/vgcg/ VGC 2017 General

>>30466303
please tell me pic related isn't the current state of our meta

>>30466303
I haven't kept up with the meta because I like to enjoy the game casually on a first playthrough. Can someone explain this team?

How's the meta looking so far?

>>30466354
Dude trick room and eruption torkoal lmao

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I wanted a physically bulky specially offensive pure water tank for my team and didn't want to use Vaporeon. How does this look? He's used against ground types, Marowak, and others that threaten my Tapu Koko-Raichu core. Against Marowak, I usually pair him with a tanky Garchomp.

Silvally-Water @ Water Memory
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 140 HP / 180 Def / 188 SpA
Bold Nature
- Surf
- Parting Shot
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

>>30466303
HEALTHY META

Whats so good about Drampa? Is Oranguru's one move good enough to make it cancerous? Why use both Torkoal and Gigalith?

I havent got the games myself im just trying to figure out how the meta has changed.

>>30466525
Instructing your strongest Pokémon to go twice is like having two of it

>>30466525
Drampa has cloud nine and has coverage against steel, dragon and fairy.

>>30466448
is it worth not having an item essentially

>>30466607
Eh, I'd like leftovers, but I'm using that on Celesteela anyways. He's bulky as hell though. I would've gone Toxapex for some self-recovery if I wan't already stupidly weak to ground. My biggest complaint is that he could do more damage, but I'm not sure I want to steal any more from his defenses.

How can I contact Aaron Zheng? How much would it cost to ask him to make me team with Nihilego?

>>30466448
What do the EVs do?

>>30466977
He can take hits like a champ, but his offensive output is lacking. I originally had full investment in HP/DEF, but he had no offensive presence. I've been tinkering since then and testing. The higher Def than HP has been working well, but I'm not sure if I should add more into SpA. I haven't run calcs; this is all anecdotal.

>>30466303
I can't decide if I hate Mimikyu or Oranguru more. Both are incredibly cheap TR setters.

Why does paralysis suck so many dicks in this generation? Everything I paralyze with Magnezone that is decently fast (from Tapu Lele to Nihilego, not even talking about shit like scarf or Aerodactyl) still outspeeds me literally every time even after para. Everything else is too slow to paralyze and/or usually a TR abuser.

>>30467248
What arw mimikyuu movesets? I Wana build a team after the dex

>>30467274
Paralysis was nerfed to a 1/2 speed cut instead of 1/4
Confusion was nerfed to a 33% chance of self damage instead of 50%
Burn was nerfed (or buffed if you run Guts) to 1/16 chip damage per turn instead of 1/8.

>>30466448
Surf is an ass move, you'll probably get more KO's on yourself than the opponent, if it's a offensive bulky water type you want just go with Milotic.

>>30467343
Eh, I have enough protect on my team that it hasn't been a problem, and the ones that don't have it can generally afford to absorb surf. Being STAB super effective against Mudsdale and especially A-Wack is too useful.

>>30466797
Help.

>>30466303
Lately everything happens to have a scarf for no reason. I out speed this Pokemon, nope they have a scarf.
I saw scarf smeargle with spore, scarf outrage garchomp, scarf kartana, scarf lele, the list goes on and on.
What with all these scarfs? Is it to just counter Nihilego?

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>run specific EVs to avoid 2HKO from Garchomp's Earthquake with Arcanine
>"Garchomp used Tectonic Rage!"
>run Assault Vest on Hariyama to avoid Pelipper to KO
>"Pelipper used Supersonic Skystrike!"
>invest in Sp. Def on Bulu to deal with Lele better
>"Tapu Lele used Shattered Psyche!"
>weaken Cancerturtle to survive an Eruption
>"Torkoal used Inferno Overdrive!"

I'm just going 252/252/4 on everything.

>>30467661
I faced a guy who used fucking Pyukumuku.
Soaked my Celesteela and his Tapu Bulu used Bloom Doom.

Low ladder gimmicks maybe, but I did not see that coming.

>>30467576
>outrage Garchomp
Try advancing past ELO hell for once

>>30467661
This makes me frustrated but also happy since there's so many so many sets for each mon

>>30467661
And people were saying Z-moves will be worthless. Yeah in 6v6 maybe, but 3v3 or Doubles, hello Gems, it's been a while even do they're still inferior to the actual Gems.

>>30467951
They're inferior only if you want acrobatics, otherwise these things even let you bypass protect.

>>30467951
Z-moves aren't worthless in singles, there are just less viable ones.

i have a careful celesteela, where to put my evs?

>>30467968
They can chip kill weakened pokemon protecting, but there are lots of other reasons youd protect.

wtf araquanid is meta? why?

>>30468024
This. But there are some outliers.

Mirror Move-Z gives you a free Swords Dance
Conversion-Z is +1 to all stats. Wich is amazing

>>30468094
Torkoal counter.
Pelipper can do this too by bringing rain and gimping Torkoal. Just have it in the back and send it in after Torkoal hits the field.

>>30466427
dude roar lmao

>>30468072
EHI

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>>30466303
>Torkoal has gone from nobody to nightmare
>fucking TORKOAL

Sorry about your meta /vgcg/, but god damn.

>>30466525
Drampa has reliable recovery, a fuckhuge s.atk stat, coverage and a spread move.

Both it's abilties are viable as well, Berserk is great for puncing holes since it also gets reliable recovery in Roost and it can keep giving +1 s.atk repeatedly. Cloud Nine just negates weather altogether and is a easy way of shutting down the many weather teams.

Torkoal and Gigalith is because Torkoal can only function with it's weather wheras Gigalith works both in and out of Sand perfectly fine and beats Torkoal teams.

>>30468179
This is why I don't like restrictive metas, way too many shitmons become good just because their counters aren't avaliable.

>>30466797
You could twitter him for starters

>>30468260
Yeah, better play the genies, cresselia and heatran meta for the 5th time.

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>>30468099
Can you Mirror Move copy Z-Moves?

>Z-Mirror Move Z-Splash
>+5

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>>30468260
THATS RIGHT! WHERE IS MY PRIMAL GROUDON META GAMEFREAK??? REEEEEEE

>>30468260
Yeah, let's bring back Primal Groudon and the Genies, right ? Holly shit, swallow your tounge, ORAS's Meta was the thing that made me nearly quite competitive. Whoever had the bright idea with Mega Ray was clealy drunk.

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>>30468260
>meta gets diversity instead of being the same stable of ubers every season

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>>30468179
I'm guessing a few more weeks and people will start dropping Torkoal a bit.
Then the meta will go back to Cancerwaifu.

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>>30468336
>there are people who didn't skip both 2015 and 2016

>>30468351
But it just goes divergent into its own stable of ubers relative to its restrictions.

I can't believe Celesteela, she manages to stall me even when I have 3 pokèmon left.

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>>30468336
>meloetta and phione banned
>item clause because without it the meta is "too centralized"
>primal groudon and mega fug are a-ok

>>30468417
Gf doesn't due tiers. I don't want to see vgc '16. Except nips being blown the fuck out. That's hilarious.

>>30468373
how do you ev celesteela?

YA4G-WWWW-WWW2-6U4Y

I'm sorry

>>30467951
Smogonfag here, Z-Moves are also ridiculously strong in 6v6, giving one of your mons ability to nuke a wall it normally couldn't or setting up with something like Z-Weather (+1 Speed), Z-Hypnosis (+1 Speed) or Z-Celebrate & clones (+1 everything). Normally not a fan of Smogon's banhappiness, but everything being able to beat everything makes a bad meta and I hope they'll wise up and quickly remove this entire mechanic instead of its abusers, lest they end up with extremely bloated BL lists.

Can I get some advice on this team?
http://pastebin.com/A5WhBMyB
I'm testing it right now on smogon, but the only times I've lost were when I didn't include a ub and another time when the team had a meme porygon2.
>>30468476
Depends alot of people are running it support annoyer with leech seed wide guard giga drain and heavy slam iirc. In my set it's av sp.atk with heavy slam for coverage because it's gotta be on anyone's steel waifu.

>>30468500
How do you watch these?

>>30468505
>remove this mechanic instead of its abusers
too late, it's already begun

>The LC council has voted, and Porygon is banned from Little Cup. The council had already unanimously decided that there was an issue with the Pokemon but were initially unsure of how to handle it. After some lengthy discussion, the majority of the council had decided that banning the Pokemon itself was the proper approach because banning Conversion would set an unhealthy precedent for future votes.

>>30468526
festival plaza pc in sophocle's castle.

>>30468513
i want to buil an annoyer, i have careful nature, but i really don 't know where to put evs, 252 hp and?

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>>30466303
Please tell me this gaggle of shitmons isn't what our Meta looks like right now

>>30468291
>>30468351
Variety is very bad for competitive Pokemon. I would much rather have CHALK be the meta than running shitmons because this dex consists of terrible Pokemon with a few good ones.

>>30468552
It baffles me that the issue for you isn't that the two teams are literally the same, but instead that they are "shitmons". So if it was the usual thing of two primals, a mega and a genie it'd be a-ok for you?

>>30468552
Yeah dude where are my genies and primals wtf

>>30468552
>>30468560
What's the difference? Aside you being pissed off and not being able to use proud of their power legendaries and having to learn what every pokémon does.

If everything is scaled down, in their own ecosystem, the "shitmons" are strong and dangerous.

I can't believe some of the people ITT.

How dare some underutilized "shitmon" get their time in the sun, right?

Don't worry, the Bank is back in 2 months. Then you can play your genies and Cresselia again.

>>30468575
Because it's too much bullshit. Instead of knowing what to calc for you have to take in account EVERYTHING.

Z-Moves are also fucking gay. At least you knew wich Megas/Primals were in the Meta. With Z-moves? Like >>30467661 said. Some mon will suddenly pull a Z-move out of its ass and blow up the mon you FUCKING EV'd TO COUNTER THAT.

This is bullshit and you know it.
This VGC will be utter shit.

A stale meta is healthy.
A varied one isn't

If you weren't a sub 1500 shitter you'd know this.

I want to start playing in VGC but I don't know how to start, any tips /vp/? Would appreciate a lot.

>>30468551
Have you checked your ivs? Are you genning if so I really don't care . breeder? If so you may want to lean toward a slower Celesteeela. The meta is supportive (for the moment) of trick room shenanigans and having a super slow mon can fuck up their day. Mudsdale can still outslow her but isn't a threat to her specifically. Keep in mind H-Horsepower is a single target move that can make wide guard useless.

What's your team building around or with Celesteela. Who Celesteela is supporting might determin how to use her best.

>>30468505
>everything being able to beat everything makes a bad meta
no

>>30468513
>http://pastebin.com/A5WhBMyB
AV Celesteela is interesting, let me know how it works after you test it a bit.
Marowak is standard
I like bulky gyarados over speed gyarados but I guess that's a preference thing. I don't know how often you're getting statused by waterium-z can give you key KO's.
>banded garchomp with roar
lol. consider groundium-z to hit muk under wide guard/grassy terrain, rocky helmet to punish physical attackers more (and run HP), or flamethrower/fire blast to OHKO kartana and pheromosa +deal solid chunk to celesteela. if you're intent on a switch forcer I would probably run dragon tail instead of roar.
run life orb instead of specs on nihilego. she has enough sp.a and her movepool is so varied that you need to be able to switch between it. plus the only time she's taking a hit and living is with focus sash so 10% health means nothing.

Who are meta special attackers? I'm using porygon-2 right now but I want a dedicated special attacker. I don't want to use a tapu or ninetales.

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>>30468614
>A stale meta is healthy.
>A varied one isn't
>If you weren't a sub 1500 shitter you'd know this.
All I see is "WAAAH WAAAAH THIS MAKES ME LOSE SO IT'S BAD ;_;7".

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>>30468614
>literally defending pic related
I'm glad Gamefreak fucked you shitters over

>>30468552
>waah why does this gay little pikachu doll beat my big angry dragon!!!111
underage tears is why i'm loving this meta right now

>>30468644
hack

Don't be a loser and breed.
You need to hack to stay competitive.
I'm not trying to be an asshole here, but it's the only way.

>>30468645
oranguru(trick room), ninetails, marowack, tapu lele, drampa.

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>>30468614

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>>30468505
>but everything being able to beat everything makes a bad meta

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>>30468665
OMG WHY DO BOTH SIDES HAVE AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF ROOKS AND PAWNS.

WOW CHESS IS SHIT LMAO

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@30468614
not ever worthy of a (You)

>>30468665
THANK YOU GENIES for ruining everything.

>>30468671
ninetales in a trick room team?

>>30468667
The issue I have is which mons are the best, that was my question more or less.

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>>30468614
>there are people with this kind of mentality

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>>30468685
Did you just compare pokemon to fucking chess

why aren't people using aegislash

>>30468695
yes, i use him with oranguru in the lead, they work good

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>>30468685
>comparing Pokemon to chess
Congratulations, you're officially more autistic than that anon who admitted to LARPing as Pokemon earlier today

>>30468666
I'm 20 years old

>>30468724
cant in vgc. alola dex only, not pokemon you can get in game.

>>30468724
Although it is in sun and moon, it is not in the alola dex

>>30468712
You want a stable meta to have a healthy meta. An explosive and wild meta is shit because outplaying your opponent is much harder due to random shitmons and bullshit Z-moves. Eat a dick

>>30468721
Are blind?

>>30468728
I am comparing a healthy game to a game with nonsense everywhere. CHALK made Pokemon more like chess. You knew the pieces and moves the opponent had. Now it's all a wild guess, and it's NOT healthy.

how do i make babbies first team for 3 v 3s

>>30468758
>3v3 singles
don't

>>30468756
yeah, so healthy it made half of the playerbase drop out of the competitive
just kys my man

>>30468769
but it's the only ranked singles mode

>>30468756
If i wanted to play chess I'd play fucking chess.
Also you're confusing easy with healthy and using an entirely different game to justify your point

>>30468756
I think Smogon is your environment not VGC. Feel free to leave any time.

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so, in the midst of shitflinging and rage, can someone tell me how you'd run rocketwaifu? this things stats and movepool have me stumped. it can basically run everything. a lot at least. wich is fine for showdown, but im at the quest to catch these fuckers in my moon playtrough so i have to get the ntures right(have synchro abras)

>>30468769
what should i make then

>>30468758
3v3 singles is shit, unfortunately. It's pretty hard to make your pokémon cover each other when the number is odd.

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>>30468756
>game has 800 playable characters
>let's limit it down to 5 mandatory ones and 1 "wild card" so it can be "more like chess"
stop ruining pokemon

>>30468659
It still has roar? Geez. I've just been abusing poison jab and eq. Gyarados is fast to roar tr setters and harambe. This is why chomp had it too, a back-up. I just never swapped the move after banding it.

Av Steela is a beast. Max hp, typing, and the vest on already solid defenses keeps it in against anything except Marowak-a unchecked. So far so good. Having a quiet nature means it can rack up boosts and heal with Giga Drain and threaten tr setters.

Tapus are part of the meta now. It's a thing. Nihlego is a great anti-meta leaving a string of dead Marowak and Tapu in it's wake. It's got a diverse movepool to exploit and a decent base sp.atk/spe.

Drampa is the old man who wants you off his fucking lawn. Strong sp.atk and movepool. But needs support in a fairy/water (see:ice) strong meta. Instruct harambe/grampa is a meme.

Pelipper is getting some use but in an electric strong meta have marowak to draw the thunder. A ground user in the back row helps too.

I can't think of any other sp.atk users off the top of my head.

>>30468742
>>30468747
angery

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>He thinks Smogonbird is dead

>>30468807
> a competitive game should have a whole bunch of bullshit in it to appease to my manchild tastes

grow up.

>>30468756
Have you even talked to anyone else other then with your own ego, you faggot ? Everybody agrees VGC 2015-2016 was one of the WORST years this format has ever had and I agree entirely.

>>30468756
I understand your argument. A centralised meta means that player skill is what is most important.
What you're missing is that people play to have fun and not just to win so there being only one team worth using makes things extremely dull and boring to play.

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>>30466303
So with bank coming in, will non alola forms be legal? Technically they're the same species and in the dex.

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>>30468844
>a game with thousands and thousands of possible combinations should only be limited to this one possible combination because my dumb pea-brain can't handle any more variables

>>30466303
Suddenly a peliper joined the fight!

>>30468351
This one will centralize soon, probably even worse than before.

The difference is that in the likes of VGC15 there are more pokemon that can fill a niche in your team.

I want a Lightning Rod user that isn't weak to water in VGC17. Go ahead and tell me an alternative. Pikachu? lol

>>30468860
At least someone is willing to actually argue here..
I get it, but at the same time I don't.
When you enter a tournament you want to know what to counter and how to play around it. I have plenty "for fun" mons. But that's for fucking around with friends. In a tournament setting this is not great.

>>30468877
seaking
togedemaru

>>30468728
OWO wats this???

>>30468854
'15 was great you fucking memer. '17 is going to be solved almost as fast as '16 so if all you care about is muh diversity you better fuck off now

>>30468801
if you want to play singles play smogon 6v6 on showdown, and i say this as somone who hates smogshit with passion

believe me i tried to like 3v3 for years, but it's impossible to enjoy a format where every single match is decided the moment you pick your 3 pokemon

4v4 doubles > 6v6 singles > 4v4 rotations >>>> everything else >>>> hitler and satan >>>> 3v3 singles

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Why is nobody running Toxakeks

>>30468911
t.Landorus

Where can I get a list of all the changes to older Pokemon? For example I didnt know about the new ability for torkoal and didnt see it mentioned anywhere.

>>30468950
A passive wall like that is shit in doubles.

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>>30468844
>"competitive" Pokemon
just because we like to delude ourselves by calling it that way doesn't mean the game is actually competitive in the same fashion chess, sports or even most MOBAs are

VGC is just a glorified advert event to push overpriced merch on autistic (man)children and raise brand awareness, nothing more nothing less

>>30468950
No offensive presence

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>>30468963

>>30468834
i just wish they released flying gem already

i'd love to try out talonflame with FG acrobatics, even if I'm aware it won't be half as good as gen 6 smogonbirb

>>30468950
toxapex is a singles pokemon

>people forget that wide guard and peliper are a thing

And thats how you make cancerturt shit again

>>30468993
thanks

>>30468500
why be sorry? He let himself get para'd, that's what happens when you get paralyzed. You lose, especially if you get hit by moves that cause flinching. It's only fair, lol.

>>30468993
Wait, when did the legendary dogs have Absorb abilities as their hidden? Were those ever distributed?

How's my bro Tentacruel?

>>30469017
Nope, it's just like Chandelure and Shadow Tag. They never distributed them.

>>30468993
damn, all those stat buffs and the only one that actually matters worth a shit is Mantine

>>30468834
The problem is that with old Gale Wings Talonflame didn't have to invest in speed because priority off of base 127 speed was almost unbeatable, so it could afford to invest in bulk. It also got shit like priority Roost.

Now all it can do is run offensive sets and its attacking stats are actually slightly garbage.

>>30468993
> Inner Focus
> Nerf

Seems breddy gud to me actually. Fake out immunity isn't anything to scoff at.

>>30468993
>that Masquerain buff
brb breeding surskits

>>30469031
It's not even really a nerf since the doggos were never released with their HAs anyway, its the same situation.

>>30469045
it's still dookie trust me

even quiver dance doesn't help it

fuckin bug flying, worst typing

>>30469025
dugtrio's pretty good as well, it's just not very good in doubles

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>>30468800
a-anyone?

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>>30466303
I don't grasp Competitive that well

Someone explain really quickly and with as many memes as possible why this is currently the strongest doubles team

>>30469048
All this teasing. Some day a thing will happen. Some day anon, they'll let us have them doggos with their has. Inner focus doesn't seem bad though. dealing damage through fake out, rockslide, and other flinch shenanigans would help any mon in doubles.

>>30469088
oranguru = trick room shenanigans + double attacks

torkoal + gigalith = weather control

drampa = slow bulky fucker loves trick room

aranaquid = fuck your drought I'm a bug and I've got a bubble on my fokin head that reduces fire damage

mimikyu = FREE HIT F R E E

Togedamaru with nuzzle and zing zap is such lategame paraflinching cunt.

>>30469076
Depends on what you want it to do, from being a special attacker, to a physical one or just a stalling cunt.

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>>30469103
IT'S FREE

>>30469104
I bread some Togedemaru, it has some fun moves. Wish it got Super Fang though

>>30469126
or endeavor lol

>>30469104
I run rato with Pelipper

>>30469126
OR IRON HEAD OR ANY STEEL MOVE WHAT THE FUCK

>>30468900
A new shitmon and an oldschool shitmon.

Wow, look at all this variety, don't you love it guys?

Where's my Manectric? My Raichu? My Mega Sceptile? Anything that's actually useful and can benefit from Lightning Rod?

This meta fucking blows. I'm not asking for genies to come back (though I don't mind them) but fuck, nothing more annoying than needing one thing for my team to be good and it simply being unavaliable, so I have to dismantle the whole thing and make something that will inevitably look like OP's pic.

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>>30469120
That's the thing, I have no idea. There's so many options. You get two of them right? I want to utilize Heavy Slam for sure. Rocketwaifu's pretty much made for the move. But a stalling cunt seems cool too.

>>30469140
It has Gyro Ball :^)
1 time use 160 BP Steel move

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>>30466303
>Trick Room Meta

>>30469088
The strongest team is one that has a basic plan to counter the cores of these: >>30469103
Teams.

>>30469076
Do you have a team built yet or are you starting?

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>>30469126
Speaking of Super Fang. Would Nature's Madness be worth running on any of the tapus?

>>30469088
Torkoal is the slowest weather setter, even slower than Gigalith, ensuring it gets its weather up.

Oranguru has Trick Room, so opening with Torkoal + Oranguru lets it instruct a Torkoal Eruption under sun.

Drampa love TR and has massive special attack, also it has great abilities including Cloud Nine.

Araquanid eats fire-types for breakfast and hits incredibly hard with Liquidation.

Mimikyu gets 1 (one) F R E E Swords Dance

>>30469168
I've been running Guardian of Alola on Koko to stop OP's pic.

>>30469168
Their offenses are generally good enough to not really need it, they can often do more if they get a good attack off.

>>30466303
I've never played pokemon online before, I never read or understood meta stuff, why do people do this?
Pokemon seems like the last game that would get this kind of thing, isn't it about playing with the pokemon you like and enjoy? What's the fun of breeding and catching a cookie cutter team that literally everybody else is going to use just because it's the strongest?

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>>30469163
>Do you have a team built yet or are you starting?
Starting.

I have bred a few mons though. Just a couple of the meta staples so I can use them when things shift.

>>30469194
People play to win.

If you can find a way to Karenfag and win at the same time then you become legendary.

>>30469194
competitive pokemon is for massive nerds who lack the strategic acumen and reflexes to play an actual challenging competitive game

>People running Garchomp without poison jab

It's like you want to get walled by the tapus all day.

>>30469209
Sejun Park <3

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>Garchomp

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Pick your meta.

>>30469194
Pokemon enables depressed losers to win against 13yo kids.

Only Sakurai can tell those neckbeards to fuck off.

>>30469250
>Weather spam meta

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

>>30469244
He still played to win though. He just saw a role for his Pachirisu wich worked very well in that meta.

>>30466303
This is why this game needs a reboot. There is absolutely nothing that can fix this kind of dogshit. It is beyond any management by this point.
Destroy everything, all those cancerous mechanics, all those cancerous stats, remove RNG skills, dodges and crits, remove 70% of the fucking roster and actually balance remaining ones.

This game is a fucking joke and it's autistic community that enables this kind of shit/screams out against major changes is the biggest thing holding it down.

>>30469244
Don't be autistic. Pachirisu had a unique role to fill in a meta that had a lot of electric types and no good Follow Me users. Sejun doesn't like Pachirisu any more than I do

>>30466303
and you call smogon bad

any time you guys wanna come to smogon 6v6 singles we will welcome you

we ban drought+chlorophyll and drizzle+swiftswim

>>30469264
Kill yourself.

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>>30468667
Pokemon is the only video game where I feel like a loser for not hacking and playing the game like I should ;_;

>>30469194
It's almost like literally every metagame ever is composed by people who want to win and don't care about using their favourites.

That's what the ingame run is for.

>>30469288
>we ban drought+chlorophyll and drizzle+swiftswim

Is there something you don't ban?
What's the meta? Tackle until someone dies?

>>30469147
>not memeing a sp.atk on marowak for shenanigans after soaking up he electic hits.
>>30469161
Is it my turn, ok. Someone always has to say it. Roar is -5 priority. Tr has -6. As long as you can lead with something that can outspeed a tr setter, with Roar and probably ww too, you can speed control easily.
>>30469197
Depends on where it goes. It's Tapu heavy with a lot of electric atm. These meme teams like harambe + something slow as fuck for instruct shenanigans are going to be solved quickly. So that still leaves a strong meta because of the new best bird. So you need at least marowak-a and a counter to it and its counters. Luckily its sp.def is weak and has plenty of weaknesses, none of which are double which I like.
>>30469250
>He doesn't know.

>>30469310
going fast isn't the issue

how do i into sun team /vp/?
is there any good drought mon available right now?

Even though I lost that battle,trolling this guy's toxapex with a aqua ring araquanid was just too much fun.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-488693422

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>>30469249
>Opponent leads with Garchomp and Oranguru
>First of all you get an almost guarantee EQ
>If you double on Garchomp, Oranguru sets trick room and the Torkoal behind is ready for the rape
>If you double on Oranguru, Garchomp just keeps punching you

>>30469318
>ou

>>30469310
smogon bans are actually very fair for the most part

>no moody
>no drought+chlorophyll
>no drizzle+swiftswim
>no baton pass chains
>no evasion
>no sleeping more than 1 opponent
>no OHKO moves
>no swagger
>no shadow tag

>>30469318
>Special Araquanid

What

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>>30466303
Why does /vp/ even talk about this game if it's so bad at competitive?

Literally only /fgg/ is good at any of the games they play. This guy came in 2nd place in one of the biggest uniel tournaments in the world. What does /vgcg/ or /vp/ in general have to show for itself?

>>30469310
>le smogon bans everything meme
we ban overpowered bullshit to higher tiers
better than banning nothing

>>30468756
Damn, you might be literally autistic. If you want a game that plays like chess, play fucking chess.

>>30469337
>no drought+chlorophyll
What are you talking about, that was never banned, not counting the lowe tiers post Gen 5.
Also, didn't they remove the Drizzle/Swiftswim ban in Gen 6?

>>30469337
Those are all legit strats
You smogoncucks are just too dumb to deal with them

>>30469340
I have both Liquidation and Scald on it.I used scald on the Toxapex so I wouldn't get poisoned by Baneful Bunker.

>>30469377
explain in 50 words or less why Minimize should not be a banned move

>>30469377
How are OHKO moves a strategy? It's literally just hoping you get lucky and instantly kill the opponent.

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>>30469194
>I've never played pokemon online before, I never read or understood meta stuff
Then why are you expressing an opinion about something you know nothing about? Though to be fair you are asking about how an why here more than anything.

>why do people do this?
People like to win. People use what's good to win. Shocking.

>Pokemon seems like the last game that would get this kind of thing, isn't it about playing with the pokemon you like and enjoy?
Welcome to the irony of Pokemon. The game, and the franchise in general, preaches a message while the reality is another because ultimately Pokemon is a numbers game.

>What's the fun of breeding and catching a cookie cutter team that literally everybody else is going to use just because it's the strongest?
Winning is fun and people play competitive not for funny funsies points but to win. Playing competitive is fun for some people. Not everyone has fun the same way you do.

Also, stop basing your opinion on comp pokemon on cherrypicked pictures. Specially so if you know absolutely nothing about it as you said you do.

>>30469264
>>30469244
Neck yourselves off.

>>30469344
this isn't smogon ou it's vgc. you may consider vgc as being capable of banning and rule setting too. nothing but alola is a huge cut at 65% of the national dex. no ubers, eg box legends. ubs aren't broken except steel waifu. even then her best check is rampant in the meta. species and item clause, which smogon doesn't have.

>>30469395
High risk high reward. It either wins you the game or you get BTFO.
>>30469392
Same

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>>30468844
>Pokemon
>Competetive

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>>30469432
that doesn't make any sense

the "reward" from using minimize is much, much greater than the "risk"

>>30469264
>RNG skills, dodges and crits
These can stay. We don't need fucking chess.

But we do need a solution to this tower of shit. "Tower of shit" is the chosen term because that's how GF balances thing. It was OP in the last gen? Instead of removing it, add something better on the next.

So here we are, with crap such as Mental Herb Trick Room, Z-moves, Mega Evolution, Prankster, etc etc...

>>30469445
You get out, you're in a VGC thread.
Have fun with your Evoboost Eevee in 1490

>>30469397
>Neck yourselves off.
Not an argument

>>30469446
Then why don't you use it to reach the top Anon?

>>30469474
oh no we've entered fallacy territory this early

>>30469322
> Taunt Harambe
> Protect with other mon.

>>30469480
What's wrong? If Minimize is so broken why don't you utilize it?

>>30469474
Because Doubles and Singles are completely different metagames and what's good and bad in each of them is completely different you ninny.

Here's your last (you)

>>30469473
There's no argument in your post either. Just ignorance and buzzwords. There's nothing worth arguing with for.

>>30469497
Mental Herb

>>30469497
Oranguru almost always has a Mental Herb because it's total taunt bait

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>>30469249
>>30469322
>People actually thought Garchomp would be bad this year because MUH TAPUS
I feel bad for Mence though.

>>30469453
>These can stay. We don't need fucking chess.
It's not chess anyways thanks to the human-controlled random and mindgames that come trough switching.

If you think it has ever been cool to win because you lel dodged or crited on your otherwise death turn then you need to fuck off to the closest casino.

>>30469147
>Cries about not having water resisting Lightningrod users
>Gets shown two
>Moves the goalposts
>Makes a post so filled with tears he's literally not even seeing himself post two Lightningrod users that do not resist water.

This is pretty pathetic, champ. Take a step back and realise just how young you're acting here.

>The opponent's Porygon-Z used its Z-Move!
>Z-Conversion
>But it failed!

>This buy is at 1800

WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO DO
WHAT YOUR ENDGAME

>>30469342
>This guy came in 2nd place in one of the biggest uniel tournaments in the world.
Was it in Japan or not? Because if having some faggot who won (I'm sorry, "take 2nd place in") some shitty western pity-tournament for the dead game is the best these threads can offer then I've got bad news for you.

>>30469550
Toge doesn't resist water

>>30469528
>If you think it has ever been cool to win because you lel dodged or crited on your otherwise death turn then you need to fuck off to the closest casino.

It's about risk management. Strong moves like Draco and Fire Blast don't have perfect accuracy for a reason.

Weaker moves such as Discharge and Body Slam have added effects for a reason.

If you spend a turn inflicting status, there should be something good attached to it.

Removing luck from Pokemon would make it boring. Instead of luck, all you'll have are blind guesses and 50/50 plays, is that fun to you?

>>30469550
Oh, just fuck off. Let me guess, are you a Karenfag?

>>30469578
>just fuck off

Is that all?

>>30468698
Just save yourself some time and trouble and competitively flip coins with slightly different lopsided weights if you aren't going to catch, breed or raise your mons.

>>30469572
The guy in question legit thinks Japan doesn't know how to play Uniel. only he does.

>>30468756
>GOTTA CATCH 'EM
>EH... NEVERMIND

>>30469572
voidere is the best player in europe, watch your tongue

>>30469578
>It's about risk management.

Oh, look. THAT meme again.

Saying that this fucking cancer is "cool" or "deep" because of risk management is like saying that, well, real cancer is cool because being oncologist is interesting.

There is an infinite number of potential mechanics that could substitute the """depth""" lost by removal of RNG.

>>30469345
They wouldn't even be any fucking good at it.

Both Pokemon and Chess have one thing in common that they're basically pattern recognization games. If you struggle with memorizing things in Pokemon than you are going to have issues with anything more complicated.

But that is about where it ends and anyone even trying to compare the two should be ignored and laughed at.

>>30469453
The other thing people fail to recognize is risk management and reducing chances for RNG fuckery to happen is in itself a skill it's just simple statistics. Whenever people say it's simply a numbers game is the only correct answer. It's the reason most of the successful players in this game or even competitive gambling all happen to be active Mathematicians or competant in it.

You may feel you got fucked over this one time by a crit or a miss or a hit from a inaccurate move. But overall it just fits the odds, part of being competitive is consistency over long term.

>>30469525
People said the same about Hydreigon in both Gen 6 and it ended up being a viable counterpick.

>>30469621
>best player in yurop for a dead japanese anime game

Being "best" is not impressive when your tourneys are at a constant risk of not getting 20 participants.

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>>30469621
>EUROPE

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>>30469342
Jeudy posts (used to?) post here and he came out 2nd in the World back in vgc14.

I remember some British guy who went to Worlds posting here too and the Imoutos people also post here.

All communities of games will be composed of 99% shitters and 1% people who actually know their shit. This is nothing new.

Or are you telling me only /vp/ is bad at Pokemon and literally EVERYONE from reddit, neogaf, NB, Smogon, etc are World Champion-level? Don't delude yourself.

>>30466303

So it's not rain taking over the meta?

Also, why araquanid? Does it actually work well in sun or something, or is that just the strongest water attacker pre bank?

>>30469572
We got 0-2'd by a nigerian ken at EVO once, that has to count for something

>>30469578
Your argument really just had no sense of solidity to it, friend. Let me go through it again.

>Says he wants a water resistant Lightningrodder
>Says it's annoying how there are none
>There is one
>Suddenly the argument is about something else
>Gives examples
>Only 1/3 adheres to the original condition, resisting water.

I'm sure you can do better than this.

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>>30469621
>dead kusoge anime fighter
>europe
I'm european myself and laughing at you right now.

>>30469676
Pelipper is faster than both Gigs and Tork, so their weather always wins out. Araquanid gives less of a fuck about fire attacks, is slow and hits hard

>>30469687
Why are you being so obtuse? He wants a LR but is dissatisfied by the utter lack of options. It being one doesn't mean there's "options", just one, that's a forced choice, not "options". It's not that hard to understand.

>B-But there's one!
Yeah and it's utter shit. That's why that anon is mad. Because not even with all the LR users banned Seaking can manage to be usable. That's how damn shit the thing is.

>>30469474
People did, that's why it's banned.

>>30469722
>Araquanid gives less of a fuck about fire attacks, is slow and hits hard

Not Wishiwashi though?

>>30469794
The spider is immune.

>>30469794
Araquanid hits harder and is more specially bulky I think

>>30469810
This. araquanid can absorb Will-o-Wisps if you read it for free switch in.

Can run entrainment as a gimmick to give a physical mon on your team burn immunity

>>30468844
>appease manchild
No, just fucking child. Children are the target demographic (and should be) not the fucking competitive players.

VP TOLD ME TRICK ROOM WAS A MEME META

>>30469829
Also doesn't become worthless 1/4 of the time.

>>30469794
Araquanid is immune to burns and actually has some special bulk.
>>30469840
Don't forget that Fire resist! Especially with Torkoal running amok

HOW THE FUCK DO THEY PLAY TORKOAL?

>>30469857
It is in Singles.

Anyone with half a brain knows that TR is good in Doubles.

I guess TCPi and Gamefreak got their wish of a TR meta by making everything in Alola extremely slow.

You buckos better get ready for Gen-5 speed offense-creep after Gamefreak decides to "nerf" TR next gen after seeing how it dominated this year.

I'm getting started with VGC this gen, but I literally have 0 clue on what to do.

I tried to build a team but It's been good some times and others was a disaster.

I was planning to have Bulu, Muk (quite synergy), A-Marowak, Gyarados, Xurkitree and A-Ninetales.

I don't quite know what to do with it, could someone give me some hints?

Well all this talk about meta and chess and having the perfect set of predictable mons can be easily resolved if game freak took balance seriously and actually made a custom mode where all 800 (or more reasonably, the 350~ final evos or so) mons are viable, or at the very least, buffed so they can stand a chance against others.

Obviously some things would still emerge as 'meta' or 'centralizing', but at least there would be a huge variety of options rather than just the static 20.

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> everyone runs Oranguru with the Instruct gimmick.
> I run a Life Orb set with Nasty plot
> mfw no-one sees it coming and gets BTFO by the Orangutang

Ohohoho

>>30469947
>wanting a pure matchup meta
???

>>30469895
Instruct + Lava Plume spam under sun

>>30469961
Reminder that match-up meta is what gave rise to CHALK aka a consistent and solid team rather than a 4 members core with 2 extras to patch up holes.

I wonder how the Nip meta is doing right now. They probably are 2 or 3 steps beyond us already.

>>30469958
>Things that never happened

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>>30469958
Fuck anon now they know

>only Flash Fire users are Arcanine and fucking Flareon

>>30468665
Anyone have the Xerneas version?

>>30469988
Top player on battlespot is actually American.

>>30469501
Minimize is an extremely effective way to win one match, knock someone out of the running, but it's extremely unlikely to let the user win multiple matches.

It drags the game further into RNG territory, isn't effective or reliable enough to let the user win a competition but is reliable enough to win individual matches, so it fits absolutely terrible to lose to it.

>>30469576
Electric

>>30470013
B-But restriction breeds creativity anon! It'll be just like VGC14 where epic god Pachi saved us from the dumb Smogonfags!

>>30470039
Nips don't play in battle spot that much actually. They meet-up to play together all the time IRL and exchange ideas and the such.

>>30470004
They don't believe it though.
Wich is funny. It completely shits on everyone's expectations. People expect the Instruct and usually protect or switch, wich gives Orang a free Nasty Plot. Pair it with Tapu lele and you're gonna be blasting things to shit.

>>30469958
No i saw it, it didn't stop me. Your strat isn't that amazing or original.

I want to make good use of Crabominable because I feel bad for Masuda adveritising a Pokémon at the VGC that nobody with a small sense of self-preservation will ever want to use, can he be viable? I feel like Snorlax and Marowak just outclass him. Ice Hammer can't pick KOs for shit without Iron Fist but Intimidate is annoying.

>>30469943
Keep battling and see what pokémon ruins your day, modify the team to keep them in check.

The hardest part is abandoning your team and going back to the drawing board if you notice your win ratio is sub 60%.

>>30470421
Neither Ice or Fighting are desirable types right now. So no, not really, not at all. Sorry lad. It's shit and will forever be it.

>>30470427
Problem is, I don't have the knowledge nor experience to make changes in an appropriate way

>>30470537
You'll get knowledge as you play and seeing what your opponents do and copying them what you see works and ignoring what you see doesn't. That's the best way to learn Pokemon.

>>30466324
Only on battlespot. That team on showdown has been absolutely destroyed in the metagame now that people know how to deal with torkoal. I don't think there is a torkoal in the top 15 anymore.

What walls A-Marowak, or what does A-Marowak have the most trouble dealing with?

>>30470760
Is TR as a whole dead on Showdown or just the specific Harambe+Torkoal combo

so how would i make the most braindead doubles team? never done competitive battling so would wanna start with something braindeadat first

>>30468712
Don't worry anon, no one actually thinks that. He's just retarded, or baiting.

>>30470760
So what kind of team are people using?

Is Harambe + Garchomp + Koko still good?

>>30469377
This is true.
Smogonfags should never be taken seriously.

>>30470855
I take it that the team just spams instruct, EQ and discharge with Telepathy Harambe?

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>>30470826
It is not dead as a whole. It is dead mostly at the top of the ladder as an entire-team investment. That became too predictable and once people learned to damage the torkoal it became worthless to invest 6 pokemon into just the torkoal cheese strat. Now people are running a couple fast 'mons with porygon2 surprise trick room, but sometimes not carrying trick room at all, with normal bulk-tank pokemon on their team such as marowak, muk, and celesteela, who can all make very good use of TR when it's up. Even porygon2 himself with a SpA download boost can do significant damage with TR that he sets.

>>30470855
This is the top of the ladder at this moment.

>monkey + garchomp + koko
Is that a core? I don't know how they all synergize besides garchomp and koko having AoE abilities that don't affect monkey.

>>30469337
>>no sleeping more than 1 opponent
why tho?

>>no shadow tag
muh babby can't handle prediction, needs the failsafe of being able to switch out when he got outpredicted every time

>>30470949
Nihilego?! Everyone kept saying that was garbage. What is the set for Nihilego?

>>30470976
Nihilego kills all tapus bro It has fucking 127 SpA.

>>30470976
It kills Tapu's.
HP Ice, Power Gem, Sludge bomb and protect are what I run, evs depends on the item. I am currently trying 252 speed and SpA with a focus sash.

>>30470949
>Is that a core? I don't know how they all synergize besides garchomp and koko having AoE abilities that don't affect monkey.

Basically spread move spam.

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>Tfw stuck in 1600 and too lazy and autistic to change team

>>30470999
>>30471024
Oooh, that makes sense. I haven't done any of the competitive scene. I just look up builds so I can get stuff together for battle tree since I want to try all the different rematches that show up there.

Nihilego as a specific counter for the Tapus is interesting, makes sense. I remember everyone losing their spaghetti over Guzzlord a while back. I'm guessing his 4x weakness to Fairy and all of the Tapus being meta sealed his fate?

>>30471146
>I'm guessing his 4x weakness to Fairy and all of the Tapus being meta sealed his fate?
Pretty much

>>30471146
guzzlord is trash

I'm trying to run semi-TR and I'm not sure how to do it. I have never done a team like this before. For my fast pokemon, I'm thinking about having a swift swimmer, a surge surfer, dragon dancer, or shell smasher. For my TR sweepers, I'm thinking about celesteela + marowak, would that be good?

I want to run tailwind + TR so my enemy will never know what I will actually bring, but I am finding it very hard to fit tailwind onto my team.

Anyone with experience on semi-TR please comment with advice?

>>30471161
Well that's a shame. Glad to see Celesteela up there. I really liked the design of that one.

>>30471172
Guzzlord turned out to be trash and Nihilego is a meta pick. How the tables have turned.

Just bring nfe pokemon.
Youll lose 100 times but when you finally btfo someone with them it is wayyy more satisfying than copy pasting "easy win team A"

>>30470949
>Kartana
Someone explain. I've never seen it.

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>>30471172
Shame because he's the best looking UB

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>>30466303
What other moves do you run on aqua spider besides liquidation? every other attacking move sucks because it's not boosted by his ability. Should I just run protect + aqua ring and some other gay move and he can be a mono attacker?

>>30471234
Kills Tapus and does it by going fast.

>>30471233
Ebin.

>>30471234
fast with 181 atk and passive boosting after kills. What needs to be explained?

>>30471234
Super fast Smart Strike is how I have seen most people use it

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>>30471234
>181 Base Attack
>Sacred Sword
>Smart Strike
Folded one mirrion times, cut through pig dog american pokemon with one slash

>>30469728
I'm calling our friend out on moving the goalposts, hoping that next time when he means "Muh Sceptile mega is not in this game" he will actually post this straight away. Or even better, refrain from posting.

I know Seaking is shit, but it met all the conditions he listed in his first post. Lightningrod and water resist.

>>30471234
Hits fast, hits hard enough, ok defensive bulk, good typing that lets it wall common attacking types.

I run Arcanine but I still panick when I see it because it can make holes in the rest of my team.

>>30470949
> Lanturn

I always liked that thing, and got one off Wonder Trade yesterday with good IVs. Why./do poeple run it.

>>30469168
I run madness on my leech seed bulu.

>>30471489
Volt Absorb

>>30471248
Aqua ring is too slow for VGC, put lunge for Gyarados and poison jab for literally just Tapu Bulu. Other than that you'll spam Liquidation all day.

>tfw never played competitive pokemon
>tfw theorycrafted the exact same team (minus the aquaspider i used mudsale)
>tfw now discovered that this is the meta team
>tfw now i feel disgusted with my team and somewhat proud of it

just going to make another team cant stand playing mainstream teams

Bulkanine is so strong in this meta thanks to pairing up extremely well with bulu. I run mine with morning sun and sitrus berry and it never dies. Only fast (or tr slow) special nukes give it real trouble, otherwise it can just intimidate + wow or snarl.

If lefties and sitrus are already taken, what item would be good for a bulkier drampa? My drampa rn is LO 3 attacks max hp max spa, but I want to try the roost set.

>>30471917
how to bulkanine

>>30466303
how are people using araquanid?

>>30472088
Arcanine @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 60 SpA / 68 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Will-O-Wisp
- Snarl
- Morning Sun

EVs are remnants from VGC '15, except that it had just enough speed to outspeed 252 adamant bisharp. I'm gonna build a better spread someday.

I run this next to specially defensive Bulu

Tapu Bulu @ Leftovers
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 108 Atk / 4 Def / 140 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature
- Horn Leech
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Nature's Madness [this one could be anything desu, I'm considering switching to rock tomb for further speed control]

Def is just enough not to get ohkoed by kartana, atk is just enough to 2hko no bulk chomp most of the time. Rest in spdef and hp.

>>30471789
It's not really a meta team at all though. The screenshot in the OP was purposefully taken out of context to bait casuals. What happened was that Hibiki was streaming with his team, but sometimes he couldn't find people on Battlespot, so someone genned his exact same team to try and snipe him for shits and giggles.

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>>30467321
>All that was nerfed
>Sleep left the same

>>30472227
Dark void was removed. I'd hardly call it not getting nerfed.

>>30472123
no one?

What's the best set for Mimikyu? I'm planning to breed one

>>30472227
>>Sleep left the same
Electric terrain prevents sleep, so there's that.

>>30466303
Wtf Torkoal is viable now?

>>30472300
The sun god and Harambe is watching over him

>>30471789
>>tfw now i feel disgusted with my team
>just going to make another team cant stand playing mainstream teams
Why do you people do this? I seriously cannot understand. Like, once in a while I try to use something kinda out there to see how it does or try to add at least one non-standard thing to my teams but never have I gone that far. Furthermore, you people actually seem upset when a Pokemon you like becomes GOOD. It baffles me, why would you dislike your favorite Pokemon being usable? You people complain about how your favorite Pokemon is shit and when it's not you call it shit for being good.

I really don't understand your mentality. Please explain it to me.

>>30472300
Pelipper is too.

>>30472207
>but sometimes he couldn't find people on Battlespot

lol

>>30472366
HOW?

>>30468899
>In a tournament setting this is not great.
So it comes down to coin tosses instead. Great to know you have a garbage opinion. Theres a reason why badketball isnt filled with 7' giants you mongoloid retard and Pokemon shouldnt have a single good set to use. Its fucking boring to watch AND play. Gen V was the last good competitive scene

>>30472476
The rain god and top keko are watching over him

>>30472361
>>30472361
Just use Garchomp m8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXlAiKVwMpk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkVKXSRgHT4

I wish I could find that VGC Garchomp vs Suicune video where the Suicune misses Ice Beam like 3 or 4 times in a row.

>>30468545

Good.

>>30472519
FOUND IT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqKIgBVBAq8

>>30472518
so no trick room here?

>>30472613
>that quality

>>30472613
Woah, I didn't remember genV being so fast

>>30472700
It's clearly been speed-up.

>>30472613
>>30472519

You reminded me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRLBrB8Jrc

>>30472838
>Wolfe meme teams
Into the trash it goes.

>>30467661
>run specific EVs to OHKO Landorus with Ice Beam
>Landorus ate its Yache Berry!
>run Taunt to stop Trick Room
>Cresselia ate its Mental Herb!
>Run enough EVs to OHKO Garchomp with a Moonblast
>Garchomp hung on with its Focus Sash!

This shit has been going for a long time already. Unless you're playing best of three, a lot of this game turned into blind guessing.

As someone who has been playing vgc from 2011 every year with the exception of last year, it strikes me how irrelevant speed control is this year
I get that cancer thunder genie is gone and priority tailwind is basically non-existant, but i don't think TR has ever been the main speed option. It's interesting

http://pastebin.com/QywBByBw

Hey guys I thought up this VGC team that utilises whimsicott as a tailwind setter/annoying POS. Any idea on how to improve this would be excellent. Thanks :D

>>30473283
Pranksters get shut down by Tapu L-
>Also running Tapu Lele
What are you doing.

If you want to run Whimsi that badly make it max speed without prankster.

>>30473283
Mental herb oranguru sets up trick room easy against you

if i were to run Lilligant more as a support with moves like

@ lum berry

after you
hp fire
sleep powder
protect

would a timid ev spread be 252 SpA 252 Spe
or should i do less special attack since im not really using it offensively?

>>30474224
>HP Fire
>No Grass moves
Why?

>>30474224
well what hidden power then?
im planning on using it incase i dont want to use trick room but i can still use torkoal because of after you.

drought, then lilligants chlorophyll.

New to VGC, is Minior too frail to be useable? I really like it, but it feels like 60 HP is pretty bad if it gets targeted.

>>30474418
shell smash with white herb, but still need to be careful

>>30474224
kill you are selve

>>30472476
Weather setting abilities are OP

>>30474514
y
i tested it and it worked a few times, just trying to make sure im using the right spreads, but really what HP

>>30466303
I am the only person i know who run misdrevus...
Pretty fast, pair up well with muk, i am keeping this bitch to the top.
Contrary to gengar it has levitate.
I started by checking underused pokemon, and actually made it work.

Tested from 1100-1400 on showdown, testing on cart now.