VGC

Does Spotlight work for doubles? It doesn't do anything when I try it on Showdown.

Running choice scarf Lycanroc-M for no miss rock slides is pretty anti-meta.

>>30547503
Not really, you can't force your opponent to target himself.

>>30547503
>Running choice scarf Lycanroc-M for no miss rock slides is pretty anti-meta.
What's that even anti-meta'ing? I can't think of anything who'd be hurting much from those rock slides but Marowak who you'd be outspeeding anyway.

>>30547565
the only anti-meta thing about it is flinch desu

>>30547651
That's not what anti-meta is at all retard.

>>30547743
fine, an actual anti-meta mon is macho brace araquanid in TR. slower than a-maro and torkoal, just needs weather support.

As far as oranguru leads are concerned, my Incinium Z Incineroar and kings rock Whimsicott lead has yet to fail knocking it out first turn.

>>30547130
Where is the resource pastebin?

>>30548043
It wasn't in the last VGC thread either. Guess OP forgot because of that.

>>30547871
No. Anti-meta is something that works against the status quo of the meta-game. Nihlego is anti-meta because it's a hard counter to fairies Gyarados and Marowak-a.

>>30547130
>Bamboo/Koko/Chomp/Gyara/Marowak

What sets are all these running?

>>30548364
How does Nihilego hard counter Maro? Power Gem won't kill bulky sets and it dies to any ground move.

>>30548473
>Power Gem won't kill bulky sets
Yes it will.
252 SpA Life Orb Nihilego Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Marowak-Alola: 159-190 (95.2 - 113.7%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

>>30548404
You only need one ko to start snowballing. It's a fast pokemon in a slow meta. I run it with min max sp.atk spe/specs and gem kills.

>>30548404
sorry
meant
>>30548565
for
>>30548473

File: 1479613144186.jpg (704KB, 1347x1008px) Image search: [Google]

704KB, 1347x1008px

Is there counter to Mega Fug AND Perfect Zygarde in a doubles battle?

Is there a pokemon that singlehandedly deals with pelipper+garchomp? all I can think of is starmie, but starmie dies to koko/gets boned by marowak switches.
I'm using gastrodon right now and I love it because it deals with gyarados/garchomp/koko but pelipper is messing me up. I might replace araquanid but I would need another wide guard user. any ideas?

>>30548635
Mega fug isn't invited to '17. Alola dex only. Neither is Zygarde, No legends. So why would we care?

>>30548635
Dumb frogposter.

>>30548704
It will be in '19

>>30548732
Your point? We'll worry about that then then.

>>30548732
Well that gives the meta 2 years to mature. Right now it's 2 weeks old from initial release, a month from leaks.

File: 1398693067385.jpg (12KB, 200x200px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 200x200px

>>30547130
I don't know why everyone is running the celesteela/garchomp/tapu koko core because it is weak to other celesteela/garchomp/tapu koko cores. Koko destroys 2 members of that core. Very odd to me that people insist on running the same thing and having weird pissing matches with each other where they essentially rotate their koko around because it counters the enemy's whole team.

Why don't people just check out and run different teams to avoid this koko dancing?

>>30548404
>Bamboo
Majority I've seen are Calm bulky, with Heavy Slam, Protect, Leech Seed, and Sub/Flamethrower, with either Leftovers or Fire Z Crystal.

>Koko
Timid 4/252/252 for the most part. Item varies a lot, I personally like Z-Mirror Move for memery.

>Chomp
You really need to ask?

>Gyara
It's too versatile to narrow it down to one or two sets.

>Marowak
Bulky offense that cockblocks every UB but Squid and also the Tapus. Don't forget your Thick Club and Lightning Rod!

File: 1421640399511.jpg (54KB, 600x600px) Image search: [Google]

54KB, 600x600px

>>30548812
Gee, it's almost like the meta is just starting it's super underdeveloped and people are just using what's good and safe at first glance because they'd rather play it safe at events where winning or losing actually means something.

>>30548812
I switched.
>lele
>waifu
>gyara
>bones
>jellyfish
>cosplay pikaboo

>>30548874
You're supposed to leave it unspoiled so the thumbnail taunts us.

anyone else like dhelmise? its not super goood or anything but it does a good job of walling the tapus with an AV set.

who are some good vgc youtubers, only one i know is zheng

>>30548874
It's almost like you are being rude right now.

>>30548858
>Chomp
You really need to ask?

I assume 252A 252S Outrage/EQ/Sword Dance, and Stonedge/Poison Jab for last. But there are lots of variants as well,.

>Marowak
Bulky offense that cockblocks every UB but Squid and also the Tapus. Don't forget your Thick Club and Lightning Rod!

252 HP 252 Atk?

>>30548473
marowak has like no special bulk.

>>30548969
chomp is a bit more versatile than that guy seems to say. AV, yache, scarf, groundium, and sash are all pretty good on him.

>>30548969
>outrage
>no protect
You're new to VGC?

Garchomp basically always goes 4/252/252 Jolly with Earthquake and Protect at least. Outrage is useless due to being unable to choose your target. I would assume most are still running Dragon Claw, and maybe Poison Jab for Tapus. I was underwhelmed by the damage on the latter though. As for items, you actually have a decent amount of options. Rocky Helmet, Yache, Lum, Sash, Z-Crystals, etc.

File: 1479131462349.jpg (95KB, 897x869px) Image search: [Google]

95KB, 897x869px

>>30548969
>Outrage
>Stone Edge
2012 Singles called. They want you back.

>>30547130
I know its pretty much offtopic, but anyone knows what font was used for the "general" in the logo?

Thanks in advance.

>tfw fucking up people's rollouts with Feint Flygon + Galvanize Explosion
Where's your Wide Guard now?

File: 1479203151398.png (129KB, 600x635px) Image search: [Google]

129KB, 600x635px

is there a way to use araquanid viably?

>>30550391
>play showdown
>slap a choice band on it
>spam liquidation

Look what I found. Made me laugh.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7battlespotdoubles-489910617

>>30550592
>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7battlespotdoubles-489910617
What was he even trying to do? Pass to the bug that dies to a stiff breeze?

File: 1480140187844.png (373KB, 624x338px) Image search: [Google]

373KB, 624x338px

Which pokemon has a super strong recoil move? I like those.

Right now I only know about tapu bulu with woodhammer but I would prefer a faster pokemon.

>>30550690
Made me laff because it's something verlis would actually try to do

>>30550729
Pikachu :)
Arcanine gets Flare Blitz as well, but you don't want to run that. You could try Trick Room, there are a lot of slow Pokemon that have access to Double Edge/Flare Blitz/Wood Hammer.

>>30550729
you could try running a mixed tapu koko with wild charge. It's high attack stat + electric terrain makes up for wild charge's base power

I feel like Incineroar has untapped potential, even before it gets Intimidate, but especially after.

Can KO Oranguru/resist Torkoal for plebs still running that, can Throat Chop to prevent Gyarados from Roar-ing your own TR setter or boosted partner. Also can hit Celesteela.

Only problem is taking big neutral hits from Koko/Lele and SE hits from Gyara/Garchomp, but that's what team support is for.

>>30550729
Talonflame with Flare Blitz is the fastest.
There's also Buffalon with Head Charge.

>>30550729
A-golem: the strongest recoil move ever

File: 628Braviary[1].png (923KB, 1280x1280px) Image search: [Google]

923KB, 1280x1280px

is this little mommy fr*cker good for anything besides setting up tailwind, or does it just die without doing anything?

File: 1480948609910.jpg (211KB, 485x600px) Image search: [Google]

211KB, 485x600px

>Finally decide to get my ass to build something
>Decide on a general strategy I want and focus on it
>Pick my 6
>Can't settle for EVs, moves or even items
Holy shit was teambuilding always this hard? It's like I'm just starting to play again.

>>30550964
Defiant Brave Bird, Superpower, it's a bird that gets Rock Slide.

Is Mimikyu any good in doubles?

>>30550964
It's was in top 8 teams
Cant be that bad with the selection

>>30547130
Slowking quite, regenerator@ sitrus berry
Trick room, surf, fire blast/psychic, slack off/protect

Parasect adamant, dry skin@leftovers
Leech life, fell stinger, spore, seed bomb/cross poison

Gg

>>30550985
Its rock slide really doesn't do a lot of damage and it is not fast enough to use it anyway.

>>30551007
Taunt.

GG

>>30551007
slowking gets OHKOed by tapu koko

>>30551015
There's not many things that get hurt my rock slide much either right now too. Rock is a pretty shitty type right now.

>>30548364
I have a lot of succes with Pelipper. Although at this point it's a meta mon instead of anti-meta I guess.

Pyukumuku is the real anti-meta though. Laugh all you want. It works.

>>30550729
Consider Arcanine as a similar risk/reward type Pokemon with the flare blitz, wild charge, close combat, e- speed set. Always been a bro for me

>>30551032
Back that shit up with lando t

>>30550973
> Not just going 252/252/4 to start and then adjust EVs after playing some rounds

Just slap shit on there Anon. Then battle battle battle. Come back, evaluate your EVs and items and adjust.

>>30551032
Back it up with marowak

>>30551109
I would rather have a team that is legal in the format

>>30551095
Nobody would expect that either because every arcanine these days is running the passive snarl set with weak bitch flamethrower

Go! Arcanine!
[Arcanine's Intimidate!]
The opposing Braviary's Attack fell!
[Opposing Braviary's Defiant!]
The opposing Braviary's Attack rose sharply!
The opposing Braviary's Adrenaline Orb activated!
The opposing Braviary's Speed rose!

Shit.

>>30551322
WOW

File: 1455669804916.jpg (122KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

122KB, 1280x720px

>All these Torkoals I keep outspeeding under THEIR Trick Room with Gigalith because people don't make their Torkoals Quiet

>>30551606
how is life at 1050

>>30551648
It's about 1300 now but pretty well so far.

I kinda miss Excadrill though. I tried A-Dugtrio but it's not the same at all.

http://pastebin.com/GJxwDTys Any changes I should make to my sets? I'm considering giving Nihilego thunderbolt and LO but I also like LO on Koko

>>30551733
gj you're just like everyone else

>>30551859
>>>/reddit/

>>30551859
What's your point? I'm trying to get good at playing doubles not be creative

>>30551883
You're more suited to reddit what with their upvote system ensuring everyone has the same opinion. makes more sense for you to be there with your copy-pasted uncontroversial team. why do you even need help with it? just do what everyone else is doing.

>>30551906
I'll be creative once I'm good at playing.

>>30551920
Or will you be good at playing once you're creative?

>>30551955
I mean. No? Even if I'm playing the same team as LITERALLY everyone else, if I don't know what I'm doing I'm still going to lose.

>>30551955
Being a special snowflake doesn't win you games bub. There's no special trophy for whoever brought the most "creative" team.

You start being "creative" at Pokemon when you figure out what Pokemon that's kinda out there would become a good pick for whatever reason, not by shoving your shitmon bro and hope he'll win you games because you expect real life to also run on anime logic power of bro.

>>30551992
copying and pasting the top team and then putting random items with 252/252/4 EV distribution won't make you good either

it also leaves you open to be hard countered because everyone and their mom knows the team

>>30552079
And? It teaches you the basics of the game. Furthermore, using the cookie cutter team yourself lets you know how it works alongside it's pros and cons so when you encounter it in the future you can use the knowledge you gained from using it to beat it.

Everyone has to start from somewhere. You first have to learn the game before starting to be "creative" because being "creative" is actually advanced shit. You don't start doing it since day 1 because you'll just get rekt like a retard by the other guy who's using the generic cookie cutter team but actually knows how to the game and how to run the cookie cutter team. Creativity is not the end-all of everything. Stop falling for the Pachirisu meme so hard.

>>30552120
i'm gay

File: 1480975332494.png (485KB, 636x580px) Image search: [Google]

485KB, 636x580px

>can't break out of 1200

https://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/competitions/
It's up now for some reason?

>>30547130
VGC is the worst way to play competitive Pokemon. Unfun, imbalanced, and nothing but repetitive cancer.

>>30552225 (you)

File: 1480987000886.jpg (62KB, 952x242px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 952x242px

How we looking senpai?

I am still working on sets but so far I seem to fuck up a lot againsy Trick Room teams.

>>30552829
Put TR on your own Porygon2 to make mad plays brother

>>30552829
delete golisopod. it's trash.

>>30552855
He's come in pretty clutch from testing.

Leech Seed and Hail apparently don't set off E-Exit.

What would be a good spread for Araquanid? Also what item is the best choice for the bubble spider?

>>30550848
Hey, if you think you can make it work go for it.

>>30548666
HP Ice Tapu Koko?

>>30552937
>Garchomp held on with it's Focus Sash/Yache Berry!
>Garchomp used Earthquake!

>Oranguru/Lilligant/Torkoal
How the hell do you deal with this?

>>30548666
How does one struggle with fucking Pelipper? It's a meme mon

>>30548982
Enough special bulk to soak Top Lel's Psychic and KO it back.

>>30551322
I guess I will run FREEEDOM BIRD over YA BOIS BUG then so people stop their nagging about it being shit.

Holy fuck.

>>30553139
The only bad one here is you and your shitty 1050 elo, Richard.

>>30552999
electric terrain
pelipper
garchomp
gyarados
basically everything everyone is running right now
also wide guard

>>30553139
I have a feeling you are someone who goes into every thread shouting "IT'S SHIT LOL" about everything not s-tier meta while you never battle yoursef. Diaf

>>30551322
I think adrenaline orb on a defiant/competitive mon is stupid. The opponent is already going to be wary about switching in intimidate, and you're giving them more of a reason not to. Might as well get some actual use from a different item.

What's a good beginner team for someone who wants to get started on VGC?

>>30553990
top kek
garchimp
gwawados
marowank
bamboo
p2/raichu/whatever

literally meta vgc: the team

>>30548858
>bamboo
>calm
>heavy slam

why?

File: metagross_by_theangryaron-d6as14c.png (192KB, 600x614px) Image search: [Google]

192KB, 600x614px

Anti Meta Metagross Lead(heh):
- Stealth Rock (everyone thinking him as usual Metagross Lead)
- Bullet Punch (to ourpunch the faster lead)
- Psychic (for surprise when they brought special wall)
- Explosion (ALOLASNACKBAR!!!)

>>30554130
>vgc
>sneaky pebbles

no

>psychic

no

your metagross is shit and you should feel shit

fuck the stupid bulky duck

>>30550391
Toxic
Infestation
Soak
Liquidation

File: image.jpg (91KB, 570x587px) Image search: [Google]

91KB, 570x587px

>>30554143

you responded to obvious bait, idiot

>>30554143
To be fair, this works best using element of surprise. And Metagross do have workable SPA stat for that to work.

I used Mixed Metagross lead a lot in ORAS, sometimes with explosion replaced by earthquake.

>Implying most people did not bring physical wall against Metagross
Unless it's Dark, most physical wall is vulnerable to psychic due to low special defense. And that's why I carry Explosion around, many never expect it.

Anti-Meta Slowbro Lead:
Poopybro (Slowbro) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Mud-Slap (to remove accuracy and deal STAB ground damage against Marowak)
- Rest (for recovery)
- Slack Off (for more recovery)
- Sleep Talk (to recover and attack during sleep)

When I win the world championchips with this, I'm gonna go up on stage and tell the world "OOPSIES POOPSIES!"

>>30554074
http://pastebin.com/QNrEKjag

A bit undecided on Gyara, Top Kek, and Raichu. Got any suggestions?

>>30554293
>http://pastebin.com/QNrEKjag
>Gyara
ditch 4th move and give that nigger taunt. you need it with all the TR around in vgc if not running counter-TR yourself

>topkek
>tbolt, hp ice, volt switch/dazzling gleam, protect
standard build. volt switch is nice to keep momentum. watch out for marowaks

>raichu
fake out is nice. nuzzle could be nice. speed swap is a bit niché but could be nice if running slow mons with it without TR

>>30554353
So maybe

Raichu-Alola @ Focus Sash
Ability: Surge Surfer
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fake Out
- Speed Swap
- Nuzzle
- Thunderbolt

Any suggestions on this team? It did good till 1660 or so, after that the win ratio became 50%.

http://pastebin.com/dL77uWDk

Bulu comes out rarely because of its typing, but when it comes out it's quite bulky and kills what I want him to. The z-move oneshots Oranguru.

Tapu Fini is my usual lead since nobody expects to be oneshotted by her. SpA is just enough to oneshot Garchomp without the weakness policy boost.
A noteworthy comment is that she managed to tank a terrainless (the terrain was on but I had the Aurora Veil) Tapu Lele psychic while being at 50% HP.

Ninetales is another lead, it outspeed Nihilego and mostly anything that isn't scarfed which is good since my main objective is to setup Aurora Veil. I don't run focus sash because once I setup I'm almost granted to survive. My matches often go past the five turns, that's why I have the clay.

Araquanid is just a Wolfey set, hits hard, tanks on the special side. Quite straightforward. It's mostly here because I hate Torkoal and anytime I try to remove it I get greeted by like 5 Torkoal teams in a row. The game knows.

Arcanine is an utility tank that can remove dying mons with expeed and hit relatively hard if needed with the z-move. EVs are generic.

Standard Wolfey Marowak, nothing to say here.


My problem is mainly trick room teams, torkoal and the fact that I don't really have much offensive presure. I don't know if I can modify this thing or just go back to the drawing board.
The mainly replaceable mons are Bulu and Araquanid.

>>30554397
ditch t-bolt and run psychic instead. you already got electric attacks on TopKek and marowak completely renders it useless

could also run protect and/or volt switch in the slots of nuzzle and/or speed swap

speed swap is shit on your team because most is fast already. nuzzle is alright, but you already got t-wave on gwawados

or just ditch raichu and use porygon2 (tr, boltbeam, recover) instead

Serebii's description of the Battle Spot glitch with Rocky Helmet makes no sense. Anyone got a better explanation? Is it supposed to be different from gen 6 where the Rocky Helmet user would win?

>>30554491
>battle spot
>your pikachu used tackle
>enemy rattata took damage
>enemy rattata fainted
>your pikachu got damage due to rocky helmet held by rattata
>your pikachu fainted
>you're both out of pokemon

normally:
>you win

now (due to glitch)
>opponent wins

>>30554453
You know what I'm really digging the Porygon2 idea. That thing is really great and removing TR is great. So I think I'll go with this. Although I'm still kinda undecided on TopKeks moveset.

http://pastebin.com/GgbDSDYa

Still the Raichu seems like a good alternative if I feel like changing things up. I could drop T-Wave on Gyara and run D-Dance, or Icy Wind. And go Psychic, Protect, Fake Out, Nuzzle on Alohan Raichu

>>30554540
raichu is nice if you're not running a full meta team and run shit like torkoal

give marowak 68 SpD evs to soak a single TopLel's psychic so you can KO it back

>252+ SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Marowak-Alola in Psychic Terrain: 141-166 (84.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Shadow Bone vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tapu Lele: 288-342 (162.7 - 193.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

also invest some speed evs if you want to outrun alolan muk, clefable, porygon2 and assorted shitmons

>garchomp

be wary of no protect. might have to ditch rock slide for it. test it out

also use yache berry/focus sash on garchimp

consider lum berry on gyarados if its getting paralyzed too much

rest looks bretty gud. gj anon

>>30554519
Switcheroo rocky elmet new meta I'll win the worlds with this

Arcanine - Contrary Spinda lead...

Arcanine :
* Overheat
* Close Combat
* Extremespeed
* Flare Blitz / Crunch

Spinda :
* Skill Swap
* Toxic
* Protect
* Dizzy Punch

...

The rest are usually backed up by Metagross and Scizor, although there also time for Weavile and Ludicollo

Porygon2 + milotic with bulu and marowak in back fares well against the "standard"" good stuffs.

Source: beat Lorcy at the Liberty Garden PC using that strat.

>>30554685
fun thing is that the meta team effectively counters itself mostly

>>30554584
I'll go Yache for now since Garchomp dies having an Ice Cube thrown at it. I'll play test and see what's better for Gyara between Lum and Sitrus. Fixed Marrowak.

>>30554658
Sounds gimmicky. Tested it out yet? How did you fare?

>>30554701
What's the EV spread on Gyarados for? Notably the Def/SpD

>>30554707
I'll be honest. I just looked up past VGC sets for Gyarados and went with it. I'm totally new to this whole scene, but it gives it some nice bulk.

>>30550973
>Holy shit was teambuilding always this hard?

Nope, only after gen 5.

>>30554685
>Source: beat Lorcy at the Liberty Garden PC using that strat.
So how was that thing? Any cool stories?

>>30554739
General rule is only invest Def/SpD EVs if you want to survive a particular hit by a particular pokemon (see marowak toplel example above), unless you go fullblown defensive with evs and nature.

Same with speed on non-timid/jolly attackers (see marowak example above vs alola muk/clefable/etc).

If you don't know what you're doing just run jolly 4/252/252 on gyara

>>30554758
4 HP/252 Atk/252 Speed?

>>30554768
better idea. read this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/stunfisk/comments/5ftj9s/the_leviathan_of_destruction_gyarados_an_early/

>>30550973
You start with 252/252 then see what annoyes you so you go to the nugget bridge calculator and adjust EVs to deal with whatever you want.
For example my Ninetales isn't max speed since due to the general lack of scarf and slowish meta it doesn't really need to outspeed anything aside Nihilego.

>>30554793
That's actually what came up when I went to look for Gyara sets. Ultimately decided on Water Fall/Ice Fang/Protect/Taunt

>>30554827
Alright. As long as it works for you and your team.

My point being, if you want to autist minmax like the rest of us, understand your EVs and your threats (and how to counter them).

>>30554852
Yeah here's my final draft, I think its looking solid now. I just gotta playtest around and make some tweaks along the way. Thanks for you help.

http://pastebin.com/xFUzQtri

File: 1480945418202.png (2MB, 1380x769px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1380x769px

I'm sorry if this sounds really stupid but how do I start on VGC? never played any doubles aside from story battles but I'm very familiar with singles
Like, if I want to run with Vikavolt or Salazzle for example, where do I want to go after that? I heard that sweepers are useless in VGC so I'm not really sure

>>30554880
It's not that they're useless, just expect to be predicted and protected while the other mon KOs you back or at best see the sweeper survive three turns. If you know how to use it by that time you will have dealt a lot of damage and got a KO.
For example Nihilego is pretty scary despite being frail.

>>30554878
Godspeed, anon. May you mop the floor with many Japs online

>>30554880
Doubles plays faster than singles. VGC especially

>team of 6, can battle with only 4, with 2 on the field
>hazards are shit, dont use them
>boosting is mostly shit, dont use them unless you know what you're doing
>vgc restricts to alola dex minus sol/luna and necro I believe. not sure about megarana
>doubles is about prediction. run protect on almost every mon

>>30554913
>>30554923
Huh you can only use 4? that's interesting
So no pebbles, ok
How about shell smash Minior or Mimikyu?
How about Zygarde?
Ah my friend mentioned that Protect is king

>>30554707
Practically it is a gimmick that only works with Focus Sash given to Spinda, and when your opponent not expecting it, two attack by fast pokemon and that Spinda died uselessly, but even this means that I could score an overheat or Close Combat OHKO with Arcanine, effectively a good trade most of the time.

Arcanine obviously run leftover

Scizor is often the Mega Variant with
* Bullet Punch
* Aerial Ace
* Swords Dance
* U Turn / Baton Pass

Metagross is pretty much the counter counter on this team, running leftover or being Mega in place of Scizor
* Earthquake
* Meteor Mash
* Zen Headbutt
* Thunder Punch

Ludicollo is used when there's Water pokemon who could threaten everything else on the team.
* Giga Drain / Energy Ball
* Ice Beam / Blizzard
* Fake Out
* Synthesis

Weavile is when Landorus, Gliscor, or Garchomp is spotted
* Ice Shard
* Knock Off
* Icicle Crash
* Pursuit

And when i see the enemy might have two priority user, or anything that could use Mach Punch or Vacuum Wave, I replace Spinda with Metagross lead and have Metagross place filled by Ludicollo, Spinda being obviously benched.

>>30554933
yeah you have 6 pokemon in your box and you see 6 opponents pokemon on team preview, but you both can pick only 4. also keep that in mind

protect is indeed king. go spectate on showdown doubles/vgc matches to get a feel for how battles are going

>>30554933
Never met any minior so feel free to test it yourself.
Mimikyu is a decent TR setter, but it's also to fast to benefit from TR itself.

Zygarde is banned.

>>30554880
Vikavolt and Salazzle aren't particularly good or interesting so it's not the best way to start a team. But a lot of the same team building knowledge in singles applies to doubles with things like type synergy and whatnot, it's just played out differently

Salazzle gets Fake Out after bank though so it will have a good niche after that, as fast Fake Out + Encore makes for a really good support mon.

>>30555102
The antimeta-meta counter for protect is swords dance and nasty plot when you predict your opponent running counter

>>30555102
>>30555103
Ok I will try to watch some matches on showdown

>>30555111
Huh I didn't know that Fake Out would be good for Salazzle? Any reason in particular?

I would like to try making a team around my favourite mons first and avoiding UB and Tapuss for the time being since I'm pretty autistic about using legendary mons, besides having to catch them for competitive purpose will be a painful road to traed

File: 1473021602981.jpg (62KB, 424x628px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 424x628px

>>30554658
The same lead you used 2 years ago, isn't it?
I got rekt by it and still remember how salty I was
When I finish the game and my competitive team will be ready I will destroy you 2vs2 anytime m8

>>30554757
It was super fun, I'll post about it a bit after I get off from work.

>finally gave in and made a cookie cutter team
it doesn't even fucking feel powerful, and yet...

>>30555149
Ah, lol so you're one of the guys who laughed and called me Noob when I bring Spinda!!!

>>30554293
Run U-turn instead. Less damage but avoids getting walled by chomp and offcourse a-wak

>>30555218
Over what? Discharge? HP Ice? Dazzling Gleam?

>>30555149
Nobody smart will run the same gimmick team twice

Is there anywhere other than furfag's channel that has strategies for every Pokemon? Like a Doubles/VGC-Smogon?

>>30555379
Wolfe Glick?

>>30555387
Is he doing everything or only worthwhile mons?

SD Silvally with explosion seems decent to me. Manage to nuke a few of those mainstream mons with an explosion

>>30555414
He's doing a mix of shitmons and goodmons.
>>30555424
What else are you running?

>>30555139
fake out is pretty good in doubles to stop a pokemon in its tracks the first turn (usually TR setter or booster), giving your second pokemon a chance to boost or switch to a counter or taunter

I used to run megamom + scrafty last season with double fake out. shit was cash

>>30555379
CybertronVGC, he even made a 40 mins video with all the resources and basics for people who are starting out.

My only complaint is that right now he's running a brainded Torkoal team in his ladder climbing videos.

>>30555379
Hibiki

>>30555566
I wonder what he's bringing to London

>>30555445
>>30555566
>>30555579
Thanks, these all seem like great resources. Is there anything written? I was told Nugget Bridge was good, but I'm pretty sure I've been rused.

>>30555608
nuggetbridge is one of the best resources for vgc

there's also smogon for generic strats and builds, but doesn't focus on vgc

also /r/stunfisk

>>30555566
Let's be real when's the last time Cybertron put effort into making his own good team?

>>30555566
That 40 minute video could've easily been 15.
Guy isn't eloquent at all

So how are people countering Tapu Lele?

I'm finding the thing is the real problem in this meta and really restricts what you can run. Psychic Terrain's anti priority + STAB boost is way overkill and people are now starting to run Scarf Lele to great effect since 95 speed in this meta is practically sonic speed with how ass slow everything is.

I know a bunch of people will start crying TRICK ROOM but you have to first let the thing take a massive chunk out of you before that happens since Fake Out is a no go with it. Plus you're not even guaranteed to kill it after the TR as it's surprisingly fat even uninvested.

Only Tapu who even wants to risk a switch in to change terrain is Fini, Koko gets utterly annihilated and even Bulu doesn't appreciate being hit on it's special side.

A-Muk seems like the go to here but it gets so easily neutered with all the Gyarados spam and just about everything else checking or countering it really needs a decent support partner.

It feels like it's pretty much a pure luck of draw matchup scenario that you just have to hope you played a different Koko on the same turn it shows up.

File: bd4fc3afd668e05fd1eebf8ee002abdf71d4bf91_hq.jpg (35KB, 512x512px) Image search: [Google]

35KB, 512x512px

>>30555901
Celesteela, mostly.

Tapu Lele is really good. But Celesteela (and literally everyone running it) prevents it from being severely overpowered.

>>30547130
lanturn for gyara-marowak or any combinations with wak

>>30555978

Only if you catch Marowak off-guard.

252+ SpA Lanturn Scald vs. 252 HP / 68 SpD Marowak-Alola: 116-140 (69.4 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>184+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Bonemerang (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Lanturn: 264-312 (113.7 - 134.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>30556016
ye i know, im running it with hydropump and air ballon for waks and chomps

>>30555901
but as you can see from the top cut teams from VGC liberty garden competition, majority of them have no tapu lele in their teams. I have a strong feeling that tapu leles are actually viable for only mid tier elos whereas top players literally don't give a shit about tapu lele.

>>30555901
My Tapu Fini walls her, my Bulu can take a hit and oneshot her, Arcanine either damages or annoyes her with Snarl, Marowak survives with 1% HP and oneshots her.

I really have no problems with her in general.

>>30555964
I've seen Thunderbolt on Lele

>>30556118
>, Arcanine either damages or annoyes her with Snarl,
What is ur spread for arcanine?

>>30556150
Thunderbolt doesn't even 2HKO specially bulky celesteela, while heavy slam OHKOs in return.

>>30555626
Kill yourself

>>30555850
His videos tend to feel redundant to me, but I think that's because they're mostly targeted towards people just getting into vgc.

>>30555626
Smogon is looking to become a major vgc resource again this year, keep an eye on it.

>>30555850
Better than Wolfe ADHD Glick

>>30548858
heavy slam ohko most tapus even if not attack invested

>>30552999
learn to predict desu

also wasted trips

>>30556206
Just a generic 252HP/4SpA/124Def/124SpD/4Spe modest one. It holds a firium-z but maybe sitrus or lefties would be better. Flamethrower, snarl, protect, extreme speed.
WoW is nice too but it really made me miss being able to defeat mons in their red bar before they could do anything.


I haven't seen stuff that makes me go for more particular spreads at the moment.

>>30553951
With the prevalence of Salamence, you're almost guaranteed an intimidate, otherwise you don't have to pick All-Americanmon for your four.

Shame Hitmontop isn't available this meta, would have really sealed the deal on adrenaline orb.

>Moonblast MIlotic
>SpA gets lowered
>Competitive gives it +1
>"Shit I forgot, and I even ran one days ago"
>I switch into Arcanine a bunch of turns later making it +3

And I still won somehow

>>30556215
>Thunderbolt doesn't even 2HKO specially bulky celesteela
Are you running special deffence nature or max ev. sp def?

>>30556400
is burned up a good move on arcanine? I have seen a couple of arcanine with that move to counter celesteela comps. But it does not look efficient to me because burned up only allows one use only.

>>30556269
Well good luck to them but they're about 5 years too late. Smogon have just kept becoming more deeply locked into their own culture to ever be a big VGC site

>>30556514
NB seems dead though. Maybe it's Smogon's chance to shine.

>>30556400
I've been running Calm 252HP/28SpA/108Def/116SpD/4Spe with Sitrus Berry
I don't think there's any physical attacker that can 2HKO that spread after being intimidated.
The only special things that can 2HKO are Lele/Koko in their terrains and Nihilego, and if you Snarl with the first hit that still becomes a 3HKO

>>30556400
You could also try
Arcanine @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 20 SpD / 236 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Snarl
- Will-O-Wisp
- Morning Sun / Protect

Can outspeed and burn Krookodile, Gyarados, etc, can also Snarl non-scarf Lele before they get an attack off.

>>30556510
Burn Up is a really interesting move, but having it as your only STAB can put you in really bad situations. Most arcanine sets don't have the space to run two fire moves though, so it ends up not seeing much use. I'm positive that somebody is going to use it well at some point this season though.

>>30556476
With 252 hp/140 spdef or 252 hp/44+ spdef celesteela has a favorable roll to survive two tbolts with leftovers recovery. More than that can make it guaranteed.

>>30556510
I'd argue yes it's a good thing as long you have a coverage move which can finish off Celesteela if you come short since the common counter to Arcanine is Gyarados. Getting rid of your fire typing allows Arcanine to stick around longer to piss off more things.

>>30556047
Does anyone run Metagross? Because I see the old staple being the perfect check for her but I can understand people not wanting to run it since Celesteela shuts it down hard.

>>30556514
Smogon missed the train by so many years it isn't funny.

>>30556590
On the other hand this too. I don't know what happened because NB was pretty good during '14 then it suddenly died during '15 and is now on life support.

>>30556672
Shame is they're all faster then it. Do you run Tailwind support too? Because if there ever was a case for it this would be it so it can get off the Snarl.

>>30556708
>Burn Up is a really interesting move, but having it as your only STAB can put you in really bad situations.
I generally find it's a good choice for Firium Z, gives you two shots at least and I find there are a lot of other things which enjoy the Sitrus berry more than Arcanine.

>>30556510
It's good but and I ran it for a while, but once you use it the Arcanine loses its offensive presence, you can fool the opponent with that though and use the turn after inferno overdrive

How do Toxapex and Comfey fare so far?

>>30556939
whats the new big VGC site to use?

>>30556939
>On the other hand this too. I don't know what happened because NB was pretty good during '14 then it suddenly died during '15 and is now on life support.

The site revamp was a mistake, like seriously that shit is unsurfable.

>>30556708
>With 252 hp/140 spdef or 252 hp/44+ spdef celesteela has a favorable roll to survive two tbolts with leftovers recovery.
So should I train Celesteela by prioritizing thunderbolt threats over the usual relaxed max hp, def build?

P.S. coz mine is relaxed nature with max ev in hp and def. So not sure if that is still fine.

>>30556939
>Does anyone run metagross
I haven't seen a lot of it since Celesteela, Marowak, and Garchomp are huge. I definitely expect it to be significant as the meta develops though.

>>30557000
Honestly hard to tell. Twitter has memes and some serious discussion, but it definitely doesn't replace forums. NB has been going downhill, if it doesn't start picking back up then smogon forums might start to replace it, or maybe they'll both be dead.

>>30557290
The NB forums have always been kind of shit though

Is pelipper just not that good? Im not seeing him on any teams posted.

>>30557362
No good Swift Swimmers right now

>>30557362
Pelipper is good.

The problem is there is virtually nothing to take advantage of Rain and Gyarados works even without Rain.

>>30557166
Honestly it's really dependent on your team. I didn't even consider thunderbolt calcs when making my spread because I tend to bring marowak with celesteela.

>>30557362
>>30557394
>>30557399
Don't be sleeping on Pelipper + Golduck

File: 1462125788711.jpg (13KB, 210x216px) Image search: [Google]

13KB, 210x216px

So has anyone made any usable team without tapus or UBs yet?

>>30557439
Trick Room teams don't really need them

>>30557439
the oranguru+torkoal+lilligant team can do without either from what i've seen.

>>30557439
These guys are correct
>>30557530
>>30557549
Run Torkoal, Drampa, Oranguru, Lilligant, and then your choice of additonal TR sweeper, additonal TR setter, additional fast mon.

>>30557549
>>30557611
how tr use lilligant?

File: file.png (7KB, 120x120px) Image search: [Google]

7KB, 120x120px

>>30557416
>Golduck
pshh, fuck him, pic relate is the real deal

>>30557645
It doesn't.
It spams After You in the sun outside of TR.

>>30557645
Lilligant is part of the non-TR mode of the team. With chlorophyll it outspeeds everything and can use After You to let Torkoal use fast eruption, Sleep Powder to neutralize a threat, or Leaf Storm to KO waters.

>>30553077
>Psychic
>Hitting a partial Ghost type
>Comparing it to tanking a SE Rock hit
Why are you posting again

>>30557678
so it's a second oranguru with Instruct?>>30557719
ok thank you, so defensive evs and not 0 IV in speed.

>>30557678
It's also a check for Torkoal's counters, most of them don't enjoy a strong STAB grass attack which is what more people fail to mention.

>>30557416
What would you run on Golduck? Specs?

>>30557801
nature and ev?

>>30557721
>STAB terrain-boosted high BP attack that hits Marowak neutrally
A Marowak spread that lives modest lele psychic has a favorable roll to live timid sash nihilego power gem.

>>30557757
After You =/= Instruct. Instruct allows you to fire off double eruption which KOs all kinds of things. After You is for mons which could deny the TR setup but are OHKOd by eruption if you can get it off. Lilligant should run about 36 speed EV btw, that puts it a few points above Pheromosa and should be faster than just about any scarf mon.

>>30557849
Well I haven't tested Golduck yet, but the people I've talked to mostly like Waterium Z.

Slush Rush Sandslash usable? Paired with Ninetales obviously

>>30557930
Sadly it's meh at best. It just doesn't do enough damage.

>>30557930
Maybe when it gets a proper Steel STAB, at the moment I think it only gets Metal Claw and Gyro ball?

>>30557976
It gets Iron Head

>>30557930
It's usable but not particularly good. Even with a life orb its damage output is underwhelming, and running both Ninetales and Sandslash is going to give your team some defensive issues.

>>30557953
>>30557976
>>30558069
Damn, it seemed like a pretty fun combo to counter Garchomps/Arcanine

>>30558085
Most things can't OHKO Arcanine with super effective and you planned to use something 4x weak to it to do it?

>>30558085
Ninetales works fairly well on its own for aurora veil support + outspeeding and OHKOing garchomp. Ninetales + Milotic is something I was kinda looking at, with Ninetales scaring Tapu Bulu away from Milotic while Milotic keeps Marowak and Arcanine away from Ninetales. Plus if you combine Milotic's natural bulk and access to Recover with Aurora Veil, you can wall out quite a lot of threats.

>>30557416
> Golduck

It's a shitmon Anon. Why would you even consider such a pathetic mon?

>>30558273
It's the least shitty swift swimmer that isn't cucked by intimidate in this meta. It's still kind of shit but rain boost gives him decent neutral offense.

Poliwrath is also an option with Z-Belly Drum. Has issues with Tapus though.

>>30554210
But Explosion is a physical move

>>30552951
So you want something that can take both physical and special hits, while also being strong enough to get through a berry and hits multiple times to get past sash? Primal Kyogre.

>>30556382
>"predict"
>guess whether the opponent will send out a TR combo or an After You Chlorophyll waifu

>>30558773
>not having a lead that handles both

Looks like you can run a Competitive Milotic holding an Adrenaline Orb with Timid and 116 in Speed to outspeed a Salamence after it has intimidated you. Maybe Run something like:

@Adrenaline Orb
Timid
140 HP/ 252 Sp.A/ 116 Spe
-Ice Beam
-Hydro Pump/ Scald
-Brine/ Water Pulse
-HP Fire/ Ground

>>30559297
>outspeed a Salamence
Why?

The common Intimidators are Gyarados and Arcanine and it has no chance of outspeed the former and already checkmates the latter.

Of things it'd enjoy outspeeding because it can push their shit in Garchomp is the only one.

>>30559297
It doesn't take nearly that much speed to outspeed mence at +1 - I think the EVs you gave are to outspeed Mega Salamence, which is banned anyways. Anyways, an adrenaline orb Milotic set should look more like this:
Milotic @ Adrenaline Orb
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
EVs: 156 HP / 252 SpA / 100 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Protect

If intimidated this set is able to outspeed everything up to Garchomp, and can OHKO anything weak to Scald/Ice Beam and 2HKO nearly everything else. Crucially, this set isn't entirely dependent on being intimidated. With decent HP investment and Recover, Milotic can still fill its usual role as a bulky water when facing an opponent who doesn't have / doesn't bring intimidate.

>>30557439
>or UBs yet?

Most teams don't even run UBs anymore, in Battlespot everyone and their mom has at least 3 Celesteela counters due to how infamous it is.
Nihilego is good but it's rare anyway since you're not forced to use it.
Xurkitree is good on Koko teams but outside that it doesn't see much use.
The rest of the UBs aren't used at all.

>>30559604
>Most teams don't even run UBs anymore
I'm calling bullshit on this.

The whole point why people pack multiple checks to Celesteela is because most are just that, shaky checks against it at best.

That doesn't suddenly make it shit, if anything it just re-affirms it has immense pressure meaning simply bringing it along and not using it can serve as doing its job as it forces your opponent to run a setup they normally wouldn't when they see team preview.

Then when you see a setup where you can use it with impunity have fun.

>>30559942
I never said it's shit, I just said there aren't as many Celesteelas as before because people have started keeping them in check.

>>30560059
>there aren't as many Celesteelas as before because people have started keeping them in check
Well top cut competitive teams do have Celesteela in it. I wonder how valid is your statement.

>>30560108
i have alilligant with 31 IVs and def 30, is it okaY' Or must i breed a 6 iv?

>>30560164
better to be 6iv. What are you planning to use liligant for?

>>30548666
My Ninetales runs Freeze Dry, which allows it to outspeed and OHKO both of those mons. I love that I can finally use my favourite Pokemon and not have it be useless.

What are all the pokemon that have water absorb or dry skin and are legal in vgc 17?

So far I know about parasect and gastrodon

>>30560857
whats ur spread and moveset for ninetails? just curious because its rare to see people run ninetails in this vgc meta

>>30560896
Lapras and Lanturn are the other potentially relevant ones.

>>30560896
Water Absorb:
Poliwrath
Lapras
Vaporeon
Lanturn
Politoed
Araquanid

Storm Drain:
Gastrodon
Lumineon

Dry Skin:
Parasect

>>30561039
THANKS MONKEY

Do people fight here? Climbing the ladder against random strangers is boring and most of them suck.
>>30559297
>>30559561
Timid is necessary to outspeed Tapu Koko. Hydro Pump should be considered for not wanting to miss on very crucial KOs, unless you have rain or Helping Hand support. HP Electric should be seen as an option as well to deal better with defensive variants of Pelipper and Gyarados.

>>30559297
>adrenaline orb raises speed when intimidated
>competitive

File: celesteela.gif (503KB, 126x105px) Image search: [Google]

503KB, 126x105px

best set for celesteela?

Will non Alolan-dex Pokemon become VGC legal once bank comes out in January?

>>30561666
nobody knows, Satan

>>30561732
no, but egg moves on alola dex mons that can only come from non-alola dex mons become legal.

>>30560926
I guess it must be, since every time I bring up using Ninetales people ask me this. It's nothing fancy, just the basic 252 spa/252 spe spread with Timid nature. I run sash as my item and the moves are Aurora Veil, Blizzard, Freeze Dry and Protect. Although the person in this thread who mentioned running less speed and more bulk since it outspeeds relevant mons by a nice little bit anyway without max speed has got me intrigued, I might take a look at those speed tiers and play around with it, add more to hp and take off some speed. I guess I would only really need to make sure I outspeed Chomp.

I'm really liking Freeze Dry, it OHKO'd the one Gastrodon I've faced and it would have otherwise really annoyed my team. Between Hail chip damage and Blizzard/FD hitting some key threats this season, I've found myself using Ninetales much more offensively than others might expect. People expect it to just set screens and die, so I find myself in positions where it's quite advantageous to just go for the throat instead of hitting the AV button every time. Sash helps with that too. I tried out Life Orb for a short time, but missed having that guaranteed survival of things like a Celesteela Heavy Slam. Speaking of the steel waifu, it's quite nice to have a Celesteela behind an Aurora Veil, especially in Celesteela mirrors where both sides have a fire move.

I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone mention Gigalith at all. I haven't gotten the chance to test it extensively myself, but isn't the Sandstorm effect pretty good?

HOLY

FUCK

MAGNETON IS SO GOOD

Magneton @ Eviolite
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 4 HP / 4 Def / 212 SpA / 36 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Protect

TRY THIS SHIT OUT

>survives all EQs with a bulu
>lele has a 2% chance to 2HKO with psychic
>survives bulu's superpower
>if paired with a rain mon, survives all fire moves except marowak's flare blitz, and that's a roll
>shits all over celesteela

my team is magneton/wide guard sash pelipper/soak LO golduck/scarf bulu/bulky dog/AV horse

it's so fun to use and none of the other steel types can do shit back besides, like, hammer arm metagross or fire blast celesteela (neither of which OHKO, and you outspeed and 2HKO them both back)

>>30563682
alternative team: magneton/sitrus lapras with roar/bulu/koko/either arcanine + mudsdale or marowak + krookodile

roar lapras shits on sun, rain, and TR teams, it's pretty great

>>30563682
kind of interested in this since I'm using a pelipper also, what good counters are there for this so I can see if my team and work around them?

>>30559942
I agree with you, but it's literally only Celesteela that is broken. All the other UBs range from okay to utter shit.

So I got a Thick Club and definitely want to use Alola Marowak. I was also thinking of using Gyarados (synergy with lighting rod), Alola Ninetales (for Aurora Veil) and Porygon 2 (for Trick Room/Blizzard). Not really sure on the last two slots, though.

Any other members to suggest in addition (or instead, if my ideas sound lackluster).

I'm loving mandibuzz, pseudo fast taunt, tailwind and foul play with decent bulk even on a fairy+electric infested metagame it's pulling wonders for me.

The fact that you can run some atk EVs and do z dark with foul play is the biggest selling point over Murkrow, although I do miss Haze Against meme teams.

Anyone got the same luck as me running mandibuzz?

>>30563807
The team doesn't really have anything to hit a well played goodra with besides ice beams from golduck and strong mudsdale neutral hits. It completely cockblocks bulu and arcanine as well.

>>30563682
steel types ruining the meta since gen 2
fuck off

File: Screen Shot 2016-12-06 at 2.45.53 PM.png (101KB, 370x505px) Image search: [Google]

101KB, 370x505px

How many failed gimmicks do you have so far lads?

>>30563854
Looks decent so far, I've played around with all those mons except Porygon and found them quite solid. I think you should add another mon that benefits my Trick Room and something that can fire off a single target Ground type move like Groundium Z Krook, Groundium Z Chomp, or Mudsdale. Come to think of it, Mudsdale also like TR. It's a mon that I think looks good on paper with an Assault Vest, but I don't see it being used despite its bulk, a move that's much better than EQ, and very high speed under Trick Room.

Gonna finish off my dex. What natures to catch Tapu Lele and Fini with?
>>30563682
This is neat.

Why is Arcanine so used?
Also why Porygon2?

>>30564042
my guess being intimidate and eviolite

>>30564042
arcanine is the only good defensive fire type in a meta that's already short on fire types. Intimidate's always good as well

porygon2's just a really bulky trick room setter like cresselia was, but porygon2's usually more offensively inclined since it doesn't have cress's great support movepool

File: tmp_raindrops keep falling on my head-803091053.gif (365KB, 500x275px) Image search: [Google]

365KB, 500x275px

>>30564020
kek

How do you even get a Hidden Ability Garchomp in SM yet?

>>30564029
Awesome, thanks for the suggestions. All three of those seem good, but I have a Garchomp almost trained up so I'll probably try that first.

>>30564032
I'd say Timid and Modest are really the only natures for Lele. I'm gonna piggy back off this question and ask about natures for all the tapus in general.

I have Sun and Moon, so I can get 2 of each tapu. Lele is easy, one Timid, one Modest (I guess I should go for HP Fire too). It's the others that aren't so cut and dry.

Timid with HP Ice for Koko seems pretty intuitive, but assuming it gets actual physical moves someday from tutors or something, I'm not sure if I should grab a Jolly or Naive one for my other Koko?

Fini can benefit from a Modest nature, but the other one should be a bulky nature. Is Bold or Calm better?

Likewise, Adamant is a must on Bulu, but if I had to pick one of the bulky natures for a tank set for my other Bulu, is Impish or Careful better for this mon in competitive?

Is there any way to make Instruct backfire? Or is the only option taunting?
Also if a pokemon is encored, are they forced to use the encored move if Instructed?

>>30564243
you could always just catch them later, as you actually need them

>>30564221
No problem, happy to help. Can't go wrong with the king.

>>30564259
This is what I'm doing. I did the UB's to finish the plot (catching HP Ice Xurkitree was a pain in the ass), but I'm just leaving the Tapus be until I'm ready to actually use them.

>>30550729
They could do so much with Unowns and their background. What if every gen had region exclusive Unowns that are involved in some sort of lore to the region? It could be a parallell to how linguistics and languages evolve and adapt/are adopted by areas around a region.
To answer your question Braviary and Talonflame might be for you.

File: 1456857443660.jpg (37KB, 794x794px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 794x794px

>>30564205
I have been living in Haina desert for 3 days. Haven't seen one yet

>>30564243
Timid/Modest for Lele, obviously.
Timid and Hasty for Koko because honestly physical Koko (until it gets some decent moves) is fucking trash.
Both of those sound good for Fini, but definitely pick a Modest one.
And honestly I've only seen Adamant Bulus because it's kind of a waste to go defensive with it. At best you can go for Brave 0 speed for your second one in case you need it.

>>30555792
If it ain't broke don't fix it I reckon.

>>30564359
Why Hasty over Naive?

Do people run ANinetails? Perfect blizzards doesn't seem like a bad idea in a meta with not too many Ice resistors.

How useful does AV bewear seem?

>>30564394
Yeah and fucking with weather is a positive as well.

>>30564387
Either works I suppose. Probably better Naive now that I think about it.

>>30564321
I should have some leftovers if you want? Jolly, HA in Beast Balls. No egg moves though, I was too lazy to teach them again to my Garchomp.

>>30564454
Aight, I heard Naive is preferred since most priority moves are physical, but there isn't much priority being thrown around these days anyway. I'll go with Naive.

>>30564394
I'll direct you to my earlier post here>>30562861
I definitely recommend Freeze Dry over Moonblast. The relevant things that resist Ice resist Fairy too, FD gets you around Wide Guard, and most importantly, it's fun to nuke Gyarados, Pelipper, and the occasional Gastrodon.

>>30564507
jesus christ, yes please; HA cleffa in return ok?

>>30564438
I just ran the calcs and it is not that impressive.

It can barely avoid being 2HKO by tapu koko

>>30564438
I tried it for a bit. Ice Punch is surprisingly helpful, but even with AV it's special bulk is poor, and it has trouble putting out a lot of neutral damage. It makes for a good wincon if you deal with the opponent's special attackers but it didn't work well for my team.

>>30552855
>implying Sneaky Pebbles exist in Doubles
But yeah, it's not spectacular at all. First Impression is fun do.

>>30564540
I'd like that. Wanna trade over GTS to make it faster?

anybody playing? I'd love to spectate a match or two.

>>30564591
sure; my OT is peter. lvl1 female HA cleffa on its way.

>>30564702
I think I got you. It's already pentaperfect, so it just needs to be trained.

>>30564394
>with not too many Ice resistors.
Arcanine, A-Wak, Torkoal are everywhere with the occasional Araquanid.

And of the neutral stuff out there Lele, Oranguru, Gyarados, Pory2 are all so fat on the special side Blizzard is like a pin prick to them.

Does Bewear have any real use in a VGC/Doubles environment? In general I like it's big bulk with Fluffy and it hits like a train. Guessing Leftovers is the item of choice?

>>30564507
Do have another one by any chance? Doesn't need any DVs. I can do that by myself.

>>30564820
yeah I got it; thanks a bunch. Well shit, my cleffa wasn't penta perfect though; I have a 4 star treasure hunt that should show up as my recommended store. Hopefully you can use that too

>>30564826
torkoal is rarely on any teams anymore

>>30564826
Speaking of Porygon2, what are the most reliable ways to kill that thing? I've yet to face one, but it looks annoying.

>>30564912
really? How come?
>>30564439
True, but isn't it on the faster side for weather spawners? I'd think that might be a minus, and you'd have to switch into it to take advantage.

>>30564927
Most obvious is Knock Off from a A-Muk then go in for the kill.

Other than that I think simple brute force and doubling up on it does the job. Pory2 usually can't afford to run Protect as it much prefers Recover and it exposes itself to being doubled up on.

>>30565012
I don't run Muk, so I guess I'll just smack it with Bulu's hammer and something else. It seems Wood Hammer does a good bit more than SE Superpower, now I'm not even sure why I'm running that move on my Band set.

>>30565012
A-Muk is one of my favorite mons this gen, what's a good partner for it's HA?

>>30564889
I actually do have a few other leftovers. Put something really shitty on the GTS and let me know what it is/your name. If anyone else needs one post on wfg so I can stop derailing the thread.

>>30564893
Don't worry senpai. I suffer from balltism so I wouldn't have used it either way. I just like to help.

>>30565012
Knock off seems like a really good boon this season.

>>30565108
That's only limited by your own creativity.

However you don't have to go out of your way to abuse it, one thing some people fail to realize is something as simple as sacrificing a Intimidator also works as it re-activates.

>>30565105
It's simple math.

Superpower on 2x SE is just simply 120BP x 2 = 240BP

Wood Hammer is 120BP + STAB + Grass Terrain boost = 240BP except due to the way the boosts stack it's actually a little more.

Superpower's usage is for stuff that resist Wood Hammer quite frankly and also weak to Fighting. Because in most scenarios a simple Wood Hammer is safer.

could someone post the OP for the treads that wasn't posted here?

>>30565244
It's a lot rarer in this format so it's definitely worth it to use.

>>30565244
Knock Off has always been good.

The actual problem is like nothing at all learns it in the Aloladex, Mandibuzz and Muk are like the only STAB users of it

>>30565167
>I actually do have a few other leftovers. Put something really shitty on the GTS and let me know what it is/your name. If anyone else needs one post on wfg so I can stop derailing the thread.

IGN: DANIEL
MON: Grimar female lvl 6.

thanks in advance

Do PC/IC winners ever just reuse their teams for worlds, or are they forced to come up with new ones?

>>30565620
There's no rule on reusing teams. Usually their teams get made quite public, so chaging them usually is a good idea.

whoever makes the new thread please don't forget the OP text

>>30547130
is there another way for having eggmoves without breeding?

>>30566288
No, that's why they're called egg moves.

>>30566307
the best way for leveling cyndaquill to lv 58?

>>30566376
Pelago, E4 runs

>>30566376
Go to the move relearner, you can teach it eruption at any level.

does terrain remove each other when the next comes out, just like weather?
Are trick room/magic/wonder room in the same category?

>>30566450
Yes to the first.

No idea on the second but a viable strategy is making a trick room inside a trick room to reset everything. Just like in a certain chinese cartoon that gets referenced everywhere.

>>30564985

> really? How come?
because the gimmick sucks and you can beat it easily..

>>30566526
Thanks.
And as for the second question I sort of had it answered myself.

how to not lost vs oranguru + torkoal + lilligant?

>>30566526
He's talking about seinfeld if anyone is wondering

>>30566548
>Torkoal
>drought+ Heat Wave/ Lava Plume
>gimmick
here's a (you) for making me reply.

>>30566560
lapras, your own weather mon in the back, or wide guard

>>30566560
It's pretty easy, just don't be a fucking scrub.

is mudsdale the only strong EQ user that isn't weak to fairy in this meta?

>>30566656
mudsdale should be using high horsepower to get around grassy terrain, not EQ

>>30566710
Why not both.

>>30566759
because high horsepower, close combat, rock move, and heavy slam @ AV is its best set

File: 1478452230927.png (72KB, 500x442px) Image search: [Google]

72KB, 500x442px

Hi again from last year, I'm a VGC cloner

Here's what I've got so far:
http://pastebin.com/hrDrmT8r

I'm looking for the following to help distribute:
>drizzle pelipper with wide guard
>modest swift swim golduck with soak
>intimidate arcanine with whatever
>intimidate gyarados
>stamina mudsdale
>celesteela
>xurkitree
>timid HP ice nihilego
>tapu fini
>timid raichu

Unfortunately I can't change IVs or natures of anything yet, but I can do some basic EV spreads and level things to 100 quickly.

Let me know if you want to help! I'll be able to distribute these mons into these threads soon.

I think I just thought of a devilish trick that might work better than just a gimmick. I have to wonder though, do people use Instruct for Smeargle?

>>30566971
I have a xurkitree with HP ice but it is timid unfortunately

>>30567030
instruct can work but is not common. smeargles run max speed with speed boosting nature so it can't instruct anything slower than it, and i fyou choose to bring moody it might get a speed boost and then it really won't work

>>30567041
Will I have to level and bottle cap it myself or does it already have good IVs? Has it been EV trained?

>>30567069
I haven't done anything to it. I have bottle caps and I can EV train it within 1 day.

>>30567088
Does xurk need fancier spreads than just 252/252s? those are really easy to do

I just have a powersaves, no pkhex unfortunately

>>30566971
>level things to 100 quickly
HOW?

>>30567067
I was thinking using it with a scarf.

File: xurkitree is real.gif (2MB, 300x327px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 300x327px

XURKITREE IS MY FAVORITE NEW POKEMON how the fuck do I support it? I know it's not that great but I want it to work for my team.

File: ExpGraphLv100.png (51KB, 1110x810px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 1110x810px

>>30567138
Powersaves has codes to set the experience of a mon. So I can just set it to whatever it normally has at level 100 (depends on the mon), then take it to the hyper training guy with my cloned bottle caps.

>>30567140
The problem is that you need to be SLOWER than your field partner anon

>>30567140
>>30567067
>>30567030
Oh I'm sorry, I'm retarded and didn't know how the move worked. Please ignore.

File: 206677_10150159778430040_825960039_6656147_7439718_n.jpg (48KB, 444x502px) Image search: [Google]

48KB, 444x502px

>getting a double freeze

I'm sorry dude, you probably doubled up on my Bulu and would have won

>>30567171
>>30566971
Good on you for wanting to help, but why not just PKhex? It's operational for 7th gen right?