>gets really strong and isn't a pushover >can unapologetically

>>30416100
Wait. You can lose to Hau?

>>30416100
The fight at Malie is the hardest battle you have with him, Raichu catches most people off guard. The rest of his fights aren't nearly as hard as that one.

>>30416184
I'm gonna have to second this. Can you lose to him?

>>30416100
>picks the starter weak to yours
Pathetic

>>30416184
>>30416246
He's arguably the strongest main game trainer.

>>30416246
Yeah I lost on the third island arrival match because I didn't have any good mons with me and I skipped all battles I could skip. He just kinda says oh that was refreshing or whatever and runs away.

>>30416246
>>30416184
Yeah, no money is lost and there's a different flavour text to it.

>>30416325
He was the easiest for me

>>30416325
Rival even

>>30416184
I lost to him after the first Nihelego scene. I was not prepared for that Riachu.

He's also fucking pissed when you beat him in Title Defense.

>>30416246
>>30416184

Yeah, I was pleasantly shocked. After the battle at Malie, he just gives you a "tuff luck brah gg" shrug and the story goes on. I think its great.

>>30416370
Strong =/= hard anon
With that said most people lose tho the raichu due to it out speeding most Mon you can find at that point and the STAB Psychic and Thunderbolt.

>>30416100
>>30416325
>>30416381
how shit are you at the game that you think hau is the hardest rival ever, I had a more difficult time beating Serena in X

>implying that you aren't his rival

>>30416472
>my first pokemon game was harder but now that i'm used to it i'll act like i'm good at these games
fuck off kalosfag

>>30416100
Okay, good, so I wasn't the only one who lost to him.

That Raichu hit hard and fast. What didn't help was that my Magnemite still hadn't evolved by that point, and even if it got past Raichu, I think Hau still had a Flareon to screw me over.

>>30416325
>>30416368
>>30416381
>>30416392
I guess your teams didn't have any electric/psychic counters? Every time I fought him I didn't lose one member thanks to my grimer

>>30416472
>I had a more difficult time beating Serena in X
And you're calling them shit?
Serena has the worst post game team, you know, the one that's supposed to be semi competent?

In any case thanks for confirming that you used the Exp share and grinded in SM.

Can you lose the battle before the League to let him go first?

>>30416509
His Raichu is more of an Ace than his own Starter kek.

>>30416488
I'm using an example of another incredibly easy rival to point out how fucking easy hau is. The only rivals that are easier than hau are the non-serena friends in xy and the ones in oras. Every other rival ever has been more difficult than hau. Hau picks the starter that's weak to yours for fucks sake.

>>30416535
yes I used the exp share? I used the exp share in XY too. Am I supposed to use the exp share in xy, then turn it off in sm so I can come to /vp/ and agree how much more difficult sm was than xy? Because that's what it sounds like the goalpost is here.

>>30416525
Yeah I really don't give a shit anymore, I used level 20 butterfree, growlithe, slowpoke and haunter since I had decidueye and greninja in box

>>30416463
I never found him strong though, every time I fought him, my first Pokemon would knock out raichu in one hit, and the rest of his team was always easy

>you're allowed to lose

I wonder if that means the devs knew he would be tough? You never even get a chance to refuse his battle or save beforehand.

>>30416525
Grimer can't really take a hit from A-Raichu.

>>30416600
What was your first team?

>>30416100
Please

Please

Please tell me this is bait

This is a ruse, right?


None of you actually lost to Hau, right?


I am actually what the fuck-ing right now

So I guess he has different dialogue if you lose to him at some point, when you fight him outside the league? I beat him every time and after the fight he frowned, shook his head and then went back to smiling and said he'd go train harder or something along those lines.

I've been hearing about how this game is "harder" than other games. Is this true?

>>30416246
You can't lose to him during the final battle though

>>30416694
Compared to X/Y and ORAS, yes

>>30416626
At the time of the first raichu battle it was charjabug, grimer, shiinotic and araquanid

>>30416571
>being so shit at pokemon that you have to grind and still find it hard
That's pathetic. Especially of you found XY hard, Serena makes shit rivals like Wally, Silver and Barry look like Frontier Brains.
At least people have a reason to lose against Hau seeing as GF decided to finally improve the AI and most opponents have near perfect IVs.

>>30416546
you wish

>>30416525
I had a mud hoars but Psychic got a crit. My team was all frail attackers. I also had a Maraenie but yeah.

>>30416607
Special d is ridiculous. Dark makes it impossible for psychic to hit. Can cirtainly take a hizzit ma nigga

>>30416745
Huh, that's not a particularly good team to use against him. And unless you did some extra level grinding that Grimer is near useless.

>>30416694
definitely not, z-moves are even more broken in-game than megas were because you get them from very early on and any pokemon on your team can use them. After the second trial almost all totem pokemon can be one-shot with z-moves removing any sort of challenge from the island trials. Anyone who says this game is more difficult is either a complete scrub like OP or a goalpost mover who will tell you not to use z-moves and turn off the exp share so that then it will be harder than xy played using megas and with exp share on (which is obvious).

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>>30416100
I thought he was acting strange on the trip. Suddenly taking control of serious situations instead of kicking back and being more carefree than usual, like he knew something I didn't. I should've seen it coming.

>>30416100
>found out that you missed the battle on the 3rd island
>only got to fight his raichu once, and it was just before the e4
mad

>Playing Nuzlocke
>Unlucky to never get a ground type
>His Raichu is faster than any of my pokemon who know dark attacks

R.I.P

>>30416694
Probably. It's definitely the most consistently difficult, I never lost during the main story at least but I was cutting it close a lot more often than I was in any of the other games.

>>30416606
Or maybe they saw the complaints about Serana in X/Y and decided to add this in here.

>>30416785
>Special d is ridiculous.
It's 50 anon.

Raichu has 95 special attack.

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>>30416100
>GF actually listened. I just got solo-wiped by his Raichu

No, you just suck major ass.

>>30416749
I never grinded outside of battling all trainers on a route, I even used 8 pokemon and my teams were still 5 levels above the opponents at all times at least. I've been playing since gen 2 and I've never had so little pokemon faint throughout the game as in Sun. Why are you so triggered by the fact that sun and moon are as easy as they come?

>>30416607
But electro ball was the only good attack it could use, it would do good damage, but then grimer would one shot it

I have had the exact opposite experience and found Hau to be a useless pushover and annoying as a character. Then again I went with Suplex Kitty, so he had the shitty edgebird that dies to everything. I guess I just had a better team the whole time by comparison to the OP.

>>30416643
>losing to a 135 BP move coming from 95 base spatk and 110 speed when 90% of what you catch has low defenses and is super slow

>>30416863
>my teams were still 5 levels above the opponents at all times at least.
So you were grinding.

>>30416100
>Has the starter weaker to yours
>Doesn't even need to use it to kick your ass
Jesus fucking Christ why is his raichu so fucking brutal? I bet you hau is a secret serial killer under that doofy happy-go-lucky demeanor of his and his partner in crime is his raichu

>>30416790
>got shit on in his own thread
>he has to post in others
Hilarious.

>>30416100
i just did this battle and it was fucking easy, who do you think you are

>>30416903
nope

>>30416863
>Thread about Hau being good by having a good Raichu
>"Man you guys are so shit, you mad? Triggered?"

>>30416922
I just don't understand how there are so many people on /vp/ who genuinely think sun and moon were difficult. Like I know many of you have autism but come on, you have to be braindead to consider this difficult.

>>30416863
>8 Mon
>still five levels above
Either you had the exp share on or did some grinding becuase there's no way you could be five levels above especially when each island jacks the level up pretty high compared to regular Pokémon game progression

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>>30416100
I was lvl23-25. It was a massacre. Felt good to lose though. Time to train for next time.

>>30416100
As much as I hated him in the beginning and his romantic interest in Lillie felt forced, his team is respectably balanced and I like how sassy he got when you infiltrated Aether

>>30416995
>Either you had the exp share on
Yes I had the exp share on, while playing the game I wasn't aware I was supposed to turn it off so I could have a "proper" opinion on the difficulty of the game on /vp/

>>30416246
>>30416184
>no exp share
>your whole team is level 23-28
>get to the third island
>get destroyed by his alola raichu level 31

yes you can.


Also I kinda think we had way too less encounters with him and gladio. especially gladio

>>30416100
63 Replies, 3 images and only 33 posters.
Really makes you think

>>30416694
I guess so, since I've noticed that I have to actually use my party pokemon rather than just plowing through the game with my starter like I usually do. Like anon said z-moves are stupid (though I like them better than mega evolutions, at least).

>>30416100
You must be new to pokemon if baby Hau gave you trouble. He was a weakling pushover.

>>30416607
Alolan Grimer/Muk is dark/poison, he has nothing to worry about A-Raichu

>losing to hau

top kek, yo. Raichu sucks defensively. if you can't beat that, you're retarded and you just don't know how to play the game.

I haven't encountered a single raichu in-game so far that I couldn't one shot.

>>30417042
"I didn't change the difficulty and I think the game was easy"

please stop

>>30417042
Just so you know, the exp share is the easy mode that skews the difficulty of the game.

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Hau is great

Leech Life wrecks his pancake shitchu.

>>30417075
Except that STAB thunderbolt.

>>30417042
I don't get what the fuck people were doing with the EXP share. I had it on the whole game and my whole team was always either at their level or underleveled by CPU trainers

How could people not see hau's raichu coming from a mile away?

Literally all you need was an alolan meowth/persian and his raichu can't do shit

>>30417166
They were grinding obviously. They just don't want to admit it even though it doesn't add up without it.

>>30417207
i can't even bring myself to battle all regular trainers and these shitters actually grind?

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>>30417032
OP here, I was also lvl23-25. I don't grind at all so my levels are usually low but everything was beatable up to this point with application of sense and some thinking. A fully evolved Raichu with electric/psychic stab 90 move overwhelmed my team. I can't wait for the rematch. It makes the game so much more fun when your rival actually pushes you and isn't just an ego-booster.

>>30417166
>>30417231
>i can't even bring myself to battle all regular trainers
that's why you were underleveled dipshit

>>30416785
Grimers isnt muk. Grimers defenses are ass. Alolan raichu is strong as fuck for that poibt in the game, and his vaporeon is a monster as well

>>30417038
Honestly his quip to Faba was one of his greatest lines. I was expecting not to like Hau and would have treated him the same way as I did as the XY group (indifference at best) but Hau really grew on me, and evidenced by the thread here, can actually kick ass.

>>30416694
Yes, the people who say it arent hard at timmes use shit like snorlax and ash greninja

>>30417189
Of course everyone know it was coming.
It's that no one expected it at that point in the game where all of their Mon were still unevolved shitmon.

Also
>picking a Mon with 40 special defence and 90 speed against a fast special attacker
And unless you decided to grind it up beforehand you wouldn't have a Persian by that point.

>>30417166
because with a full team + exp share you get 5 pokemon get 50% of the exp the leading pokemon gets.

without exp share, if you switch pokemon during battles, every pokemon involved get 100% exp. which means if you swtich all your pokemon during battles (takes long, I know, but some people do it), you're getting twice the exp.

>>30417166
I just got to Route 10 with the level 24 Fearow that comes out of the tree and attacks you. I have a level 40 Torracat, 33 Magneton, 33 Ribombee, 36 Toucannon, 31 Snorlax, and 30 Golisopod.

I wouldn't say I grinded, but I did go searching for all the pokemon I could catch before i left for the second island, and I always explore the whole area for everything I can find, which obviously gets me into wild battles. I battle every trainer I come across. And EXP share on, obviously.

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>>30416100
>gets really strong and isn't a pushover
>can unapologetically kick your ass

Who are you talking about? I assume the picture you posted was a misclick since you can't be talking about that pussy Hau. He doesn't even use the good starter.

>>30417089
>i don't know what speed is

>be so shit at Pokemon you lose to a pushover rival and have to go lie on /vp/ about him being legitimately hard to try and save dignity

>>30416903
>>30416995
I've been using a team of six and I'm like five levels above my opponents without using the Exp. Share. I've been going out of my way to catch everything (including S.O.S. exclusive Pokémon) which gives you bonus Exp., though, so I think that's fucking me up.

>>30417518
uhm, hello... mudbray one shot that moron. mudbray is slower.

>i choose the wrong pokemon for the battle

>>30417550
>being this much of an autist

>>30417490
Nigga you have a Torracat nearly double the area level.

Do you even know what people mean when they say grinding?

>>30417492
doesn't he get the Eevee that's strong against your starter anyway?

>>30417492
He uses an Eeveelution strong against your own starter, which is usually better than the starters.

>>30417490
>Exp Share on, obviously
Why does nobody seem to understand that you can turn it on and off whenever you want for a reason? Everybody seems to either leave it on the whole game or never use it at all.

>>30417597
Mudbray can't take a STAB psychic not to mention its going to be under leveled because each island bumps up the area level more than previous games would.

ITT: Overleveled exp-share cheeserz get mad at /comfy/ bros who actually play the game properly

>>30417490
>level 40 torracat
That's not grinding you fucking retard, that's overleveling.

never lost to him, exp share off

thank you based earth mule

>>30417684
no true scotsman

The hardest rival for me in any pokemon game was fuckin Barry in Platinum

Fuck that Staravia

>>30417051
>>get destroyed by his alola raichu level 31

Is Sun harder than Moon? His Raichu was only Level 28.

>>30417670
>>30417635
By the time he gets that you should already have a balanced team typewise. I picked Popplio and already had an Oricorio by the time he evolved his Eevee. Having a good starter only really affects the early parts of the game when you have less methods to counter it.

>>30417741
Barry was shit until the post game

>>30417613
I take all the opportunities to battle I can without going out of my way, is that grinding?

>>30417680
Because people forget sometimes it's on or off or have a one way opinion of how it works. Honestly exp share isn't bad this game unless you grind up pokemon, if you just battle trainers for the most part you should be fine. Until you get to the 4th Island.

>>30417684
this

His raichu can be bitch if you didn't use the exp. share

>>30417775
If your team is double the level of the totem pokemon, then yes that's a problem.

>>30417775
Taking every opportunity without going out of your way would make you slightly under leveled by that point.

>>30417681
are youfucking stupid? I'm telling you how it went for me. I one-shot it with mudbray.

>>30417684
This is true.

Not playing with exp share is fun as fuck.

>>30416790
I'll be real, I never blacked out in Sun. But the game is definitely infinitely more challenging than Gen VI where my Pokemon hardly ever fainted

I didn't play with Z-Moves because I didn't give a fuck about that mechanic and I didn't play with EXP Share because after falling for the meme in Y I realized it's a post-game item. Without those handicaps the games are genuinely fun

>>30416100
Havent defeated him in the league but in the main plotline he´s XY tier.

>>30416100
with or without raichu, if you lose to him, you kinda suck at the basics of the game.

>>30417922
The would make XY a fairly difficult game anon and we know its not.
As a whole the game is BW2 tier with a little challenge mode mixed in, especially since regular trainers also used items.

>>30417764
I was using a turtwig and after he got one double team up i literally could not hit him

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>>30416100
>it's a "major NPC uses Pokémon with less than four moves when it learns more than four moves by level-up" episode

I'm getting real sick of these reruns.

>>30417775
If you like to battle everything, the best thing to do is to create a small "battle bench" with extra Pokemon you like to train to soak up all that excess exp when your main team levels get too high.

>>30418022
I´m not talking about the difficulty of SM entirely, I´m just talking about Hau and he´s easy as fuck.

>m-muh exp share
he´s easy as fuck

>>30418037
Less moves for the AI to mess up with.
Like they say, less is more.

>>30418054
I battled every single npc without the exp share on and without ever using an extra pokemon (only used the six) and I was never overleveled. maybe people switch pokemon in-battle too much? when you switch, both pokemon get 100% exp, instead of 100% and 50% (with exp share) or the way it used to be in older gens.

>>30418078
Hau would still be one of if not the most challenging rivals.

>>30418084
>Like they say, less is more.
Is that the defense you use for everything about XY and ORAS, or for there only being nine older characters in the Battle Tree?

>>30416882
Snorlax, Araquanid and Shiinotic all have fine SpD, and they're what I used.

>All these people saying whaddufuck how u babbies lose to him xddd
>They play with exp share on and cruise through the game OHKOing everything and having zero fun

I turned off exp share and yeah he was surprisingly hard, for one horrible moment I thought his Raichu was going to sweep me as it's psychic one shotted 3 of my mons in a row

Clawed it back for the win though, mudbray OP

>>30418140
XY didn't have a decent AI backing it up.
ORAS ironically had more full move sets than most games.

What does this tell you anon?

>>30417051
>no exp share
Ah, I found the problem here.

You're autistic.

>>30418129
Even if that were true, that´s not saying much. But he´s still as easy as the XY ones.

>>30418177
Stop making this about the exp share, it isnt.

>>30416292
>he already had his starter when you picked yours
>has a pikachu
>clears trials after you do

you're the rival, not Hau, no wonder it feels like the spotlight isn't on you

>>30418225
>not realizing you're your rival's rival every single game

>>30416184
I wish more games would let you lose battles without making you have to black out, but I don't know how that would work in-game.

All I can think of is to say, make it so when the battle is exited, either have all of your pokemon magically get 1 hp left, or only have the pokemon in your top spot have 1 hp left and everything else is left fainted.

I guess part of the issue is you can't run away from Trainer battles, which is standard for most rpgs.

>>30418199
I was arguing against his claim that having less content makes the game better, not making claims against XY or ORAS having shitty movesets (though XY certainly does).

And if SM has better AI, there should be less reason to neuter the movelists down to STAB moves and Quick Attack.

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>>30418225
>Become the first Champion of a region after 20 years

Pottery

>>30418225
>he already had his starter when you picked yours
Many rivals are that way.

>has a pikachu
I´ll never get why this matters.

>clears trials after you do
Lots of rivals don´t give a shit about gyms/trials.

> no wonder it feels like the spotlight isn't on you
The story protagonist is Lillie, yeah, not Hau.

>>30418210
>But he´s still as easy as the XY ones.
I don't think you understand what it means to say this.

You're either implying that XY has challenging rivals or that Hau was incredibly weak. We know that Hau isn't one of the weakest rivals we also know that the gen 6 rivals are gen 1 tiers of easy. Neither can be true.

>>30416100
>I just got solo-wiped by his Raichu
What's your team? I always one-shot it with Golisopod

>>30417053
>almost every person in the thread has posted twice (2 times)

W O W
O
W

Tittilating observation, do stipulate on that

>>30418308
>Lots of rivals don´t give a shit about gyms/trials.
Don't know how this relates to Hau because his entire character is based on overcoming the Trials to beat his grandfather, and by extension you

>The story protagonist is Lillie, yeah, not Hau.
She's the protagonist of the Aether story. You can really say the game's split between her, Hau and Gladion while you're the one helping them develop along the way

Reminder that the people who say this game is easy probably never made it to Lurantis. That battle was all kinds of bullshit.

>Lurantis summons Castform
>Sunny Day
>Solar Blade
>OHKO's my team by just spamming Solar Blade

>>30418330
>always
Anon how many times have you played this game already

He would have rekt me at the E4 if I hadn't had Solgaleo left (which I didn't want to use during the battle).
I reset, and did the battle again leaving Solgaleo in the PC. Still won though.

>>30416882
Shitter, i one shot him with torracat, with like ember or fire fang or some shit


Just git fucking gud, oh and

>low defenses

There are magnemites everywhere like holy shit what the fuck are you talking about

>>30418294
>And if SM has better AI, there should be less reason to neuter the movelists down to STAB moves and Quick Attack.
You're making the mistake of believing that AI are infallible when they're smart enough. Just look at Faba he can end up in a status loop because the AI doesn't handle abilities like Comatose well.

Basically what GF did was try to remove most room for error which is why it's mostly STAB and priority. Its designed for quick and reliable kills.

>>30416100
I know right?
I came pretty close to losing to him which was both surprising and satisfying. It felt like a bit of a challenge. That being said, I only use 4 Pokemon and have a lot of shared weaknesses between my mans.

>>30418037
At least he uses a Z-Crystal

>>30418387
>tfw grinded Steenee to learn Stomp, evolve and teach Tsareena Acrobatics because I wasn't going to fight that thing with a Steenee, Cubone and Brionne

Totem Wishiwashi gave me utter shit though. The rest of the game I didn't grind at all, I just didn't want to deal with Lurantis' bullshit

>>30418401
Once, and once I got Golisopod it just one-shot Raichu with First Impression each time I battled Hau

>>30418308
>Many rivals are that way
Gary, Silver, Barry, Chern/Bianca all pick after you. Two, isnt many

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there's no way this thread isn't a shitpost

>>30418468
>over 700
>"lol why isnt everyone picking this one mon"

>>30418325
>Hau was incredibly weak
That´s what I implied, yeah.

>>30418358
>Don't know how this relates to Hau because his entire character is based on overcoming the Trials to beat his grandfather, and by extension you
Because you´re basing your reasoning on how similar yours and Hau´s relation is to Red and Blue, Ethan and Silver, etc.

>She's the protagonist of the Aether story. You can really say the game's split between her, Hau and Gladion while you're the one helping them develop along the way
Lillie clearly is more relevant than the other two.

>>30418330
No shit you one shotted it. You grinded and had a priority bug move.

>>30418387
I´m not saying the game was easy though, I´m saying Hau is. Of course you fags will move the goalposts to the entire game or make this about exp share.

>>30418527
the moment you saw golisopod's design you knew it had to be on your team, anon

>>30418528
>That´s what I implied, yeah.
Which we know isn't true unless a player did any additional grinding

>>30418387
>Sunny Day
>Litten used Ember
Memes aside, should used fire moves

>>30417684
His Raichu isn't a problem no matter how you play. Stop being shit at building a team.

You get more exp by swapping Pokemon in and out by the way.

>>30418588
I didn´t.

>>30418387
>tfw picked Litten

So i pop a dire attack and then fire fang, literal babbymode

>>30418325
Hau is incredibly weak.

>>30418575
You do realise the only reason you wouldn't have any difficulty against him is if you used the exp share or did any grinding right?

The game is designed to out level you with each island and that specific Hau battle was the first thing you battle on that island.

>>30418588
I had a team of four around level 30 when I fought Hau just by battling all the trainers on a route and catching everything on a route (which requires chaining S.O.S. battles for a few of them). Never had the Exp. Share on, avoided Refresh like the plague so I wouldn't get boosted experience from there, playing with Set which means I have to manually switch in trainer battles (which means both Pokémon get 100% experience due to the Gen VI system). Does that count as "grinding" to you?

>>30417684
>Proper way
>implying

So are you saying you've talked to the devs behind SuMo and they've told you what there vision was as to how the game should be played? Because i dont think that's the case, so then your claim becomes pure opinion and by extension pure shit

>>30418665
According to this thread, "grinding" means doing any battle that isn't completely necessary for the story
That's fucking stupid

>>30418387
I was faster than it and 2 ko'd it with toucannon

>>30418665
>You do realise the only reason you wouldn't have any difficulty against him is if you used the exp share or did any grinding right?
Yes, a game is more difficult if you handicap yourself.

>>30418665
Or maybe you had a fucking Mudbray

>>30418692
>and catching everything on a route (which requires chaining S.O.S. battles for a few of them).
What do you think.
Those sos battles made the majority of the difference.
Oh and the normal level you should be at that point is about 25-27. 30 is over leveled.

>>30418665
Exp share on or off is moot point when you can dodge trainer battles, which is the easiest Ive seen. Did you even play the game or did you watch somemone and you think you know how it works.
Protip theres only 1 forced battle on Route 2

>>30418745
>handicap
Sorry but the game doesn't start with the exp share. By using it the only thing you've done is play easy mode and not the what was intended.

>>30418225
Rivals have ALWAYS cleared gyms after you do other than Blue.

If you go back to BW, Cheren beats every gym after you do, and Bianca beats it after him.

Pikachu doesn't fucking matter either, why would he?

>>30418782
>What do you think.

I think I was playing the game 100% naturally without cheesing it.

I admittedly could have used more than four Pokémon, but two of the Pokémon I wanted weren't available until the third island.

>>30418831
>Sorry but the game doesn't start with the exp share.
It´s given to you at the beggining.

But hey, going by your logic, you dont have any mons when you begin the game, so I guess having pokémon with you is playing easy mode and not the intended way.

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>>30418330
Torracat was't fast enough to leech him. Everyone else stood like dust in wind. I haven't felt like this since fighting Gary at Lavender Town. Feels nice desu.

>>30418888
Checked

>>30418825
Why would anyone want to dodge trainer battles? This confuses me. They're part of the game so why would someone want to skip that?

>>30418862
>It´s given to you at the beggining
Well after you've started the game.

>you dont have any mons when you begin the game, so I guess having pokémon with you is playing easy mode and not the intended way.
Another mistake on your end anon. The game doesn't begin until you reciece your first pokemon.

>>30418225
"You're the rival, not him."
That's like saying you're a parent without children.

>>30418888
you're underleveled, man. you should always be not lower than 2 levels under the opponent's highest level.

>>30418913
Apparently, that means you´re having extra grinding and makes the game more difficult and you´re not supposed to battle them, you have to leave them standing unbattled.

>>30418926
>Well after you've started the game.
I hope you didn´t catch and use any mon after that.

>Another mistake on your end anon. The game doesn't begin until you reciece your first pokemon.
>another
I´m not the one making shit up to justify being bad at a game.
Ok, so you just used your starter I guess. Otherwise it would be hypocritical

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>>30416785
Grimer would die to one or two Electro Balls, and would not be able OHKO with Bite or whatever at that point in the game. When I first faced Hau after the Aether detour every single monster I had was outsped and OHKOed by Raichu's Psychic, bar Misdreavus who survived one but couldn't do anything meaningful in return. I found it such complete horseshit that I reloaded my save from Aether Paradise and switched around my team specifically to kick his ass. Raticate took care of Raichu well enough, being pretty fast itself, but I still struggled to take down his Flareon because a lot of my mons were weak to Fire.

Pick related is the team that defeated him.

>>30418839
>I think I was playing the game 100% naturally without cheesing it.
No one said grinding is cheesing the game anon. However any way you look at it you were grinding via SOS battles and catching every Mon. You do remember that exp is now given upon capture right?

His Raichu took out my Brionne in out hit, I when panic mode and lost lol.

Can't wait for the next fight, trying not to over grind to keep it challenging, this gonna be fun.

>>30418913
Should be asking why do trainers have a neutral state if youre intended to battle them. Why wouldnt you skip them.

>>30416790
I went
>no items in battle
>no exp share
>no megas
>Set
in Y and Omega Ruby, and the same thing in Sun except no Z moves too.

Sun is significantly more challenging than any Gen 6 game.

>>30418972
>he thinks battling every trainer is grinding
Damn son are you retarded?
No one ever said that battling every trainer is grinding. Hell you can't even over level because trainers have one or two Mon.
If you're at a level above Hau at that point the only explanation is that you were grinding or are playing easy exp mode. I mean the game purposely jacks up the level each island to accommodate for the trainers you battle before.

>>30418960
see>>30419004

Isn't it wonderful how different everyone's experiences are based on how they play and build their teams

hau was shit. gladion was cool, but still no challenge.

honestly only anabel and mina gave me ANY sort of trouble and they're both post game.

>>30418960
Actually for that point in the game that's reasonable.

>>30419159
No, obviously everyone should play like me because I've been playing pokemon for 20 years and I know better than everyone else.

>>30419176
>anabel and mina
How shit on a scale of 1/incredibly are you?

There's no reason you should be losing to them.

>>30419178
no, it's not. if the fixed battle with the rival upon reaching island 3 has his team be around level28, you cannot be below level 26. how do you? skip trainers? why? they're there for you to beat.

>>30416790
>definitely not
>key trainers have IV and EV boosted mons
>not harder

>>30419238
I did not skip any trainers and my team of three was around 24 at that fight.

>>30419159
Yes actually. I don't think I've seen a pokemon game differ so much depending on how you've played in a long while. It's rather refreshing to hear all of the differences, shitposting about specifics and assumptions aside.

>>30419136
>Damn son are you retarded?
Are you? I´m mocking that idea, which is what many people here imply. Dont be this dense.

>If you're at a level above Hau at that point the only explanation is that you were grinding or are playing easy exp mode.
And? You´re allowed to do those, you don´t need to hack the game to grind or use the exp share. You should judge the difficulty of the game based on what you´re provided with.
By your logic, we shouldnt use any pokémon that isnt the starter, and no tms or items on the starter either.

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>>30417038
>Romantic interest in Lillie

When? He didn't really give a shit about either of you. He just wants to have fun.

>>30419127
In a sense yeah, but that not hard to archive, makes me wonder why Game Freaks decided to get rid of the Hard Mode Black 2 introduced in gen 5, if Sun and Moon had a hard mode it would just need to give each trainer 3 more levels and add an extra Pokemon out of the same typing team they have to satisfy the difficulty fags everywhere, that not hard to do.

>>30419293
I had 5 pokemon and they were all level 27/28 by the time I reached that fight. never fought a single wild pokemon... and no exp. maybe I used too many switch-outs, thus doubling my exp.

>>30417376
alolan persian evolves with friendship

I had one at level 19

>>30419301
Because he started crying when he finds out Lillie is leaving but honestly I'd do the same if one of my close friends moved away

>>30419238
Anon, the trainers don't allow you to reach those levels unless of course you're using the exp share or hacked in a lucky egg. Remember at that point they only have one or two Pokémon which is barely enough for a team of two let alone six.

If you hadn't noticed the game raises levels considerably between the islands and that's part of what makes the game and that specific Hau battle somewhat difficult. That said it's well within the range of possibility.

And it's also why you can actually lose that battle.

>>30419392
Oh, totally man. That's a normal reaction, especially someone you've been on such a journey with. I'd imagine if MC left he'd start crying, too.

>>30419407
uhm.. dude, that's the levels I had when I reached island 3 and I did NOT grind or use the exp. share.

once again: I switch-out a lot. I always keep all pokemon the same level within 2-3 fights. so I switch around the lead pokemon a lot and I switch in battle a lot. I earned MORE exp than someone just using the exp share.

>>30419392
>>30419438

What about the important thing he wants to tell her?

>>30419392
>>30419438
Is it different in Moon? In Sun he was crying but said something about never getting to tell her something. The way I read it that was the only line of implication in the entire game for romantic interpretation, but otherwise yeah Hau's just friends with everybody ever

>>30419300
>which is what many people here imply. Dont be this dense.
Nigga you're literally the only one saying that battling trainers are grinding.
Are you even paying attention or do you like making up shit she you're wrong?
I mean Jesus Christ, there aren't even enough trainer Mon to over level and the exp system is designed to make it harder.
>You should judge the difficulty of the game based on what you´re provided with.
This isn't a fucking platformer dumbass, this is an RPG of course its going to be easy as piss if you grind or use the items specifically designed to make the game easy. The only way to fairly judge the difficulty is to play without any modifiers and abide by the level scaling.

By your logic using transfered bred and EV trained Mon is a fair way to judge difficulty over playing vanilla. There's nothing wrong with it and the game allows it so where's the problem right?

>>30419501
So in other words you did inadvertently grind.

if anything hau wants that gladion dick
he's supportive of lillie, sure, but he's really focused on gladion after their first meeting

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>>30419533
Well... there are lots of mistranslations in the game

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>>30416100
>always smiling
>tells jokes that make himself laugh
>positive attitude
You will never enjoy life as much as Hau does.

>>30419682
The one downside to playing JRPGs.
At least of doesn't have any namco or atlus tier translations.

>>30419682

Sure there are.

>>30416643

Did you use EXP share? I mean I beat him with a severely underleveled team but he was tough as fuck.
If Wishi Washi School Form wasn't so hilariously overpowered I would've lost.

>>30419667
no, grinding is purposefully battling wild pokemon to gain levels you wouldn't have gained if you didn't battle these optional wild battles.

switching out during a battle because type-advananges/moves isn't grinding. at all.

the exp system was made easier for little kids, but it doesn't change the concept of the word GRIND.

>>30419682
Not gonna lie, I'll take mistranslating the intent of a few lines over literally just putting in memes instead of translating (like tons of XY's dialogue).

>>30416790

>almost all totem pokemon can be one-shot with z-moves

Have you actually ever tried that? The Totem Aura protects them from Z moves

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>>30419670
Don't give me any ideas

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>>30419689
Really, I'd love to live life like Hau. He just does not give a shit what anyone says and lives every day to the fullest exactly how he wants to. Nothing gets him down, he just keeps pushing along and tries harder, but not so much that it'd ruin his life.

What the fuck is up with this thread? Why is everyone sucking Hau's dick?

His team feels like it was designed to be weak against anything you catch. His starter is weak against yours, and his rest of the team feels like it was designed to be weak against anything you catch. He has a strong Raichu. I'll give him that. But when half the fucking region is Super Effective against it, including 2 of the starters, it doesn't even matter. Add in the Z-moves, which have priority and hit really hard, and you can easily take care of it. You have to be really unprepared to have your team swept by it. Even my 9 year old cousin didn't lose against him, though she was using EXP Share.

As far as his character goes, he's the least interesting one in the whole game. This game is filled with great characters, but Hau is not one of them. His whole existence is irrelevant. His whole personality starts "haha" and ends with "Malasada".

>B-but he shows frustration when he loses to you late in the game
Yeah, he doesn't like losing. No shit. What a great fucking character.
It feels like they planned something for him, then scrapped it all and just left him in there. He serves no purpose.
It could be that they have something planned for him in future games, but as it stands, he's just another "friend" character like the shits from XY. He's a million times better than them, though. I'll give him that.

>>30419689
>You will never see Hala so fly into such a inconsolable rage at your dad fucking off from becoming Kahuna that you'll both just smile while you know your grandpa is holding back for your sake.
Kinda glad I don't have to go through the specifics.

>>30419818
So do that, then.

>>30419736
Grinding's definition in RPGs was always using various methods to gain additional skills/levels before their intended point in them game.

What you have done is inadvertently exploit the system to do that.
With that said not even constant switching nets you enough EXP to over level in this game. To match maybe but never over especially considering the exp system reduces the amount of exp if you're higher than your opponent.

>>30419005
>You do remember that exp is now given upon capture right?

Yes, and that's the game's fault. I have always captured every Pokémon on a given route. That the game changed this and did not alter the difficulty to reflect it is the game's fault entirely.

This isn't like the Exp. Share where you can turn it on/off. Telling me to never catch Pokémon is like telling me to do a Nuzlocke.

I'm at the area before the ghost trial and I have 135 Pokémon caught, because it's a way to lengthen the time between cutscenes. I haven't even caught every Pokémon available thus far because of bullshit like Beldum 3/255 catch rate. I have not evolved any of these Pokémon that aren't on my team, except Happiness evolutions (since they just require one level and most are baby Pokémon so it doesn't take much Exp.) and stone evolutions. How is this egregious in any way?

>>30419839

>Z-moves, which have priority

Okay seriously has anyone of you even played the game

>>30419839
His personality is one thing but his team is meant to counter common types and Mon the player would find which is why he's given the Eeveelution that's stronger than yours.

>>30419883
no, grinding stems from your intent. there's no "inadvertedly" grinding. grindin is saying "ok, I'm underleveled and I want to gain more levels before this next battle I'm having".

if you know you're going to have a gym battle, and you go back a route and fight wild pokemon = you're grinding.

if you batle all the available trainers and the game gives you enough exp to be at the same level (like I was) as the trainer = not grinding.

grinding is with purpose.

>>30419892
>I'm grinding but I don't want to say it!
Come on anon.
There's no needmto continue this, you've just admitted it.

>>30418705
So you're saying GF intended for players to one shot all opposition and not get any challenge out of the game at all?

I cant skip any trainer, I like to see what weird lewd shit they have to say

>>30417207
> Catching them all
> grinding

That's what caused me to have high levels at least. I somehow keep forgetting XP for catching is a thing.

>>30419982
>the game gives you enough exp to be at the same level
Not him but it doesn't even with switching out

>rival once again has only a single grandparent raising them
>completely absent father and mother

So basically Hau is the anti-Blue.

>>30416749
>Barry and Wally being shit

They are easily the hardest rivals in Gen I-VI, what the fuck are you on.

>>30420049
>counting postgame

>>30420012
Same. Also, what the fuck is up with just how many of the adult trainers say vaguely sexual shit to an 11-year-old?

This is my current team. Just beat the Ghost trial. I feel underleveled as fuck. I actually lost to Mimikyu the first time around because I didn't want to evolve my Rowlet. Mimikyu actually forced me to evolve it to beat it.

I fear the next Hau battle, he'll prolly rape me. Plumeria (and Team Skull in general) are weak as fuck though

>>30420100
nice team

>>30416100
I genuinely don't understand how so many people keep saying Sun/Moon were hard.

Is /vp/ truly overtaken by casuals? It's insane how many people keep sucking Sun/Moon's dick because of how "hard" it is, when the only games easier than it were the Gen 6 games.

>>30418726
>having Toucannon that early
Toucannon evolves at lvl34 and the totem was in the late 20's. No wonder it was easy as shit for you

>>30420045
>extreme positive instead of that kid
>picks the weak starter
>not a complete pushover
Huh

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>>30420100

Fug

>>30420100
Eh next Hau battle isn't the first battle on the island so he's not that much trouble.

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>>30419986
I'm not fucking grinding. Catching 'em all is not grinding. Playing the fucking game is not grinding. I am not ABUSING any mechanics. I am playing the game naturally, I've turned off every switchable mechanic that can make the game easier and I'm just playing the game regularly.

I haven't even fought the fucking trial captains (because I didn't know they were able to be battled before postgame until today). I could be even more leveled than I am without grinding if I knew about them.

Is going to optional areas and seeing what trainers and Pokémon are there "grinding," too? Am I required to just walk from Point A to Point B as routed by Rotomdex so I can get the highest density of Lillie cutscenes per minute to not be "grinding?"

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>>30418387
This fucker was the real MVP of my playtrough in Sun. Snorlax is the shit. Can never resist using it if the games give me a chance.

I've literally never lost to a rival in any Pokemon game, but Hau was the closest. That Raichu is a machine, but luckily my Lycanroc got a Bulk Up off, and finished him with Accelerock.

Also, does anyone else find him to be really cute? I'm not gay either

>>30420167
Dude, you know catching Mon rewards you with exp.
You know sos battles require you to defeat several Mon in succession.
Hell grinding's definition originates from doing repetitive tasks for certain skills or levels. If SoS battles didn't reward exp you would still be grinding for the the Pokémon specific to sos battles in a similar way to say, grinding rathlos or the bomb summon in FF4.

There are multiple ways to look at this and they all say that you were grinding.

>>30420167

Just ignore him, he's autistic.
Only reason your Pokemon net in more EXP is because you use 4 instead of six.
The truth is every Pokemon game can easily be beaten by just using one single Pokemon and dumping all the EXP into it. Almost every kid beat Red with that strategy and most kids don't even the difference between EXP share on because they just breeze through the game with one Pokemon.

Pokemom has always been easy and always will be. People who complain about the Pokemon story being too easy are simply autistic neckbeards.

If you wanna make it more interesting you try to keep an equally leveled team of 6 with no EXP share but even then it just turns from cakewalk to midly more interesting challenge

>losing to Hau
>losing to anyone

Almost every single storyline battle in the game is preceded with:
>Let me heal your Pokemon first!
and
>Are you ready now? Let's battle!
with Yes or No choices like
>Let's do it!
>Just a minute...

How can anyone lose to story battles? You're never blindsided by anything during the story because the game holds your hand every step of the way.

>>30420310
>playing the game is grinding because I said so
Yep, it's autism.

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>>30420313
I do have a full team now at least. My Pokémon range from Level 34-36 except my Sandshrew which is still level 29, I kind of went full retard with catching things once I got to Tapu Village, still haven't done the Ghost Trial.

>>30420310
If you have to rely on "w-well technically" then you're just bullshitting at this point.

>>30420313
>Only reason your Pokemon net in more EXP is because you use 4 instead of six.
Not either of them but I used a team of 4 and still didn't net enough exp over level.
Also that guy was also catching everything and doing sos battles so there's the extra xp.

>>30420409
>If you have to rely on "w-well technically" then you're just bullshitting at this point.
You do realise "well technically" only applies to the last comparison and not everything else I said right?

That's hardly "relying" on that point. Now try and focus instead of trying to take the easy way out.

>>30420081

They are harder both in the post-game and before that.

>>30420167
>I am not ABUSING any mechanics
Dude, this is Pokemon.
The mechanics are EXTREMELY easy to abuse.
You abused S.O.S battles plain and simple. Ain't no text walls that can get you out of that one.

The game even tries to compensate level wise in each area and you were ABOVE that. Are you really trying to deny this shit now?

>>30416472

>Difficulty with Serena

No you didn't, Serena is second only to the original ruby/sapphire rivals in terms of difficulty.

Hau despite the gate is slightly more difficult mostly because of the Aloa Raichu's base speed being a tier above the average Aloa pokemon.

>>30420588
Main game Wally and Barry were utterly pathetic. You aren't trying to say you found it hard are you?

>>30420687
>Serena
>second to anything

>>30420124
Toucannon evolves at level 28

>>30416184
The only reason I lost to Hau is because my team at the time of the battle was this (it was the one where he first debuts his Raichu)

brionne
spearow
Crabrawler
Comfey (under leveled since just caught)

>>30416100
>POGEYMANS R AWESOME XD
>DUDE FOOD LMAO

no

>>30416184
>>30416246
You can lose to Hau in the Malie City encounter. Lusamine in her first battle and Gladion right before heading to Aether Paradise to fight Team Skull and Aether Foundation.

I lost to Gladion and I was genuinely upset because I wasn't ready, fucker practically called me weak and ended up getting away with it.

>>30420509
>Now try and focus

Focus on what? I've explained why what I'm doing isn't grinding, other people have backed me up, and you're just saying "but the definition is" ignoring the spirit of why people look down on grinding, which is because the player is going out of their way to overlevel.

I have not done that. I've combed through routes looking for 5% encounters, gone through all the optional paths like Seaward Cave/Ten Carat Hill/the upper area of Mount Hokulani/etc., searched all the sea areas to get those 1% fishing encounters that only go up to 20% with the ripples, grabbed the exclusive S.O.S. Pokémon like Mareanie and Castform, I've put 45 hours into the game doing all these things. I've done nothing but play the game normally, I haven't done anything out of the ordinary.

>>30420638
>You abused S.O.S battles
I caught S.O.S. Pokémon. I wasn't grinding for extra experience or EV training, I only did them long enough for Pokémon like Pangoro and Whiscash to appear. There are 39 Pokémon that only appear via S.O.S. battles as well as some that have a much higher encounter rate in S.O.S. battles (Butterfree has a 1% encounter rate in Melemele Meadow but a 20% encounter rate when Caterpie or Metapod calls for an ally), Game Freak should not have put them in the game or made them so hard to find if we weren't allowed to catch them or take advantage of methods that make them more likely to appear.

>The game even tries to compensate level wise in each area and you were ABOVE that.
It clearly doesn't if I was above it, because like I said, I've done nothing that isn't naturally encouraged by the game. S.O.S. battles are mandatory to get certain Pokémon unless you want to level up their pre-evolutions (which would be real grinding).

People who are saying Hau was easy were the same bads playing with EXp Share on.

>>30420727

I'm obviously talking about her being easy, which is why I brought up the original ruby/sapphire rivals who are a joke and never fully evolved their starters.

>>30420856
Remember where I said the game is easy as shit to abuse?
You've just described how you did it. Thanks.

Jesus, this is the "I shouldn't have to turn if off" all over again. If you fucked yourself over then at least accept half of the blame dumbass.

>>30420951
That's the thing, even with NFEs they were more challenging.
Serena was just that bad.

I like how everyone defaults to Serena and not the XY rival by the way.

>>30416100
>gets really strong and isn't a pushover

So I'm post game and just want to ask: when *does* Hau get challenging?

Hau wasn't very hard because I had Charjabug. Bug-type moves for his Raichu, electric-type attacks for his Vaporeon. I even picked Litten, so his Dartrix was also weak to Charjabug's bug moves on top of Torracat's fire. Don't even remember the rest of his team, but I didn't have any trouble. Didn't use EXP Share or grind.

Game didn't start getting tough until the Nanu battle.

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>actually losing at a game for children
The only tough fights in the game are the female detective if you fight her immediately after the E4, since she's like 10 levels higher than you, and the Red/Blue fight where they're not only higher than you, but fight you when you're not at full health.

Even then you have to be pretty bad to lose to them.

>>30420968
Catching Pokémon for the Pokédex is not the same as using the Exp. Share. Every game, since Red and Blue, has strongly encouraged the player to catch as much shit as possible. Sun and Moon might do that even more than past games by giving you a talking Pokédex that's with you at all times.

Some of the Pokémon you have to catch are locked behind a mechanic that happens to be abuseable. I caught those Pokémon, and you're accusing me of intentionally grinding (there's no such thing as unintentionally grinding, like a different anon said). Saying you're not allowed to catch Pokémon because of this new mechanic is like saying you're not allowed to switch until your Pokémon was KO'd.

>>30419635
Don't you get it anon, you're being completely autistic about what exp is or isn't for natural grinding. The game wants you to catch pokemon, and fight wild battles, even during the main story line. Catching them and fighting the ones in your way to progress the story should never be something you have to avoid to in a game like pokemon.

>>30421063
same here....

>>30416790
>>30416790
The game is objectively harder due to the inclusion of trainers having access to Z-Moves, IV & EVs and having more than a single trainer be capable of making switches in battle. Which is a lot more than XY could say with almost no one but being able to use Megas.

It's not "difficult" because in reality no Pokemon game is designed to be difficult but it's an improvement over the Gen 6 games. Which is why so many people who're telling you it's hard were playing with their own house rules because they expected it to be easier than Gen 7 which it literally isn't when it comes to important trainer battles, everything else is fodder.

Also it's Pokemon, Team Composition, Movesets and item usage all play in to how "difficult" of a time you'll have in any game. Clearly and for quite obvious reasons, not everyone is going to care about having perfect coverage on their team and would rather power through with what they like over what's more useful for a particular fight. This is why people say the games are "hard". You just played more methodically than others/got luckier.

I personally ended a couple later important battles underleveled and surviving in the red with a single Pokemon. While only dominating the early ones.

If you utilize all the mechanics and items available to you, every Pokemon game is brain dead easy because that's just how they're made.

>>30419760
You can definitely one shot Totems with Z-Moves, took out Totem Lurantis with Inferno Overdrive and Totem Kommo-o died instantly to whatever the Fairy one is.

>>30421075
>fight you when you're not at full health

only if you're a retard that doesn't know you NEVER enter a new area if you're not fully healed. one quick check on the flying map and you'd notice you can fly back to the tree's entrance and just heal at any pokemon center.

>>30416100
That's because you must be absolute complete trash OP. I beat the game w no problems. My HOF was Dragonite, Umbreon, Zygarde, Decidueye (nicknamed Hermy Wubs), Solgaleo (nicknamed Mr. Muffins), and Crobat. never lost to Hau, if you use zygrade as ground type all his raichu can use is physic because electric moves won't effect you. I completely wrecked the Pokemon league as well.

>>30416509
>using magnemite on raichu

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SM has harder trainers (Z-Moves, good IV/EV and better movesets), but XY had harder level design.
Look at Victory Road here. Nothing in SM comes close to this. The closest would be Poni Canyon, but it's still much shorter, with less branching path, and you get healed three times while going through it. And XY has multiple huge dungeons like this. SM only has Poni Canyon and the desert. XY routes tend to have more unavoidable grass patch, meaning more random encounter, and PMC were more spread out.

>>30421262
>used a pseudo and two legendaries
>game was easy

no shit

>>30418475
>Silver
I don't remember him beating the gyms

>>30421348
Level design means next to nothing in RPGs.

>>30421077
>Catching Pokémon for the Pokédex is not the same as using the Exp. Share. Every game, since Red and Blue, has strongly encouraged the player to catch as much shit as possible. Sun and Moon might do that even more than past games by giving you a talking Pokédex that's with you at all times.

No they remove the national dex which is...actually pretty puzzling. If anything this is very discouraging and makes it hard to keep track of what you still need/lack.

>>30421454
Why?

>>30421262
Another shitposter huh?
And you know how I know?

You can't even get Zygarde by that point.

>>30421348
>SM has harder trainers

Wut. S/M was button mashingly easy and I found it overall to be slightly easier than X/Y.

An accomplishment, considering how easy X/Y actually were.

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>people actually lose to anybody other than members of the Pokemon league or battle facilities

I noticed there are two types of people. Those that had a shitty team and got wiped by raichu and those that had rape horse or dugtrio.

>>30416184
You can lose to Sina too.

>>30421516
How? The Alola Pokedex keeps track of every Pokemon in the game besides legendaries and island scan Pokemon. Every legendary that isn't a gifted Pokemon is at the end of the dex, and the island scan Pokemon aren't needed for any kind of completion and tell you where they are when you scan for them.

>>30421516
> Was all excited to port over my living dex come January to see my giant dex with all the sprites for my mons.

Fuck me that sucks. I loved opening my dex in ORAS and seeing every pokemon ever on that little screen.

>>30421516
Well you're encouraged to finish the regional Dex at least. Removing the National Dex is definitely bullshit but I haven't gotten far enough to worry about that. Hopefully the homebrew Pokébank clones include some mechanic that lets you keep track.

>>30421546
Ignoring the improved ai and move sets and the minmaxed trainers as well asma handful that use late game items?

Yeah no.
The inclusion of items alone makes it more challenging than most pokemon games as the most you would get is an Oran or Sitrus on gym leaders and the E4.

>>30421571

Yes. Over 500 pokemon left is like, no big deal at all.
It's like Rotom being in pokedex, but you can't register it your pokedex. Master storytelling.

>>30421550
I had a shitty team and beat Raichu easily with Sucker Punch Raticate.

>>30417684
>comfy
A term used exclusively by shitters

>>30416472
>I had a more difficult time against the piss easiest rival since original gen 3.

>>30421624
>improved ai

Hah. Thats a good joke. Did we play the same game? AI was just as dumb as always.

As for items...I mean, it sure is hard when a trainer says they're gonna use this item! No way to prepare for that!

I'm talking story trainers, sport. Things outside the battle tree.

>>30421630
You can't catch those other 500 Pokemon in Alola. Why does it matter that the Pokedex doesn't track them for you, why does it matter that it doesn't let you know what you're missing, out of those 500, when you can't even catch them anyway?

No national dex sucks, but it doesn't effect your ability to catch everything in Alola at all.

>>30418665
Or you use A-Muk which walls Raichu's asshole

>>30419759
Why not just translate it to the next best thing then instead of engrish?

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>>30421642
>a pokemon used exclusively by shitters

>>30417158

Oh man, a 95 sp attack thunderbolt, whatever the fuck will we do!?

>>30419014
They don't they have a different stance when wanting to battle. Hell, a Swimmer(i think?) who bends down and touches his toes can see you when you walk behind them and engage you in battle.

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>>30421679
The last trainer on route 3 has a combo of setting up Stealth Rock then using a wall with Red Card. Sure, it's still easy because of the levels of his mons, but it's still better than what XY had.
You know what the last trainer on route 3 of XY has?
This.

I'm not sure how, but Guzma's Ariados swept my team in the first encounter. I raged and soft reset. What does he do after he wins?

>>30421742
>implying maximum comf isnt a power house

>>30421834
It'll just say you blacked out and warp you back to the poke center.

I wiped to his fucking Masquerain in the second battle with him. Couldn't believe it at all.

>>30421681
Yes, it does not effect my ability collect and trade for things outside the alolan dex at all.
It's a good thing thats not a vast majority of mons, especially some you can island scan.

>>30421827
This is hardly fair when Sun/Moon routes are giant bare patches that work differently than the numerous routes X/Y give you.

With that said, the AI was rarely smart enough to stealth rock. I think I saw it once in my four plays?

Having the moves is not the same as setting them up. Especially when said trainer told you exactly what was coming.

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>>30421899
Sweeping with
>Ariados
>Masquerain

King of NU

>>30421742
Not when i could put Tsareena on the team, an actual power house

>>30421679
>I'm talking story trainers, sport.
You haven't played SM have you.

All of what that anon said is true about the main game. You even have regular trainers buffing up and healing when necessary.

Why are you trying to act as if they didn't improve the game? Did you abuse the EXP share and ruin it for yourself or something?

>>30422055
There aren't that many trainers in the game that have stealth rocks to begin with but entry hazards and boosting moves are utilized a lot more in this game from my experience.

>>30422055
>This is hardly fair when Sun/Moon routes are giant bare patches that work differently than the numerous routes X/Y give you
XY ain't that much better in that regard you know. The only real difference is that the world was based on a grid. I think there way be less trainers too.

I think I did my first run perfectly according to the level curve on accident. Through the fiest three islands I had the exp share off, and then after the level jump on Poni Island I turned it on and from there I was pretty much perfectly on par with everything in the game.

>People acting like XY had any difficulty
What the FUCK is happening in this thread?

>>30422120
>You haven't played SM have you.

I'm currently playing the Battle Tree having completed the main game, and a fair amount of post game. Exp share was always set to off because there was never a time I needed it, I didn't use affection boosts either. The only thing I really lost early game was munchlax setting up happy hour and that was if the AI managed to accidentally stumble into a crit or something.

It sounds more like a few anons went in stupid or something and are acting like these games aren't hand holdingly easy like X/Y. Even if what you said was true, I can't call this game an improvement in any sense of the word. Between the natonal dex, four cut battle types, and trainers still being piss easy I really don't get the hype this gen.

Even if I throw you a bone and say it's harder, if theres still no danger of loss involved what so ever what progress was really made? They still have yet to make a battle system where it feels like a battle and not just clicking a super effective move once, maybe twice, and calling it a game.

>>30422298
>People acting like XY OR SM had any difficulty

let me fix that for you. Seriously did the leak kids never leave the board or something?

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>>30422055
>I think I saw it once in my four plays?

You've played through SM four times already?

>>30422392
Of course he hasn't.

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>>30422202
Sorry but for all of XY's flaws this one isn't true. XY has longer routes and it forces you into grass patches/swamp/caves (areas with random encounters) much more often than SM. SM routes tend to be short, with grass patches mostly being avoidable, and there's almost no caves in the game. Look at Reflection Cavem Route 14, Frost Cavern off the top of my head, those are all designed to make you fight multiple encounters in a row. SM routes are designed so you can easily go back to the Pokemon Center at any time and avoid any grass on the way there (and on the way back)

>>30422071
Didn't Masquerain get a +40 stat boost? I haven't paid attention to Smogon but I'd assume that would help it rise up at least one tier, it's not like it doesn't have a good moveset.

>>30422392
>>30422440

I was a leak player, played Moon first. Purchased both games and have been through Sun once, and actually turned off my game without saving through the third Moon run so I fought the trainer four times.

Word it wonky, my bad.

>>30422348
I like how you have to write out a text wall simply to try and defend your view points that's completely ruined by the game itself.

>>30422489
>I like how you have to write out a text wall simply to try and defend your view points that's completely ruined by the game itself.

It just seems more like people grasping at straws trying to make Sun/Moon seem hard.

Unless it hard a hard mode I managed to somehow miss? The game can't really ruin a viewpoint when it really, truly, was an easy ride.

>>30422476
I'm a leak player too, but even with the leak's release date of 11/9, you've had little over three weeks to play the game. I can't imagine playing it more than once in this timespan, wouldn't you want to do postgame and shit?

>>30422451
One word.
Scale.

Thee may seem large when viewing them like that but in game they're horribly short and cramped for an adventure RPG.

>>30422489
>text wall

You must be new here.

>>30422348

I'm kind of inclined to agree with this point because SunMoon is...variable difficulty at best.
People talk about Lurantis summoning castform to help but i've never seen it: all I get is birds.
Hard to call a game consistently hard when the bouts of difficulty are just more bouts of "bad luck" from my two plays of experience.

>>30422532

Well there wasn't really any postgame besides the battle tree I was interested in, and catching the ultrabeasts is something I saved for a legit game because I couldn't trade them until street date anyway.

Game isn't terribly hard to speedrun and routes are small this gen. Wanted to try a lot of new pokemon in the context of the story anyway, with bonus points to Alolan Grimer/Muk pretty much fucking with every early game(and even some late game) totems.

>>30422550
The scale doesn't mean anything, I'm talking about the game forcing you in random encounters. I literally just went through Frost Cavern last week, I know how much random encounters it took, the scale doesn't mean anything. The areas are designed so you get more encounters.

>>30422550
That's not how scale works retard. XY routes are bigger than SM routes despite your character being shorter. So not only are SM routes smaller in size, you also get through them faster because your character is bigger.

>>30422529
>It just seems more like people grasping at straws trying to make Sun/Moon seem hard.
You do realise the only one grasping is you right? You've barely attempted to even address the points directly and instead have shifted it to a vague description of your own play through.

Oh and there's the level scaling of the game. When you reach the next island or the kahuna the level is raised above the regular levels expected from defeating all of the trainers.

>>30422692
>he thinks the trainer is shorter in XY in relation to the world
You have much to learn anon.

Then there's also the speed mind you. The XY trainer is considerably faster so unless you purposely slow down for some reason it shouldn't be or even feel longer.

Gotta say, Komala on Hau's team surprised me. EQ and Wood Hammer, good stuff.

>>30422768
>Oh and there's the level scaling of the game.

You were probably just under-leveled. While it sounds like the guy you were talking to is slightly better than the game at most, I can at least say I was rarely under leveled unless I skipped trainers.

>>30422529
Different people play different ways, but mostly anybody who claims a modern era pokemon is probably fairly new at them. Cut them some slack.

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>>30418225