Improve the ice type in just 4 words.

>>30547360
combine with fairy type

Make it not shit.

Erase it from existence

More good ice pokemon

>>30547360
ban sneaky pebbles reeee

>>30547360
Electric, Grass, Water resistances.

>>30547360
Immune to all types

Not every type needs to be good. Ice is supposed to be a frail weak type because ice is weak. It's a huge drawback because ice moves happen to be incredibly good.

>>30547360
resistance to every type

>>30547360

Double all their stats.

Me ga mamo swine

>>30547360
Sp. Def boost in hail

RESIST WATER MAYBE, FUCK

>>30547437
That's not 4 words.

>>30547360
Ice resists all types

>>30547360
ice retconned to water

Immune to water type.

>>30547446
Def boost would be better imo.

Resists Water and Flying

>>30547449

Type bad, move good

immune to water type

alternatively

remove ice beam coverage

>>30547360

Supereffecive / resists water-type.

make available before postgame

Ice Beam Ice Exclusive

Resist Water and Electric

boost defense in hail

more defensive ice types?

>>30547360
Super-effective against Water

seriously, why does water RESIST ice?

Less defensive, more offensive

>>30547437
>>30547469
not point of thread

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>>30547360
Buff up both defenses

fast rather than bulky

>>30547360
Immune to fairy moves

DEFENSIVE ICE DOESN'T WORK

>>30547360

Make More Offensive Ice's

>>30547437
>It's a huge drawback because ice moves happen to be incredibly good.
The only good thing about Ice moves is the 10% chance to essentially OHKO a pokemon since FRZ is a completely overpowered status.

I kind of wish it was nerfed just so the status could actually be balanced enough for a move to apply it reliably, like every other status.

>>30547459
This. This. This. Also make them resist poison and flying.

>>30547360
remove fire type pokemon

Resist Ground, Water, Flying

>>30547360
SE protection in hail

>>30547360
Not fucking possible senpai

>>30547511

are you retarded? ice type doesnt need to be improved because there's nothing wrong with it. It's the most balanced, perfect type. Changing anything would make it worse as a concept

>>30547584
You just gotta believe

No more defensive Pokemon.

>>30547601
(You)

>>30547459
But weak to salt attacks

only allowed in PU

>>30547360
Super effective against everything

>>30547360
get rid of it

>>30547540

fairy really ruined its niche as dragonslayer type. Should have made ice immune/resist dragon and not even come up with fairies

>>30547601
The problem is that GF keeps making defensive Ice types when Ice is awful defensively.

Ice melts when put in water, guys. Water is higher temp than ice.

Offensive, fast Pokemon only

>>30547601
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pu-viability-rankings.3528743/

count the ice types.

>>30547723

see

>>30547692

also
>smogon

>>30547540
What changes would you make to frozen status?

>>30547360
Not weak to Rock(s).

>>30547360
Resistance to water and ground. Hail gives a 50% boost to physical defense

>>30547742
They're not any better in VGC I can promise you that.

>>30547360
Flying/Grass/Ground resist

>>30547896

so what? go through any metagame ever and I garuntee every team carries at least a few pokemon with ice beam/blizzard. Guess what, those are ice type moves.

the fact that there aren't many good pokemon that happen to be ice type is just gamefreak making shit mons again

>>30547437
you'd be surprised at how STRONG ice is in real life, it can cut through ship is you aren't careful how you sail through it

>>30547360
Slush rush mega empoleon

>>30547773
I have no idea honestly. It's too similar to sleep in that they both prevent you from moving and nothing else, the mechanics of how you get cured of it are just different.

Just some spitballed ideas:
>20% chance to unfreeze remains, but reasonable maximum to number of turns spent frozen. Just a stronger sleep, essentially.
>you gain double Def and SDef when frozen
>getting damaged by any attack, not just fire ones, unfreezes you
>how FRZ affects a pokemon depends on type. Ice types are immune already, but the chance to break free could be lower for types weak to ice, and higher for those resistant to it.

Impossible
>4 weakness, all comon ones
>1 resist, itself
>90% of the ice types are "defensive" ones, and if they add another type is one that doesn't negate any of its weakness, but instead gives it more

IB loses TM status

>>30547360
Double stab for Ice types

>>30547360
freeze version thunder wave

>>30548159
>Ice Beam gets Frost Breath Tier distrobution

>>30547360
Super effective against water

>>30547360
super effective against water

Resist fighting and rock

>>30547360
Resists Ghost and Water

Resists Water and Flying

>>30547494
We get one move that is super effective though! Who cares about it having awful distribution, right?

>>30547360
weak and strong everything

Ice? Not so fast

>>30547360

Effective against Water types.

>lose weakness to sneaky pebbles, maybe to fighting
>gain resistance to water and ground
>water doesn't resist it anymore
>Ice Beam becomes exclusive to Ice-types (or at least not given to every Water type out there)
>more hyper-offensive Ice pokemon
>more Slush Rush users
>physical Ice move stronger than Icicle Crash (Stone Edge typeshift?)

Ice isn't as useless as Psychic is now

>>30547360
Now resists Fairy Type

>>30547360
I can't explain in four words, dammit.

1) More speedy, offensive ice types
2) At least a resistance to water, grass, and flying
3) Ice types get an advantage in Hail
4) A freeze version of Thunder Wave/Will-O-Wisp; it would have low accuracy and sparse distribution, however because freezing is too overpower.

Speedy Attacker, Queenly Majesty

>>30548351
Psychic is saved by having Megazam, Mega Garde, Tapu Lele and about half the Ubers tier having that type.

>>30548385

>freezing is OP
>just a worst Sleep
>Sleep has 2 100% accurate status moves

A 100% freeze chance move for slow ice types would be fine.

>>30548226
>>30548231
Ice offense isn't problem

Baneful Bunker: Freeze Edition

>>30548433
Male Jynx?

or futa?

>>30547360
Resists flying, bug, water

Sheer cold 100% accuracy

>>30548450
Unless they change the freeze mechanic it would absolutely not be ok unless it had distribution to exclusively shitmon.

more speedsters, resist flying

Pokemon with high speed

>>30547360
Remove the fighting type

resist water and flying

>>30548406
This.

Ice is a bad type with bad mons
Psychic is a bad type with incredible mons

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>>30547360
Some actual defensive Abilities

Remove Faries, Buff Ice

>>30547360
Fire Ice Destroy Steel

>>30548665

Freezing is pretty shit. But if people would really be mad, they could make it:
Turn 1: 0% unthaw chance
Turn 2: 20% unthaw chance
Turn 3+: 50% unthaw chance

>>30548450
>just a worst Sleep
This isn't anywhere close to true.

>>30547540
>The only good thing about Ice moves is
It hits four types for SE damage and it's a coverage type they love giving random shit.

Aurora Veil without Hail.

ban fucking stealth rock

More resistances, less weaknesses

>>30547360
Sheer cold no guard

>>30547360
Should make it super against steel and water

>>30547360
Free hotdogs and soda.

Ice can't be good til they fix the coverage problem.

Pokemon shouldnt learn moves to counter their weaknesses unless it makes sense.

"This Psychic type can use Ice Beam because its a concentrated blast of energy and they're using their mind--" doesn't cut it. Nor does "This Dragon or Fighting type has arms, so Poison Jab."

Make Lapras Great Again

Resistances instead of just weaknesses. It should resist everything it's SE against. It doesn't need any more SEs.
>Dragon, Flying, Grass, Ground, Ice resistances
>Fire, Fighting, Rock, Steel weaknesses

>>30547773
>Ice type Pokemon have a doubled chance to inflict Frozen status with attacks

>>30548173
This would be nuts, assuming they don't just distribute it to fucking everyone like Ice Beam/Blizzard.

>>30548940
Giving it just the coveted ground and dragon resists would be great. Flying and Grass have a hard time dealing with common resistances already.

>>30547374
>slugma used fire spin

>>30548829
This would help.

No idea what they were thinking with the move. Being a very low distribution dual screens is fine. Making it viable on literally only one pokemon is now.

>>30549062

It'd be too broken without the Hail requirement. It stacks with LS and Reflect as well.

They should've made Aurora Veil an Aqua Ring that weakens incoming Physical contact moves a bit, maybe activates Snow Cloak as well.

>>30549131
A very strong move is fine if not many things get it.

As it stands right now, even if Veil didn't need hail, Alola-tales would still be the best user of it. The hail requirement as it stands just means that you can use other weather setters to counterplay it, but you're not commonly going to have one of those (a lot of them can't safely switch in to A-tales, either.)

>>30547360
Immune to water type.

make it stop sucking

add several good pokemon

>>30547360
Fire weak to Ice

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resists grass and water

>>30549062
> Being a very low distribution dual screens is fine.

when was the last time gamefreak ever did an exclusive move and actually kept it low distribution? Sure it starts out given to a couple mons, then they release "special" versions to event pokemon, then it becomes an egg move for anything that can breed with the pokemon it was exclusive to, and then pretty much a normal move anything can learn.

see: megahorn, outrage, sacred fire, v-create, etc. They can't resist giving broken moves to everything If they were to try it with aurora veil in 2 gens it would be a TM.

>>30547360
no more fire weakness

>>30549328
TM70 AURORA VEIL NIGGA

kill it with fire

Resists grass dragon flying

make ice beam exclusive

>>30548999
>fairy is weak to fire
??

Resists grass/dragon/water.

Not weak to rock

>>30550196
Ground grass and dragon
Water is fine

Resists Fighting, Touching Slows

>>30547494
Ever put an ice cube in water?
A bigger question is why isn't water supper effective against ice?

>>30547601
So, every Ice mon should be competitively trash for the sake of a concept? Or is being useless the concept itself?

Inverse battles come back.

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>>30550428

>Have you ever completely submerged this thing in this other thing?

Have you ever put the equivalent volume of a cube of water inside a much larger body of ice?

Shit goes both ways, that is a shit comparison.

>>30547360
Super effective on water

Buff defense in hail

>>30547360
Hail boosts Icemons offenses

Fairies immune to hail

There, now you have ice type nukes and good bulky mons to use in weather.

>>30550428
Ice becomes water because of heat, which would be the domain of Fire-types.

What does water do when it violently strikes mass of ice? Most of it gets shrugged off.

That indicates a literal resistance (but not immunity) to water.

>>30547360
More fast and offensive

Resist water and grass.

Firemons using fire moves against Ice moves change the Ice move's type to Water.

Flamethrower turns Icebeam to Surf

>>30547360
Icy Region in Gen-8

>>30550196
>resists ground/water/dragon
FTFY. Grass REALLY doesn't need anymore resists.

>>30547360
in hail ice pokemon get +1 spd and evasion
all other pokemon get - 1 speed and evasion

Hail slows, no damage

>>30551039
put a cube of ice in an equally sized cube of water and what happens?

SE or resist fairy

Aurora Dance, spe/spa

More than one resistance

more resists, better hail

>>30547481
Fucking this.

>>30547437
>ice is weak
You are really, really fucking dumb.

>>30547360
improve the ice type

>>30547360
Resists Water, Electric, Fairy.

"Not weak to Fighting"

>>30552637
>Punching through boulders and metal is fine but ice is incredibly hard

>>30547360
BONUS
DAMAGE
UNDER
HAIL
fucking saved

>>30548905
Your way of thinking is what primarily fucked over samurott and to a lesser extent, serperior
Samurott literally just needed earthquake to be decent, but nope, cucked his shit up

Non-Contact Rough Skin

Retool weaknesses and resistances

>>30547360
just choose another type

>>30547360
Resist the Ground Type

no guard sheer cold

>>30547717
Ice types are essentially powerful water manipulators. Imo all Ice types should be borderline OP because Water is OP and most chill the area around them or have a core cold enough to make water their advantage, never a weakness. Ice moves boosted in rain and double boosted in hail could reflect this. However ice should be immune to ice and maybe water. That'd be enough of a niche to make it not shit. Also fuck Rock, has no business being strong towards Ice, Ground makes more sense with a Sand/Salt <> Permafrost mutual hatred relationship

>>30551324
that's just ambient temperature, doctor senpai

Remove some weaknesses.

>>30547360
Ice is fine. Ice as a status problem is really good when things go in your favor and as a type it's really good offensively.

>>30547628
Ice becomes resistant to Water, except for Scald and Brine that hit it super effective. Although arguably Scald already has way too much presence as is.

>>30547360
Remove Rock/Steel Weakness.

>>30547360
Ice Type Extreme Speed

ice type soak

>>30547437
Learn to read reeeeee

>>30547360
Hail removes elemental weakness.

>>30548905
Psychic could actually work with Ice Beam if you think about it like Cryokinesis. But I see what you're saying.

>>30547360
Fairy and Ice immunities

>>30547360
Ice STAB 40% freeze.

>>30547360
Stop defensive ice types.

Merge it with water

>>30547360
super effective against water

>>30547360
Ice mons more speed

give ice more resists

resist water, grass, fire

One shot everything ever.j

>>30547540
Ice type is literally the best coverage in the game and across the metas

>>30547360
Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger.

>>30547437
>Not every type needs to be good

Yes they do.

>>30547360
Resist Water Fairy Ground

More Mons Like Weavile

to balance out any changes:
>now weak to scald

Resists:
Normal
Grass
Bug

Ice Types now get 1/16th recovery in hail OR a 50% boost to Def.

>>30547360
Resist water, scald Supereffective

>>30547360
Ground and Ghost resist

>>30565479
Considering every non-ice Water type learns it and usually uses it if a special attacker, that just makes Ice even worse

>>30547360
Nerf stealth rock, done.

>>30564732
Yes, and non-Ice types are the ones using all those Ice moves

>>30547437
shut the fuck up faggot. pretty much every water type learns ice beam

Stealth Ice

Add Stealth Steel too just to give all the solids a Stealth Rock Variant

>>30547360
ground water flying resistance

Resists Water, Grass, Flying

Alternative: Hail 50% Defense buff

>>30550166
>>fairy is weak to fire

>>30547360
Literally even two resistances

>>30547360
automatically freezed when encountered

All the morons suggesting Ice should resist Grass are selfish bastards who don't care what happens to weaker types.

>>30547360
More bulky ice types

>>30547360
resist kingdra, rock neutral

>>30547360
Resists Ground and Flying.

more resistances, better stats.

>>30567260
This, Grass and Bug don't need to be shit on anymore than they have been already.

REMOVE THE ICE TYPING

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>>30547360
Only weakness is Fire.

>>30547360

Super Effective on Poison

because viruses can be killed through exposure to lower temperatures than they can handle

Bring. Back. Inverse. Battles.

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>>30547417
This, I never understood why water resists ice, but ice doesn't resist water

>>30547360
Kyurem-B gets physical move

>>30567993
This would work really well, actually. You don't need a bunch of new, nonsensical resistances if you eliminate 3 weaknesses. Fighting, Rock, and Steel wouldn't lose out much since they'd still hit neutral.

Make Ice offensive only

>>30547723
11 ice types

holy shit thats like half the roster

>>30548802
You get 1 guaranteed turn of sleep

Freeze is a coin flip or a scald out

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>>30567993
One weakness, one resistance

Ice Type Stealth Rock.

>>30568628
And look at WHERE they are in the lowest tier. Most of them are outclassed by prevolutions, and the ones that aren't are Rotom and two legendaries.
And looking at higher tiers...you've got Black Kyurem and Weavile in OU, Cloyster and Mamoswine in UU, Froslass, Mega Abomasnow, and regular Kyurem in BL2 Sneasel and Mega Glalie in RU, and Abomasnow, Aurorus, and Jynx in NU. And two Ubers in Arceus and White Kyurem (I wonder how often Ice Arceus is actually used?). And most of those would probably prefer to not be ice type - they'd performing as well as they are in spite of their typing, instead of because of it.
I'll be honest, I'm surprised about most of what's in NU being not PU. Or that Froslass got booted from RU.

>>30547360
Add 4 more resistances

>>30547360
Defense
0x
Grass
Flying

.5x
Bug
Normal
Dragon
Ground
Fairy
Ice
Ghost

2x
Water
Fighting

Offensive additions
2x
Rock
Bug

>>30547360
Slaughter all fire types.

>>30548295
>Use Scald on ice type
>Doesn't deal super effective damage
???

Hail gives stat buffs

Resist water and fairy

>>30565746
So make Ice Pokemon good instead of trying to buff a type that doesn't need buffs.

>>30551097
This is terrible logic. kek.

Just go full ham on the "ice is a good offensive type" thing.

Hail halves speed of all non-ice mons (slush rush turned into something like Sand Force.)
Buff Jynx so it's not paper frail and make it a bit faster; buff Lapras' SpA a bit, give Crabominable like +30 to both defenses. Give Articuno Magic Guard as HA.

>>30547360
Give hail defense boost