Ah, what a nice and healthy meta

Why the Porygons

>>30520533
Z-conversion into Ghost/Electric for added power with Tapu Koko with only one weakness, Ghost to counter/check Tapu Lele and Marowak

>>30520533
Eviolite

>>30520533
Z-conversion gives +1 to all stats

>>30520533
Eviolite + Trace

>>30520496
Will it change when Pokemon Bank is updated?

>>30520496
That's honestly not too bad compared to past vgc top 8 teams

>>30520496
>All these shitty Gyarados

Cucks. The lot of them.

Even a bigger cuck than that one kid who got a job at an Asylum and could've just given crazy bitch Tami the D to calm her homicidal ass down.

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VGC is a meme.

>>30520717
yeah this

>>30520781
2008, 2009, and 2014 seem the healthiest.

Everything else seems like downright a copy/paste team from Smogon.

>>30520496
The 4 most used are only on 6/8 teams. Could be worse.

>>30520496
that's always how pokemon meta are.

>>30520567
>>30520650
>Eviolite
Z-Conversion means you don't get to hold Eviolite for fuck's sake

>>30520496
Oh wow it's like people want to win so they use the best options!

>>30520496
Why Persian?

>>30520869
Eviolite means you don't get to hold Normalium Z for fuck's sake

>>30520781
based Sejun

>>30520561
>>30520570
>Z-conversion into Ghost/Electric for added power with Tapu Koko
literally not a single person is doing your fucking retarded singles cheese strat

>>30520650
Literally not a single fucking person is using trace over download you goddamn idiot.

>>30520533
Bulkiest pokemon of all time, has speed control, can beat most in the format pokemon 1v1, albeit at a slow pace

>>30520893
Fur Coat + Snarl and other shit too prob

Why does everyone use the same mons?
On my endgame team that I'll use for online battles is all varied with interesting Pokes.
I don't expect to win a lot, but at least I'll use a nice team.

>>30520893
I'd assume because it has Fluffy, great speed, and surprising coverage. Could also be fore technician

>>30520561
>>30520570
>>30520869
Z conversion is only being used on PorygonZ. The Porygon 2 in the OP picture are all using eviolite.

>>30520561
>>30520570
>>30520650
Why the fuck do people who have no clue about competitive battling feel the need to comment on it?

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>>30520496

Damn straight it's a healthy meta.

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>>30520930
>Literally not a single fucking person is using trace over download you goddamn idiot.
>Using Download and getting worthless attack boosts when you could be tracing intimidate, beast boost, fur coat, rough skin, and a host of other things that are actually useful

sick meme, dude; did you come up with it all by yourself?

>>30520879
... that's not the point you fucking retard, holy shit. Nobody is saying "wow all these players are gay, fuck them." He literally opened a thread and said "wow healthy meta." The point isn't "these players are all gay." He literlaly said his point literally in the literal sentence you literal retard.

>>30520950
Fur Coat =/= Fluffy
also
>special technician users

>>30520988
Good luck doing any of that in DOUBLES, SHITSTICK

>"i'm going to accidentally extend the enemy's terrain and help him win the battle :)"

SMART MOVE CHAP

>>30521009
fuck I meant Fur Coat. Keep getting the names confused. And yeah technician isn't great on it but I've seen some people trying to make it work

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>I'll shitpost with this cherrypicked image to make it look like a whole metagame is just what my cherrypicked picture shows

Choke in a thousand dicks OP.

>>30520958
Yeah I was thinking the same thing

No idea why these idiots on /vp/ try to talk about competitive shit when they have no idea what they are talking about

Fucking morons. If someone thinks there is any reason to use Porygon2 without eviolite they just dont understand the game or have no common sense

>>30520893
Fur Coat + Snarl + Fake Out
Foul Play is also useful

No one uses fucking technician

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Seriously, kill yourself.

And so do everyone else who does the same shit as him.

Kill yourselves.

And while we are at that people who have literally zero knowledge or idea about competitive but still comment about shit they know nothing about should kill themselves too.

>>30521050
What is this?

>>30521029
>accidentally extend the enemy's terrain
That's not how terrain works unless you mean that it already ended. Then the word you're looking for is "reset" the enemy's terrain

>>30521050
there is zero context in your image

>>30521050
>>30521050
>pelipper and torkoal
wew lad

>>30521029
>have never played pokemon before in my life, watch me shitpost!

I'm SRing Tapu Bulu right now. Is Bold Nature, Perfect HP, Attack, Def, and Speed worth keeping or am I resetting again?

>>30521079
>>30521117
The results of another premier challenge.
www.vgclive.cl/tournament.php?t=16-12-000141

Baracat
Politoed alongside Baracat
Sonichu
Le Monkey Face + Double Weather with Torkoal and Pelipper
Gigalith, Flygon
Lele + Pheromosa meme lead
Crobat, Garfield
Ninetales and Frosslass HAIL BEING USED

BUT HURR THERE'S NO VARIETY HAHA HEALTHY META AMIRITE GAIZ

>>30521050
>Cherry picked
>It's full of Tapu and UBs

>>30521140
>Bold

No, go Adamant

>>30520941

Everyone doesn't use the same mons, only the best players do. The top teams are a representation of the objective best mons competitively they're not a representation of everyone's preferred mons

>>30521077
Why is Eevee good all of a sudden?

>>30521140
Tapu Bulu is a pure wallbreaker, You should go adamant

>>30521140
>Bold
Reset it immediately. Adamant is the nature you should run.

>>30521154
Well, they're legal and they're super good. Of course everyone will use them. I may not like it, but it's no surprise

>>30521176
Baton Pass + Extreme Evoboost memeteam.

>>30521151
>www.vgclive.cl/tournament.php?t=16-12-000141
>Chileans

fuck off

>>30520893
>>30520938
>>30521009
He has fake out,taunt and foul play plus parting shot, makes him a really solid lead mon with focus sash

>>30521176
Z move + baton pass

>>30520496
What happened to Oranguru/Torkoal trick room?

>>30521029
>download
>80% of the mons in the picture have higher special defense than defense meaning it's going to get a physical attack boost

holy shit, you're a fucking idiot

>>30521196
non an argument

>>30521176
Extreme Evoboost pass.

>>30521154
So unless there's no Tapus and UB at all it doesn't count? Fuck off. Stop moving the goalpost.

>>30521162
>>30521187
>>30521189

Sweet, thanks for the help.

>>30521029
>>30520930
Everyone uses trace retard

>>30521226

Paras used Wide Guard!

So are more people playing doubles than smogon singles now?

Is that game freaks goal?

>>30520496
>braviary
Fucking when!? That is a change I am madly in favor of.

>>30521319
None of the top4 teams in OP's pic use wide guard

>>30521050
>>30521079
>>30521117
>>30521154
His image is from a small PC in chile, a place in south america. If you've never played dota 2 or been to south america, it is a place full of subhumans who are stuck permanently in a stunted mental state typical of a 16-20 year old. Nothing south americans produce carries any relevance and those results don't mean anything because top 8 in chile is still bottom 1,000 at any real tournament.

>>30521350
Defiant.

>>30521360
>>>/pol/

>>30521230
>>30521262
He's right, you know.

>>30521077
Another context-less image from a shitty small-time PC in argentina, another shithole country. Fucking argentinians can't even beat extreme evoboost cheese. What a fucking joke.

Watch what happens when these people attempt to go to london or any bigtime tourney.

>>30521176
It's not. It has a BST of 325. It's shit. It just got access to a scrub-defeating gimmick tactic that only beats noobs. How you could lose to an extreme evoboost baton pass team after facing it one time alreayd and learning the gimmick once is fucking beyond me; but argentina is in south america after all and I've come to learn that it is not possible to exaggerate how filthy and stupid south americans are.

>>30521380
K bud, show me a top player at a worlds of your choice who hails from any country below the equator.

>>30521462
Sebastian Escalante from Argentina
Matias Roa from Chile

>>30521462
Pretty sure some Argentinian guy made top cut at last worlds.

inb4 hurr it was a shitty meta so it doesn't count.

>>30521496
You made those shitskin names up

>>30521462
Hector Salamanca from Mexico

>>30520496
arminming is based

>>30521574
>Mexico
>south of the equator

>tournament for a brand new meta that hasn't developed properly yet
>people using a boring reliable team
Stop the fucking presses, this always happens at the start

>>30521799
But I need to shitpost on /vp/ for easy (yous)!

>>30521262
You are fucking stupid the P2s in the top cut were Download

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>>30521574
His Bronzong with explosion was a huge surprise.

>>30521738
The U.S. treats everything South of them as South of the Equator.

>alola marowak

am I missing something?

What set were people using on p2?

>>30522451
yes
alolan cubone

>>30522451
Lightning Rod gives it a free switch in and if you predict it well, it let's you protect Gyarados or other Water/Flying types. It also cock blocks Choice Spec'd/Scarf'd YA BOI and Tapu Koko.

And can one shot Celesteela and Tapu Bulu and cripple Tapu Lele.

Plus it's bulky as fuck and with Thick Club you get to give it double it's attack stat.

>>30522451
stops Koko/Xurkitree electric spam, beats Torkoal TR, beats Celesteela etc

>>30520781
I really wish they would just retcon Cresselia and the Genies to be in the same category of legendary as Mew and the others. That way we'd never have to see them again

Why do they allow legendaries? A lot of these same team meta problems would be mitigated if they would just ban legendaries. Most of them are hacked anyway unless you're that autistic to reset for natures.

>>30520496
Braviary?
did he get a buff?

>>30522588
then we'd just have the same 6 best non legends on every team

>>30522598
No but it has Defiant and it's easier to justify putting on a team now that Talonflame sucks

>>30522541
I think they should just prevent any category of Legendaries in general.

It will force at least some ingenuity until the next staple mon occurs, but at least right now is almost as healthy as 2014.

>>30522588
>>30522614
Or at least a 1 legend per team rule

I used to think that idea was retarded but there are too many legendaries nowadays

>>30522641

Have they ever changed the rules in the middle of a season before?

>>30522588
With a Synchronize poke and the fact that legends have three 31 IVs guaranteed, its not actually too bad to reset for a good legit one.

Unless you want a specific Hidden Power, those are definitely hacked.

>>30522686
I think they banned Dark Void in one of the gen 5 years, but that was because gen 5 sleep was busted as hell

>>30522701
Even Hidden Power is easy now since you can just get any shit IVs and hyper train it. Took me about 10 resets to get a Timid Ice Xurkitree

>>30522641
That would sort of make some sense.

But I feel like outright preventing them would be fair.

I am not saying they are unkillable. Even though I'm just starting, I read up on the VGC from the last few official threads that the only thing I really dislike is the staleness that occurs which from what I could tell, Gen IV didn't suffer so much from, but Gen V literally enabled it.

>>30521050
Chile's VGC community became cancer since X&Y's release.

>>30522899
That's why lots of veterans left the game. Rata as fuck nowadays.

>>30522701
I've tried soft resetting for a correct Hidden Power, way too much hours spent

>>30522355
To be fair, they're basically identical culturally. It's kind of eerie, frankly.

Is my bro Arcanine really good enough to rate in VGC?

>>30522614
I agree. Whenever you gove people the option to use any Legendary (E.g. Landorus, Thundurus, Cresselia, Lati@s, the Beasts, etc.), VGC goes to complete shit.

>>30523212
Soccer, soccer and more soccer.

>>30523228
Yes it's always been good

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>>30520496
It's always been that way since it's inception in Japan.

This are the top cut teams during the 1997 Nationals

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>>30523304
part 2

>>30523284
Sucks that I hate doubles then, but at least it's good somewhere.

Absolute dogshit in singles, bottom-tier UU. Wish they'd just let it drop to RU already.

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>>30520496
>pokemon meta
>not a mess every shape imaginable
Pokemon meta will never be balanced

>>30523304
Nerf Starmie.

>>30522761
Hyper Training doesn't affect Hidden Power though

>>30523391
t. gengar cuck

>>30523419
Which is what makes it easier

>>30523419
I havn't played comp since gen 4

does anyone even use HP after the unnecessary nerf?

>>30520570
>>30520869
You don't have a clue about competitive. Stop posting

>>30521050
Why is ninetails and froslass combo even used? I thought /vp/ said hail team socks?

whoa shit what is my bro krookodile doing there

is there a wiki where i can check the moves and stuff for VGC events?

>>30524794
krookodile is the only intimidate user that also fucks up a-marowak/a-muk (arcanine with WoW can also fuck up a-muk but whatever)
there are resources that can help you but really you should just try to git gud

>>30524794
Krook is just a mini Landorus, Ground type Intimidate user with Earthquake and Rock Slide

Too bad it can't have Knock Off but STAB Crunch still does the job

>>30524856
So do u run adamant, max hp and atk krookodile?

Anyone got moves, natures and ev spreads on those meta teams?

I'm too much of a faggot to make a team myself and would rather use someone else's.

>>30524707
yeah they sucks

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Ideal EV spread and movet set for Drampa?

>>30520893
>>30520938
>>30521066
>>30521197
Not to mention Fur Coat Alolan Muk is a huge physical tank.

If the meta allowed all megas and disallowed all legendaries, would we really be so bad off?
Yes I know there are plenty of legedaries that are worthless, but as far as blanket bans go wouldn't that be a better target?

>>30525530
That's kind of like what VGC14 was, the only legendary used was Zapdos. There's mixed opinions on that meta though

>>30520496
The game has never been 'healthy' from a competitive stand point.
And won't be.
Ever.
Half the gameplay is based around or is heavily influenced by luck.
Will you hit? Will you crit?
Between that and the fact that 10% of the mons simply have twice the stats of the others, it's not hard to understand why the 'meta' is shit.
It's a PVE game, with occasional pvp against your friends.

>>30520496
Is this the vgc double?

>all this marowak bro

Yus

>>30525419
Drampa @ Life Orb
Ability: Berserk
Level: 50
EVs: 196 HP / 60 Def / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Hyper Voice
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower
- Protect

>>30525916
> IV's 0Atk/ 0Spe

I'm new to competitive Pokemon, but why the 0Atk IVs? Spe I get, because Trick Room. But Atk? Sure you don't need the Atk, but is there any harm in having one with IVs in Atk?

>>30525944
Less confusion/foul play damage.

It's a pretty meaningless thing, but in a game where coin flips decide games all the time it's a good thing to min/max as much as you can.

>>30520533
Eviolite + psych up to take boosts from Z-moves onto itself. Can spam blizzard in doubles.

>noob in pvp
>start free battles
>everyone use topkek, champ, gyarados, ub
>they otuspeed everything
So they are must have in every team? That's not what I expect from pokemon pvp to be honest

>>30527682
Not a must have, but solid on their own. This is the early stages of a meta, where everyone is using what they believe are the strongest. From here aren't next few minths, anti-meta decks are going to rise until a lot of people are seeing so much of the anti-meta strategy they build teams to counter both, and so on.

>>30527834
*here and the next few months

>>30521077
>Dima games
Fuck you porteño puto

>>30527834
> he honestly believes this

Look, this is the best the Alola Dex has to offer Anon. Once they update the rules again to allow national Sex mons it's back to the Genies.

Pokemon will never be balanced, and you will always see the strongest mons being used.

VGC should mix it up and ban legendaries for a year.

>>30527834
>decks

>>30527682
Pokemon PVP is literally a game about who outspeeds who.

>>30521077
> Clefairy
wat

> mandibuzz
nigga what

>Pelpipper

Hahahahaha

> Parasect
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Wow, argentina. Step it up. Would love to see them get REKT at worlds.

>>30528016
people complaining about diversity, then there's this faggot shitting on players who actually tries to use diverse teams and creative plays.

keep it up, /vp/

>>30520496
>Implying Smogon meta was ever healthy past gen 4.

>>30528049
> /vp/ is one person

I never complained about diversity. I'm just laughing at shit players using shitmons. That's all. I will be honest and say I completely forgot about Toilet Pelican geting Drizzle, but other than that gimmick it's still a shitmon. It's useless aside from bringing rain.

>>30528334
It's the best available user of Drizzle currently available. It learns Hurricane as a strong second STAB and Wide Guard and Tailwind for support. Politoad is much worse considering its best supporting moves are not available due to no move tutors.

It also got a buff in stats this gen. It's no way a shitmon.

Eviolite Clefairy has also been a thing since the start of last gen, I think?

Honestly you sound like a singles player who knows shit about doubles.

>>30528486
>Eviolite Clefairy has also been a thing since the start of last gen, I think?
Before that I remember some girl using a Evolite Clefairy to some success in '15 I think it was? Placed quite well in a few tournaments using it as disruption and a redirecter.

>>30528577
2015 is last gen, though, but you're correct. Redirection, fairy typing + only viable user of Friend Guard are what make people use it.

>>30520781
Sejun-sama <3

>>30520907
Yeah, based Sejun and that Magmar of his...

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>>30520781
>The healthiest VGC meta were the ones without legendaries

Who would have guessed

>>30520781
>VGC 2015
Fucking disgusting.

>>30523482
Only if they really need the type coverage or just want to surprise their opponents.

>>30521077
>>30521050

>cropping out the nations these top8s come from

top kek, none of these team comps will make it past top 64

>>30521077
>Parasect
LMAO

>>30520496
I'm surprised at the lack of cancoranguru which is on 90% of the teams on battle spot

>>30529721
>growlithe used roar!

>>30522686
they only change the rules if glitches are found

>>30521574
>>>>>>>>>Hector Salamanca
Yet all these retards are still lapping up the bait.

>>30529721
>not playing singles
ishygddt

>>30523335
Pharaoh confirmed.

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>>30520781

>This is the only Bug type to ever get on a VGC champion's team

Seriously?

Why the fuck do they still allow legendaries and ultra beasts in this? Competitive meta is becoming cancerous

>>30520781
My eyes hurt at some point looking at this chart and at some, eased. Legendaries are cancer themselves, I was wondering Legendary statuses, be it Mythical or whatever, should be banned completely. Have them more relevant in-lore and as a collection only. They should start buffing up shitmons instead.

Legendaries truly are cancers in any metas.

>>30529844
and ludicolo is the only grass type, mamoswine the only ice type, gardevoir the only fairy type (rip xerneas) and mega gengar the only ghost type, what's ya point lad

>>30529948
>>30529844
I need more common Mons, not cancerous Legends ;_;

>>30529948
oh wait amoongus is grass type innit, well the others still stand

>>30529859
>>30529883
You do realize that the only thing that would change is people would find the next best thing and abuse that, right? Besides, Tapus aint Legendary.

>Not limit of 1 or 2 sub-legendaries per team

What did they mean by this?

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>>30520496
Yeah this gen VGC is way better than any single formats.

What nature for a Xurkitree and a Celesteela ?

>>30531390
When isn't it? Singles has always been, and always will be, completely and utterly trash.

It's an unpopular opinion, but I'd even like the main games to start having Double Battles as the default format, like the Gamecube games.

>>30520496
Why all this Marowak?

I'm a clueless Pve only player

>>30531755
3 immunites, one of them (lightning rod) straight up sucks up all electric types. If you're playing doubles with a pelliper it's damn hard to do anything about it.

Is arcanine goodbye and if so what set is he running?

>>30531898
Good now* fucking auto correct

>>30523212
this is a really gold bait in /int/

>>30531755
It is literally the only Fire type worth using that can kill Celesteela and it automatically renders almost every elec user almost useless.

You won't believe how fucking hard it is to fire something which can reliably kill the Lunarian, your choices are basically Arcanine, Torkoal or Alolawak. Arcanine and Alolawak are the only non-gimmicky ones.

>>30520686
Yes.
Then everyone will run Landorus-T as well.
Nintendo needs to get more liberal with their bans in tournaments.
Metas like this could be solved by banning some of the Pokemon that won the previous tournament.
Imagine what would happen just by banning Tapus from this.

>>30520496
Where was this?

>>30524872
Look at these top teams

From that figure out what attacks you're likely to take and want to survive (Gyarados Waterfall, Tapu Bulu Horn Leech, Lele Moonblast maybe) and what you want to kill (Muk, Marowak, Celesteela) and EV/Nature to do those things.

>>30520781
post the 16 worlds teams

>>30521170
no, there are myraids of people copying the pro teams to try and win. The pros have a huge sway in the meta.

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>>30520781
>Empoleon is my favorite Pokemon
>Tfw he is the only starter to be a world champion

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Any suggestions on this team? It did good till 1660 or so, after that the win ratio became 50%.

http://pastebin.com/dL77uWDk

Bulu comes out rarely because of its typing, but when it comes out it's quite bulky and kills what I want him to. The z-move oneshots Oranguru.

Tapu Fini is my usual lead since nobody expects to be oneshotted by her. SpA is just enough to oneshot Garchomp without the weakness policy boost.
A noteworthy comment is that she managed to tank a terrainless (the terrain was on but I had the Aurora Veil) Tapu Lele psychic while being at 50% HP.

Ninetales is another lead, it outspeed Nihilego and mostly anything that isn't scarfed which is good since my main objective is to setup Aurora Veil. I don't run focus sash because once I setup I'm almost granted to survive. My matches often go past the five turns, that's why I have the clay.

Araquanid is just a Wolfey set, hits hard, tanks on the special side. Quite straightforward. It's mostly here because I hate Torkoal and anytime I try to remove it I get greeted by like 5 Torkoal teams in a row. The game knows.

Arcanine is an utility tank that can remove dying mons with expeed and hit relatively hard if needed with the z-move. EVs are generic.

Standard Wolfey Marowak, nothing to say here.


My problem is mainly trick room teams, torkoal and the fact that I don't really have much offensive presure. I don't know if I can modify this thing or just go back to the drawing board.
Inb4 0 replies.

>>30520781
>The absolute madman who went against a rain team meta with a sand team and a shedninja

>>30520496
I gotta have a good meal in 4th place Janh

>>30535867
Have been looking to try out A-Ninetales myself, what would you consider running with it, other than your lineup? Any particular cores that come to mind?

>>30536221
Some people just run it max SpA with focus sash since despite the low stats a Blizzard to the face always hurts.

>>30530016

that would be fine. I personally hate legendaries because it ruins the lore in my head that this is a real battle when everyone has pokemon that are supposed to be one of a kind.

At least if everyone was using politoed or something I can just pretend it's coincidence without ruining my immersion in the story

>>30535867
I am really not educated enough but perhaps you could consider Pelipper? It brings rain, wich immediatley shuts down Torkoal. Gyarados brings offensive pressure and Intimidate, and Porygon2 might be a wierd anti TR tech by giving it TR to shut it off. I did the latter when fighting a friend who used a TR team with an imposter Ditto. offcourse, this was me and a friend bullshitting around so take this with a grain of salt.

Perhaps your team could benefit from some slower mons who could utilize TR once the enemy sets it up?

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>>30520740
> Gyarados
> Shitty

One of the best fucking Pokemon ever. 10/10 would us every Pokemon game I play. You either have shit taste or you're a stupid contrarian

>>30537957
Gyarados is the primary argument I have against ever picking the Water starter.

>>30537957
Red Gyarados will always be one of my favorite sub-plots in the entire franchise.

>Cool Pokémon and great sparkling addition to team if you want
>One of the only times a Shiny is encountered in the main game
>Small-scale drama rather than "END OF THE WORLD" shenanigans, but it still feels important to the characters and Region involved

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>>30538124
Same here. I uesd it in my Sun playtrough too. Caught myself a Karp and made it love me in Refresh for that Xp boost and let it mooch Xp trough the Xp share untill it evolved.

>>30538258
I agree. I have the one from HG/SS in a Lure Ball waiting for me to transfer it from bank. It's lv100 and I already have a gold cap set aside for it to Hyper train.

Fucking love me some Gyarados.

good set up for alolan persian?

>>30520496
>Persian
Explain this to me, I love Persian.

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http://pastebin.com/cZktXwQj

How does this VGC17 team look to y'all? I've had modest success with it. I've been tinkering and switching mons for about two weeks now, and this is the final incarnation I've built around the Koko-Raichu core.

>>30538739
>>30538825
Fur Coat
>Darkinium Z/Focus Sash
>Z-Parting Shot
>Snarl
>Fake Out
>Like, Thunder Wave or some bullshit

>>30539257
Isn't parting shot currently banned for glitching?

>>30538843
>http://pastebin.com/cZktXwQj
> koko/Raichu core

Does this really work? Aren't you in a lot of trouble when an opponent has chomp or something else packing EQ?

>>30539328
Is it? No idea. What's the glitch?

>>30539729
Apparently it disconnects you from your opponent, at least that is what I saw when I was in threads over the weekend.

hey atleast not toxapex

How are they running Gyrados if they are not using a megastone?

>>30539967
waterium z dragon dance

>>30540184
interesting

keep crying and pray to your lord smogon to ban everything while we enjoy our competitions

>>30540184
where can I see their moveset and stats?

>>30521462
>eugenics based on video game skills
guau

>>30539781
yeah but it's not banned on cart

>>30540658
nowhere, learn to make your own sets

>>30520496
> literally half a month old meta
> DURRHURR ITS SHIT BRBRBRBRPPP

Fuck off.
besides:

> Koko
> Lele
> Bulu
> Celesteela
> Garchomp
> Gyarados
> Porygon2
> Alolan Marowak
> Metagross
> Smeargle
> Arcanine
> Krookodile
> Nihilego
> Alolan Muk
> Alolan Persian
> Xurkitree
> FUCKING BRAVIARY

17 different mons used and no two teams are the same.
Stop bitching

>>30539405
Why Focus Miss

>>30520781
Were genies the biggest mistake in pokemon history?

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>Think Alolan Ninetails is just waifu shit
>Find out she isn't just top-tier qt but also top-tier support
>She dies but Aurora Veil let's my team tank for days
>One shot Garchomp leads who are retarded enough to stay
>Destroy Celesteelas who think Leech Seed will do anything after I Will-O-Wisp and have my hail up for days
>Golisopod just sits there and tanks while E-Exit doesn't proc due to Hail

Is this even legal?

Post bank might have better options, but holy fuck do I feel like I cheese most of my wins.

Also, Download Duck or Trace Duck? I run Recover on mines along with Protect just to outstall the stall.

>>30543446
What is NOT a mistake from BW?

>>30543446
Gen V contributed to a lot of problems still plaguing the Pokemon community as whole.

While Gen VI gets a lot of shit, 2014 was one of the healthiest metas in the history of the game.

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>>30525855
Fuck yeah

>>30528016
Do you not play doubles at all? Clefairy is a fucking monster. Parasect is amazing in the rain and it completely fucks over water and electric types. You're an idiot.

>>30528016
>being this much of a mongoloid

Kill yourself

>>30520781
>A meta where Eelektross and Escavelier are viable.

What a time to be alive. What was Eelektross' strategy?

>>30521462

Jesus /pol/ can't you just go back to frogposting?

>>30520781
>that one ? on steven asserloos's team

what did they mean by this?

>>30543490
Oh man I was hoping Ninetales was good. What EVs/nature and moves have you gone for? I know nothing about this shit.

>>30521077
>no toxapex

shit region

>>30520781
>you'll never witness VGC 2014 for the first time again

>>30520496
I feel Tapus and UBs should be banned. They're good so of course everyone is going to use them.

>>30543657
>2014
>healthiest meta
The only people who believe this a) started playing in 2014 or b) have never played VGC seriously.

>>30547224
I agree, we should ban pseudo-legendaries too. They're good so of course everyone is going to use them.

>>30547413
We should ban everything with a BST over 500.

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>>30545507
It was a Gyarados, when she was first making the chart she couldn't find that info though. This is the updated version.

>>30547452
400 or lower is where the TRUE balanced meta begins.

>>30547224
Tapus and UBs (well really only Celesteela) are top threats, but they don't stand so far above the rest that they need to go. No matter what you ban or allow there will always be some team comp that is the overall strongest - doesn't matter if you ban all legends, all pseudolegends, all mons with 500+ BST, whatever. As long as the top mons in the format can be reasonably countered, the meta will be perfectly fine.

>>30543490
Dude don't run protect on p2, you really don't need it and you can make much better use of the moveslot.

>>30545535
Ninetales should run timid nature for sure so it can outspeed Garchomp. I mostly see people run max SpA as well, with the plan being to set up aurora veil then spam blizzard until they get rid of you. Running some bulk could be worthwhile though, maybe enough to live a tapu bulu wood hammer through aurora veil or something.

>>30547452
>>30547506
I think there was briefly an "other metagame" on smogon where everything with a stat above 100 was banned. After some stuff that's still insanely good despite that, like Kingdra and Clefable, were also banned, it was actually pretty fun.