I-It has an OU niche I s-swear

>>30497568
J U S T

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Gee...that's too bad

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>>30497568
Did anyone actually tought that ?

>>30497568
Once again, some retarded Smogonfag thinks that Decidueye isn't viable in OU even though it's extremely effective.

ww@ sealbros?

>>30497606
Was just about to post that, lol.

>>30497568
Good. All of these listed are fucking garbage.
Though I don't understand why they didn't put Tumblrina in there aswell.

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>>30497568
It all returns to nothing

>>30497610
extremely effective at granting your opponent the win, sure

>>30497606
But vp told me the owl is the best starter...which make the fact it's smogon thread was the biggest more hilarious

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>>30497613

>>30497610
>some retareded Smogfag
Do you even know how analyses work? Have you ever built a team without Last Resort Ambipom?

>/vp/ knowing anything when it comes to Smogon.

Reminder that many people here said that Primarina would end up in RU/NU and Decidueye in OU. Biggest year of getting btfo so far.

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>>30497664
Popularity can only get you so far

>>30497632
In OU it is the best new starter.
Primarina might look like a more viable starter on paper, and it will be in UU, but in OU it is completely outclassed by Fini so it will see less play than Decidueye who has a niche.
Incineroar is just shit.

The fact that they think shit like Crabominable and Toucannon who probably won't even make it to UU are more worthy of an analysis than Decidueye is nothing sort of ridiculous.

>>30497678
Remember all the people saying lunala would be shit. Love how it turned out to be the second coming of jesus for ubers. Top 5 easily. It just learns so much shit.

>>30497664
owlfags are the biggest joke on this board, every utterance they make is sheer gold

>>30497568
>Wishiwashi
B-but /vp/ told me its OU material!

>>30497694
did you not notice the "not listed here" part, crabrawler and toucannon aren't even listed anywhere on that page they're that shit.

>>30497694
>completely outclassed by Fini
They don't fit the same role. Plus, Fini's Misty Terrain actually hinders its defensive capabilities if you want to run Scald for burns.

>>30497694
if you think typing automatically means two pokemon fill the same role you're retarded beyond repair.
Fini is a defensive pokemon whose ability synergizes with defensive teams but arguably works against it since it prevents shit like Scald burns

Primarina is a specially bulky and reasonably powerful special attacker with access to two important STABs, but is ultimately let down by its lack of recovery options

>>30497568
>Pretty much everything with a good design
rip

>>30497627
if you're talking about Tsareena she's right below Silvally

No surprise, Incineroar and Decidueye are mediocre in Pre-bank OU and outright garbage in Pokebank OU.

No point in wasting time on writing OU analysis for them since Pre-bank OU is getting deleted in like a month anyway..

>>30497781
>nu-male's owlsona
>good design
just piss off owlfag

>>30497796
I didn't even mention Decidueye but stay mad

Idgaf about owl. I just need to know Tsareena's placement so I can main that tier already

>>30497752
Both are specially oriented Water/Fairy types that lacks recovery.
Both lack reliable recovery.
Primarina trades some physical bulk for special attack, and that's pretty much it.
They are without question competing for the same spot on a team, and unless you really need that Scald support Fini is the better option.
Misty Terrain might not help Fini but it does remove other Terrains, and if you think that it will be the less used one after Telepathy is released you're dead wrong.

>>30497568
>Smogfags are disgusting primatards who will retort to underhanded methods to make decidueye look bad
Defend this.

>>30497852
nice falseflagging

>>30497568
So who's getting an analysis? Link to the thread?

>>30497904
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sun-moon-ou-reservation-index-read-the-op-check-post-50.3588447/

There you go anon

>>30497568
List: Most of my favourites

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>>30497846
Fini is not something you can slap Specs on with its unremarkable 95 SpA (Primarina is base 126).

Fini does not have access to key coverage moves like Psychic and Energy Ball.

They are two completely different roles, anyone who has spent more than two minutes on teambuilding can tell you this.

>>30497568
>Incineroar
Sealfags win again

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>>30497924
Sure, whatever you say. Damage control harder.

>>30497568
Link please?

>>30497938
Hey anon....the water dog and fire cat are on the same side.

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UBERS ANALYSIS CONFIRMED?!?

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100

WASTED

POINTS

>>30497938
I treated Sealfags as bros. Didn't know we had a war going on

>>30497664
Not really, sealfags had the awesome water/fairy typing and scald guaranteed. That alone is UU.
If its physical bulk wasn't so low and the ability not total worthless, it would become an OU. staple.

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>>30497568

>>30497945
>Damage control
???

>>30497993
Eh, maybe if GF gave it Boomburst out of nowhere. Maybe.
>>30498000
These sure are some salty trips.

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>>30497991
We don't....or at least I don't. I don't mind the owl. I hate it's loud fans.

what the hell is ninetales getting an analysis for if neither sandslash or beartic are getting one as well

>>30497924
You can say that but Primarina is undoubtedly going to get less usage than Decidueye, and a big reason for that is Fini. Fini is in general a much more viable pokémon and you can say that Primarina is "completely different" as much as you like but the truth is that there is no place for Primarina as long as Fini is around.

Decidueye literally see more use than Primarina in high ladder play right now, that's not even worth discussing. And since Primarina is a better mon on paper then there is no other logical explanation than it being just outclassed, but I would love to hear your reasoning.

>>30498030
garcuck counter

>>30497792
Decuideye is actually an okay spinblocker/trapper/defogger, nothing too amazing, it's just that you can't really do anything with its offensive stats (no bulk to take hits). 70 base Speed hurts it pretty badly too.

Incineroar is pretty pathetic at the moment, akin to Gen 4 Charizard. 60 base Speed and no priority worth running means it can't even use its decent bulk more than once. Throat Chop looks good on paper but is shit because you can only use it on a prediction without getting bodied. Even if it gets Intimidate later on, it won't be enough to salvage it.

Primarina is...decent, but again, 60 base Speed kills whatever chances it has in OU. Water/Fairy is a great typing that is let down by its terrible bulk, even though it's a threat with its coverage.

>>30498028
But I'm a Incineroarfag

>>30498030
Because as of now it's undeniably the best hail inducer...and the fastest.

>>30498041
garchomp used fire blast

>>30498049
I know. just saying I don't outright hate the owl despite preferring the other 2.

>>30497924
It has a niche which is why it's getting an analysis but Tapu Fini is still better in most situations and they do compete for a slot on the defensive side. If you want a powerful Fairy type for Specs then Lele is better.

>>30498062
Scarfedtales outspeeds even Scarfedchomp.

>>30497568
>araquanid and golisopod aren't getting ou analysises
Huh, I guess they're UU? I was suspicious about goliso but I thought araquanid was definitely OU.

>>30498030
>Sandslash
>Beartic
Anon, these Pokémon are trash

>>30498028
I'm a Primarinafag and still like Incineroar so they're bros too. I like Decidueye a bit too but it's fanbase ruins it.

>>30498084
They get Slush Rush, making them very useful in Hail (even moreso with Psychic Terrain up, making them great in doubles)

>>30497568
It probably will have an OU niche, but it's definitely not settling there. It'll probably see usage in every tier it ends up being allowed in.

>>30498080
Apparently the council took one look at Golisopod's ability and its type and immediately declared it stealth rock weak, so no OU analysis for it!

Araquanid's ability might be OP, but there's no getting around how shitty its stats are.

>>30498080
I'm guessing that it's amazing attack still can't fix his glaring speed and bulk issues. Oh well, I'll still use him in battle spot.

>>30498099
They're shit. Their base speed is too low. They can't take advantage of accurate Bliazzard due to being physical attackers.

>>30497945
Why even bother replying if you're going to make yourself look like a retarded 12 year old?

>>30498067
Yeah same here. I like Decidueye by itself but its fans kinda ruined it for me

>>30498080
Sorry man, there was no chance Araquanid would make it into OU. People on smogon are saying it'd be godlike in RU or broken it NU. Golisopod is a tougher case, but RU seems the most fitting. Maybe lower UU

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>>30497568
>Primarina is objectively the best starter
Sealfags are going to win so much that they'll be tired of winning.

>>30498132
>Apparently the council took one look at Golisopod's ability and its type and immediately declared it stealth rock weak, so no OU analysis for it!
i dont see the problem here, this is why its shit

>>30498160
>its fans kinda ruined it for me
>letting retards on the internet affect your opinion

>>30497919
So play uu

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>>30497568
>>30497606

BASED MERMAID

>>30498170
It's actually depressing. It's obvious that gamefreak really didn't want Primarina to be viable or stronger than Decidueye (since they want it to be Greninja 2.0) so they made sure to do everything they possibly could to make it weak and unviable (like giving it the worst signature move of all time).

And they still managed to fuck it up. Truly, gamefreak is the worst game developer ever if they managed to fuck something so simple up. I lost faith in them.

>>30498180
>it's weak to ST so no reason to use it
This mentality.

>>30498159
Probably a falseflag.

>>30498132
>My bro got fucked over by Incognito Igneous
Now I know how Charizardfags felt for all those years.

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>Owlfags
Not even once.

>>30498218
>>it's weak to ST so no reason to use it
>cant even read
I bet you watch verlisify

>>30498234
This would've been so much funnier if the full move animation played out first.

>>30498142
I'm running a hail team with a jolly, max speed ivs sandslash and in hail it can outspeed pretty much everything. Can't say anything for Beartic though, but sandslash is definitely fast enough in the hail.

>>30498132
>Golisopod is invalidated by Stealth Rocks because of its typing AND ability, where every other pokemon are at least only invalidated by Stealth Rocks for just their typing
For fuck's sake.

Golisopod really need a hidden ability to fix this mistake.

>>30498212
piss off tranny

>>30498199
They don't but watching them talk shit Incineroar and Primarina on a daily basis gets fucking old

>>30498268
I'd rather they change Stealth Rock's mechanics. Having a hazard deal damage effected by type match-ups is stupid.

>>30498277
Honestly, I've only seen rampant shitting on the owl. I'm not really sure where all these terrible owlfags are that have everyone so riled up. I guess I only hopped on to /vp/ again recently after avoiding the pre-release stuff and datamines, so I'm sure I missed earlier stuff. And whatever happened soon after release.

>>30498268
I don't think its ability is that bad, considering that Golisopod has access to First Impression/Aqua Jet/Sucker Punch, but it makes it predictable and it's easy to force out after rocks.

Changing the mechanics so it activates at the end of the turn instead would be best.

Tapu Lele and Fini got Uber analysis??? Are they that fucking broken???

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>>30498315
>Honestly, I've only seen rampant shitting on the owl.

>>30498351
no
scizor and garchomp have ubers analysis
and there not broken

>>30498315

Look at any thread with an OP praising the owl. Dissonance on crazy levels going on in there and lord forbid you bring up Dhelmise.

>>30498351
I think it's more that they have a niche there.
Lele hits like a truck with Moonblast and Psychic Terrain cucks Extremekiller, and I'd imagine Fini's Misty Terrain works better in an environment where Dragons run rampant.

>>30497568
Literally 5/6 of my in-game team

Kek

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>>30498268
Defeatist

>>30498423
Is that a jovial kek of acceptance, or a sad kek of depression?

>>30498377
It amazes me at what lengths some would go to make others hate something and how easily some fall for it, does no one know what falseflagging means ? Unless the retards in those threads really are serious in which case they need help

>>30498315
Yesterday there were like 3 Prmarina shitting threads and 2 Incineroar shitting threads. The owlshitting is a direct result of those and owlfags posting a milion theads about Decidueye being OU and others being shitmons. It's just karma really

>>30498268
It would still be shit

>>30498454
I'm pretty sure the anons saying fur bait bara lion and tumblr tranny sealion are serious.

>>30498264
Then you have a mediocre 100 base attack with only 85BP and 50BP STAB. Easily beaten.
Should be a special Slush Rush user that can spam Blizzard.

>>30498366
>>30498377
I dunno what to tell you. The only thread I know of right now with owl praise in the OP is the one talking about how it's the starter that makes it the best fit for which ones go to everyone else. And that one's full of "Inceniroar is the best" and "lol numale owl." And I've got way too many fucking /vp/ tabs open right now trying to catch up on everything.

I loved all three designs since they leaked back in July and I thought they were too good for Gamefreak to have made. I've never really understood the bizarre hate I've been seeing for them here and there. It seemed to be mostly directed at Inceniroar early on, when I guess it was mostly "those fucking hands" and "another fucking Fire/Fighting" but now I'm seeing a lot more ironic shit posting about Primarina and cuck memes being attached to the owl.

Anyone shitting on Delmise is retarded, though.

>>30498457
I suppose that makes sense. I've been reflexively avoiding threads where the OP makes it obvious it was just flat out flame bait, so I guess I just blocked it out.

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>>30498457
>the day the base stats were leaked and owl fans were having breakdowns

Man that was a fun day

>>30498520
Decidueye should have been a fast mixed sweeper with a massive offensively oriented movepool and a damage boosting ability as its hidden ability, and you know it.

>>30498544
>wanting another sceptile just sucker punch bait edition

>>30498520
You mean after the original laurantis screenshots where everyone shat on the owl for being the slow one?

Then the base stats leaked and every other starter was even slower?

>>30498544
Heheheh....I was happy to see all the next greninja posting die quite honestly.

>>30498544
I guess so.
What a shame that's not what happened :)

>>30498510
Sandslash gets access to SD, so its attack can be fixed, but it is a pain to get a SD in because of that 4x fire weakness and shit special defense. It may just be me, but max attack (no atk boosted nature) icicle crash in hail usually is always a 2HKO (usually OHKO on neutral/se mons with an sd) on neutral mons.

I will admit though, a slush rush blizzard spammer would be nice.

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>>30498560
Primarina being slow was completely expected for me since it's an aquatic mammal on land. The tiger and owl on the owl tho...

>>30498600
oh well
Alolan sandsash is atleast usable compared to regular

its practically kabutops ice edition
it has what it needs
icicle crash iron head SD and earthquake
ice shard or bullet punch would have only been icing on the cake

>>30498513
I feel the same in that I think this is the best trio of starters.

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>>30498608
I honestly don't really know if those that were saying Primarina will be fast were falseflaggers or genuin stupid. It's a mermaid on land, what does it say fast ?

I was however expecting Incineroar to be slow considering the sheer body build of it. I'm just glad how BTFO's were patternfags that day.

>>30498683
Huh...eviolite torracat seems like a fun option to try on occasion

>>30498711
It's actually going to be great in PU once it gets HA.

>>30498683
Anyone have the estimated Cat stats from that one guy using muh patterns based calculations that gave it like 115 speed?

>>30498544
>An archer
>A sweeper
>Not a set up, a disabler, a trapper or just general back up.

Shit taste in strategy RPG classes. Absolute shit taste in weapon styling.

>>30497606
Literally who is this?

BARACATFAGS AND REDDITOWLFAGS BTFO EXISTENCE

PRIMARINA HAS BEEN PROVEN THE TRUE SUPERIOR STARTER THIS GEN

GET KEKED MOTHERFUCKERS

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>>30498815
>implying archers can't sweep

>>30498851

0 Atk Croagunk Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 150-176 (49.8 - 58.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

>>30498457
>owlfags posting a milion theads about Decidueye being OU
You really fucking fell for that obvious false flagging? How long have you been on the internet?

>>30498815
Idiot. Decidueye is explicitly modeled after lightning fast stealth archers that fires multiple perfect accuracy arrows in a single shot while being so blazingly mobile that nobody can see them coming until it's too late and they get an arrow right in their good eye.

Decidueye's stats being completely wrong for Decidueye's concepts, theme and design is a travesty.

>>30498890
You're kidding yourself if you think most of them weren't being serious

>>30498917
So are we reaching Dewott level of autism ?

>>30498907
No, its a 真面目なスナイパー。

>>30498868
And you post a shit archer at that.

>>30498451
I think it's more like a kek of momentary amusement and not giving a fuck. I don't know why you'd pick any pokemon in your in-game team based on anything but the design and how much you like it.

>>30497568
>Idiot. Decidueye is explicitly modeled after lightning fast stealth archers that fires multiple perfect accuracy arrows in a single shot while being so blazingly mobile that nobody can see them coming until it's too late and they get an arrow right in their good eye.

And his signature move is spirit shackle, a skill that prevents foes from escaping, while assumingly, decidueye takes his time calmly shooting from afar.

You're just wrong.

>making a pokemon based on nu-males
>its NU-worthy

In between trump goose and all the based jojo shoutouts I think its safe to say that game freak confirmed for bros!

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>>30497568
Ok who cares?

I like Decidueye but I certainly never expected it to be OU

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>>30498961
I hate him but the fujun yumi did nothing wrong

>>30498996
Because as we all know, all archers, real and fictional, takes their time to let their enemy get close and stab in the chest while they calmly get ready to shoot at them.

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>>30498907

I don't honestly give a fuck about tiers as long as they don't have Ledian stats and are usable.

>>30499085
how do you feel about wishiwashi?

>>30498961
I mean his character sucks but he's the best archer unit in any FE game thanks to his PRF

>>30499059
Still a huge difference between

>naruto-magic archer shoots you in the eye so fast with 50 arrows at once you don't even realize you're blind yet

And

>Archer shoots you in the leg so you can't run away while setting up the next shots

And decidueye is not designed after the first one, like anon proposes.

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>Smogon

>>30499108
Cucked by ability but there are a few ways to get around it like trick room(which still pisses me me off I can't extend) but more problematic is that fucking moveset. Move tutors can't come soon enough. I just want Superpower on my Lurantis HOPEFULLY

>>30498513
tumblrina got most of the flack back when those shitty design docs leaked for obvious reasons but incineroar copped a fair amount of flack too while nobody cared enough about the owl to comment on it. After they officially revealed them and they found out decidueye was arbitrarily ghost type the owlfags got really ornery and tried to force it as the next charizard and finding out it had absolute garbage for stats was the final straw and they've been on damage control ever since, shitting on not only the other ugly starters but also dhelmise and older starters.

It's pretty pathetic honestly

I don't understand how Decidueye not getting an initial OU analysis means it's not good enough to have an OU niche.
The majority of UU Pokemon have an OU niche.

Let's all be honest: a start being OU at all is really fucking rare. Gen 4 had all three of theirs in it at one point (although Torterra eventually dropped), but then after that we only had Speed Boost Blaziken (which got banned quickly) and Protean Greninja (which was also banned). Kanto starters don't count because you're using their Mega forms, not their actual base forms.

If anything, I think them remaining in UU would speak better to their roles than the hyper offense laden OU.

>>30499278
Gen 3 also had all 3 starters in OU (though I believe Sceptile might have just been BL, but fuck you that still counts)

>>30497993
Its biggest problem is its bulk like you said and the fact it doesnt get a recovery move. If it gets something like recover from move tutors in the future then it won't be anything to scoff at

>>30498544
It's literally your fault for deluding yourself that Decidueye should be a fast, mixed sweeper.

it fills the role of utility just fine. and there are other mons you can use for sweeping anyway.

>>30499302
I forgot about Swampert...yeah, that asshole was really important in Gen 3 and 4. Then Gen 5 nerfed Explosion so his bulk wasn't needed anymore.

ADV was a really weird generation though. A lot of it looks really crazy looking back on it now.

>>30497606
What a complete fucking bullshit analysis.
>Primarina isn't a hard counter to Hydregion. It can't switch into Iron Tail once without HP investment and can only reliably switch into Hydregion once with Max HP.
4 Atk Life Orb Hydreigon Iron Tail vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 125-148 (41.5 - 49.1%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
4 Atk Life Orb Hydreigon Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 125-148 (34.3 - 40.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
>The guy gave Primarina a fucking Resttalk set and perish song set, which will never be used. While Decidueye doesn't get a mention of its stall breaking set with SS/Toxic/roost/U-turn
>Decidueye is bumped down do to it become in competition with Dhelmise, but Primarina having dozens of other Pokemon if not outclass it that are already UU in XY, like Sylveon and Suicune.

>>30499490
Maybe instead of posting your thoughts on an anonymous Tibetan cave painting board, you should go to Smogon and post that

>>30499490
>Iron Miss

>>30497993
>OU staple
>Fini exists
Pick one

>>30499533
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/hydreigon/

>>30499611
>Iron Miss

>>30498885
>Croagunk
>0 HP/0 Def Primarina
>2HKO
>Not OHKO
>After Stealth Rock

YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT, IDIOT.

Primarina reigns supreme this gen, and you cannot tell me or prove me otherwise.

BARACATFAGS AND OWLFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH! OOOOH GET REKT

>>30499706
252 Atk Life Orb Toxicroak Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Primarina: 385-455 (105.7 - 125%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>30497568
It actually does have an OU niche though.

>bulky parting shot user with multiple type dependent niches for offense and defense
>no ou analysis ;)

>>30499756
Except it doesn't. At all.

>>30499706

This thread is not about your transexual starter, faggot. Just because archer owl and bara tiger are shit competitively doesn't mean you are our ally and Primarina the faggot sea lion magically ascends above the two. It is still shit and anyone who's fucking obsessed with it like (You) deserves to be impaled with a fucking knife, tied tight, and thrown into the ocean so you could join your mermaid faggot idol.

The tears of salty Owlfags are delicious.

>list of new pokemon not getting an OU analysis
>anything else not listed here is also not getting an analysis
???

>>30499829
>it's set to be a UU staple with it's godlike typing and highest attacking stat of any non-mega starter ever
>shit
Nope. Besides Gen 5, water starters have always been AMAZING at filling roles.

Both Gen 6 and 7 seem to have taken a more offensive role. (Samourott tried to be offensive but failed)

Stay mad bro.

Why the fuck wont GF make Ghost type version of IceBeam/ThunderBolt/Flamethrower?

>>30497606
Again, where can I find this thread?

>>30499947
They listed the ones that they knew scrubs were going to bring up.

>>30499965
Faggot alert. Enjoy your gay seal. You homosexuals make me sick. Whatever happened to this world and all of a sudden homosexuality is glorified and celebrated?

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>starter fags are still arguing about this shit

All of the starters are shit competitively. Use them in the main game if you want but don't pretend they can be in the same rank as actually strong Pokemon

>>30499533
>Steelium Z

>>30499947
There are more, the one getting analysis are there too.
This list is for the one than people think than got a niche, but they actually dont have one at all
The not listed in any list are the shit ones than even noobs know how bad they are, like the toucan

>>30500012
>Whatever happened to this world and all of a sudden homosexuality is glorified and celebrated?
You were born

>>30500016
But the owl and sea lion will fill good roles in UU. Maybe see small play in OU depending were everything settles.

We've had MUCH worse starters.

>>30500016
What is Greninja?

What is Speed Boost Blaziken?

Not all starters, stupid.

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>>30499115
>>30498961
>>30499054

>/vp/ knows Takumi is dogshit outside of Fujin Yumi

Better than any shitty FE general.

>>30500065
>Imply he's a faggot like myself, that'll get him.

I'm sorry but you're mistaken. I have no faggot fiber in my entire being.

Stop shoving your LBGT agenda on us.

And wrong move of Pokémon for introducing such blatant LBGT representation.

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>>30500021
>Z crystals in OU
>A singular Z move wasting your item slot just to make sure you can take out one fucking seal that will barely show up in OU
How about you just run a decent Hydreigon and fucking switch to something else when a fairy shows up?

>>30500016
>venusaur
>feralgatr
>blaziken
>swampert (gen v OU)
>infernape
>serperior
>greninja

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>>30497568
THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING

HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE NEXT GRENINJA

>>30500151

Stars will fix him!

>>30499247
This. I've used plenty of UU and RU with decent success in OU.

>>30500068
>We've had MUCH worse starters.
True. Meganium is outclassed by Servine in PU

>>30500147
I'm talking about the Alola ones

>>30497752
I think it's more let down by having no ability

>>30497568
The same site says that celesteela is not a problem also while decidueye is shit dhelmise and tsareena have uses on the tier, as does A-raichu with terrain support

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>>30497568
>Caring about some fanfiction format Game Freak will never acknowledge

Why is Decidueye bad?

>>30500207
Typlosion is very bad too.

If g8r didn't get Sheer Force, Gen 2 would just be abysmal for starters.

>>30500233
This. Greninja would just be semi decent without Protean despite good coverage and stats.

Decidueye is screwed because, while its coverage is great, its stats are a bit crippling and the lack of a decent HA really hurts it

>>30497610
Its not anon i would rather run celesteela

>>30498180
>loses 1/4 on entry
>any 4HKO move forces it out
>any 2HKO move kills it instantly since it is forced out and will lose 1/4 again to reenter
but it's got a good signature move lol

>>30500279
t. Verlis

Of course idiots like (You) wouldn't care about a much more balanced meta.

Enjoy your VGC with players who have at least five common Pokémon in their team

>>30500287
>slow low damage mixed attacker with bad defensive typing and no utility moves

gee anon I do wonder

>>30497694
Would rather play dhelmise Man

Stars will fix Decidueye and Incineroar. Screencap this, fags.

>>30500331
>implying Smogon doesn't have the same 6 mons everytime
Cocksuckers can't be expected to understand irony.

>>30497568
>first popular grass starter
>GF fucks it up completely
they did it on purpose, they don't want grass starters to succeed (unless they're from gen of course)

>>30498216
Kek. This level salt should be illegal.

>>30498216
>since they want it to be Greninja 2.0
How the fuck do you figure this? If they really wanted it to be Greninja 2.0 then they would've did so. I also think Greninja being as viable as he is was not intentional. Greninja just happened to get an ability that was really good combined with its movepool and speed tier. Ninjas and Water types are versatile too so its movepool being so diverse comes off as no surprise to me.

>>30500333
Bueno Numeros

I don't really know much about decidueye

>>30497924
I would rather not play 2 Water mons and go with fini using other SP. Atk mon that has higher power and speed than primarina

>>30500287
It's got "jack-of-all-trades but master of none" stats and a pretty lame HA

Its moveset is good enough if it were a fast attacker but it doesn't quite work for it

>>30500333
This is bait

>>30500371
*gen one

>>30497965
This only the owlfags are complaining like little mugs

>>30500368
No, we don't use the same mons, pussy warts.

Of course you wouldn't know because pussies like you are too scared of Smogon tiers.

>Stealth Rock Still not banned
>despite it completely invalidating multiple pokemon and types

Rapid Spin is shit and most pokemon who have rapid spin are shit

>>30500333
>no utility moves
?

How much of smongo's OU isn't legendaries/pseudos/megas?

>>30500331
>Unironically playing on a fucking simulator instead of the actual game

>>30500434
>invalidating

what mons would be OU viable without pebbs

>>30498907
I think he is more of a long range Archer does not move much but gives his team support on uu

>>30500331
>Of course idiots like (You) wouldn't care about a much more balanced meta.

hoo boy. if you think 6vs6 singles is more balanced then VGC/doubles then i don't know what to tell you. the fact that smogon finds so many problems and things that are "overpowered" should say a lot.

game freak doesn't balance the game around singles. that's why you end up with dumb shit like baton pass and "muh stealth rock ruins my bro!!!" being common smogon talk.

>>30500446
>implying we cannot apply the GOAT SMOGON TIERS in the actual games

>>30500434
Except a ton of good Pokemon learn Defog.

>invalidating
Kek, no it doesn't. Volcarona takes half coming in and is still a HUGE OU threat.

You should have complained about Talonflame invalidating multiple Pokemon and types. It's dead now thankfully.

>>30500116
Dont run hydreigon on OU

>>30498062
Lol a fire blast from a garchomp with hasty/naive nature won't get it down below 30%

Also Ninetales is way fucking faster.

If you're gonna argue with "muh scarf" why the fuck is your scarf-chomp carrying fireblast you shithead.

>>30500475

It is more balanced, stupid. How can you be stuck in the denial stage?

Give up, anon. SMOGON IS THE SUPERIOR META

>>30500475
>VGC is more balanced
>we got Mega Fug the meta this year after 2 years of Mega Khanga the meta
In VGC everyone use the same fucking team, maybe change 1-2 mons there and call a day

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>>30500480
>Playing with fake rules

>>30499566
Fini is PU trash with that ability.

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>>30498961
Takumi is crap.
Leo is better bro.
Nohr < Hoshido

>>30500588
>It didn't.

Did you happen to play early Gen 6 OU anon?

>>30498296
Great, another retard that thinks typing is all...

>>30500611
When everyone was shit and didn't know how to handle a fucking Agislash?

also
>geodude used rock throw

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>>30500111

>>30500588
>Name 6
Tapu Fini
Scizor
Skarmory
Latios/Latias (bonus one for you!)
Gliscor
Zapdos

There's plenty more too. Some in ubers though.

>>30498427
What was the point of that ability, anyway? It was just kind of a blatant middle finger to anyone who wanted the cool dino-bird.

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>>30497568

>Golisopod
>Salazzle
>Silvally
>Raichu, Surge Surfer + Nasty Plot.

>>30500662
He won't reply to this post.

He lost KEK

>>30500636
I was just wondering if you've actually ever played against a talonflame since you seem to think it didn't have a large impact on the Gen 6 meta.

And TFlame is double weak to SR despite being one of the most-used mons of Gen 6.

>>30500588
>>30500662
BTFO

>>30500636
Natural Gift Liechi Berry
:^)

Say what you want.
It OHKOs Suicune.

>>30500662
its still obnoxious as fuck

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Starter fan faggotry power levels:

1. Primarina.
Easily both the most insecure and outright hostile. Constantly tries to pretend their starter is much stronger than it really is because "Muh Water/Fairy!". Most likely to try to shit on the other starters and screech at their fans, with such wonders as the tear drinking Brionne and suicide encouraging Primarina images. Jinxed the entire gen to be slow through sheer force of owl speed shitposting. Possibly SJWs. Definitely furfags.

2. Decidueye.
"Muh Greninja 2.0!" As early as the initial leaks owlfags were calling it the only decent design, insisting it would be the strongest and have lightning speed. Started this mess by bullying the others, though their smugness was nothing compared to how insane sealfags would end being. Will always post player statistics to prove their favorite is the best and Primarina is the worst, and get super defensive when Dhelmise is brought up. Some of them just like the Grass/Ghost archer owl concept and are willing to admit its flaws though.

3. Incineroar.
Once composed of obnoxious catfags, quite a few seem to have jumped ship to the other normalfag choice after it became a biped and resembled the dreaded Fire/Fighting. Now the catfags are roughly split between baracunts/furfags and people who just like the tiger wrestler. Guilty of speed shitposting during the initial leaks and got btfo the hardest when Torracat's high speed did a 180 upon evolving. Most likely to accept their starter's weakness.

>>30500785
too long
didn't read

>>30500785
>muh higher neutral ground
Fuck off with your assumptions

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>>30500371
>first popular grass starter
Wrong

>>30500813
>posts the most unpopular starter of gen 4
Should have posted Serperior instead.

>>30500785
t. owlfag

>>30500600
Fini would be RU at best.

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>>30500371
wtf have you even connected your games to the internet before?

>>30499566
>>30500600
>>30500844
>fini anything but OU
Fucking kek.

So many shitters on /vp/

>>30500447
TALONFLAME

ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR WHY'D THEY NERF MY BRO WHO I TOTALLY LIKE BECAUSE OF NON-COMPETITIVE REASONS

>>30500447
Volcarona. Actual OU with sneaky pebbles gone rather than BL.

>>30500926
it'll be OU this gen

the problem was brib, not rocks

it was an OU threat in gen 5

>>30500813
>the most unpopular starter
>in the most disliked gen
What?

>>30500886
>literally no recovery outside of leftovers or a berry
>not even REST
NU, take it or leave it.

Decidueye = UU with niche in OU
Incineroar = RU, will gain a niche in UU when it gets Intimidate
Primarina = RU

>>30500475
>game freak doesn't balance the game around singles
Gamefreak doesn't balance the game at all.

>>30500799
Basically he said that he's a Decifag and everyone else sucks.

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>>30500475
lol

>>30501016
>Decidueye = UU with niche in OU
Even that's a bit much. Decidueye is extremely situational even with it's HA it doesn't help that it's also somewhat frail.

>>30499278
Contrary Serperior was OU, wasn't it?

>>30499379
>Regice was OU in Gen III
>Gen IV kicked it all the way down to NU
>>30500116
Steelium Z Hydreigon will probably be a legit set in UU, just like Grassium Z Heatran in OU. It lures out Fairies like no one's business.

>>30500975
>570 base stats
>massive bulk with near broken typing AND respectable offenses
>get haze, calm mind, a mildly fast taunt, AND FUCKING DEFOG
MAYBE it drops to UU. Literally can't go lower.

>>30501110
>being the bulkiest and best defogger is "extremely situational"

>>30501016
>RU
fucking kek

if it drops to RU it'll be instabaned with that offensive pressure

>>30501119
You will probably only see Porygon Z with Z crystal

Maybe persian occasionally
I don't think anyone else could run Z crystals

>>30497568
Oh man my owl who totally wasn't the exact requirements for UU isn't miraculously going to OU and because of that it automatically means that it now somehow has no use anywhere anywhere else boo hoo watch me totally weep tears and not shit post sarcastically boo hoo, man all these totally owlfags who constantly shit posted it's OU are totally the real deal too man oh man how crushed could we be?

>>30498048
It's not a good trapper/defogger if it dies before it can trap/defog. Especially considering that the trap can't be passed on.
The only thing about the cat is that if it gets intimidate, it becomes pretty bulky. Though I agree that throat chop is wasted potential when only 2 mons get the move. The cat will probably run lariat for better STAB or just knock-off for utility

>>30501146
>the bulkiest and best defogger
You're kidding, right?

>>30501146
>>being the bulkiest and best defogger
AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


AHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAAH

O LORD THAT'S A FUCKING GOOD ONE

AHAHAAHHAHAAH

>>30501146
this is bait

>>30501146
eviolite gligar is a better defoger lmao

and it's RU

>>30501173
Power Herb Heatran was a lure that people used in Gen VI, and Bloom Doom Heatran is a direct upgrade to that. Obviously it won't be used on teams that already have Porygon-Z-Conversion, Z-Parting Shot, or Z-Rain Dance Manaphy lined up, but as far as actual attacking Z-moves go Bloom Doom Heatran is one of like, three and a half that will actually be viable in OU. Fairium Magearna also seems to be worth it for that Soul Heart boost.

>>30500872
>>30500404
also being good competitively doesn't make up for the fact Venusaur is still the less popular Kanto starter

>>30497610
I've never seen any player get worked on by Decidueye.

>>30499984
it's from smogon VIP area. Only oldfags and rich kids can afford to post there.

>>30498544
I'll enjoy OHKOing your hard work with sucker punch

>>30501173
Plenty of Pokemon can use Z moves to get past checks.

>>30501146
Nigger do Gliscor and Zapdos not exist in your tiny little brain?

>>30500075
is smogon using the starters with HAs? I thought they made HA shit illegal until it came out in the actual games.

>>30498559
>Sceptile
>Movepool

Good one mate.

>>30501237
Gligar is UU btw

>>30498234
Why would you use a Grass Z move for it when it has the option of either the Ghost or it's own unique Z Move?

>>30501016
Incineroar is a doublesmom, same as Alola Raichu.

>>30501363
Once it gets intimidate it'll be UU

Its just like Feraligatr use to be potential locked behind unavailable HA

>>30498216
they are trying to revive the Pikachu Hype

expect Ash-Pikachu to get a brand new second ability that makes Light Ball pointless.

Just Battle Bond+Light Ball would make it the strongest glass cannon.

>>30497610
And here's the obligatory "Decidueye is OU" anon of the day guys.

>>30501354
meant to say the owl will be RU

as a defoger (it's only good role) it gets completely outclassed by gligar and manfibuzz (and maybe even crobat)

>>30497698
What's the best Lunala set? I use Moongeist Beam/Focus Blast/Calm Mind/Roost and it worked out amazingly. She was tanking Moonblast after Moonblast from Xerneas like it was nothing.

>>30501439
Considering the defog options in UU theres no reason using something different with gligar ,Crobat ,mandibuzz and empoleon
Flygon wont be a defog user anymore thanks to dragon dance
Owl Is barely a good defogger

>>30500446
>playing the game with its slow-ass animations
Have fun whenever a Celesteela comes in.

>>30498868
Takumi can't sweep. He's there if you really want something to die.

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>>30497568
>Guzzlord in UU or below
It's going to be hilarious seeing this monster be so shit

>>30501635
Flygon won't be a good Dragon Dancer until Zygarde 10% gets sent to BL.

Just because a Pokemon does decent in OU doesn't make it OU. Remember when Rhyperior became used more in ORAS OU? Decidueye might be usable in OU but that doesn't make it OU.

http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/rhyperior/

>>30501146
Again, 78/75/100 is NOT bulky at all. Braviary is a better bulky defogger because it at least gets access to bulk up, and he's faster than Decidueye too by 10 points. And that's just my own personal preference of bird. There's even better defoggers like Zapdos and Gliscor.

When will this "Decidueye has massive bulk" meme end?

>>30501635
>Flygon wont be a defog user anymore thanks to dragon dance
Flygon will still be used for defog. Much like Garchomp, it can just be used to fill any role you need.

>>30501253
Actually scratch that three and a half bit, I forgot about Z-Fly Landorus and Hyper Beam On Everything 2: Breakneck Blitz.

I predict a rise in Protect usage in Singles, cockblocking a Z-move for just 25% damage is the second-most satisfying thing to do in the game after Protecting on a Normal Gem-boosted Explosion from something you could've OHKOed but would've outsped you had you tried

>>30501709
Brongzong is RU and preforms amazing in Ubers.

>>30501331
Huh? Not the Alolan ones. HA starters for other gens have been around for years.

>>30501717
It won't end until Decidueye's place in the metagame becomes objective fact and has more than enough proof to back that up. Then we'll probably be subjected to salty threads made by Decidueyefags crying about how they "deserve" to be the best or some shit.

>>30497852
Oh Primarina fans don't have to do that. Decidutards are doing that well enough on their own.

>>30501709
Most of the times this is a fucking GOOD thing. This means you could use your favorites in MORE formats. Do you hate your favorites that much that you restrict it to be only used in 1 tier?

>>30497568
>anything in this list not getting analysis
>everything else not getting analysis

so no gen 7 mons are getting an OU analysis?

>>30498041
Wait till the bank update arrives in January.
>Garchomp used iron head

>>30501817
It's still faster.

>>30501817
Ninetails can't OHKO Garchomp?

>>30497924
>key coverage
>psychic and energy ball

senpai

>>30500434
I bet you're the same person that also bitches about "muh cancerous stall"

>>30498091
I've never noticed any fanbase ruining anything. every starter has a "fanbase" that calls the other starters worse. I hear people complaining about owlfags more than I ever see owlfags

do you guys browse reddit or something because I'm not seeing anything here

>>30501817
Ninetales outspeeds Garchomp, same for Scarfetales.

>>30498216
shut up. incineroar is what they want to be greninja 2.0

>>30501016
Primarina's probably solid UU.

I don't see Incineroar ever being used over Arcanine in UU unless it gets a buffed moveset, stuff like Knock Off and the like. VGC is probably where it'll shine if ever it gets Intimidate.

I know you all can't read, and that Smogon suffers from retardation, but this says that no 7th gen pokes are getting OU analysis.

>>30498216
>>30501937
You're both retarded. Clearly Mimikyu is what they want to be Greninja 2.0

>>30501894
Then you're just fucking blind and should go see an eye doctor about glasses.

>>30499984
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sun-moon-uu-speculation-and-discussion-thread.3587419/

other guy is memeing

>>30501953
That's what happens when every Gen VII pokemon has less than 70 base speed

>>30501953
There's another list above the "no analyses" one, numbnuts. This list is for shitmons that people think are good, no need to list the shitmons that people think are shit.

>>30501335
Grass STAB/Dragon Pulse/Focus Blast/Hidden Power is already solid. You could even run a mixed version with Earthquake EV'd precicely to oneshot Heatran since it's so frail anyway. A higher power fire move is the only thing it could ask for.

>Sandslash isn't getting an analysis
I thought I could be a decent bulky, but I guess not. What other pokemon can do better?

>>30500475
>ban stuff that makes it unbalanced
>IT'S LESS BALANCED

??

>List of Pokemon that are not getting SM OU analyses
>Raichu-Alola
why tho

>>30502126
It's weak to the three most common types in OU

>>30500578
2014 I think was a really varied meta. It just went to shit because they let Genies/Cress in next year and then legendaries the year after.

>>30502004
no read it again

>anything listed is not getting an analysis
>also anything not listed is not getting an analysis

that means fucking nothing is getting one

>>30502176
>ground

um what else?

>>30502587
Dark, Fairy, and Ghost I think. You don't know that Alolan-Raichu is Electric/Psychic, do you?

>>30502587
Dark and Ghost.

>>30502587
You can't be this disingenuous

I'm pretty sure A-Raichu gets OHKO by everything in OU that can run Sucker Punch, and I know for a fact this thing dies immediately to any decent Bug and Ghost move

>>30502638
Ignore the Fairy part. I keep thinking Fairy is super effective towards Psychic.

>>30502651
>disingenious

oh aren't you are smarty-pants?

>>30502638
of course I know, I was asking a question. I didn't realize dark and ghost were so bug in this meta

>>30503014
>disingenuous
That's a word you learn in high school my man. I'm pretty sure you're still in it, so you'll figure out more "big" words like that eventually

bump limit?

>>30503366
A testament to how much Decidueyefags want their shit owl to be good.

>>30501937
>lets make Greninka 2.0 slower than its pre-evo

>>30498030
Ninetales has fast 1 turn dual screen, can interrupt weather, and OHKO a lot of rain mons.

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At least we aren't that bad, right?

>>30503074
doesn't matter where you learn it, you have to be an autist to go around calling people shit like "disingenious"