-Force Palm -Shadow Sneak What else?

>>30590880
that's all it needs

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>>30590880
Hokuto Shin Ken

>>30590880
Spectral Thief
CC imo > Force Palm
Shadow Sneak
Coverage Punch/ Stone Edge

ADAPTABILITY
>>30590880
>>30590880
>>30590880
ADAPTABILITY

>>30590880
I hate this little shit, it's the proof about how GF and Nintendo are behind the times like a senile grandpa.
If they really needed to reference a fighting anime they should have referenced Jojo, not some literally who shit nobody even remembers anymore because everyone who watched it died of old age already.

>>30590880
Its Ability ruins it. It could've had Adaptability. Technician is useless.

>>30591061
wow, this really reads like a genuine jojofag shitpost. good job anon.

>>30591061
is this a jojo reference
here's your (You) btw

>>30591110
And Garchomp could have had Huge Power, what the fuck is your point?

>>30591061
I know you're baiting but Marshadow is literally a punch ghost just like a Stand

>>30590929
are you retarded? he has technician.

>>30590880
was thinking rock tomb, for that tech-boosted guaranteed -1 speed.

>>30591110
Every single team will run marshadow if that was the case. Then you'd complain about being the metagame cancer.

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>>30591176

>>30591163
The mega really should have gotten +40 to its speed from the Special Attack boost, Huge Power, and Dragon Dance
I mean it's a badass mega for F*ck's sake... -_-

>>30591189
Why paralyze something when you can kill it instead?

>>30591200
Bulldozer is also good if you're going that way.

>>30591189
Close Combat hits harder regardless. Spectral Thief also seems really fucking broken.
>Ice Punch
>Shadow Sneak
>Spectral Thief
>Close Combat
Slap a Band or a Scarf on him and go to town. Regardless the lack of Swords Dance really stings.

>>30590968
>>30590880
>>30590901
>>30591110
Someone post the screen cap

@30591244
You're not getting this (You).

>>30591247
it doesn't learn bulldoser though

>>30591244
>+40
just to get outsped by like a dozen other megas? what's the point? it should be at least +50

>Shadow Sneak
You don't need anything else. Fighting/Ghost has perfect neutral coverage with just its STABs alone, so you get a free moveslots between Close Combat, Shadow Sneak and Spectral Thief, none of which have a better Technician-boosted replacement. Last slot can be Ice Punch or HP Ice (Technician boosted) to remove genies & co or Bulk Up to boost and sweep.

>>30591244
>>30591289
fixed

>>30591339
HP Ice>Ice Punch on it, murders fuckers like Lando.

>>30591061
Its a half kamen rider reference.

>gets elemental punches
>amazing sig
>cc
>both STABs are fantastic
>technician boosted priority and hidden power
>can hold an item AND use acrobatics to good avail
>has decent enough defenses to use a bulk up (or calm mind if you're crazy) sweeper set AND support will o' wisp
>amazing speed tier
>can be mixed
Marshadow has some ridiculous coverage.

This mon is going to be very very good. I'm thinking it's headed to Ubers.

What would be good teammates for it?

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>>30590880
>>30591284

>>30591557
It's getting quickbanned to Ubers and will be very good there. It's the same deal as Skymin and pre-nerf Darkrai in that the mon is in the same power bracket as major legendaries despite 80 BST less just by the insane combination of typing, ability, movepool and minmaxed stat distribution.

>>30591629
The only reason I say "I think" is because of the meta right now. Scarf Lele and LO Koko beat this 1v1 unless it's running scarf.

Shaymin was busted because of an even more broken sig and a 40% chance of you just losing the game. Darkrai had sleep synergy (bad dreams chip damage mattered) AND Nasty plot.

If Marshadow got SD, I think the answer would have been clear Ubers.

>>30591801
>40%
60%.

>>30591628
perfect

>>30591815
Ah right, it's early forgive me.

Also, add Fini to the list of possible 1v1 counters:

>252 Atk Marshadow Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Tapu Fini: 124-146 (36 - 42.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>0 SpA Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Marshadow: 216-254 (67.2 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

You'd have to run band to 2HKO it, assuming physdef defoger.

Does anyone know how Spectral Thief works? Does it function like a damaging Psych Up?

>>30591943
it STEALS the stat boosts
it doesn't copy them, it steals them
and THEN it attacks.

>>30591628
>there are people unironically complaining about a 90 BP GHOST TYPE priority move coming off a 125 base attack stat

>>30592160
It could've had Adaptability.

>>30592205
And there are motherfuckers like this one.

>>30591260
>125 speed
>scarf

>>30591967
Yeah, but does it retain them? Like Thief keeps the item the entire battle, do you keep the stat boosts until you swap out?

>>30592465
Ye

>>30592396
Believe it or not, there are things with a base speed higher than 125.

>>30592396
Good luck beating scarf lele

>>30592205
It could have had wonder guard too. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>30592205
It also could've had Pure Power, what's the point?

>>30590909
Fuck you made me imagine Marshadow doing the Hokuto Hyakuretsu-ken. Not sure if that would be really cute or terrifying.

>>30592396
It's for beating things that boost their speed if you need to. Or possibly Scarf Latios/Latias.

>>30591628
>inb4 the OP of that old thread says it's edgy 20x again

>>30592205
>It could've had Adaptability.
Adaptability Shadow Sneak = 120 BP
Technician Shadow Sneak = 135 BP

>>30593547
Does Adapability only make it 80bp, because it's the STAB itself that is powered up?

>>30591628
>trying to be clever but ended up being edgy
Everytime

Marshadow is probably the first "chibi" mythical that I've legit wanted to use. All the others like Celeb, Jirachi, etc. are kind of meh to me.

>>30593547
>Technician Shadow Sneak = 135 BP
wat
literally wat
40 * 1.5 (STAB) * 1.5 (Technician) = 90

>>30594619
He just calc'd with a BP of 60 in both cases.

Adaptability Shadow Sneak = 80 BP
Technician Shadow Sneak = 90 BP

>>30591260
>Ice Punch
>not Technician Smack Down/Rock Tomb
>Scarf while running Shadow Sneak
>Band instead of Life Orb on something that has a STAB combo with no resistances

wew

>>30594436
There's the buzzword again

>>30590880
This guy should have had Unaware.

>>30594380
Most the retards on this board fuck up what Adaptability does.

With Adaptability, your STAB bonus is 100% instead of 50% damage boost. With Technician, anything 60 or less gets a 50% boost to its power, if that ability is also a STAB, it gets another 50% boost.

A: 60 > 120
T: 60 > 90 > 135

A: 40 > 80
T: 40 > 60 > 90

It's multiplicative boosting for STABs.

>>30594950
Adaptability: 1.33% boost
Technician: limited 1.5% boost

>>30594996
Nigger, what are you talking about? Adaptability boosts STAB damage from a 50% boost to a 100% boost.

Technician boosts the power of the move by 50%, which can then also be boosted by if it's a STAB move by another 50%, with multiplicative stacking.

A: 2x STAB damage
T: 2.25x STAB damage

>>30591628
That's my thread.

I stand by it, this thing has a near useless ability. Can't wait for smogon to prove me right.

>Technician solely for Shadow Sneak isn't disappointing as all fuck

You fucking retards.

>>30595185
1.5 * 1.3333 = 2
back to math class for you

>>30595300
It could've had Adaptability.

>>30595185
It's quite a feat to spew all that bullshit while still not getting anything.

>>30591061
Fist of the North Star is badass, easier to follow and still has consistently had better handled licensed games than JoJo.

Suck a dick, Dioshits

>>30595353
No, it comes out to 1.999 whatever shit.

The point is that Adaptability does NOT boost final STAB damage by another 33% to get to something that closely equals a 2x damage boost. It just turns the bonus into a 2x bonus instead of a 1.5x bonus.

You're adding in irrelevant shit and crunching numbers where they don't need to be crunched for no other reason than to blow smoke up your own ass.

>>30594825
>It has technician so every move it has needs to have a low bp even if it's really shitty
You're probably the type of guy that uses Spike Cannon Cloyster

>>30595474
You stupid fuck.

There's no reason to run Ice Punch when both Smack Down and Rock Tomb cover Flying types, and have better secondary effects; Rock Tomb in particular is fucking great. You also get Bug coverage out of it instead of Grass/Ground, which is more useful for a fighting type.

How you figured that I was advocating that it should have 4 moves all being affected by Technician is beyond me; I'm pretty sure you're just a haughty retard.

>>30595551
You've clearly never gone past 1200 elo, if you ever played a single competitive game in your life that is. Either way shut up so we never have to hear your bullshit.

>>30595618
>Ice is better for taking out Flying types than Technician Smack Down/Rock Tomb
>everything needs to have a move for Garchomp

Blow it out your ass.

I know everyone uses le hax but do we have any idea when I'm gonna be able to pet my shota ghost?

>>30595771
If you're not a nip in nipland, then never.

Just use the hax.

>>30595551
Yeah, I'm glad you'll be able to use rock tomb on Salamence and Landorus instead of Ice Punch. You also get that sweet super effective coverage on the actually usable bugs like Scizor, Genesect, and Heracross.

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>>30595300
And I'm the first post.
Sorry your thread turned into an All-Out Pummeling
You should have really looked at this situation with a Calm Mind and accepted the Smack Down
...But you're still stuck in your ways of being a turbo-autist, so again, I'm going to recommend a way out of your Never-Ending Nightmare
Hold this Escape Rope.

>>30595849
It's wan't funny then, it's just cringy now. It's become textbook tryhard, but feel free to samefag with ebin reaction images like the last thread. Maybe you'll get another screencap out if it.

>>30595909
t. OP of >>30591628

>>30595457
That's because it's an approximation, the actual number is 4/3. Before you ask, that comes from the proportion 2 : x = 1.5 : 1.

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>>30595849
Calm down Kukui!

>>30595300
We're seeing levels of idiocy that shouldn't even be possible.

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>>30591628

>>30595300
Regardless of you being a salty fag, Technician is a great ability on it. Adaptibility is just like Huge Power in terms of idiots like you who just want to slap it onto any mon

>>30596238
Not our faults GF gave Adaptability to a mon with a 120 BP STABbed move with next to no drawbacks, while also backing it up with retarded offensive stats.

>>30595618
this is my favorite non-argument on /vp/

>>30590880

I swear I've seen something just like this guy in in an MMO

maybe ragnarok online

>>30596398
Nostale?

>>30590880
Force Palm
Shadow Sneak
Technician Hidden Power
Rock Tomb

That's all it needs ;)

>>30596238
I've never said that it should have Adaptability. I would have taken Levitate.

>>30596093
>>30596071
>>30595989
The samefagging begins. Put me in the screencap.

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>>30596398

Ragnarok had a ton of not pokemon. Mix most of them in with actual ones and your average normie wouldn't know the difference.

>>30595551
Woah, that's a lot of big words for such a small cutie

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>>30596472
>Levitate over technician

fucking excuse me?

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>>30596472
>Levitate

>>30596768
>>30596623
You've clearly never gone past 1200 elo, if you ever played a single competitive game in your life that is. Either way shut up so we never have to hear your bullshit.

>>30595436
I like both jojo and hnk but like kinnukuman better

>>30596772
butthurt

>>30596772
I assume this is a copypasta.

But incase it isn't: why the fuck would levitate help something like Marshadow at all?

>>30596809
kinnukuman is fucking good though because it's just one piece set in a wrestling arena

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>>30595849
Another great rost.

>>30596871
>3 immunities on a sweeper is bad

Shitters, the lot of you. Keep jerking off over technician Shadow Sneak STAB.

>>30597580
Anon, you got anally raped enough.

>>30597652
>a sweeper with stealth rock resistance, spike immunity, and 3 typing immunities is worse than technician priority move

Shitters.

>>30597580
It's not like ground is a huge enough threat to it to need to worry anyway though you strange faggot

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>>30592205
>It could've had a V8, what's your point?

>>30597580
I was looking for salt to put on my popcorn & it didn't took me long enough to find it. Keep'em coming.

>>30594436
t. op of the last thread

>>30592396
>Ash-greninja used hydro pump
>Top kek used brave bird

>>30596472
>>30596772
>>30597580
why don't you just Levitate above a stepstool

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>>30597704
Oh yeah because a sweeper with at least 1 immunity, a resistance to stealth rock, and technician priority would just be soooo bad

Oh wait, pic related

>>30594825
>>30595551
>>30595721
Garchomp
Salamence
Lando
Dragonite
Gliscor
Hipowdon

That's not counting the host of other things Ice Punch covers against grass, ground, etc.

If you think Ice Punch is worse than fucking Smack Down you obviously has never played a competitive game in your life.

>All this debating and arguing over a pokemon that won't be released until Gen 9.

The hell is wrong with (You) all?

>>30591061
Though it referenced the predecessor of the first parts of jojo.

>>30598027
Scizor does not have a resistance to stealth rocks. It's neutral BUG/steel

>>30600171
Fuck I was only thinking of the steel because that's basically the only STAB it uses. But still it just proves Marshadow is even better than Scizor

>>30595849
kukui has no chill

>>30595849
(You) deserve it, edgy cunt.

>>30600293
>edgy

>>30600293
Hi OP of that thread, still anally devastated ?

>>30600321
>tell someone to kill themselves
>not edgy

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>>30600361
>anything that references death or violence is edgy

Is technicianfag the new "proud of its power" fag?

>>30600361
first day?

>>30600422
Yeah.

>>30598027
Scizor doesn't resist SR.

>>30591110
Scizor says hi

Technician isn't that bad although I agree it should have had something better.

>It could have had Adaptability
think of the mons that get adaptability
>eevee, Mega lucario
Because game freak loves them
>mega beedrill, gumshoos
they need all the power they can get without gf just going "hey let's slap huge power on it"
>porygon z
It can change its type, but fittingly it's better at doing so than its prevos, and as such has more power with whatever type it becomes
>feebas, basculin, crawdaunt, dragalge
fuck if I know, but they're all water types (well dragalge isn't, but skrelp is) so it might have something to do with that I guess
game freak aren't going to give something adaptability just because "It could have had adaptability"
Not only does it have zero justification for having adaptability, it doesn't NEED adaptability, it's still perfectly fine without it
>great offensive stab coverage
>great stats
>decent defensive typing too
>great movepool
>technician-boosted stab priority
Giving it Adaptability is just begging for it to be Ubers, without it there's at least a chance it'll stay OU

>>30595436
I've heard mixed things about the old fist of the north star RPGs.

>>30600459
I realize that now, but it's only neutral at least

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>>30595849
BTFO
T
F
O

Everyone here needs to look into the back of a Shedinja.

(if you look into the back of a Shedinja, you die.)

Eh, I tried. They can't all be winners -_-

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>>30596988
I agree, most characters have ridiculous powers that the authors use in interesting ways.

>>30593281
I'm pretty sure that's what it's Z-move is referencing

>>30601515
Still I'm trying to decide if it's cute or terrifying imagining Marshadow doing that.

>>30593331
>>30594436
Pottery

>>30591110
Daily reminder that Life Orb HP Ice has a 75% chance of OHKOing physically defensive Landorus-T with zero investment.

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>>30601741
stop cherrypicking

>>30602561
>ability completely invalidates one of its main checks
>cherrypicking

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>>30591217
/thread

Look at how people bitch about Landorus, Thundurus, and Tornadus.

>>30591246
Makes it easier for slower Pokemon on your team to come in and outspeed it if need be. There's also the chance of the opponent having very bad luck allowing you to setup easier for a sweep.

>>30590880
Spectral thief and sash for sweepers is nice

>>30595849
oh lord its happening again

>>30595849
jesus

>>30595849
Ow the edge