick mudkip. I recognize that it isn't a fantastic design or anything, and it's not really my "bro" per say, but I like it and I'm happy it got buffed so massively. Maybe others just feel more strongly about it. Maybe pelipper genuinely was a few peoples' bro.

>>30622060
NP + HP ground is also kind of cool for screwing with the two pokemon you mentioned + marowak.

>>30619347
>takin' out the trash
At night~

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>>30621088
I find this hard to believe, I'm sure there are other mobilefags that start just as much if not more starter shitflinging than me.

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I, uh, tried.

It's shit I know

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>>30619347
>Absurd neck ornament

>>30619754
>they have to be funny
Kill yourself

>>30623113
Isn't that the point?

>Gengar and Starmie nowhere to be seen

rip