http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread s/official-smogon-univer

>>30616866

Those are prebank OU stats btw so they're mostly irrelevant, these stats will be trashed in January which is when the first OU tier list is released.

>>30616866
doesn't say much. there's a bunch of shitmons that will inevitably drop when people stop experimenting with everything

| 1 | Toxapex
| 2 | Marowak-Alola
| 3 | Tapu Koko
| 4 | Celesteela
| 5 | Pheromosa
| 6 | Aegislash
| 7 | Tapu Lele
| 8 | Kartana
| 9 | Tapu Fini
| 10 | Xurkitree
| 11 | Tapu Bulu
| 12 | Mamoswine
| 13 | Scizor-Mega
| 14 | Nihilego
| 15 | Mimikyu
| 16 | Skarmory
| 17 | Magnezone
| 18 | Buzzwole
| 19 | Zygarde
| 20 | Magearna
| 21 | Necrozma
| 22 | Metagross-Mega
| 23 | Pinsir-Mega
| 24 | Kommo-o
| 25 | Mandibuzz
| 26 | Greninja-Ash
| 27 | Garchomp
| 28 | Greninja
| 29 | Salazzle
| 30 | Porygon-Z
| 31 | Lycanroc
| 32 | Gyarados-Mega
| 33 | Golisopod
| 34 | Decidueye
| 35 | Minior
| 36 | Muk-Alola
| 37 | Alakazam-Mega
| 38 | Chansey
| 39 | Ninetales-Alola
| 40 | Golem-Alola
| 41 | Araquanid
| 42 | Dragonite
| 43 | Sableye-Mega
| 44 | Pelipper

>>30616910
Yeah, right now all of the starters are OU by usage which is mostly due to 14 year olds trying to make their 'bros' work on ladder.

>>30616866
Does Alolan-Marowak outclass my bro Chandelure this much?

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>Hoopa-U
>0.68967%

>>30616926
>Decidueye
inb4 owlfags

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>>30616926
So our boy Dudu did it?

>>30616938
It's prebank OU which means only Alolamons are legal.

>>30616955
No lmao. Usage doesn't mean that much in the first one or two months of play because people are still experimenting. All of the starters have OU level usage right now.

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>Decidueye and Primarina OU
>Incineroar isn't
Good. Barafags are the most annoying. I still remember how they spammed the board about being the fastest and then being BTFO.

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>>30616926
>fini more than bulu
apologize

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>>30616992
Oh, wait, Primarina didn't make it either.
Even better. Brionnefags aren't any better.

>>30616926
Only really surprised about Salazzle and Lycanroc, honestly.
>>30616992
I don't see Primarina on there.

>>30616992
Owl is only the most used starter because of fanboys. It's not actually good though it's probably the best starter in 6v6 OU.

Incineroar is the best starter in Nintendo metas though, which are more matchup based, because he has good matchups against Marowak-A, Celesteela, and pokemon that are banned by Smogon like Aegislash.

>>30617021
Yeah, see >>30617018
I was looking at all usage data, and mistook Pelipper for Primarina, since they're only 1 Pokemon apart from each other.

>>30617051
Hows he not good against Smogonsword? He learns EQ and doesn't fear any of its STABs

>>30617085
>because he has good matchups against Marowak-A, Celesteela, and pokemon that are banned by Smogon like Aegislash.

Anon was saying he is good against Aegis

>>30617085
Nvm I just reread your post. How do I edit my post?

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>>30617104
>How do I edit my post?

>>30616926
>| 24 | Kommo-o
>| 31 | Lycanroc
>| 36 | Muk-Alola
>| 39 | Ninetales-Alola
>| 40 | Golem-Alola

Que?

>>30617085
>EQ
>when both of his STABs are super effective
>Moonsault doesn't even give you the attack drop when you use it into shield then you can KO next turn with Lariat

>>30617146
It's the first stats, it captures people who were testing shitmons in the first weeks of play.

>>30616992
>>30617018
>Charizardfag is also Decidueyefag and underage
Woah, what a suprise

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>>30617104
>How do I edit my post?

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>>30617104
>How do I edit my post?

>>30617051
> which are more matchup based
I guess that's true for 3v3 singles but VGC?
Incineroar is good when he gets his HA because he's a slower, bulkier Arcanine with access to Fake Out and better typing. And Arcanine has always been good.

The four tap us in and five ultra beasts in the top 15. Damn they're good

>>30617146
>Golem-Alola
Alola Akbar, motherfucker.

>>30617230
Even without HA he's pretty good just because he counters Marowak-A and Celesteela and also offers a fake out in a meta starved of good FO users.

Most of the good ones lost really important moves to bank, like Weavile can't even run knock off anymore.

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"I-Its just n-new toy syndrome!!!!"
Reminder that anti-owlfags are probably the same people who are still waiting for Contrary Serperior to drop from OU

>>30617300
Except it literally is. Decidueye is not a good pokemon in any sense of the word, his stat distribution doesn't synergize with his movepool at all.

>>30617300
Yeah because Alola Golem is definitely not a new toy syndrome

>>30617300
Lycanroc is OU right now, and that thing sucks.

>>30617300
And the same ones that said 10 years ago to stop using Electivire

>>30617300
I use Decidueye and he fucking sucks ass.

>>30617360
It sucks because it has shit physical movepool, its speed is decent and its attack is ok.

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>>30617104
>How do I edit my post?

OFFICIAL SILVALLY POWER RANKING
|1|Normal
|2|Ground
|3|Fire
|4|Electric
|5|Flying
|6|Steel
|7|Fairy
|8|Water
|9|Ghost
|10|Dragon
|11|Poison
|12|Dark
|13|Fighting
|14|Grass
|15|Ice
|16|Psychic
|17|Rock
|18|Bug

>>30617382
Well yeah. I'm saying that just because something's OU in the very early stages doesn't mean it's good. I mean Kommo-o is one of the most used dragons right now even though it's worse than all of the ones in current OU.

>>30617443
I really dont give a shit about OU anon, only the underage faggots here do.

>>30617469
Then why are you in the OU usage stats thread?

>>30617509
It sounded interesting even though I dont play OU. I also thought this was a thread about all the usages.

So what's OU the team right now if these stats are useless anyways?

>>30617571
Lele, Koko, Pheromosa, A-Marowak, Celesteela, Toxapex are all common. Mix and match with Gen 6 OU and you've got a team

>>30617631
>A-Marowak

seriously? it's absolutely shit in the actual game

>>30617665
It has the perfect mix of stats, moves, and abilities to fuck up the ultra beasts. Probably will drop once things settle down

>>30617665
It matches up well against the UBs and the Tapus, I think.

>>30617665
It shuts down most UB's and can willowisp or flareblitz or bone them out

Specially defensive sets cover boltbeam and fire while also providing a switchin for espeed and fighting

>>30617104
leave

>>30616866
>Geninja

Wait, maybe I'm missing something, but you technically can't get a Protean Greninja before the bank, right? So Protean Greninja shouldn't be legal. And non-protean greninja doesn't really seems OU material

>>30617785
battle bond meme is 'ok'

>>30617814
Greninja-Ash and Greninja are counted as two different entries. I'm not surprised about Greninja-Ash being there, but I think Protean Greninja shouldn't be allowed in the meta since you can't get it without bank

>>30617146
Ninetails-A has turn 1 Dual Screens and Muk-A is actually pretty good

>>30616866
>Toxapex that high
Le healthy stall meta

>>30616926
Shiny new toy syndrome at its finest.

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yo why isn't this the most exploited thing in the game right now

what's the fucking downside? i want to try building around this in Doubles

>>30616938
They fill different niches.

>>30618162
you can attack it either unless you have thunder. Could be worth it for setting up though.

>>30616926
Daheck? Now you need to be top 44 usage-wise to be OU?

>>30616933
Only 1 Starter is OU right now.

>>30618210

i'm thinking Prankster Whimsicott + Multiscale Dragonite

whimsicott tailwinds, dragonite sky drops a fucker with doubled speed

is there any downside to this move at all? can they attack the turn you use it, but not the next.. or not attack on either turn?

i'm having trouble finding info on this, it seems really fucking broken

>>30618249
The enemy can attack the turn they are released. Turn order goes:

Turn1
Dragonite used Sky Drop, enemy in air

Turn2
Dragonite finished Sky Drop, enemy used attack

>>30618229
It's determined by percentage, not by total numbers.

>prebank
Call me when the stats for actual OU instead of this meme tier occur.

>>30616992
Incineroar needs his HA to be good at all unfortunately, it's probably the main reason why he's not higher. While Decidueye and Primarina don't really need their HA since they don't do too much.

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IT'S NOT FAIR BROS HOW IS THE GAY OWL OU AND NOT MY TIGERBRO!!!!!

GET FUCKED PRIMATARDS

>>30619367
Friendly reminder that Mega Sceptile was OU on release due to popularity.

>>30619367
Just wait for it's HA to released. Decidueye has utility moves and a neat signature whereas Incineroar atm is just a mediocre physical attacker.

>>30619601
Friendly reminder M-Sceptile is one of the best pokemon in UU and completely viable in OU

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>mfw Long Reach actually allows Decidueye to bypass Subs and Mimikyou's disguise

>>30620764
>one of the best pokemon in UU
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

>>30617404
Kek.

>>30620791
please tell me its real anon, dont let me want this and not get it

>>30617018
>>30617021
because that faggot cut the list to get dhelmise and primarina out.
Numbers 45&46.

>>30619367
Because this list is not reliable. It's for the most part a popularity list.

>>30621561
you do understand that the tiers ARE a popularity list? OU means over used, doesnt matter if the pokemon is a niche mon, if a lot of people use it, it WILL be there

>>30621607
Tiers are not solely a popularity list. Popularity alone is not the only factor that makes a Pokemon truly worthy of being OU.

>>30620791
Too bad we won't get Long Reach for awhile yet.

>Pelipper OU

WHAT

>>30616938
Not really, based light fixture is still pretty good. Alolawak hardcounters 3/4 Tapus and has lightningrod, so it's up there due to role compression and dealing with shit defensively until Bank is released.

Chandelure is a nuke. Once the tier settles, it will see more usage.

>>30621756
drizzle, my snizzle

>>30621756
Drizzle, Hurricane with perfect accuracy and rain boosted STAB.

>>30616926
>Pelipper
>OU

I mean, I know it's at the tail end of usage in the first few months where none of it really matters since everyone is still experimenting but it's still so surreal to see.

>>30621756
10sp atk buff
rain
100% hurricane
Rain boosted scalds

>>30621756
It's a meme

>>30621825
And Scald for burns/atk decreases

>>30621814
>>30621825
So... huh.
Pelipper can run Scald + Hurricane + Uturn for a weather setting pivot that also hits like a truck with decent coverage. What's the last move and item? Do you give it Ice Beam so it can contend against most types and just switch it out if they have an electric attack?
Do you go Modest 252SpA and then the rest in bulk?

>>30621865
Modest
Drizzle
Leftovers
252 Spa/252 Sdf/4 Spe

Scald+Hurricane+U Turn+Roost

>>30618131
>moooooooooooooooom! they're trying the new pokemon instead of the ones smogon told them to!
Literally what the fuck is wrong with this.

>>30622328
Because a lot of the new toys obviously aren't OU.

>>30622216
Wouldn't it benefit more from HP EVs than from SpD ones?
252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psychic vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Pelipper: 265-312 (82 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psychic vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Pelipper: 195-230 (74.7 - 88.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

SpD investment does help it tank special attacks a little bit better, but I'd argue that completely ignoring its physical defense isn't really worth the tradeoff.

>>30622328
nothing. all were saying is dont get too excited just yet

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>Golisopod

>>30622466
I'm not a big fan of investing in hp and I think his greatest enemies are special hitters

>>30618131
god fuck off

>>30621714
They are, Pokémon too strong for lower tiers just enter a banlist, sure good Pokémon are used more often because people want to win so most of OU are good however popularity also affects what gets into OU.

>>30621829
Drizzle is a hell of a drug

>golisopod

HAHAHHAHAHAAH /vp/ SAID HE WOULD BE A SHITMON HAHAHAHAHAHAHHa

>>30616866
>Machamp going from UU to NU
I don't feel like a Champ, man.

>>30622498
Wouldn't the biggest threats be Rock-type physical moves, since Peli is dying to any electric attack no matter what?
Surely it'd be better to go for HP or Def?

>Victini
what?

>caring about meta past gen 5
Same story as last gen, all the megas will be banned again because of retards, stall will be king again.

>>30622514
>He doesn't like the truth

>>30622216
>>30622466
>>30622498

Either way, Pelipper shouldn't have EVs in SpA. I think the spread I've seen settled on was 248HP / 200 Def / 56 SpD with Bold nature. I'm too lazy to look up what the EVs are to live, but I know people have run the numbers.

>>30622619
Stall needs to fucking die.

>>30622614
Busts through Celesteela pretty effortlessly and resists both of Lele and Kartana's STABs. That's probably a big part of it.

>>30622619
Don't worry about Smogon having to ban megas, because Gamefreak banned half of them already.

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>>30616926
>so many of my bros are on this
Let's savor the Mons you know will drop come January lads

>>30622622
I think 56 SDef was two live two ice beams from LO waifu bug.

>>30621714
But it literally is
Tiers are solely popularity-based

>>30622672
two things, actually
>why is it even on the list if this is prebank?
>why is it so low? (249)

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>>30617104
Kill yourself

>>30622683
Is it ever going to eat 2 Ice Beams? Ain't nobody gonna stay in against a Pelipper with a waifubug since DUDEHURRICANELMAO

>>30622715
I think the point is to safely switch in on all pheros that don't have something gay like HP Electric

>people saying it's shitters using bros and new toys
>when you need to have 1600s to have it registered

People are winning with these mon's to reach this point, they're meta at the moment.

I'm not going to enjoy it when Pokebank hits I'm really enjoying pre-Pokebank

>>30622752
this. I hope someday everybody will be able to use their pokebros without this smogonshit

>>30622738
Fair enough.

>>30616981
shouldn't mamoswine also be illegal then if chandelure is?

>>30622770
nobody is stopping you from running garbage like corsola in ou

>>30622695
Because Zarels a shit and didn't properly code ladder at first.

You occasionally see shit like Mega Mewtwo usage in lower tiers from bad PS coding, and it shows up in stats.

>>30622805
are you special or something?

>>30622779
You can get Mamoswine through QR scan.

>>30622770
Literally not what I meant at all.
A Pokemon is empirically not a shitmon if it functions in a meta.
I don't give a shit about using your Luvdisc + Rain Dance Lapras core without a big nasty Koko slamming your boipussi

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Gengar had a good run.

>>30622770

Read this faggot >>30622805

Smogon will always be used as long as everyone doesn't like going against Mega Kangaskhan and 5 other legendaries on a team online

>>30622770
Nobody is stopping you from using your pokebros but yourself.

>>30622865
that doesn't make it legal. prebank is only pokemon found in the aloladex.

>>30622903
>>30622905
>nobody is stopping you from using your pokebros but yourself

except maybe my desire to fucking win battles?

>>30622908
No, that's VGC rules. Prebank OU/BSS/BSD allow island scan pokes and grenigger.

>>30622445
>the Tapus and UB's
>not OU
The other mons really are questionable, but if you really think shit like Koko or Bulu will drop, delete your Showdown account.

>>30622929
where did he imply that ubs/tapus wouldn't be ou, he's obviously talking about dogshit like golem-A, decidueye, ect.

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when will all legendaries/ub be banned from any kind of battle? this kind of shit should be for collection only

>>30622908
Prebank is every pokémon that can be used in SM at this point in time. Which includes Mamoswine.
Regular Greninja shouldn't be allowed though.

>>30622974
But that would make things too much fun

>>30622960
A-Golem is bretty good.
Stronger than Zekrom

>>30622923
Then use them in tiers where they're viable, unlike Battle Spot or VGC where if you're using a shitmon, you're just fucked.

>>30617104
this board is /g/ levels of baitable, are you people really that autistic

>>30617113
>>30617202
>>30617222
>>30617404
>>30617760
>>30622699

>>30623062
not >>30622923, but how do you make your opponent obey tiers?

>>30622923
what does this have to do with smogon? the majority of players will still use the best pokemon, it's not their fault your bros have 300 bst.

>>30622923
Then use your pokebros in an appropriate tier?

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>>30623080
>I
>WAS
>JUST
>PRETENDIIIIIIING

>>30622923
Then play averagemons, which is the closest to what you want, but there are still pokémon more usable than others and not to mention it being boring as fuck and I'm not even sure if it is continued.
If you believe there is any chance 800+ unique monsters can all be viable in the same environment then you're out of your fucking mind.

>>30623096
by playing on showdown? make a team of your favorite pu shitmons and queue up in pu, it isn't hard.

>>30623096
By playing the tier on showdown where it's enforced.

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>>30623126
>>30623129
>playing on showdown

>>30622974
Play PU you faggot

>>30617021
Tapu Fini completely outclass Primarina

>>30623080
It's nothing to do with autism and everything to do with expecting others to have very minimal levels of experience with how 4chan works. "Website culture", as faggy as it sounds, absolutely does exist and regulars to whatever site you're posting expect you to not act like an outsider.

>>30623098
Most people who play smogon formats play on showdown, where the program enforces the rules.
If you want to play on cart then you'll either have to participate in a real life event with judges, or just play with people you can trust.
As far from battling other random trainers online on cart with any fan-made rules that's not possible. I don't think you get that level of control over the custom rules you can make in the game.

>>30623080
>>30623196
>>30623120

People just like to shitpost and shitpost in response. It's just boredom.

>>30623154
>play bike simulator/ev grind or just blatantly cheating
>playing against japs using cheese RNG strategies who disconnect who things go remotely south
>two (2) formats available

vs.

>large number of formats and tiers available, including those available on cart
>create a full team of pokemon in seconds
>don't have to watch long-ass animations

If you're not playing cart for Battle Royal you're doing it wrong.

>>30623120
I'm not even him you retard

>>30623183
But Regice and Regigigas are PU.

>>30623190
I can spew bullshit too.

>Dhlemise completely outclasses Decidueye

>>30623228
>pay $100 on a game just so you can play a worse version on your browser

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>>30616866
While everyone is busy yelling about starters, take this freshly squeezed meme

>>30623154
enjoy the shitty battle spot meta then, it's your loss

>>30623318
Terrible

>>30623354
I know.

>>30623318
is that a jojo reference i see?? XDD
Kira is hit by an ambulance and dies

Abbacchio dies
Narancia dies
Polnareff dies and his soul is switched into the turtle's body
Diavolo is hit by Gold Experience Requiem and dies an infinite amount of times

Weather Report dies
Annasui dies
Hermes dies
Jotaro dies
Jolyne dies
Pucci dies before resetting the universe

Mountain Tim dies
Wekapipo dies
Diego dies
Hot Pants dies
Gyro dies
Diego dies again
Funny Valentine dies

Johnny dies
Kira dies
Josefumi dies

>>30623318
this is the best thing I've seen today

>>30623318
Pure shit

>>30623383
>1 JoJo reference
>Spoil a bunch of shit that readers already know

You people are easily triggered

>>30623318
>Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow

Ok that's actually pretty clever among tons of mediocre jokes

>>30623383
wew lad

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>>30623318

>>30621522
>because that faggot cut the list to get dhelmise and primarina out.
Because they're below 3.41, retard

>>30623383
If you're trying to spoil the anime watchers, they only know 3 of those characters.

If you're trying to spoil manga readers, they're probably caught up already

>>30623318
>Yandere for Steel types
>Somehow not extinct yet
>Evil Melted Crayons.
>tfw to intelligent for my own ability
>Knows He'll Be Dropped in January

Kek.

>>30622571
Fissure will save him

>>30622547
You mean smogon

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>>30623427
>>30623427
I didn't know all that. Then again Jojo is a shitty series so I have no intentions of ever jumping back into it.

>>30623631
>I-it's okay I act like a retard because the series is bad!

So without insinuating a starter war. What exactly makes decidueye so good cause I'm not seeing it.

Even without its HA, I figured incineroar would be more "useful" since it basically functions as a conkeldurr that hits like a wet paper bag.

primarina i kind if expected to suck regardless of typing because the best it gets for recovery is aqua ring so its basically a weaker milotic.

>>30623730
it's not good, retard

>>30623817
Then why is it OU?

Inb4 "owlfags are forcing it"

>>30623913
retard

>>30623730
Spirit Shackle
Defogger that's immune to Rapid Spin
Doesn't always die to a wet breeze
Can use Roost while still resisting EQ

Incineroar is really held back by its dark typing that makes it weak to fire and cuts it resistance to fairy, it'll be a lot better once its HA is released.

>>30623913
Why are you even asking if you already know the answer.

>>30623730

>>30623657

And Primarina is more of a Wallbreaker.

>>30623318
Usually these suck, but this one actually got laughs out of me.

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>>30623930

>>30623657

>>30623916
What a compelling argument.

>>30623982
You're probably one of the retards who thought that Contrary Serperior would drop back down to NU

>>30623318
Alakazam's is good. Porygon-Z's should be something like
>20 years to use signature move

why is "everybody" using my good ol' bro Porygon-Z?

>>30623318
>AKA: January is going to hurt
Already saved.

>>30624116
Z-Conversion boosts all stats +1 on top of changing your type.

>>30624061
You're probably one of the retards who didn't read what was inside that link and thinks Decidueye will be OU.

>>30616926
>Golisopod

IT"S YA BOY

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>>30624190

>>30624164
You're probably wondering why nobody in two separate threads responded to your shitty bait

>b-but its just new toy syndrome fuck off owlfags REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Also
>it tanks hits but what else can it do?
>it can't tank hits its too frail!
pick one retard

>>30616926
>sees aegislash at number 6

I though they already banned that after like a week. Why is it still on the list? Is that just pre-ban data, and it still managed to get that fucking high on the list?

>>30624164
But it already is, by definition.

It certainly won't be in January though

>>30623318
Can't wait til my bro lando removes half of zhis shit

>>30619102
Combined usage for OU
+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Percent |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
| 1 | Landorus-Therian | 31.312% |
| 2 | Garchomp | 20.129% |
| 3 | Excadrill | 17.894% |
| 4 | Latios | 17.045% |
| 5 | Keldeo | 16.855% |
| 6 | Heatran | 16.764% |
| 7 | Clefable | 16.073% |
| 8 | Rotom-Wash | 15.420% |
| 9 | Talonflame | 15.052% |
| 10 | Tyranitar | 13.783% |
| 11 | Ferrothorn | 13.322% |
| 12 | Tornadus-Therian | 13.055% |
| 13 | Skarmory | 11.998% |
| 14 | Azumarill | 11.786% |
| 15 | Bisharp | 11.243% |
| 16 | Weavile | 10.501% |
| 17 | Starmie | 10.476% |
| 18 | Volcanion | 10.462% |
| 19 | Jirachi | 10.144% |
| 20 | Latias | 8.875% |
| 21 | Scizor-Mega | 8.700% |
| 22 | Chansey | 7.902% |
| 23 | Manaphy | 7.888% |
| 24 | Thundurus | 7.881% |
| 25 | Sableye-Mega | 7.662% |
| 26 | Breloom | 7.216% |
| 27 | Lopunny-Mega | 7.173% |
| 28 | Kyurem-Black | 6.692% |
| 29 | Gengar | 6.608% |
| 30 | Magnezone | 6.543% |
| 31 | Dragonite | 6.501% |
| 32 | Serperior | 6.421% |
| 33 | Hippowdon | 6.410% |
| 34 | Diancie-Mega | 6.372% |
| 35 | Scizor | 6.069% |
| 36 | Medicham-Mega | 5.921% |
| 37 | Gardevoir-Mega | 5.693% |
| 38 | Metagross-Mega | 5.674% |
| 39 | Charizard-Mega-X | 5.480% |
| 40 | Slowbro | 5.452% |
| 41 | Manectric-Mega | 5.261% |

Switch some out for Tapus of healthy meta and the occasional UB.

What do people run on Ash-Greninja?

>>30624696
burastu ban

>>30624721
oh sorry, I thought you meant "run over"

>>30624721
XD

>>30624696
Since it no longer has auto STAB, I'd say Scald, Water Shuriken, Ice Beam, Dark Pulse with a life orb or even an Icium Z is a pretty good set

>>30619102

Prebank is "actual OU"

Pokebank OU is a fanfic meta until Pokebank is actually released

>>30623318
>I swear if i Survive Turn 1, you're all dead

kek

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>>30623318
>yandere for steel types

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>>30617104

>>30624696
item: Choice Specs
ability: Battle Bond
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
-Water Shuriken
-Dark Pulse
-Hydro Pump
-U-turn

This is the most common set right now.

>>30625042
epic formatting /vp/ro

>>30624679
This is a completely different meta though. Landorus-I, Greninja, Genesect and Hoopa-U are all unbanned and ridiculously strong. Things like Latios and Clefable have significantly lower viability as well.

>>30625042
choice specs + u turn?
also, why not ice beam instead of hydro pump?

>>30625064
Thanks friend

>>30625042
>specs
nah

>>30623228
>don't have to watch long-ass animations
But I like the animations.
Also you can turn them off.

>>30623228
>bike simulator

we don't even have bikes anymore

>>30625089
The answer to both your questions is because this set is bulky water bait. Better to U-turn out of there than lose all momentum.

>>30625125
>literally the set on its analysis
yes

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>| 120 | Talonflame | 0.60458% | 23595 | 1.342% | 17233 | 1.338% |
Can he get an [F]

>>30625211
No but he can hold this [L]

>>30625203
>bulky
>Greninja

>>30617146
Ninetales Alola is actually pretty good tho. Fast ice type with instant dual screens.

>>30625336
>reading
>comprehension

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>>30622571
>>30623623
I knew it was coming somehow, but I couldn't understand why of all the four original trade evos, they left out Machamp in terms of buffs. Not even asking for a mega nor an alolan form. Just some significant boost to let it keep up with the meta game. The official website and the ubiquity of Machamp in the game made me hope a little for such, but no

>>30625067
Anon asked for the Meta once Pokebank is here. I mean sure, some things will change, but Top-Tier choices like Landorus, Scizor, Garchomp, Clefable, Heatran and the like will stay on top. I don't think that's going to change, at least not until they get severly hampered by gameplay stuff.

>>30625402
shut up faggot, you know what I meant.

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>>30625644
>pretending to be me

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>>30623318

>>30622328
It means all the new pokemon are put into OU because people are trying them. It doesn't mean they'll all be good.

>>30616926
My nigga Dragonite made the cut, Fuck yeah. The OG badass

>>30623318
>>30625752
Combine the best from these and it's perfect

>>30616926
Araquanid is definitely gonna drop.

>>30625923
Definitely. People freaked out and spammed it when we learned what it's ability really does. It's already weak to tons of other big OU threats, and once Bank is out it will have no place in OU

>>30622974
You ban all the minor legendaries and the only thing you get from this are the ~10 most powerful non-legendaries used on rotation all the time.

I don't know why you think banning shit like Articuno is a good idea, it only narrows down possible diversity (sicne you're banning 30+ pokémon) and really does nothing for the overcentralization

>>30626093
yeah, but it's worth it. shit like hoopa, landourus and volcanion are killing this game

>>30626146
And by banning them alongwith every other legendary you'll just get regular pokémon becoming as ubiquitous and cancerous, filling the niches things like Landorus left open.

So at the end of the day, the metagame is not any better. Besides. more than half of the legendaries (as in most of the trios) are irrelevant shit anyway

>>30626146
>shit like excadrill, serperior and weavile are killing this game
I can play this game too.

>>30616926
Haven't played Showdown this gen is Toxapex mainly for stall or is it well rounded enough for balanced teams?

Will Mimikyu fall after bank comes around?

Also,
>Kommo-o
>Salazzle
>Lycanroc
>Golisopod
>Decidueye
>A-Ninetales
>A-Golem

How? They seem UU at best maybe it's just because of Pokebank?

>>30626228
New toy syndrome. As per usual, people want to use new things. Half of those will drop in a month, and the rest will drop when the Bank opens

>>30626228
You can include dragonite, necrozma, minor, and araquanid to that list of things that will definitely drop post-bank OU.

mimikyu will probably drop but it'll def remain OU.

toxapex is mostly for balanced teams. I've made a stall team with it just to see how it meant and got my shit pushed in hard, it's actually not that bulky once you realize how much stuff can easily switch in and set up on it

>>30626228
>Haven't played Showdown this gen is Toxapex mainly for stall or is it well rounded enough for balanced teams?
It is. Cockblocks Deoxys-Roach without Dugtrio support and does the standard shit bulky waters do while being near impossible to wear down without supereffective hits. Kinda passive, but Scald burns have been winning games since gen 5 so nothing to complain about.
>Will Mimikyu fall after bank comes around?
Probably, but there's a tiny chance of it landing in BL if a guaranteed turn of setup proves too much for UU to handle.

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>>30616926
>Porygon-Z that high
Fuck yeah.

POKEBANK OU IS UP

1. Aegislash
2. Tapu Koko
3. Pheromosa
4. Lando-T
5. Toxapex
6. Landorus
7. Genesect
8. Tapu Lele
9. Tapu Fini
10. Marowak-A
11. Celesteela
12. Tabu Bulu
13. Zygarde
14. Scizor-M
15. Ferrothorn
16. Heatran
17. Garchomp
18. Dugtrio
19. Latios
20. Buzzwole
21. Hoopa-U
22. Magearna
23. Skarmory
24. Mantine
25. Venusaur-M
26. Greninja
27. Metagross-M
28. Chansey
29. Xurkitree
30. ZardX
31. Excadrill
32. Kartana
33. Rotom-W
34. Clefable
35. Porygon-Z
36. Mimikyu
37. Bisharp
38. Sableye-M
39. Pelipper
40. Manaphy
41. Pinsir-M
42. Gyarados-M
43. Magnezone
44. Alakazam-M
45. Nihilego
46. Zapdos
47. Kingdra
48. Mandibuzz
49. Greninja-Ash
50. Tyranitar
51. Hippowdon

Everything else falls below the cutoff for OU.

>>30625858
Which ones would those be?

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>>30626445

>Decidueye no where on this list

As expected.

>>30626445
>Aegislash #1 despite being quickbanned halfway through
Jesus christ.

>>30626445
>have to make a new shitty OU meme chart already

Fuck.

>>30626571
Fucking 30% usage rate, no less
>people SERIOUSLY argued it shouldn't be banned
>>30626586
I made a typo, he's #12

>>30626445
Where is Zard Y? It needs to be there to btfo people who like Celesteela and Aegislash.

>>30623930
>Defogger that's immune to Rapid Spin
If you're using defog then why the fuck would it matter that you're immune to rapid spin?

>>30626613
#57 at 2.6%, not quite there yet

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>>30626599
You could work on this Memedex here.

>>30626445
71/Decidueye/1.64315%
90/Primarina/1.00832%
149/Incineroar/0.39073%

>>30616866
I assume this means Showdown's November VGC usage stats will be up in the next day or so too?
I've been waititng for them

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>>30626445
>no ribombee
i expected this
i will still use it i made other uu-mons work in ou in the past
plus it's too fucking cute
and it really is good
fucking plebs can't into glass cannons

>>30626671
>no magikarp
m8 what

>>30626753
It needs updates. As I said.

>>30626571
>>30626601
I really hope they won't unban it next time.

>tfw Serp is at 0.6% because it's unuseable due to the fucking u-turn spam

>>30625464
Just wait until RBY bank support brings No Guard Fissure.

>>30623623
>>30626808
>Fissue
>Smogon
Anon, I...

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RIP Gengar.

>>30626916
nerfed old toy syndrome

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>>30626916

>>30623628
Smogon thinks everything will be shit unless its blatantly broken though. For whatever reason they think A-Greninja is going to be shit because protean Greninja exists.

>>30626445
Notable drops from last-gen OU:
Gliscor
Dragonite
Tornadus-Therian
Mamoswine
Mega Charizard-Y
Azumarill
Keldeo
Weavile
Azelf
Latias
Amoongus
Scizor (non-Mega)
Tangrowth
Kyurem-Black
Starmie
Thundurus
Jirachi
Volcanion
Gengar (RIP)
Talonflame (RIP)
Breloom (jesus christ it got fucking wrecked by the Tapus didn't it)

Honorable mention to Tyranitar being .1% above the cutoff mark, because holy fucking shit Tyranitar nearly dropped.

Holy shit that body count.

>>30627685
It's not a real drop though because people are over-valuing Alolamons due to shiny new toy syndrome. The other thing is Genesect and Pheromosa are currently OU and both of them make life hard for Tyranitar.

>>30626989
That's not a Smogon mentality. Smogon creates UU/RU/NU/PU/FU as places where pokemon who just can't compete in OU can be usable.

The issue with Gre-A is the fact that it's torrent Greninja before it gets a KO and people know that. Unlike le meme 'STAB on every type move' frog it actually has to work with its STABs. Also no egg moves.

>>30627685
Gliscor, dragonite, mamo, azumarill, azelf, non mega Scizor, starmie, jirachi, tangrowth, and amoonguss all were on the downtick as terms of popularity and usage goes. Weavile is just outclassed. Kyurem-B, keldeo, and volcanion are having their lacking movepools catch up with them. Latias, thundurus, torn-t, and zardY is surprising, though.

Stall is also really going to bite it hard this gen, too, toxapex is far from being an outright stall mon because lots of things can switch in on it and set up. Mega sable and clef are going to be pressured hard by the tapus and ubs respectively. /vp/ will still complain that 'stall is ruining the metagame and smogon does nothing about it' because they're cucks

>>30626445
>0 fighting types in OU

Rest in fucking peace.

>>30627921
You have a ton of fairies and physically bulky mons this gen.

Also
>what is buzzwole and pheromosa

>>30627987
Somehow forgotten about and soon to be banned.

>>30627919
Thundurus got torn apart in between the nerf to Prankster and Tapu Koko blowing it out of the water as an offensive electric type.

Latias and the other dragons just got forced out by the SIX high quality fairy types added in, on top of the two new good steel types (one of which is of course also a fairy type).

Like people are cutting Dragon STAB from Mega Charizard X right now because the meta is that hostile to the dragon typing.

Anything weak to fairy is going to have an incredibly hard time holding on in this metagame.

>>30628401
>buzzwole will be banned
imagine I posted a smug anime girl with this reply

>>30628636
Is this the new Pokebank OU usage stats?

>>30627852
Protean Greninja is probably going to be sent back to Ubers though because muh unpredictability.

>>30623318
Haha, that Alakazam one was good

>>30628619
He's obviously implying that buzzy is forgotten and pheromosa will be banned.

Buzzwole is kind of meh in 6v6 but I've had great success running with him in battlespot.

>>30628969
he isn't really that meh but Pheromosa is a lot better as a Bug/Fighting attacker even without access to Bulk Up, it gets access to Quiver Dance and has a lot more speed, adding Swole to your team makes it overall less balanced and you need to patch up your weaknesses with obvious counters and checks.

>>30628636
>Ice is the only type to not have a single mon on this list
Damn.

>>30629182
>Greninja used Ice Beam
>Porygon-Z used Z-Conversion

There are your Ice types.

>>30616926
how the fuck primarina isnt?

>>30626752
95 spa isn't a great "cannon" even with quiver dance. Coverage could be better too.

>>30629602
Primarina's Sp Atk is certainly amazing, but its defensive capabilites are too weak and its speed is too low. Also it only legally has Torrent for now, and Liquid Voice isn't very good. If it was better at any one of these it'd probably be OU

Would this be the right type of thread to get feedback/help on my OU team? I'm currently on a bit of a streak but shit is getting difficult now that I'm at 1200 and I need to know of any optimizations possible.

>>30626405
What are people running on him? Complete moveset

>>30623318
>Minior

I chuckled

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>>30630176
Normalium-Z and Conversion, then any 3 moves you want for the rest. Generally Shadow Ball, Tbolt, and Ice Beam, with either SB or Tbolt in the first slot (for Conversion)