Why.

Raichu is going straight to Ubers anyway.

Can't answer for most of those, but I'm a huge fan of Guzzlord, and I can tell you that the big guy isn't so great in competitive play. He ends up playing as a weaker Zygarde with 4x fairy weakness.

>>30503663
I mean when even Hydreigon is better than it at pretty much everything, then you know your mon isn't amazing.

>Dhelmise and Arrowl didn't make it to OU
>Dhelmise is a superior Arrowl
>Arrowl will root in PU
This isn't happening

>>30503676
Yeah. With some of the theories people have, I hope Guzzlord gets some love and buffs in the sequels.

because decidueye is so good he's getting banned to ubers

>>30503700
>yfw Guzzlord gets ULTRA EVOLUTION that boosts his defenses and gives a good defensive ability

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>>30503640
>no love for wishiwashi

>>30503640
>Aquaranid
>Dhelmise
>Golisopod
>Incineroar
>Silvally
>Whishiwashi

But those are all very good Pokemon, B+ material

my boy Komala made it to OU

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>list of pokemon not getting an NU analysis
>Vikavolt

WHY

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>>30503726
>Golisopod
>Incineroar
>Silvally
>Good
ebin maymay

>>30503771
Why are any of those not B+ material

>>30503726
Golisopod gets double fucked by Stealth Rocks. It's one thing to be fucked by Stealth Rocks, it's another entirely different thing to be DOUBLE fucked by Stealth Rocks.

>>30503786

It's not 4X weak. What do you mean by double fucked?

>>30503807
auto switchout if it brings it down to half

>>30503726
>>30503640
I'm guessing they are mons smogon just assumes are shit. Or showdownfags simply don't use them enough to be OU because they keep spamming Tapus and UBs

>>30503726
Araquanid isn't that great outside of hard-hitting liquidation
Dhelmise's typing isn't that great
Golisopod has emergency exit
Incineroar is slow and not that bulky and has a shit defensive typing
Silvally lacks good moves
Wishiwashi is shit in general

>>30503807
It's Golisopod's ability. Turns out that it's horrible when you're up against entry hazards, especially SR.

If Golisopod switches into SR, takes 25% damage, then the opponent lands a 2HKO attack, then Golisopod is forced to switch out. SR murders Golisopod's niche playstyle.

>>30503721
he still won't beat ultra charizard z

>>30503821
>Pokemon that are good are used often
>these good Pokemon invalidate or wreck the Pokemon that are not getting OU analyses
>WHY ARE THESE POKEMON NOT USED ENOUGH????

>>30503829
>>30503786
they should just make bug pokemon immune to stealth rocks

>>30503837
Yet Smogon somehow thinks that Primarina is worthy of an OU analysis when it's just a shittier Tapu Fini with a shittier movepool and a shittier ability.

EVERYONE TALKED SHIT ABOUT PRIMARINA

BUT SHE'S THE ONLY OU STARTER

WHO'S LAUGHING NOW

>>30503843
They should just fucking ban Stealth Rocks already fuck.

>>30503640
>comfey
>A-raichu

>doublesmon ever getting OU summaries

Sure meant shit when Raichu didn't make it to both teams in the finals of the last VGC

>>30503844
Primarina hits harder so it has that to differentiate it. In addition, Water/Fairy is actually a good typing. That's what I think anyway.

But the ones that aren't getting OU analyses definitely didn't deserve them to begin with.

>>30503856
>she

>>30503856
I know Primarina's playstyle, it's not gonna make it, the lack of recory was its death sentence and useless HA. It will be a good UU mon do, altoght Milotic will compete with it.

>>30503866
but muh sneaky pebbles
honestly though gamefreak should just recognize how annoying they are and either
1.make them do less than 50% or 25% just for a switch-in based on type
2.add more moves that remove stealth rocks
3.Give a single type immunity to hazards
4.make stealth rocks less common of a move, steel types are already annoying to deal with, getting to fuck over their counters like fire types by throwing out rocks is dumb

>>30503856
She's the only starter that has an analysis, I doubt she'll actually be OU without reliable recovery.

>>30503822
>x is shit
t. Shitters who already think there is an established meta of OUs to be followed.

Reminder that these are over USED pokemon and that the reason behind this classification is fueled by shitters who just copy whatever some skilled guy has had luck with. Several of these "shit" mons could just as likely pull several victories in the right hands. It's just that 90% of the showdown playerbase isn't "the right hands"

>>30503888
yes, she

>>30503640
>golisopod
>dhelmise
>salazzle

arent these guys pretty good though? i dont use any of them but its my understanding that salazzle fucks stall, dhelmise is the spinning spinblocker sporeblocker with great stats we've never had, and golisopod is just another good beefy prio hitter (unless tapu lele has relegated that useless i guess?)

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>>30503695
Yeah, it isn't happening.

>>30503640
calm down, there will be things thought to be shit that people will learn are amazing, just like there are things amazing right now that will probably fall down the ranks

>>30503866
GF fucked up by making Stealth Rock a TM/tutor move

It should only be available on garbage Rock types and ultimate shitmons

>>30503640

Because they aren't viable in OU

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>>30503866
>Nerf swagger
>Nerf confuse
>Nerf T-wave
>Nerf Dark void
>Nerf Gengar
>Nerf Kangaskan

>Rocks are okay though

???

>>30503921
by the gender ratio it's obviously a he, you cunt.
stop assuming genders in the first place

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>>30503640
>primarina missing, despite being completely outclassed dogshit
Sasuga, Smogonfags

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>passimian is getting an OU analysis
>literally not ability in singles until Defiant is made legal
Beefed up Zaboomafu is STRONG! Can't wait for it to drop to UU :,)

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>>30503921

>>30503844

Primarina hits harder and can actually burn things with Scald

>>30504033
It doesn't. Sorry but even Primeape outclasses it
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sun-moon-ou-reservation-index-read-the-op-check-post-50.3588447/

>>30504011
>>30504047
not canon

>>30504033
did he deflect the bullet?

Pokemon that ARE getting OU analyses

Bewear
Buzzwole
Celesteela
Exeggutor-Alola
Kartana
Kommo-o
Magearna
Marowak-Alola
Mimikyu
Minior
Muk-Alola
Necrozma
Nihilego
Ninetales-Alola
Pheromosa
Primarina
Tapu Bulu
Tapu Fini
Tapu Koko
Tapu Lele
Toxapex
Xurkitree
Zygarde-10%
Zygarde-50%

>>30503726
>Aquaranid
>Wishiwashi
>good

>>30503640

Incineroar is there because Intimidate isn't released yet.

Once Intimidate is released, it will probably rise a tier or two.

>>30504113
I can understand all of them but alolan exeggutor and maybe primarina

>>30503906
>>30503911
>Gets the move recover
>Liquid voice boosts normal type moves by 20% and makes sound based moves have 100 base accuracy like sing

What now?

>>30504135
waifufags and memes

CAPTCHA: Cooper SHILLINGTON

>>30504113
Why is Alolan Exeggutor getting one?

>>30504115
Araquanid is a good Pokemon though.

>>30503822
>what is double power Scald
>What is double power Waterfall
>What is 400 BP Hydro Vortex
>What is Drizzle
>What is Entertainment
>What is Leech Life
>What is Stockpile + Lunge

>>30503640
>Araquanid
One trick pony lacking speed and physical bulk
>Bruxish
Outclassed by Sharpedo
>Comfey
Too passive
>Decidueye
107/100 is not enough to be a good offensive threat, 78/75/100 is not enough too be a good wall, 70 speed is just not good enough
>Dhelmise
Too slow
>Goliospod
Emergency Exit and Stealth Rock make it basically useless
>Guzzlord
Too Slow and no recovery
>Incineroar
Outclassed by Arcanine
>Lycanroc
One trick pony lacking bulk and coverage
>Pyukumuku
Too passive
>Raichu-Alola
Too much dependent on support(Electric Terrain)
>Salazzle
Too frail
>Sandslash-Alola
Too much dependent on support(Hail)
>Sivally
Stats are too balanced so it is outclassed in everything it can do
>Tsareena
Pure Grass and not enough speed
>Vikavolt
43 SPEED
>Wishiwashi
Too slow and useless under 25% health

And just because we all know it's gonna drop
>Primarina
Lack of physical bulk and no recovery

>>30503640
Can we stop with this Smogon meme. They lost their credibility long ago. I'm all for a tier list. But, they don't know shit.

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>>30503640
>will be able to use Tsareena in comfy UU

I'm surprised that they don't consider Dhelmise to have a niche in OU worth writing an analysis about.

It's the first Ghost type Rapid Spinner, and it has a pretty strong STAB trapping move.

>>30504133
It's not that good with Intimidate either desu. Probably low UU at best with it. What it really needs is a moveset buff.

>>30504115
>Araquanid
>bad
It's not OU material by any means, but saying it's bad is just silly.

>>30503909
gamefreak doesn't give a shit how annoying it is because it's a singles move

They nerfed Mega Milf and Talonflame because they were good in doubles AND singles, meanwhile Blaziken and Mega Luke are still entirely free to shit up singles Battle Spot.

Gamefreak doesn't really give a shit about its fans or its games, and if they cared enough to change SR they would've done it some time in the last decade. C'est la vie.

>people are mad that their shitmon will drop from ou

you should be happy, it will drop to a tier where it is usable and you can still use it in ou as well

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>>30503640
literally all this is saying is that the listed pokemon will not be OU - you're an idiot if you thought any more than one or two would. they will be getting analyses for whatever lower tier they end up in and if it so happens that they are also viable in OU, they will get an analysis for that as well (which happens all the time - look at tangrowth in ORAS)
literally no reason to be complaining here

>>30504162
... hm

>>30504236
they did initially but owlshitters threw a tantrum so they decided to not make one

>>30504280
It's the entire "If it's not OU it's garbage !" mentality. I've seen it before and it's just as annoying as it sounds.

>>30504339
citation needed

>>30504113
>Drapion 2.0: Eclectic Boogaloo is getting an analysis

explain

>>30504416
balky psychic-immunity with pursuit that isnt weak to fairy, and is also a fairy remover with poison jab

>>30504133
it has to compete in UU for a spot with Arcanine, who has reliable recovery and reliable speed, plus it actually has resistances to Fairy and Bug, which Tony the Tiger does not.

>>30504182
Not nearly enough to make a shitmon like that OU

>>30504354
post 29, proof that someone was going to do it

post 76, post 80

>>30503918
t. never played competitive a day in his life

>>30503640
Looks about right to me.

>>30504113
I guarantee no one is really considering Primarina for OU. MAYBE lower UU at best but it's not being seriously considered.

Also A. Exeggutor seems too high as well.

>>30503640
So...Lurantis is getting an OU Analysis? The fuck?

>>30504113
>Pheromosa
Why the fuck isn't that bitch banned yet?

I'm not touching OU until that thing is out of there

>>30504526
Anon, seriously >>30504113

>>30504113
>Exeggutor-Alola

this shit was worthless in-game

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>Salazzle isn't even being considered

I figured as much. Why the fuck would you put a Stall ability on something that frail?

>>30504182
>double power Scald
off of base 50 spatk? what?
>double power Waterfall
you mean liquidation and yes that's an actual good trait
>drizzle
it has to compete with so many other rain abusers for a team slot, namely kingdra
>entrainment
what? this isnt doubles
>leech life
yeah its a good move but will only do decent damage when SE
>stockpile+lunge
a shit set that throws all potential and purpose of this pokemon out the window

>>30504538
What sense does this make?

Why are there two lists "OU analysis" and "no OU analysis" but there are Pokemon missing from both?

>>30504571
I think the better idea would be to make use of it then switch out. Or at least that's the best I can figure aside from GF just being retarded. It's a good ability but yeah, Salazzle is not a good pokemon to make use of it.

>>30504603
the pokemon missing from both are dismal shitmons that no one would consider anyways

>>30504113
>>30503640
so is the implication that everything not here is PU garbage

>>30504603
If you go to the actual page on Smogon, there is the list in the OP, and a disclaimer on the bottom that states any mon that doesn't appear in the post at all (e.g. Mudsdale, etc) will not e getting an analysis for OU because they are shitmons.

The reason the smogonfag specified those in the OP is because sub 1400 shitters still think that Sulvally and Golisopod are anything but completely unsuable shitmons.

The anon you quoted made a list of Alolamons who ARE getting analyses

Get it?

>>30504649
Still doesn't make any sense. The second list alone would be enough.

>>30504649
>Komala
>bad

>>30504113
>Mimikyu
This is a good day to live.

>Salazzle.
>Tsareena.

Smogon showing that they have no fucking idea what they're doing once again. Vikavolt I understand because of its horrid Speed, but those two? Fuck no.

>>30504747
>komala
>good

>>30504665
Not really, it's just UU and bellow. Altough stuff like Gumshoos is PU by default.

>>30504769
I'd say UU is better anyway, except that my favorite pokemon is OU.

>>30504757
You're so terrible at this game it hurts.

Your waifu lizard is shit, get over it. If anything, you should be happy that it can actually compete in a tier where other shitters like it exist.

>>30504747
>>30504757
see >>30504291
just because something isnt auto-OU doesn't mean it's shit and i'm struggling to grasp this mentality. wait a bit for the tiers to start forming. think something deserves higher praise? prove it. make a good team with it and get a high ranking.

>>30504757
>No moves mcgee
>obligatory grass-shitmon
>implying either of these are going to be in the same tier as Garchomp, Landorus, Genesect, Keldeo, and Mega Scizor

please enlighten us, oh 1300 ELO player of great skill

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>>30504113
>60% of them are legendaries

Damn GF really ruined a lot of alola mons

>>30504764
>bulky rapid spinner
>immune to all status
>higher attack than kommo-o
>learns Wish

>ever bad

You'll see. It's the Toxapex counter. This fookin marsupial is going all the way.

>>30504843
also a lot of epic anons here are falseflagging saying anything not in the OU analysis list are "completely unusable shitmons". just ignore them

>>30504870
wish is really bad on a defensive set - youre forced to run protect, which means the last two moves are rapid spin and some nonstab move to not be set up bait, and its HP is way too low to pass meaningful amounts

>>30503918
A Pokemon becomes OU or BL when they're too much for tiers below those. There have been Pokemon before that do well in OU for a limited amount of time or etc. that aren't even OU.

>>30504820
I'll have to say I had more fun in lower tiers like UU and NU than most of the time I had in OU. It's just not fun anymore. Plus, the only reason I even play OU anymore is just like you said, some favorites of mine (Mega Lop and Volcanion) are in there. I'm planning on retiring from OU do, Random battles and Battle Spot are starting to appear more interesting, same for Doubles.

>>30504875
yes, because in the context of OU then garbage like Golisopod and Vikavolt are completely unusable shitmons.

If you were wondering, the context is indeed OU, so let's keep them in NU where they belong

>>30503767
B A S E 4 3
A
S
E
4
3

>>30504113
Why is Smogon recommending to run Sub-less Minior? How are you even supposed to get into Shields Down range?

>>30503767
..christ

>>30505061
>completely unusable shitmons
nah youre inherently wrong and overexaggerating just for the shitpost. the only things that are "completely unusable" are shit like unown. golisopod and friends can do SOMETHING; they can do relevant things. the only discussion to be had is whether their pros outweigh their cons, or whether the team support required is worth it.

>>30503866

They should be like Spikes and require you to set up a second "layer" of them in order to deal the damage it does now.

>>30504648
>No Merciless Salazzle
>No corrosion Toxipex

Stop teasing us, gamefreak.

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>>30503767
IT
FUCKING
HURTS

>>30503767
Got the link? There doesn't even seem to be a NU section in the first place.

>>30503767
Wait what? The NU tier shouldn't even be established yet, we have to wait for the usage statistics of OU first, then UU, and then RU.

>>30505332
>>30505355
>>30505459
he's memeing you dips

>>30505479
knew it

no way a MegaAmpharos with an item slot is not even NU

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>>30505479

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Where can I find the full list? Smogon has such a shit layout

>people still care about Smogon

>>30505639
I like reading smogon's analysis sometimes out of boredom, but yeah, online simulators are trash now.

They were nice like 5 years ago, but now they're full of boring meme-spouting normies and underage.

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I mocked people who thought araquanid would be good with the ability doubling water damage because one-trick ponies are shit unless they're serperior

but now I feel bad for those people, nobody deserves their shitmon lumped together with sandslash, silvally, and vikavolt

>>30505716
UU is fine too

>>30505639
>only place where you can use trash like Ariados without worrying about Garchomp or genies
>somehow bad

>>30505729
No, it really isn't.
Not even BL is acceptable.

>>30505639
>>30505762
>>30505713
>People still respond to poor bait.

>>30505716
Araquanid is actually meta in VGC, since he counters Torkoal

>>30505713
>complaining about underage in a kids game

>>30505798
>torkoal
I giggled

what about ribombee

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>>30505798
>vgc

>>30505831
People under 18 should not be allowed to use the internet in the first place.

>>30505772
If something's UU then it still has a chance of rising to OU, while stuff that's solid OU from the get go just risks getting banned to Ubers, which is by far the worst thing that could possibly happen to any mon.

>>30505845
I'm sorry.

>>30505716
>one-trick ponies are shit unless they're serperior
But Serperior is also shit

>>30504757
I wish Tsareena was better but it's another spinner that flat out loses to Ghosts.

>>30505940
that's what people kept saying as it repeatedly got banned from its tier all the way up to OU

>>30505940
>solid OU mon is shit
k famalam

>>30505925
Ugh

At least Minior is doing OK but he's not very versatile, he probably won't be much fun.

>>30506038
What's up with all these people claiming Minior as their bro? It's just a dumb rock with eyes, where's the charm?

The only one I thought might be ou is tsareena, just because she counters revenge killers so hard.

Strong jaw bruxish and alolan raichu might be viable in ou on certain teams but every other pokemon on this list is complete garbage.

>>30506114
>Shell Smash
>base 120 speed
>White Herb Acrobatics
jee I wonder

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>tfw Lycanroc (Day) is my newest bromon and he's literally just one coverage move away from being viable in OU on my sandstorm team instead of being a one trick mememon

Oh well, at least there's a chance he'll get some love next gen. I waited six gens for Flareon to get a good STAB move, this'll be nothing in comparison.

>>30506172
i'd like to hear your idea for alola raichu

>>30506195
I was talking about the design.

>>30506114
I like meteors and cosmic themed pokemon, and it's very cute when it's shields are down. Lots of colours helps it have a wider appeal.

>>30505716
A lot of offensive mons in OU are one-trick ponies

>>30506114
It looks like candy and its cute.

>>30506229
Some drizzle + electric terrain gimmick where he gets enough speed to surpass sonic the hedgehog

>>30506242
There are tons of colors

>>30505845
It's usable as a cleric with decent dual STABS but as a sweeper Volcarona shits down its open mouth and there's still better mons to run for support.

>>30506242
Bitch Minior is adorable.

>>30506172
Tsareena has too much trouble with poison and ghost types. Needs Knock Off or something.

My Silvally can wipe out the E4 all by itself, how is that bad?

>>30503640
This shit isn't fair. Where the fuck is Trannyseal on this list?

>>30506228
I still cannot believe it doesn't at least have EQ.

>>30506287
Does ribo do well in doubles? I imagine it must do better than in singles, it seems so doubles-geared, but I can still see it being overshadowed there. No idea if smogon is even discussing doubles right now.

>>30506333
Despite its completely shit looks tranny seal has a god tier typing and at the very least will be high tier UU.

>>30503640
>tfw silvally is shit
I wanted an Arceus that wasn't banned, but it was a disappointment. How come Multitype works with Z-Crystals, but RKS System doesn't?

Oh well. At least it will be good in UU. And it might just be a move tutor or two away from being viable in OU.

>>30503726
They're good pokemon in their own right, but they won't survive in OU, hence no analyses.

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>>30504113
>Minior
>Mimikyu
>Marowak-Alola
I used these three fags in my run. The M's must stand for MASTER RACE

>>30506340
Hopefully we can at least move tutor it superpower or something in the future

Does Bewear have the potential to become a better Conkeldurr?

>>30506331
Ingame doesn't compare. Silvally lacks specialization and it doesn't have the bst or move pool to be spread like arceus. Some people thought it would be a mini arceus for OU, but the move pool hurts it, and your biggest stat being 95 sucks, even if it's also your lowest.

>>30506447
Yeah

>>30506398
I think it's dumb that plates boost the damage of a move, but the memories don't. I mean what's the point? It's like they're afraid to give out damage boosts to things this gen.

>>30506331
I wiped the entire E4 with a Farfetch'd once, doesn't mean it's not PU.

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>>30505716
>>30505729
>All of my favorite pokemon to use are UU trash
I need some good coping tips

>>30506398
If it got a recovery move it could be alright
It's my favorite this gen and I might just use it as a Parting Shot spammer anyway even though it's not good

>>30506510
UU is more fun than OU anyways.

>>30506228
>not running him as a retarded suicide lead with no attack moves

>>30506510
Cope by playing UU. There's a reason why it's a different format.

>>30505845
Ribombee's main gimmick is Baton Passing Quiver Dance, which is a banned combo on Smogon.

>>30504113
Ayyy, my boy palm tree made it big. Probably just gonna be for the TR set, but still. Not sure if I agree with the exclusion of salazzle and Alolachu, but oh well.

>>30506583
I hate the baton pass clauses.

>>30506510
>my favorite mon is solid OU
>almost all of the other mons I like can't keep up with it

It's a bit sad, isn't it?

>>30506583
I still say that ban is fucking retarded in a post gen vi world.

>>30504113

Why is Tapu Lele getting an analysis???

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let's be real, is anyone sad about Pyukumuku not being OU?

>mfw people thought it would be the pseudo legendary

>>30504113
>Exeggutor

Why?

>>30504820
UBs and Tapus will make a LOT of people move on to UU this gen, mark my words.

>>30503871
Yeah, and Raichu had a VGC summary well before that

>>30506655
Because she's good? Why not ask who Fini is getting one, at least.

>>30506655
>why is the mon that's basically Mega Gardevoir but immune to priority getting an analysis

>>30506609
The only BP clause that needs to exist is one BP user per team. Otherwise we end up with retarded unbeatable Espeons with +6 Stored Power and Ingrain.

>>30504416
It's drapion if drapion had a useful ability and better special bulk.
>>30504454
Thank you for describing drapion

>>30505127
Because most people run Sash-Smash, but sub is a pretty good idea

>>30506398
Silvally should have had 110 in all stats
It was supposed to rival legends not be a shitmon

>>30504747
It'll probs be RU with a small niche in UU, if I had to guess. Great ability, but the stats just aren't there.

>>30506804
If it had 110 in all stats then it would just rot in Ubers as a worse Arceus. No thanks.

>>30506689
I'm worried that OU this gen will pretty much be a bunch of legends running around with the rare normal mon that has a useful niche.

>>30504757
Salazzle you can kind of argue for, but tsareena will never see OU outside of joke waifumon teams.

>>30504113

>Kommo-o

For what purpose? That thing sucks.

>>30506784
Sash? Not White Herb?

>>30506784
I thought HerbSmash was the cooler meme. If you fail to break the sash you're fucked.

>>30506660
I'm still going to use it as a memey suicide revenge bomb and nobody will stop me.
>tfw you can throw the nigga in on literally anything and nearly guarentee a OHKO by giving it 0 defensive IV/EVs and a -Df/S.Df nature
>tfw 314 damage right to the face on the most popular sweepers is a guarenteed OHKO for 3/4 of them if they've taken even chip damage

>>30504148

Liquid voice doesn't boost by 20%. Turning Sing into Spore is p good though.

Pretty sure the only reason exeggutor is getting out analysis is for being one of the few viable trick room users till pokebank , he's pretty sad otherwise with tons of weaknesses, slow as fuck, and honestly worse than regular exeggutor who is nu.

>>30506804
All 105 would have been perfect.

>>30506804
**Rival Ultra beasts

Which it technically does at 570 BST

>>30506872
One thing I've heard of is Unaware Psych Up Baton Pass on Pyukumaru. I'm not sure how well it works, sounds like a dumb but fun gimmick.

>>30506905
You don't BTFO things by being the same as them. Should have had 600 BST at the very least.

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>>30504113
source?

>>30506921
You use Psych Up against a setup sweeper then pass to your own sweeper. Reminds me a bit of Ditto.

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>>3050690
>Tfw Grass is such a terrible defensive type that it even drags Grass/Dragon dual type Pokemon down.

>>30506872
I'd wanna see the numbers, like how many of the relevant threats it can actually blow up in OU. But it has promise.

I used quite a bit of scarf imposter ditto back in Gen 5 to counter set up/revenge kill, so it does interest me.

>>30506980
Dragon is bad type itself tho? The only thing that makes most dragons good is the high stats associated with their type.

>>30507020
Dragon is also a decent at worst defensive type as well. It resists Fire, Water, Grass, and Electric.

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Why do so many people bemoan that a pokemon they like is UU when UU has a significantly better community, mostly free of the shithead 13 year olds, timerstalling faggots and rage quitters that plague OU and Ubers?

Getting to dodge most of the cancermons is just a bonus

>>30506872
Is it worth giving it a Z Crystal?

I understand that smogon is respected but I never got their ranking tier. If I participate in a real pokemon tournament, is it like I will only be able to use some pokemon outta OU or something?
I mean It's like the first tier is UBER- ok (overly powerful), I get it. What about the others (overly used)- how do you compare that to first, jesus.

>>30506934
It has the same stats but more versatility. In comp obviously you can't counterpick your memory, but narratively, silvally could be adjusted to take on any ultra beast 1v1.

>>30506953
It's from the same thread that was posted earlier.

>>30507020
Also the fact that dragon typing gets a few massive damage STAB moves that pretty much every dragon can learn.

>>30506996
I should have clarified, I was talking about UU. OU has too many sweepers with HP notably higher than 307 even without EV investment for it to reliably kill shit.

Though if recoil moves become popular on more of the OU sweepers or they trend towards the sort that are weak to sneaky pebbles the number of mons it can reliably blow up will probably be respectable in OU as well.

>>30507086
Because most people don't actually play on Showdown and a mon being UU means they won't ever get the chance to use it as there are no tiers in VGC/Battle Spot.

>>30507129
>Dragon Claw
>massive damage

>>30507106
And yeah, I essentially got a little bit pissed off after playing competitive with some ''mates'' from a nintendo normiebook page.
Every single pokemon and their stat/nature/attackset/item is done like in smogon. I always used a mixed team of pokemon I like (some uber, some NU), and ended up losing 7 out of 10 times.
Hate how multiplayer gaming today became this spartan I PLAY FOR COMPETITIVE TO WIN.

>>30507020
You've been spoiled by faries.

"Double dragon" was a thing for a reason pre-gen6. Deccent defensively and mostly unresisted STAB (bar steel types). Outrage and Draco Meteor are also a thing.

>>30507106
Depends on what tier you play. If you do a OU tournament, you can use every pokemon that's OU and below. If you do a UU tournament, you can use every pokemon UU and below. So on.

The Grass/Ghosts will probably end up getting analyses eventually, even if they aren't actually in OU. (which they probably won't be) Same with something like Guzzlord. Just look at the ORAS UU Pokemon that have OU analyses.

>>30507098
Dunno if you're joking or not, but it learns literally no attacks to use a crystal with offensively.

>>30507106
Uber is the ban tier for OU. Anything else is based on usage. Stuff which isn't used enough in OU ends up in UU, stuff which isn't used enough in UU ends up in RU and so on. Every tier also has its own ban tier for things the community consider "over-centralizing".

That's it I'm now a #UUmissile.

Who /uu/ here?

>>30507205
>complaining that you lose after you use a suboptimal team
kek

>>30507106
The point of the tiers is to give you a fair matchup. If all your pokemon are UU, on battle spot and vgc and whatnot youd get blown up, but the idea with smogons ruleset is you would only battle UU teams, and it would be fairer.

If your team is completely spread out, yes, you'll get fucked. You're going to be battling OU teams if even one of your pokemon is OU.

>>30507225
And what sort of relevance "pre-gen 6 mechanics" have anymore?

>>30507281
There are no official UU pokemon yet. Everything is OU, and they will be until the usage statistics are released. This list is simply for things that Smogon feels has the most potential, but we can't know until the stats, and they know that too.

>>30507281
>tfw half these mons aren't even going to be UU

>>30507106
It's usage-based except for Ubers, which is a ban list.

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>>30507298
Which is also the reason hardcore karenfags won't ever get over Smogon's tiering system.

>>30507298
I like this idea but I wish there was a way to create user custom leagues in-game, so I didn't have to use a fucking simulator to play.

It feels sad that I put $40+ on the game and then play it for 80~ hours to get the regional dex done and then there's literally no reason to not play on Showdown anymore.
And before you go "most $60 games last 10 times less than that", keep in mind I used to cap my playtime clock at 999 in gen 4, because the online competitive scene felt a lot more alive before everyone moved to Showdown.

>>30507298
Yeah I get it now, thanks. But does any official nintendo tournament follow these rules, or are they like fan set rules?
Because in that case I dont get it how so many legendary pokemon were used in the hoenn championship.>>30507286
I did not complain that I lost, I get it why I lost.
If I put up a team of 6 arceuses, you would need a lot of skill to wipe me, thats the issue. There are literally 20-30 pokes of the 720 (ok, less) that are used.
Never seen a regular charizard, typhlosion, or dragonite being used because of the mentality and the retarded megastones.

>>30505716
>tfw I tried so hard to make him good

I had the best luck with Assault Vest but he's just too weak.

>>30506172
>strong jaw Bruxish

I've been using one, and it definitely has it's uses. Psychic Fangs becomes incredibly powerful alongside Tapu Lele.

>>30507205
You play to win though still, right?

Everyone has different ways of approaching that, you wanna be able to say "yay my *insert shitmon* pulled me a win" and You're free to handicap yourself if that's what you enjoy. But some people wanna enjoy the gameplay/mechanics while also having a reasonable chance of winning.

Nothing wrong with either.

I personally enjoy building around a strategy rather than specific mons, if they happen to include my bros that's great. And I've found a few of my favourite 'mon through pulling off cool shit in competitive with them.

>>30507169
This is something I've never understood, people with the problem you're describing go on to bitch at Smogon for ALLOWING them to use their shitmons in a lowertier instead of bitching at Gamefreak for designing so many underwhelming mons in the same Gen as Tapus and UBs.

The "muh smogon" boogieman doesn't make any sense at all.

>>30506726
GOD FORBID people have to run haze

>>30504148
That would be nice but it just doesn't exist

>>30507407
Wasn't a "Custom rules tournament" added this gen?

>>30507468
I think it's Karens being butthurt Smogon won't allow them to use Arceus in OU.

>>30507447
You mean in the reccent world championship?

They use a new set of rules each year, this year you were allowed 2 legendaries per team I believe.
The upcoming one is Z-move legal, Alola pokes only, no legends and no megas.

Smogon is a fan ruleset used to attempt to create a "perfect metagame" in which all pokemon have a place, hence OU, UU, ect.

>>30507529
But box legends and mythics aren't allowed by Gamefreak either except for the final VGC pre new gen, and those are fucking awful.

I just don't get this board at all.

>>30507529
>Karenfags
>Using legends
?????

>>30507489
Haze doesn't have priority though. What if the opposing Pokemon has a speed boost or is naturally faster than the Pokemon with Haze?

>>30507447
Smogon's is a fan made ruleset. It is only enforced in any way and tracked on simulators. Battles following smogon's rules on cartridge are agreed upon by the players for fun/fairness.

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>>30507528
Yes but it's extremely limited, can't do anything with it other than opt in or out of the stupid blanket "Special Pokemon" ban.

Stadium 2 custom rules 16 years ago had more options, including the option to ban specific Pokemon. Pic related.

Talonflame and the genies are gone, /vp/

THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED

ISN'T
IT
/VP/?

>>30503782
Golisopod hits like a dumpster even with Emergency Exit.

And if it gets Intimidated and E-Exit goes. At least you come back in hitting harder than before you left

>>30504113
>only 6 non-legendary and not a form of an old Pokemon Pokemon on the list
J U S T
U
S
T

>>30507667
Being a Karenfag is using pokemons that you like, not shitmons.

>>30507856
If the Pokemon they liked weren't shitmons they wouldn't be obnoxious Karenfags.

>>30504113
>Primarina.

Feels good man.

>>30507856
Karenfag is codeword for hipster. I've seen many an anon cry now that their "bro" Marowak is a shitmon no longer.
They love their bros until everyone else is using them.

>>30507983
I'm stoked that my bro is usable. I was bummed out when everyone was claiming he didn't have any use when stats were released. It's nice to see I can train one up to have some usability.

>>30508031
I'm still not sure how having one extra immunity is more valuable than being able to spam a 180 BP move with no drawbacks.

>>30508078
Because tapu koko, it "antimeta.

Marowak is shit without electric 'mon spam so prevalent.

>>30503844
>thinking Primarina and Tapu Fini fill the same role just because they share typing

Ebin.

>>30508078
The extra immunity for Marowak isn't especially helpful, but it's incredibly helpful for Celesteela

>>30504025

Stay mad.

>>30507556
Oh ok, got it.
So it's only used in friendly matches then.
Shame we can use legendaries in the tournament though.

>>30507648
I agree, for me letting the legendaries to be used in the championship kinda brakes the 4th wall of the game.

Why the fuck is primarina being considered when it doesn't even have access to liquid voice legally?

I can't imagine it being viable in ou based on its current state

>>30507463
I mean it's ok, but I have a friend who is really good at competitive and wipes the floor with my ass 7/10 times, but I constantly hear him say shit like oh I would really love to be able to use infernape (or whatever the fire monkey from 4th gen was called), ''its my favorite pokemon''. Im like ok, why dont you use it in our friendly battles, if my pokemon arent even bred?
That's what I mean, I would understand people shifting between competition and fun, I do the same- when I play tournaments I only use th ebest bred gladiators I have, but when I am playing a casual game with a friend, the most fun moments we have is when my non bred blaziken gets his pokes burnt everytime by luck...
Otherwise its like ok, I see his pokemon, I am 100 percent sure what attacks and stats and items it has :/

>>30508408
To be considered you need at least one of the following:
>Hit Hard Enough
>Be Fast Enough
>Be Hard Enough to Kill
Primarina hits hard enough to have a niche in some teams, but it lacks everything else that would make it a top threat.

>>30503988
Stealth Rock only matters in 6v6 Singles and Game Freak doesn't give a shit about that.
>>30506655
Are you high?
>>30507262
Not exactly true. Counter becomes a 100 BP All-Out Pummelling, Bide becomes Breakneck Blitz.
Neither are even close to worth it.

>>30507819
>the genies are gone
lmao you wish

>>30508465
Kek. Infernape isn't even shit tier.

>>30506689
OU has been in a constant nosedive ever since Gen 5 and things haven't been better in Gen 6 and it's looking like it's gonna be even worse now in Gen 7. If Pheromosa stays in OU, then bye bye half of the user base. I'm already packing up and leaving to UU/NU, but I wonder really how bad things will be ?

Why not Salazzle?
SubBelch is pretty nice

>>30507086
I don't hate UU, it's just too easy to get stuck in the Elo hell with ebin Crocune, undying Mandibuzz and suicide Azelf stall teams every game. At least that's how it was back when I played

>>30507983
>make badass looking pokemon
>shit stats overall

least that didn't happen too much in gen 7, but it's the simplest reason people are karenfags. It's easy to fix: stop making cool pokemon with shit stats.

>>30507819
Yeah Talonflame isn't as huge of a threat thanks to the Gale Wings nerf, but he's certainly not gone.

And the genies aren't affected at all

>>30506510
UU is way more fun.

>>30508465
I run a typhlosion and leafeon on cartridge for friendlies, so I get ya.
He's probably more balanced towards just winning for fun as opposed to how he wins and that's just a trait some people have. Annoying, but you chose your friends, my dude. Or maybe he's a perfectionist and would still need to breed a perfect infernape but can't be arsed. My typhlosion and leafeon are perfect and they're shitmons but playing without perfect/near perfect bothers me.

>>30508523
Oh they do? Assumed they'd just be buff moves like the other statuses. Consider me corrected then.

>>30508523
Seems like GF designed SR and entry hazards in general with singles in mind, why even do that if they don't care about singles

>>30506784
Why would you ever run sash when White Herb/Weakness Policy are better variants ?

>>30504214
I'm okay with this to be honest family

>>30509378
Spikes was added before Doubles was a thing. Toxic Spikes and SR were added in the same generation where Doubles actually became the official format, IIRC. Don't ask me why they added Sticky Web, probably to give a hand to a couple shitmons.

Point is they certainly don't care enough at this point to bother nerfing any hazard. Confusion (and Swagger by extension), T-Wave, Dark Void, Gengar, and Mega Mom have all had a far greater impact on 4v4 Doubles than Stealth Rock ever has, and, without some disgusting buffs, ever will.

>>30509378
SR was probably something GF came up with early into DP's development before they decided to make doubles their main competitive format and just left it in because why not.

>>30503640
>grass owl
>incineroar
>poison lizard slut
>arceus-lite
>grass slut
all of those are definitely ou in usage
wtf smogon

>>30506687
>>30504564
>>30504513
>>30504162
>>30504135
Trick room

>>30509212
He isn't my friend, just most of my friends don't have a 3ds :/
And no, he is the person who has bred himself every single fucking pokemon for competitive use.

>>30509630
Why is doubles the official format anyway when the main game has always been about singles?

>>30510114
Because, as Smogon has repeatedly demonstrated, it is FAR easier for something to be absolutely busted in Singles than in Doubles. And you don't get shit like Funbro in Doubles either; the real REAL reason why VGC is Doubles is because of some chucklehead cheesing tournaments in Gen III with Wobbuffet to force Struggle wars.

That's ALSO why Struggle began dealing 25% of the user's maximum HP in recoil damage instead of just 25% of the damage dealt in Gen IV. Shadow Tag Wobbuffet literally ruined everything.

>>30510114
3v3 singles are boring. 6v6 singles are very hard to balance and turn really shitty when it isn't. 4v4 doubles easily balances itself by virtue of the format itself and makes for short (important for official tournaments) yet exciting and not shallow battles.

>>30510114
I'll simply add to the other reasons that doubles are actually interesting to watch and achieving "perfect play" isn't as stupidly easy as in singles. I'm not a fan of the banlists that the VGC has been rolling with the last couple years though. I think they need to be a bit more restrictive.

>>30503815
indirect damage doesnt activate it. makes its playstyle more niche maybe, but lets not spread false info.

>>30507489

Haze doesn't do shit.

The guy who pioneared the BP chain team fought against a team that was tailored made to specificall counter BP chain teams. He still ended up winning because he could easily outstall the """Anti-BP Team"""

>>30510114
>>30510332
>>30510422

Honestly the games should have followed Colosseum's and XD's lead by making doubles the default. It's so much more fun than singles.

>>30507765

I wish HAL was in charge of the mainseries. IT's obvious they could do a better job than Gamefreak could.

>>30503640
non of them are worthy of OU
that's a fact that should be accepted already

maybe pyukumuku might find a niche but the rest is garbage for ou standards


don't forget they aren't the only cucked ones
half of gen 6 ou or so will drop to uu and so on

unpexpected drops will be broken in uu instead

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>>30503726
anon...

>>30503856
>only one that will have analysis
>will clearly drop to uu with sylveon and florges regardless because lel encore and other sets are memes anyway
woah...

>>30506730
Gluttony is shit, PoA is useless and poison touch is excessively mediocre compared to Battle Armor

>>30504113
reminder that necrozma is inferior kyurem-b meme legendary status wise

>>30512781
>XD
get out

>>30503911
Why do fuck does she even have an analysis? Literally just use Tapu Fini.

>>30504113
>alolan-exeggutor
Fuck off

>>30504870
>bulky
>meme spin when defoggers exist
>base 65 hp wish flareon, leafeon and glaceon tier meme

is this ruse?

>>30514089
it's a grass type with flamethrower anon
can spam some statuses too and even run mixed sets to lure

>>30514054
If you want a powerful Special Attacking Water/Fairy-type that can actually burn shit with Scald, Primarina is the only option.
Also,
>she

>>30504236
The fact that Alolan-Exeggutor is getting one probably means they are picking Pokemon at random right. It's the only way to explain this shit.

>>30503640

>Araquanid

Good. Then it's going to tear up UU and we can watch the Smogon dipshits cry as they suspect test it and toss it into OU where it belongs later on.

>>30504113
>Primarina
>Bewear
>A-Egg
>Kommo-o
>A-Muk
>Minior
>Necrozma
>Pheromosa (implies not getting banned any time soon)

Literally why

>>30514172
So fucking what. A Exeggutot only claim is being one of the only viable trickroom setters currently.

>>30514356
what are you even trying to say

>>30503888
has

>>30505061

I still can't believe smogon hasn't been smart enough to figure out Golisopod's ability is actually a huge plus and not a negative. If you use it right you get a free pivot switch in to anything in the game without having to sacrifice a pokemon or any momentum, just as long as Golisopod takes enough damage to activate its ability.

But no, every time I hear about it it's "lol emergency exit" as if there aren't ways around it or ways to use it to your advantage

>>30514445
nice try bot-anon

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>>30506331

>>30506390
Tapu Fini has the same typing and it's infinitely better than trannyseal. There is no reason at all to use him over Tapu Fini outside of slightly stronger Pokemon.

>>30504113

Why is Zygarde 10% being considered when power construct is banned?

>>30504457
I think the combination of Intimidate, dark STAB, and a slow U-Turn will be enough to carve him a niche, but we'll have to wait and see.

>>30514484
she is one of the fastest dragon dancers if not the fastest, also arrows

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>>30504113
>Primarina
>viable in OU

Waifufags need to die.

>>30514507
it's like darmanitan doesn't exist, like victini
also what will it do in a tier where hippo and even politoed will be used with other tons of defensive mons and better alternatives in general that don't require a fire type

>>30506390
>at the very least will be high tier UU.
No, comfy, sorry but it won't. Most of its usage will be simply to have a way to deal with Hydreigon who is a massive threat in UU. Eventually Hydreigon users will find a way around it and Primarina will drop to RU.
Typing isn't everything.

>>30503934
Salazzle's gimmick is her ability - so it can set up Toxic on bulky-steels or Mega Venasaur. Outseide of that, it's another frail sweeper.

>>30514484
It can have aura break.

>>30514693

I'm aware but its stats seem lackluster in OU without the ability to go mecha.

>>30514648
t. mad owl/catcuck.

>>30514609
also Entei

>>30514609
Slow u turn is played differently, all of those are above average in speed and lack the ability to pivot both ways like luchalitten does.

>>30514484
It's the fastest dragon dancer, has access to the best ground type move as well as Extremespeed.

>>30514712
I see, I assumed the implication was "won't it just change into 100% forme". Fair enough.

In that case:
>fast, deccent att
>thousand arrows
>ground/dragon is a very good typing
>gets dragon dance, so it has potential there

>>30514774
Nah actually a high elo UU player.
In what respects to me all of them are equally trash :^)

>>30508216
What can Primarina do that Tapu Fini can't, outside of burning with scald?
>Fini can tank hits significantly better
>Can play support in multiple ways
>Hits hard enough to kill glass cannons and has moves like Nature's madness and taunt to deal with walls or tanks
>Can remove other Pokemon Tapu's terrain
>Can't be toxic stalled and can prevent teammates from being burned
Primarina just spams Hydropump and Moonblast
Same goes for Suicune and Sylveon in UU.

>>30514785
Zygarde base speed is 95, if I recall base Salamence outspeeds. Not like scarf moxie Salamence is the best Salamence.

>>30514776
victini can rely on mixed sets and a very wide offensive movepool for a fire type

darmanitan is the button man that needs no other use outside of punching holes in teams
could even use a meme z drum flame charge set

>>30514825
Salamence is base 100, so it does outspeed Zygarde

>>30514825
Zygarde 10% aka the dog form has 115 base speed only slower than Mega Mence who will comfortably enjoy another generation of being S tier in ubers.

>>30514609
>>30514775
Darm and Victini can't pivot nearly as well as Luchalitten can, and Entei can't pivot at all. Also all of them lack a way to reliably counter Cresselia and Chandelure, both of which Lucha checks easily.

>>30514873
>cresselia
>gen 7 uu
seriously, cresselia may end being garbage as in literal sitting duck even in gen 7 ru, not even kidding

chandelure will be the last of the uu problems, it will most likely end being uu only due to its eventual ban from ru

>>30514850
Yes, but they lack the slow u turn and intimidate to ensure it against dome targets.

I love mixtini, stall tini and lo darmanitan as much as the next guy,but a slow u turn is a different niche altogether.

>>30514850
>implying Victini won't spend yet another gen in the effective limbo known as BL

>>30514866
I get zydoge is faster, but base zygarde isn't.

Zydoge is indeed the fastest non mega DD user.

>>30508482
Then why isn't Incineroar considered? It's basically Emboar 2.0. I can understand the anchor and owl because you kind of need to right EVs to get that walling and killing going (and shit coverage), but what things can switch into a Base 115 Atk Flare Blitz?

>>30515002
>but what things can switch into a Base 115 Atk Flare Blitz?

literally anything that resists.

Incineroar is easily the worst SM starter until it gets Intimidate.

>>30514981
>victini surviving another power creep
i don't think so

>>30515002
People are sleeping on it, just wait for intimidate and he will have a real niche.

Incineroar bulk is relatively impressive if you speed creep past base 71 and dump the rest on physical bulk, add in burn, intimidate and slow u turn and you got yourself a real threat to bring in a wincon safely.

>>30503856
She is still shit. They only picked the current list of Pokémon for OU analysis do to them either
>Hitting hard
>Being Sanic fast
>Or doing Anal
Primarina is just a one trick pony since all it can do is hit really hard.

>>30513953
>50% chance to inflict poison with poison jab
>30% chance to poison with pursuit, KNOCK OFF, shadow sneak, and other contact moves
>worse than an anti crit ability on a mon with mediocre bulk and no recovery
ok

>>30514712
They are. All Pokemon on the list are based on>>30508482
This should make the list more sensible.

>>30503640
Is my nigga Turtonator OU?

Why do you fuckers post this shit without links? Damn you to hell for doing that

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>>30514333
>>Bewear
Bulky as fuck, hits hard too, nice coverage. It actually has perfect STAB coverage outside of spooks..
>>Minior
Best Shell Smash user in the game, which isn't saying much but there you go. Shields Up forme is also immune to status so that's cool.
>>Necrozma
Weird movepool. Weird stats. Useful ability. I've seen Stored Power strats being tossed around, and it gets all sorts of boosting options even outside of those tactics.
>>Pheromosa (implies not getting banned any time soon)
They're on drugs. It's the only explanation.
>>30515217
See pic.

>>30505836
Torkoal got a big buff buddy

It now has drought for starters

>>30514478
Tapu Fini will be OU probably dumbass. That why I said Prim will be high UU. Learn to read.

Alolan Raichu is the only one I think should at least be considered for OU off that list. Strange it isn't even being considered.