>Literally OU WHO'S LAUGHING NOW, TRANNYFUCKERS

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Usage rates in the first couple months of a gen don't usually mean much

When bank mons are released he'll probably drop back down to UU

>>30619421
kys antidecidueyefag

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FUCK OFF BARAFAGS

>>30619421
Rational owl, best owl.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>30619436
>>30619392

go away falseflaggng cat/sealfag

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>>30619436
Decidueye is my favorite starter of all time, I'm just being realistic.

>>30619392
>Owlfags desperately trying to use their shitty Owl raise usage rate
>HAHAHHA OU WOOP
Take Decidueyes Arrow and Commit Count Doku

>>30619392
>using pre-bank stats

Literally nothing.

>>30619516
>being a filthy trannysealfag

Opinion discarded

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>>30619421
Yeah this seems about right
Personally i'd prefer him in UU just because he won't have to deal with bullshit legendaries and he would excel in there
On a related note, i'm also glad the other two aren't in OU either, because that would just be bad for them too, especially primarina since the only items it can even use are those that already buff its strongest stats, which in then case, would just have to hit the other spectrum and it's gg

>>30619392
How many times must the other starters be BTFO until they learn?

>>30619538
I tried him, and he's surprisingly serviceable, but dies to almost any competent physical hit.

If clefable can't make it in this gen I doubt Deci will keep its place after bankmons are released and these usage stats are obsolete.

>>30619541
Hopefully Gamefreak will learn their lesson and never give them new moves or anything like that. We need Decidueye to be shilled at the expense of these two shitters.

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I still feel like Decidueye should've been a lot more stronger. It was clearly meant to be the "cool one" AKA the Greninja of the three.

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In terms of competitiveness
Incineroar>>>>>>>>>Primarina>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Decidueye

>>30619392
So this is what a safe space looks like... interesting...

>>30619392
Friendly reminder that Trevenant was OU for the first months, before dropping to NU and now he's PU.

Not like Decidueye is going to be PU too, I think he's going to be great in RU or even UU. But don't try to fool yourselves thinking he's going to stay in OU

>>30619565
We better get something like Ash-Greninja, but Super Decidueye don't have to KO something to mega mode, it can still carry an item, and it gets a proper ability like Adaptability.

>>30619584
t. trannyfag

I mean they aren't going to do drops untill January so techincally no. The fact that Alolan Golem is also 'OU' should turn some red lights on for you

>>30619603
Baracatfag actually. And even with his HA, I know Incineroar is no going to be more than UU.

I really don't get the anger between starter trainers. Why not just pick one at random and wonder trade it away as soon as you can? That's what I do, helps to make a much more balanced team not having that moral obligation to take it with me weighing the team down.

I picked the owl, pet it, said "aw cute" and he got boxed and traded ASAP

>>30619421
UU utility/support seems pretty accurate

>>30619538
Essentially, Decidueye is a Meganium done right.
Can do everything good enough, even if isn't the best at any particular thing.

>>30619659
Dumping your starter definitely makes team building more interesting. Also I found it difficult to build a team this gen with the starters without doubling up on types.

>>30619659
>I will never be as cool and mature as this anon
feels bad

>>30619659
>Why not just pick one at random and wonder trade it away as soon as you can?

Because I like the starters?

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Owlfags are the new Charizard autists. I remember fanboys trying to force Charizard into OU based on usage alone in gen 4 because they couldn't accept their starter was doomed for a lower tier.

Speaking as someone who loves both of the aforementioned and even Incineroar, it's pretty embarrassing to see people go to these lengths because they can't accept a lower tier.

>>30619659
Owlfriends, having been attacked and bullied ever since the announcement of Sun and Moon, are simply lashing back at aggressive catfags and sealfags. We're victims striking back against the cancer.

>>30619818

And in opposing the cancer, you have become the cancer. Congratulations, you played yourself.

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>>30619818

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>tfw you will never use Owl in a meta it comfortably belongs in
>instead it will be hamfisted into a higher tier that it doesn't actually work in
>literally Electivire 2.0

fuck all of you

>>30619488
except usage stats are determined by 1695 usage, ya dip. You don't get to 1695 by using garbage.

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>>30619818
>owlfags having been attacked since the beginning
>Totally ignoring the 12+ threads a day bashing Popplio at the beginning and the continuing antipopplio threads that border on Goodrafag levels of autism.

>>30619807
Fucking this

I like both Incineroar and Decidueye but trying to force either of them into OU is fucking stupid.

>>30620010
Shh you might hurt the fragile owlbabby

>>30619392
Me in January
All the starters this time around are shit by way.

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>>30619903
Okay here's someone who dinged at 1857.

Decidueye is good but not great.

He offers a fuckton of utility and and tank-worthy typing but usage rates and people using him in curiously "wrong" builds have increased his OU usage. The stigma if it's not OU its bad needs to fucking die because while OU is cool to be in, UU doesn't mean its unviable. Empoleon is one of the top UU picks and fluctuates in use all of the time to where I'm terrified he ends up in the middle, seriously I've used that Penguin for 9 years straight in OU and nobody bats and eye.

Decidueye is going to follow the same path, come into OU during the times when he's needed and then stay in UU when he isn't.

>>30619392
Literally Electivire of gen 7

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>Prebank

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>>30620020
I'd love to see both in OU but neither of them will play comfortably there. I could see them having more of a home in doubles because of things like Intimidate and Spirit Shackle (or maybe TR antics with Incineroar but I question if it can do fine with 60 Spe), but they aren't meant for OU.

I'm all for appreciating favorites, I went with Litten, but I'm also not going to kid myself into thinking it can wound up in a tier it can't comfortably play. I applaud people who manage wins even with disadvantages, however.

>>30619392
Where is your proof? A Pokemon being used in OU does not make it OU.

>>30619903
I've gotten to 1700 using a joke team it isn't hard

>slow grass type with shitty resistances is OU

Nope.

>>30619450
>No proof that this is a cat/sealfag

Do not falsely accuse cat and seals.

>>30620492
This.
If you convinced every smogon OUfag to use Pichu and they all laddered high enough Pichu would be OU

>>30619392
Its not because he's viable, its because people are shilling the fuck out of him.

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>>30619524
>being a filthy featherowlfag

Kysi

He's only OU because people are doing everything they can to make it viable. OU literally means Over Used.

>>30620059
This. LITERALLY this.
UU isnt bad. Well over half of UU is able to fit on an OU team with minor tweaks to a team. In fact, having something you dont see every day can give the opponent a harder time because they don always know what to expect.

>>30619565
Continue deluding yourself. This shit is funny.

>>30619392

My favorite starter in many gens, but he's not gonna be OU for long.

>>30619603
You mean logicalfag.

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>tfw my decidueye has been one shotting everything

She probably won't stand a chance in competitive but I don't care

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>>30619807

>>30619807
>I remember fanboys trying to force Charizard into OU based on usage alone in gen 4 because they couldn't accept their starter was doomed for a lower tier.

Where did this happen/occur exactly?

>>30620722
I'm guessing Pre-Gen 6 since at that po Nynorsk they became justified

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>>30620059
>>30620571
These anons are kinda right. Just because it's not OU doesn't mean it's bad. A team doesn't need to be all OU to be good and it's true that sometimes bringing an unexpected Pokemon can throw off the oponent.

Back in Gen V, I started carrying around Leftovers Toxic Blastoise in my team solely for Rapid Spin. Still do and it usually tanks just fine.

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YOU ARE WORTHLESS AND WEAK

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>>30619392
Going by your logic Primarina and Incineroar are OU too.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/official-smogon-university-usage-statistics-discussion-thread-mk-2.3508502/page-10#post-7125494

http://www.smogon.com/forums/search/29769671/?q=Decidueye&o=date

Shilled.

>>30620997
>| 72 | Landorus-Therian | 1.55485% | 32708 | 1.860% | 27793 | 2.157% |

holy hell

>>30619392
>Numels
opinion discarded

>>30619392
>who's laughing now
Me actually. I'm the guy ruining those sub 1400s trying to make the Owl a thing

>>30619807
>Liking barashit

kys faggot you dont deserve to be a fan of Decidueye

>>30620540
>Tangrowth

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How to trigger /vp/:

>Post Decidueye
>Shit on Catfags/Sealfags

Guaranteed flame war. Works every time without fail.

Will be mid tier UU, so will Incineroar and Primarina will be high tier UU. The prior two are going to be useful in OU in some situations while Primarina will be mostly outclassed by Fini in OU and as such seldom used outside of her tier.

>>30621600
You can do that with literally any starter trio.

>>30620722
Gen 4 introduced SR which made the one gimmick memeset Charizard had in gen 3 completely useless (keeping in mind defog didn't remove hazards then and spinner selection was quite limited, no excadrill, ect) and it got Zardtards furiously butthurt.

>>30621232
uh that shouldn't be there considering these numbers are from the pre bank ladder which only allows aloladex and island scan pokes without HA. There's still some technically illegal stuff you can slip in like unnerve aerodactyl though.

>>30619677
>>30619421
This. And honestly I love UU and even RU. The teams feel more fun to make and more varied.

>>30619392
i don't get why people want their favourite mons in higher usage tiers.
that literally just means that you can use the mon you like in fewer tiers.

>>30619392
>TRANNYFUCKERS
Is it really incomprehensible that someone might like Primarina and not want to have sex with it?

>>30621600
>>30621636
You can do that with literally any fucking topic honestly.

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>>30619421
The point is, Decidueye is in OU and others aren't. Once Bank releases, Decidueye won't be the only one to go down.

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>>30621600

This board is unbelievably susceptible to bait altogether and they fall for it every time.

No wonder this board is going to shit.

Can't we all just fucking hide and report ill-intended/shitposting threads whenever the chance instead of falling into assumptions?

>The number of people who immediately go "o-owlfag" whenever the other starters get shit
>People who fall for the false flagging hate Primarina threads every fucking time
>People who fall for the false flagging "DECIUEYE IS BEST STARTER EVAH!1" threads
>People who fall for the false flagging "Primarina is clearly the best, why go for shitowl or shitten" threads

People literally have nothing to do, some do hate the starters, but not enough to waste their times projecting their hatred into actual threads, which is why I think all the hate threads are simply made by shitposters

>>30621875
But these threads aren't going against /vp/'s rules.

What do people even use on it? I've faced so few I'm not familiar.

Defog
Spirit shackle
Baton Pass
Roost

Just guessing here.

>>30621528
>bulk and regenerator
>comparable to shitowl

k

>>30621957
I've seen setup sets like that with swords dance/baton pass/spirit shackle/roost but yeah just mostly support moves since mixed offenses don't really make it viable for attacking

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>>30621933
So isn't hungermon. Anything can be banned. Even this post of mine.

>>30619624
BaracatFags are the only voices of reason here.

>>30621957
U turn instead of BP, trapping can't be passed and it honestly better to do chip damage and still get the negative switch priority.

>>30622041
So what the fuck is the point of rules?

The fact that this thing gets Swords Dance, Shadow Sneak, and that one shadow arrow trapping move that does decent damage is pretty cool.

This thing would have been OU if it either had more bulk or more speed.

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>>30621453

>>30621873
Primarina is OU too dumbfuck

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>>30622067
To keep things under control?
Anything can be banned =/= Rules don't matter
Rules dictate things that will ALWAYS be banned.

>switch in on rapid spinner
>get free swords dance
>opponent switches in literally anything else
>switch out Decidueye
Wow guys, SOOO OU!

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>>30622137
>He doesn't know Trannyseal barely missed the mark
Anon...

>>30622148
>Opponent switches in Heatran

Although I did read one post saying Decidueye can learn Earthquake apparently.

>>30622178
>Taking these usage statistics seriously

Hehe. Boy do I have news for you.

>>30619392

nice source faggot

>>30622233
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/official-smogon-university-usage-statistics-discussion-thread-mk-2.3508502/page-10#post-7125494
There you go.

You can see that Dhelmise and Primarina are just bellow the requirement, but may fall in anyway thanks to the approximations they may or may not use.

>>30622178
>He doesn't understand that pre-bank usages stats are stupid
Anon, Mamoswine has the 12th highest usage rate

I've said this before, I'll say it again:

Intimidate Tiger > Boomburst Seal > Seal > Tiger > Owl = Owls shitty HA

>b-b-but Primarina won't get Boomburst
It's literally enviable. It's the soundbased Pokemon, and as with most starters, it's in the same egg group as Exploud (Exploud isn't in the game however). Be it in the Switch version, or another version down the line, it's going to get it.

>>30622189
>Decidueye can learn Earthquake apparently.
Wrong.

His best option is Low Sweep.

>>30620059
>MFW Pokken with all new characters for Switch

I think Incineroar will be used more simply because a Bulk Will o wisp set is amazing on him. Decidueye doesn't really provide much besides Spirit Shackle.

>>30619818
Yes, lets just ignore the fact that ever since we saw the starters, almost everybody unanimously loved Rowlet because it was cute and thought it would become something awesome while everybody thought Litten was a desperate attempt at being trying to be edgy and everybody called Popplio the ugly one. All spurred on by Rowletfags no less.

And now that we've seen their final forms and their base stats and it turns out Rowletfags got cucked in the end, they try and play the victim card and attempt damage control.

Truly its the owlfriends who are the victims here.

>>30622189
How exactly cause definitely not by tm.

>>30622420
Yeah the same way the owl is "enviably" getting Thousand Arrows because he's an archer.

>>30622148
>Switch into something you walk
>Set up
>Opponent puts out counter
WOW!
HOW CAN ANYTHING THAT SETS UP BE OU?

consider suicide.

>>30622661

Owlcucks won't listen. They're celebrating an artificial victory they made by spamming the owl trying to make him viable.

It's sad, really. Owlcucks are the very definition of impotent betas.

>>30622838
>legendary signature move being given to a starter
>starters able to have EGG moves with legendaries
>the same as just a strong move sound based pokemon like Exploud and Noivern get
How retarded are you?

>>30622879
Decidueye can't do anything, even after setting up. Almost everything is a Decidueye counter because it sucks. Shitty speed, shitty movepool, shitty typing, shitty abilities.

>>30622888
Trips speak the truth.

>>30622661
>And it turns out Rowletfags got cucked in the end

By getting grass/ghost bro?

Nah, you can stop projecting any time now. I liked him since the beginning. I wanted to not be biased on just the owl though, so I gave Popplio a chance and hated it when people would deliberately hate on it and jumped on the banwagon. Not picking Litten was already a choice driven by will by me because I already had way too many Fire starters and didn't want to fall on that trope again.

As soon as I realized Popplio simply wasn't for me because of its "natural" bizarre elegance theme, I just went back to Rowlet. I honestly never connected to Water types and Popplio's line, as cute as it was, simply wasn't something I'd pick, although I was legitimately hoping this time would be different.

On the bright side, this led me to discover a Water mon I really really liked ever since it was leaked in that one TCG box leak, Mareanie, who's name I wasn't even aware of, but really fell in love with its design.

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>>30619392
>Implying I have a male Primarina
get on my level pleb and learn how to soft reset for a female starter

Mareanie looks like shit.

>>30622661
Don't pretend littenfags and owlfags didn't join forces early on to hate on Popplio. Things changed (for a day) once owl was revealed to be slow as shit and littenfags and sealfags both shat on it, only for owlfags to get the last laugh once it was revealed owl is among the fastest alolamons.

>>30623105
Also, OP, she has Hidden Power [Flying].
To me, grass ain't shit, and neither is owl.

>>30623057

Almost every topic on the owl involves bashing the other two starters well before this artificial OU status though. Owl was the cancer, not baracat or trannyseal fans.

It's always been owlcucks who were the cancer. I have never seen such damage control since the stat leaks and attempts to make him an actually-useful utility mon.

>>30619392
Why do people care about this fan-fiction meta again?
You can't even play it competitively in any official sense.

>>30622976
>Almost everything can counter Decidueye because it sucks

252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Icy Wind vs. 248 HP / 140+ SpD Decidueye: 142-168 (39.5 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 Atk Life Orb Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 248 HP / 120 Def Decidueye: 129-153 (35.9 - 42.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Wave vs. 248 HP / 140+ SpD Decidueye: 140-166 (38.9 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Pheromosa Lunge vs. 248 HP / 120 Def Decidueye: 150-177 (41.7 - 49.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery


4 SpA Pheromosa Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 140+ SpD Decidueye: 136-160 (37.8 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

68 SpA Zapdos Heat Wave vs. 248 HP / 140+ SpD Decidueye: 140-166 (38.9 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery


0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (110 BP) vs. 248 HP / 120 Def Decidueye: 123-145 (34.2 - 40.3%) -- 48.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery


0 Atk Hippowdon Crunch vs. 248 HP / 120 Def Decidueye: 138-164 (38.4 - 45.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery

Stay made jealous trannyfag

Without HAs (singles)
Decidueye > Primarina > Inceneroar

With HAs (singles)
Inceneroar > Decidueye = Primarina

Without HAs (VGC doubles)
Incenroar >>>>> Doesn't Matter

With HAs (VGC doubles)
Inceneroar >>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter

You'll see high laddered people in VGC right now using Incineroar. It'll only get better with intimidate.

Decidueye is my favorite still and will be joining Feraligatr on my UU team as my favorite two starters.

Have starter v starter debates ever been this intense past gen 1?

>>30619538
why the fuck are his pecs made of feathers

>>30623276
Sad part about Decidueye is that every time he invests EVs in one stat he doesn't have enough for another.

>>30623301
I think Incineroar still falls a bit short in singles even with his HA

>>30623162
>Don't pretend littenfags and owlfags didn't join forces early on to hate on Popplio

>Implying I don't remember that
>Implying I don't also remember actual Popplio fans trashing Popplio simply because it was "fun"

Everyone was on the hate bandwagon just because, even Popplio supporters themselves simply because it was amusing. Hating Popplio was practically a meme, of which even I hated even though I didn't even care about the darn thing at first. I hated peoples' forced hate and their deliberate means to play Popplio as a "victim" and some people even making fucking defense squads for it.

don't come fucking near me if you like Primarina, but hate or previously hated Popplio even if only as a joke, that only shows how shallow a person really is. At least I bothered to like Popplio, heck, even Brionne has grown into me, but Primarina smells like the kind of pokemon that some people pick while trashing "ugly" designs while calling Primarina pretty at the same time

>>30619779
I don't think it's immature to use them, I just feel like they really restrict my play style. Like if I wanted to use Tsreena I wouldn't be able to due to such a big weakness link.

Idk I've just never run across a starter that couldn't be replaced with a better wild mon that wasn't mega rooster, and with all these new mons I didn't want something that I already knew about taking up room where a new, never seen/used one could be.

>>30619796
If you dislike them all, I mean. Seems like a lot of you don't like any of them this gen. Sorry for not clarifying. I'm with a guy who only ever uses starters though, so that probably ruins the fun of them for me desu

>>30623301
>>30623573
>>30623418
>>30623465

WTF did this calmness and rational discussion come in? I like it. Keep it up.

>>30623276
Not the same guy, but some of these calcs make no fucking sense.

>lunge phero
>sludge wave calc over knock off lando
>calcing ferrothorn meaning fucking anything
>calcing hippo meaning fucking anything
So it takes hits, and then what? It's going to do comically low damage. You can't even use this as a good pivot, it's too frail.

It's only use is defog, and after coming in on rocks some of those calcs are 2HKOs. There's MUCH better defogers going all the way down to RU with Flygon and Sigi (also a ton of spinners down there).

It'll be an NU staple though, much like Flygon in RU. Prima will be UU through sheer typing and attacking power alone (that or BL2, because it's WAY too good for RU), and when Intimidate comes out for Inceniroar it too will be UU.

Decidueye just doesn't fill a large enough role.

>>30623573
The fuck you talking about now. I was just pointing out your original lies: "hurr it was spurred by rowletfags. hurr le cucked".

Of course Primarina is garbage.

>>30623657
Forgot to add:

I can MAYBE see it being RU if Flygon leaves because of D-Dance. But that's a stretch.

But nobody will acknowledge actual facts like this so, IT'S LE BEST POGEYMAN EVER!!!!!!!!!

>>30619392
Being in OU is not the same as being good.
Electrivire was able to stay in OU for such a long time

>>30623657
This.

>>30623688
>Of course Primarina is garbage.

Ebin.

>>30623688

I wasn't actually the anon you pointed out, but whenever I see something like "Littenfags and Rowletfags were all ganging up against Popplio", I'm just surprised because I legitimately have seen Popplio fans admitting they used to trash it just for fun and I especially have been witness to that, it wasn't only Litten fans and Rowlet fans that specifically did that.

Heck, I still remember the countless "pointing at Popplio and laughing/joking" fan art that spawned from that. If anything, everyone was trashing it just because, some might have not even be intended.

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Who /strongeststarter/ here?

>>30624034
>can't tell if falseflagging

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>>30624034
Me

>>30624214
>Dat pic

Da fuck. kek.

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>>30624034
Kek, someone make a Decidueye version of this

>>30623465
In 6v6 yes but in BSS he's actually going to be amazing. Special/Mixed Aegislash can't do shit to him. And he gets taunt so he doesn't have to fuck with those stupid shield dancing antics. He outspeeds and OHKOs EVERY Aegislash in shield form, even the Ubers defensive set. 0 attack investment sacred sword is barely a 3HKO after intimidate.

With HA in doubles he will be one of the top pokemon out there because he matches up so well against half of GACK. I'm 1730/1750 on BSD/BSS ladders on cart and I'm already seeing some Japanese players pick him up without HA. Aegislash is common around 1500-1600 but the presence of Incineroar is already depressing his usage at higher tier play.

>>30624414
Oh I get it

Hopefully Game Freak delivers on those fucking HAs by Pokebank

>>30624214
Weak to Fire

Kek

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>>30624214
Hello there fuck toy

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>>30624520
>>30624541

More like OR tier. Why the fuck are so many owlfags so obnoxious? Best I can do is draw parallels with Charizard, who is one of my most hated pokemon thanks to the fanbase and the anime pandering to said fanbase by making it out to be the strongest fucking pokemon ever.

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>>30624852
>Draw parallels with Charizard

You what, mate.

I mean, I like Charizard yet have disdain to how forced he is, but how are you making this movie already with the Rowlet line?

Besides, given the Tiger Mask influence and how much Japan likes that, Incineroar's the one who's getting the Charizard treatment 1:1, right down to its behavior. Even the concept art confirms this, I think, although I wouldn't jump to a conclusion that hastily either, it's still too early to call on this shit.

>>30620059
Decidueye is shit heading straight for PU like all shit.

>>30619392
Another reason i never play competitive.
Everyone in the scene is obnoxious

>>30624852
This is why I'm glad Primarina/Popplio isn't that popular. They'd shill the fuck out of it like they do Charizard and Mewtwo.

>>30625262
Only reason I wouldn't agree is Ash getting a Rowlett in the anime. However, the Litten is there hanging out, so it's possible it'll be like Chimchar was.

>This shitty bait thread is still going on

>>30626236
since june 2016.

>>30626236
All you did was bump it you fucking retard.

>>30619421
>He'll probably drop back down to UU
That's even better because UU is where novel tactics and ingenious strategies can be exercised freely, which Decidueye specializes in

>>30619566
lmao

GET FUCKED BARAFAGS

Fucken most annoying cunts on vp

>>30626342
>novel tactics and ingenious strategies
Undoubtedly complementing his wicked sense of nihilism, humor, and intelligence, right?

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>all these owlfags blindly using him in OU
>all these owlfags stopping him from dropping to a tier where he's good
yo what the fuck

>>30627101
>daily primarina thread
>daily/semi-daily Incineroar thread
>CONSTANT OWL ARGUING
why does this mon trigger everyone on vp so much

>>30628809

Team Skull Grunt's posturing looks hilarious on anything

>>30619392
>>30619441
>>30619452
>>30619603
>>30619818
You are why people hate owlfags.

>>30628809
AMBIPOM

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LITERALLY IN THE SAME TIER AS GRENINJA!

Speak for yourselves, PUcineroar and PUmarina!

>>30619392
I'm happy for you guys.
Wish i could bring myself to like this shitty mon