VGC 2017 GENERAL

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Image: VGC 17 meta. Highest use pokemon.

This image was compiled by examining the top 25 teams on pokemon Showdown's vgc17 ladder. Since the last image was created, the torkoal and cheesy boosting strategies have lessened in use. This is because overall team design has become more confident, fluid, and efficient, so teams are losing less to these gimmick strategies. People are now damaging the torkoal before it uses eruption, which drastically lowers its power and leaves it as a dead weight. The new predominant strategy is simple balanced-offense with high powered 'mons.

There exists a prominent lower tier of high-use 'mons. These pokemon cannot be put onto any team, but they are important additions to certain teams and team designs. Ask questions about these for clarification.

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speed

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tier 1

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tier 2

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tier 3

>>30411605
How are people using nhiligeo when i looked at it stats and movepool it didnt seem to impressive.

>>30411734
it has 109 HP, 127 SpA, 131 SpDef, 103 Speed, and beast boost anon..

>>30411605
What teams do Mimikyu fit in?
Also
>no Komo-o in sight
so much for this regions pseudo

>>30411764


Also curious. Mimikyu is my bro and I would love to be able to use him viably.

Having trouble deciding what the forth move on my Wishiwashi should be. In a TR setup with Oranguru I'm running Surf/Endeavor/Protect, last move I thought of was EQ, but Grass Terrain from my Bulu mitigates the damage.

>>30411839
Ice Beam

>>30411908
Will try that out, thanks.

>>30411605
What mon(s) does Aerodactyl support? I know he gets tailwind and whirlwind (I think) for speed control and fucking over TR setters, and it's pretty fast on its own.

>>30411605
>alolan ninetails
That's pretty neat. I haven't been following VGC, what makes them viable? Is it just the doubles format, or are they actually just good?

Gyarados @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Atk / 52 Def / 24 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Ice Fang / Eartquake
- Protect
- Taunt

Guys, is my spread good for this bulky gyarados? Feel like adding Dragon dance though

>>30411980
Snow Warning + Aurora veil I guess

>>30411764
>>30411796
He is used as an alternative to Oranguru trick room setting. He has an easier time putting it up due to Disguise (basically guaranteed if you have a follow me user), but cannot abuse it as much as oranguru can. Mimikyu is the less risky, safer option for setting trick room, but you also get less potential out of it.

>>30411946
You don't really have many options.
You could also run helping hand I guess.

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best set for this guy?

>>30411980
There are 2 ways people play him:
Blizzard spammer with choice specs or the power item that boosts ice moves, or as an aurora veil setter. As far as my analysis informs me, the rest of the team should NOT be designed around hail. Hail is a bad weather and does not have any noteworthy effects besides increasing blizzard's effectiveness, which ninetales himself has, so there is no reason to double-up on ice types for your team.

How good are the Gyarados, Tapu Lele and Alolan Marowak trio? Everyone and their moms seem to advocate them for in VGC2k17.

>>30411605
What teams are using Araquanid? Feels like it would be good on a rain team?

>>30411994
..what do the EVs do?

>>30412138
>tfw Marowak and Gyarados are your favorites but you prefer Bulu to Lele
Just once I want to be able to meme teme using all pokemon that I like

>>30412144
araquanid's ability is a direct counter to torkoal and it has access to entraintment. Imagine araquanid uses water bubble on its allies epecially Gyarados, tapu fini and so on.

>>30412103
Better run this guy with TR support, since it's so slow. Quiet/Modest nature with full investment in Sp.Atk and the rest goes into any form of bulk. Go with Hyper Voice, Dragon Pulse, Protect and Flamethrower, you can run Draco Meteor instead of Pulse and it also has access to Roost.

>>30412165
..what do the EVs do?
180+ Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Celesteela: 51-60 (25 - 29.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

-1 252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Shadow Bone vs. 252 HP / 52 Def Gyarados: 87-103 (43 - 50.9%) -- 1.6% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

180+ Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Marowak-Alola: 128-152 (76.6 - 91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

-1 252 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 52 Def Gyarados: 52-63 (25.7 - 31.1%) -- Miniscule chance to 4HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

180+ Atk Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 156-188 (84.7 - 102.1%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

-1 252 Atk Krookodile Crunch vs. 252 HP / 52 Def Gyarados: 49-58 (24.2 - 28.7%) -- possible 5HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

-1 180+ Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Krookodile: 110-132 (54.4 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

-1 180+ Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arcanine: 110-132 (55.8 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

-1 252+ Atk Arcanine Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 52 Def Gyarados: 38-45 (18.8 - 22.2%) -- possible 6HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

252+ SpA Arcanine Burn Up vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Gyarados: 50-59 (24.7 - 29.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

252+ SpA Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 24 SpD Gyarados in Sun: 57-68 (28.2 - 33.6%) -- 39.5% chance to 4HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

180+ Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Torkoal in Sun: 50-62 (28.2 - 35%) -- 6.7% chance to 3HKO

180+ Atk Gyarados Ice Fang vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tapu Bulu: 68-80 (38.4 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

-1 252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 52 Def Gyarados in Grassy Terrain: 129-153 (63.8 - 75.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

>>30412138
I understand DosMarowak, but how does tapu lele fit into there?

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>>30411605
>No more Decidueye

IT'S NOT FAIR

>>30412204
Something about good coverage with a choice Lele with Moonblast, Psychic/Psyshock, Energyball and Thunderbolt.

>>30412144
Rain would be redundant imo. Araquanid is used as a fire attacks absorber and dealer of water damage, as well as for Lunge. It doesn't need rain because it does high enough damage with liquidation anyway, and if the enemy team has a water attacks counter the rain is not going to help it break through those counters, especially because araquanid in reality only has 1 effective move type (water). Every other attack it uses is underpowered due to not being boosted by the ability.

Right now it's mainly being used against the torkoal stragglers who are still around.

>>30412178
entrainment cheese is probably too slow and too obvious to work in a real game

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Has anyone been succesfull running Golispod?

>No Megas
>No non-Alola region Pokémon
>No Legendaries
>VGC17 looking to be a breath of fresh air from just the same five Pokémon on everyone's teams
>Ultra Beasts and Tapus everywhere

>>30411605
Gengar get some use, fuck yes.
When will people realize that losing Levitate is actually a big PLUS int this terrain war vgc.

>>30412299
no.

it is a pure utter shitmon with no redeeming qualities

>>30412178
>>30412275
Power Split, though?

>>30412419
It benefits the most from psychic terrain but priority moves are not real big in this generation anyway, and it was already immune to fake out. it would probably much rather have ground immunity, especially to switch in safely against marowak and kill it

>>30412434
How will you use that?

>>30412103
I ran a cloud 9 minimum speed set with assault vest back when torkoal was very popular. it could switch into torkoal and take almost no damage from the eruption then kill the thing with draco meteor

>>30412275
>entrainment cheese
Water Bubble Celesteela against non-Koko teams

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>>30412503
>back when torkoal was very popular

>>30412589
?

>>30412610
you're talking like we've been playing this format for years

>>30412420

but he looks cool

So for Tapu Lele one obviously wants to max Sp. Attack EVs. But after that what should i go for? HP or speed? I've got tailwind on my team so there is that.

>>30411617
Interesting list speed control list.
Are Bulldoze and Rock Tomb just not added?
>But String shot does?
I never see it in battle.
Ariados get Toxic Thread, a new move that both lower speed and poison target.
Electrivire has Motor Drive.
Jolteon has Quick Feet.

>mfw z-splash mimikyu
>mfw no face because it's too OP

I have made rated battle-spot my moist dripping cunt of a bitch with this guy as my lead

Bros, can Smeargle use Instruct? I think it has better potential than Oranguru in terms of support, but correct me if I'm wrong.

>>30412904
>wasting both your item slot and a move slot on a shitty z move that you can use once

Just get SD on there and sweep without Z-Splash

>>30411734
Really good stats and good anti-tapu matchups. Also good against Marowak so it's anti-anti-meta.

>>30412434
Illegal until bank.

>>30412925
Smeargle can use anything.
Except chatter.

>>30412925
Yes. But most teams that run Guru also run a smeargle for follow me. Smeargle instruct is not really that good, if you want to go that route Transform is better nine times out of ten.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7vgc2017-487277491

Friendly notice that Zygarde-10% (yes even Power Construct) is usable on Showdown, feel free to abuse it to ELO boost

>>30413318
And Dark Void.

>>30412904
>mom get the camera i'm BEWSTING

Battle looks like this:

-you waste a turn BOOSTAN
-enemy attacks with both pokemon and gets damage for free while you lag behind
-BUT WAIT IT'S TIME FOR MY EPIK BOOSTAN TO PAY OFF
-kill 1 enemy
-the other enemy kills you in 1 hit because you're a frail shitmon with low HP
>enemy wins not only overall in trade but also in overall momentum
>then you lose

nice BEWST bro it's pretty epic may i say.

there's a reason these homosexual boosting openings are dropping off fast from the ladder.

>>30413337
rip

>>30412904
>I beat random shitters on ladder with an extremely inefficient use of an item slot therefore it's good

yeah no. Z-Splash is less efficient and WAY less flexible than SD/LO.

>>30413354
>what are teammates

>>30411964
It's just used for tailwind opening.

>>30411605
why the fuck is smeargle on that list when he doesn't have dark void? what use could he possible have?

>>30413549
Literally everything else, from fake out to follow me.

>>30413549
....he can learn every fucking move in the entire game you fucking retard.

>>30413600
b-but his stats are utter shit

>>30413453
Yeah, which is what your gay "strat" is not considering. You're wasting a turn and a z-move to be EPIC MEMES while the enemy just makes basic damage plays to keep his momentum up, and uses his own z-move to OHKO you. On top of that, there are myriad things that can outspeed and OHKO.

>>30413646
Is Mimikyu (without z-splash) viable in dubs/vgc2017 tho?

>>30413721
Yeah use Swords Dance instead

>>30413645
I wanna fuck that thing.

>>30413453
>waste turn boosting on a single-target-only attacker who has 55 base hp and 96 base speed
>but it's okay i'm about to kill all of them! RAWR!!!
>get outsped by +1 gyarados, ded
>get outsped by garchomp, ded
>get outsped by gengar, ded
>get outsped by tapu koko, ded
>get outsped by tapu lele, ded
>celesteela survives your attack, ded
>enemy uses trick room, ded

"NUH UH!!! NUH UH!!! NONE OF THAT WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN!!!"
>perfect situation: enemy has no counters to mimikyu, nothing that can survive, nothing that can outspeed
>you attack into protect and now have a pokemon that wasted 2 full turns doing literally nothing: 1 turn for boosting and 2 turns for doing no fucking damage at all, then dies at the end of turn 2 when the ally attacks you

gosh... wow... hmm really makes u think

>>30413742
how

>>30413735
Jolly nature, I'd assume.
Item LO
SD / Shadow Claw / Play Rough / ???

What move in the 4th slot? Shadow Sneak? Leech Life?

>>30413786
>summons arm and hand from its butthol mouth
>fuck the gap between the arm and the entrance of the butthole mouth like it's an armpit-job
>or receive hand-job

>>30413786
It's got a hand in its mouth, right? I'm sure he'll think of something.

>>30413636
All Smeargle needs to be good in doubles is Follow Me and Fake Out. He's the only Pokemon that learn those two moves together iirc.

The other two moves are tailored to your team. Spore, Taunt, Transform, Spikey Shield/Baneful Bunker, Quick Guard, Wide Guard, Tailwind, + literally anything else.

Why is primarina so bad? Great coverage, great typing, good special bulk, huge sp.atk

You would think it hits like any other specs mon

>>30413839
I just like its roar. Would've preferred to keep brionne's look though.

I really like the look of Mimikyu and its unique typing.

What teammates would compliment it in vgc/dubs? Its stats seem a bit low, although it can SD and has decent speed.

>Torkoal, Pelipper, and Vanilluxe are all usable
>Torkoal and Pelipper are good, even

I never thought I'd see the day

>>30413829
I'm not sure I see their usefulness together.

>>30413877
Don't forget its godly ability, Disguise

>>30413829
>Not remembering some of the best moves

heh gotta keep em guessing. you'll see my team in top 15 soon

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>>30413903
tfw I used incineroar's z-move first thing on mimikyu during the trial in the abandoned supermarket

mfw

Holy shit I had no idea Figy Berry got buffed to 50% HP. That's pretty cool for Wishiwashi

>>30413812
The most common Mimikyu set in my experience is something like:

Mimikyu @ Mental Herb
Ability: Disguise
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpD
IVs: 0 Speed
Sassy Nature
-Play Rough/Shadow Claw
-Will-o-Wisp/Shadow Claw
-Trick Room
-Protect

Mimikyu's best niche in vgc is being a trick room setter that can only be stopped by roar or double taunt (Or the rare mold breaker crit hit through disguise or something), which is why you pair it with something that can taunt enemy roar/whirlwind users and or use follow me.

Does Crobat have any value as an unflinchable whirlywind user? STAB poison would be good for Tapus too, although its a bit weak to secure KOs.

>>30414006
>no Tailwind
>no Super Fang
I doubt it

Smeargle can offer a lot of utility that you you would normally have to carry 2 or 3 mons to have access too.
He's just an easy way to round out a team.

>>30413549
literally every other useful support move in the game? lmao

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IF I USE A Z-MOVE ON A PRIORITY MOVE DOES IT LOSE ITS PRIORITY???

>>30414005
Welp, time to acquire a 31/31/31/31/31/0 Ditto somehow. Any tips?

>>30414103
Yes.

>>30413949
Gluttony Muk is the best figy user.

>>30414006
Crobat is cucked by lack of tutors and losing a lot of his egg moves until bank, sadly.

Weavile is similarly cucked because it can't use knock off until bank.

>>30414006
>STAB poison would be good for Tapus too
no it wouldn't because it doesn't kill any of them and all of them OHKO back

weak ass trashmon useless garbage throw away do not look back

>>30414116
Have a buddy with Pkhex

>>30414116
PKHex, beg. Those are your options.

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Complete and utter beginner here. I thought about running a Thunder/Rain line-up, is that shit any good? Can I use Jolteon as a special sweeper with Thunder? Should I use Pelipper for rain or something else with Rain Dance?

Basically I have no fucking clue what I'm doing.

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>>30414122

>>30414116
Well then

Any of you guys got one I can have (or borrow so I can clone)? I just can't edit IVs yet :^)

>>30414135
Jolteon has been rendered obsolete by Tapu Koko. Koko/Pelliper teams are very common.

derp

>>30414131
>>30414134

see

>>30414174

>>30414135
never use rain dance, use pelipper with hurricane, scald, tailwind, wide guard

>>30414180
>>30414209
Aight, and what about a swift swim Carracosta as a physical sweeper as addition to Koko/Pelipper?

I just wanna use something I like

>>30414249
Carracosta HA won't be available for a while

>>30414005
Does TR work with follow me? Or is the latter just speed based?

>>30414332
I don't understand your question very well but I'm assuming you're asking if follow me goes before in TR. Follow me is a priority move, so yes, it works.

>>30414386
But will trick room get cast immediately after an ally's follow me? Doesn't that thing have -6 prio?

>>30414436
I think you might be confusing follow me with after you. If you cast after you I think trick room would conserve its -6 priority and go last.

>>30414249
SS is illegal on Carracosta until bank. Even if so, he is so fucking slow that swift swim doesn't make much of a difference. Right now the viable swift swimmers are Golduck and Poliwrath. Neither are particularly good, Golduck avoids intimidates and Poliwrath is a super high risk/high reward pokemon with Z-Belly Drum.

You need to get out of the karenfag mentality if you want to play VGC friend. Especially if you're entering a competition.

>>30414541
>You need to get out of the karenfag mentality

As in I can't use snowflake mons because I like them? Thing is I think I almost understand how to theoretically build a team at this point (except the more fancy roles like support) but I have no idea what is being played and which Pokemon are the most viable/synergize the most. Smogon doesn't seem to have proper tiers yet or I'm too stupid to find them and guides are all about XY/ORAS.

Shit's intimidating to get into.

>>30414436
Follow me redirects all enemy attacks to the user of that move.

>>30414627
You can actually run whatever you want in VGC. But it depends on what you're willing to give up for it. You might sacrifice win rate in favor of running your favorite mon, or you might need to use 5 mons you absolutely despise so your bro can shine. If you're willing to give up any of the two, you can run anything.

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>>30414627
I made a whole report to show you what is being played >>30411605

Start with this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2GbFV1qKnE

Summary:
>start with a core that you like, then consider its counters, strengths, and weaknesses and "domino effect" from there
>follow this image
>don't be depressed if your team loses every match at first. Keep a journal of every pokemon that gives you problems, and every pokemon that is no problem

Cores that he didn't mention that I came up with myself (individual results may vary):
>A-Muk + Bewear (Muk comes in when Bewear is low and copies Fur Coat when Bewear dies, sort of a gimmick)
>Celesteela + A-Marowak
>Tapu Bulu + A-Muk
>Tapu Bulu + Xurkitree
>double intimidate core (krookodile, gyarados, salamence)

Look at my report and find your favorite pokemon there. I will tell you good partners, then go from there.

>>30414507
Indeed I did. Apologies, dear anon

>>30414627
>As in I can't use snowflake mons because I like them?
Here's the trick to use your bro that's not very good without being a scrub: You make a team and if by some sheer miracle your bro manages to fit in in a way nothing else manages to fit in because only your bro can do what's needed that's when you use your bro.

Example: Your team is about wearing down your opponent with TW and WoW but you need a Water/Fairy Pokemon in your team for a reason, obviously, the first thing that goes to mind is Tapu Fini BUT her ability completely ruins the strategy your team is based around, what to do? Use Primarina who would be completely outclassed by Tapu Fini in nearly every other situation.

Basically, don't build teams around shitmons, let them fit into normal proper teams naturally if the chance appears.

>Shit's intimidating to get into.
Just play. As you play you'll see what people use and you will absorb that information. You'll lose a lot at first but slowly with surely you'll get better because you are acquiring new knowledge to put to use for the next game.

>>30414869
>>A-Muk + Bewear (Muk comes in when Bewear is low and copies Fur Coat when Bewear dies, sort of a gimmick)
This is better with A-Persian desu.

>>30414933
>>30414869
Thanks anons, I'm sure I will find some core I like.

>>30414154
Yeah, pretty much a bummer.
But, obviously 180 BP priority would be a little broken.

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I WISH ISLAND SCAN POKEMON WERE AVAILALBE (with strong caveat: aegislash no longer available through island scan)

I WANT MY RHYPERIOR! I WANT MY TOGEKISS! TYPHLOSION! FERALIGATR! CHANDELURE!!

>>30415145
Shut up nerd

>>30415175
ok

>>30414627
This is the thing with apparent shitmons: You do NOT build your team around them. See the post with the common top 25 pokes at the top of the thread? That's your 'starter' team builder list. Build a team that makes sense from those. Building a team of mostly meta pokemon basically ensures it won't be completely terrible. Play, figure out what beats you and adjust accordingly, tweak and modify your lineup, moves, strategy and EVs.

Then, once you have a very stable sort of team you can start looking at what pokemon who aren't on the list might offer you and playing around with them. Some pokemon are just completely unviable, they are outclassed in everything they can do. Carracosta is in that category, he is objectively inferior to Relicanth without his HA and even with it he's kind of shit.

Everyone loves the story of Parkchirisu but the reality is with that thing, he found a niche for it. It was a pokemon that was good at redirecting electric attacks in a meta where Gyarados was strong and there weren't many good LR users.

>>30415145
Kingdra would break this meta's boipucci so hard it wouldn't be funny. It's actually good that scan pokes aren't available.

Also Typhlosion and Feraligatr are both shit and would be much more shit without their HA.

Does Charjabug see any use at all?

I'm curious, because Battery seems like it could potentially make it usable at least

>>30415508
yep. it sets up a screen and then spams string shot

>>30415508
If only the damn thing learned some support moves. Just Helping Hand would do tons to improve it.

Rate my muk set
I'm pretty sure it will tank most maro's boners, plus the 60% chance to poison with poison jab is nice for those stalling pokemon. I don't really need power of alchemy on muk, and I like it because it's super bulky, and when times get tough I can explode which deals a lot of damage.
Muk-Alola @ Assault Vest
Ability: Poison Touch
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Poison Jab
- Brick Break
- Crunch
- Explosion

>>30415625
HH would be too good

If I want to compete in VGC this year, how do I go about doing it? Is it too late to get into Worlds this year?

what do you guys think of running this

Muk-Alola @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Power of Alchemy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Minimize
- Stockpile
- Gunk Shot
- Crunch

and then run it alongside

Misdreavus @ Eviolite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dazzling Gleam
- Memento
- Will-O-Wisp
- Hex

>>30415686
Go look that up in NuggetBridge. They've plenty of info on that there.

>Is it too late to get into Worlds this year?
The first event of VGC17 has not even happened. You've ample time.

>>30415703
Gimmick/10

>>30415676
says gamefreak, which introduced le tapus of terrain and balance into the meta

>>30414123
Why is glutton muk better than the other abilities? and why is muk recommended so often?

How many Evs does 1 Isle Evelup session give?
I trained my Tapu Koko for 61 sessions in attack and it went from 156 to 165, which apparently corresponds to at least 60 EVs. I thought when your Isle was lvl 3 it gave 4 EVs a sessions?
My Tapu Koko is lvl 60 and has 22 or 23 IV attack.

>>30415774
Figy Berry at 50% HP for a full heal is much better than Sitrus

Pretty bulky and typing is only weak to Ground

>>30415774
Because regular poison isn't that useful in doubles, especially when Muk can 1-2hko all of the things it needs to be attacking.

Gluttony lets Muk eat one of the +50% hp berries at 50% health as opposed to 25% health. It basically heals him back to full once its hp gets to half.

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>>30415686
Register at Play! Pokemon to get a actual ID which lets you attend tournaments, you end up linking it to your Global Link Account where your game is registered.

Go to actual physical VGC tournaments for the highest qualifictaion point payouts and cash if you are really good, there is a event locator on the Play! Pokemon site which shows upcoming official tournaments and etc.

There are occasionally online tournaments which also pay out points but these are fairly small.

>>30415778
Are you sure it's level 3?

TRICK
O
O
M

will TR dominate next year?

>>30415854
>>30415840
So how do i build Alolan muk? Max Hp and Sp. Def with boosted sp def nature?

>>30415900
not the same anon, but do I need to attend the physical VGC tournaments? Can´t I get this points through ranked?

There isn´t a place under 100km so it would be nice to know if I just need to go to vgc one day.

>>30415998
Nope. You have to attend tournaments physically.

>>30415956
no

Gonna start breeding a Gible soon for IVs. Do I need any egg moves I want to keep on Garchomp? I don't assume so, but I don't want to miss out beforehand in case I'm mistaken.

I'm currently breeding a adamant Bagon with Hydro Pump, Dragon Dance and Twister (lol) so I can use that for both a physical megamence and specs-/specialmence. I want to know if I need egg moves on Garchomp as well.

>>30416102
Outrage and Iron Head but they are pretty niche moves

>>30414869
How would double intimidate work? Do you keep switching out with U-Turn or whatever or is it just for the opening?

>>30416102
Garchomp's egg moves are all pretty bad, so there's no reason to get any of them. The only decent one is iron head, which is usually worse than poison jab.

>>30416034
So to participate in the vgc I need to go to several tournaments?

I live in germany so I am confused.

Do I need to participate in normal tournaments get some cp then go to the german vgc get first or top 8 I guess and go from there to the worlds?

>>30416185
Dat flinch hax tho

>>30416212
I don't have the specifics but basically what you have to do is attend tournaments and win cp based on how well you place in those tournaments (the bigger the tournament the more points you get), with certain points you get qualified to participate at worlds.

You can browse nuggetbridge for details on the matter.

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Is it just me, or this is meta so fucking hard to make a team in? I just can't seem to get the synergy right and keep getting my ass handed to me.

inb4 git gud.

>>30416212
No.

You only need CP to qualify for Worlds. All other events you can enter even if Nats is your first tourney ever and you have no CP.

Also, remember that this year Nats were eliminated and replaced by the International Challenges so you better be ready to shell some good bucks out.

>So to participate in the vgc I need to go to several tournaments?
Yes. To accumulate enough CP to qualify for Worlds.

You can read more about it here

http://nuggetbridge.com/forums/topic/25064-vgc-17-point-structure-announced/

I'm just getting into competitive battling. I really like Nihilego, and saw that it's on that list of high-use Pokemon. How do I build a Nihilego for competitive play? Also, what kind of team would it be good on? Also, are weather teams viable? A core of Torkoal and A-Exeggutor looks fun.

Is the big EU tourney next weekend being streamed officially and everything? Cool to have an event like that earlier than usual

>>30416281
thanks!

>>30416314
>international challenges
what do you mean anon? There are no nationals anymore?

>>30411964
Not sure myself, maybe it's because he's the fastest taunt user in the dex that doesn't get stopped by dark types. Could be wrong, but being able to stop TR before it's set seems like a big get.

>>30415904
It definitely is yeah.

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>>30416311
git gud m8
I actually feel the same. I never thought I would miss centralized VGC formats from past years

>>30416376
A-Exeggutor doesn't get Chlorophyll and normal Exeggutor is unobtainable.

>>30417055
Harvest has 100% chance to trigger in the sun.

>>30417145
To what end? I guess you could run him as a TR setter kind of like '14 Trevenant but his movepool and the ready availability of other strong grass attackers like Bulu and Kartana kind of cuck him out of that niche. Fairy weakness and kind of meh bulk are painful in the tapuspam meta.

Physical adamant Salemence viable at all? Or should I go timid/modest?

>>30417615
Salamence is kind of poopy in this meta in general, Tapus everywhere, steel types in rain everywhere, trick room everywhere, can't use his mega stone, ect.

>>30417615
Go special, there's no much reason to run it physical without Salamencite.

>>30417637
Damn that sucks. I've been busy breeding Bagons and got a 5 IV adamant. Tho I could hunt for a modest/timid ditto and use that.

Welp, time to box it and go for Gible instead.

>>30416169
Continually switch in/out when enemy has attackers on the field. ARcanine is pretty good for this because he can Snarl to slow down special attackers too

>>30416311
I'm constantly feeling like I need 7 team slots to round everything out

>>30417315
Fair enough. I know for a fact that I want Garchomp or Dragonite and a Nihilego on my team. What else should I run?

>>30417949
Dragonite is ass. Use Chomp. Nihilego is best when paired with Bulu but Bulu has anti-synergy with Chomp. It's okay if you don't bring them together though, you should bring another Tapu if that's the case. Probably Koko, it doesn't mind being paired with Chomp.

You can also run Groundium-Z Chomp for a single target EQ which makes it easier to run alongside both Bulu and Koko. Celesteela is also pretty good with Chomp due to EQ immunity and there being a lack of good fliers around to offensively pair with Chomp, your other realistic options are Pelliper which does nothing for him (though it's good with Koko) and Gyarados (which likes Marowak-A support, keeping in mind that Marowak has anti-synergy with Koko).

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I have this one,Typhlosion Spe/SpD and Mimikyu Atk/SpD. Those three helps me get all power items un Battle Royal, but what next? Should I first breed all meta must have pokemons like Salamence, Garchomp? I want to add something like poison Salazzle+Toxapex but don't know if they work or not. Jesus the amout of information and builds on smogon ridiculous. I completly lost. Too much pokemons, too much moves to learn everything by yourself. I feel like spend 99% of time googling instead playing game because any mistake cost tremendous hours of grind, breeding and EV training.
>equip wrong power item
>spent hours reseting EV

>>30417722
Isn't that basically just inviting a Milotic sweep?

>>30418216
cancer

>>30418216
You seem to be in the wrong thread lad

>>30418216
Toxapex is ass in VGC. Salamence is going to be kind of niche this season. Typhlosion is illegal. I feel Salazzle is actually underutilized but it's not a core meta poke by any means.

Don't go breeding pokemon without a plan. Play on simulator a shitload before you bother breeding. It's a major time investment to make new mons on cart if you're not injecting.

>>30418263
>even thread is wrong
Pokemons are too hard.

Is there a good rain team right now I could netdeck and look at?
This is my first time getting into VGC and I'm having trouble getting used to not only doubles but the format being less switch focused. But I love rain teams.

>>30418253
If you see Milotic on their team preview only bring one intimidate user or neither of them.

>>30418154
why is dragonite ass anon?
>Multiscale
>extreme speed
>vast movepool

So whats the best ability for Milotic in this current format?

>>30418357
Go look at the VGC ladder on showdown and look for people at the top in games, steal their teams.

>>30418253
...don't do it if they have milotic bro

>>30418154
So far, what looks good is:

Nihilego, Garchomp, Tapu Koko, Tapu Bulu, Celesteela, Porygon2

Is that a solid team, or am I missing something?

>>30418372
>extreme speed
>vast movepool

not until bank.

>>30418385
A'ight thanks
I dunno why I didn't remember Showdown has a VGC format.

>>30418422
well vgc next year will have bank so I think Dragonite will be better than salamence.

>>30418350
I think Salazzle is underutilized because she won't get access to fake out until bank comes around. Once that happens we might see her more.

>>30418411
It's pretty decent. I'd just run with that and play a few dozen battles on sim, figure out what beats you and adjust accordingly.

Playing games is the most important part of the team building process. It's much smarter to just put together a team quickly then get experience with it. It's way easier to figure out your weaknesses in play than it is on paper.

Best set for mimikyu?

>>30418512
Alright. Which is a better Poison move for Nihilego? Sludge Bomb for the damage, Sludge Wave for the multihitting and getting around Follow Me, or Clear Smog in case of setup or Minimize?

>>30418469
Yeah FO will help, but I think that she already has some pretty decent matchups given her typing, moves and speed tier.

>>30418589
Sludge Bomb. Poison is a terrible type for split attacking due to the common resistances/immunities and setup strats aren't particularly good in VGC, and the ones that are good mostly use steel types anyways.

>>30418589
Minimize is practically non-existen in VGC, you might see it here and there in some gimmick teams but not a real threat that you should prepare for. Setups are not that uncommon (DD Gyarados comes to mind) but more often than not is easier to just switch in a counter and kill it.

So it all comes to sludge bomb and sludge wave. If it's possible, you could run both and use nihilego as a clean up sweeper. I wouldn't run wave without having bomb though since you could fall short in damage on the tapus for the KO.

>>30418717
Currently, I have Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Power Gem, and Reflect on Nihilego. Should I change that up?

>>30418756
I don't think Nihilego should be putting up screens. You could put protect instead of reflect (if you're not running a choice item on it). And I think that would be good enough. Test the set and see if you're missing coverage that Nihilego could provide and proceed to change accordingly.

Just looking for some team advice, this is my team:
http://pastebin.com/JJvq5CjG

My current thoughts are:
1) Comfey is dead weight. There has never been a match where I've wanted to bring it over any other teammate, so I'm looking for a replacement.
2) I feel like I should add a Wide Guard user. The only mon giving me trouble consistently is Aerodactyl, which outspeeds my whole team and beats me with flinch hax (not to mention my considerable weaknesses to rock). I think Wide Guard would help fix that. Maybe replace Gyarados with Pelipper, and then keep my Intimidate and Roar by replacing Comfey with Arcanine?
3) While bulky and useful, Gyarados doesn't have much offensive presence, which can make me lead kind of weak sometimes.
4) Kind of building off the previous point, I don't really have much in the way of strong water attacks, and I have zero electric attacks. I also seem to lean more on the physical side with this team, so that puts me at a bit of a disadvantage against intimidate. Pelipper might help with this too, since it's a special attack with rain-boosted moves.
5) I've only fought Muk once, but it freaked me out when it outsped my Marowak and knocked off its Thick Club, making it useless. I think I'm gonna need a solid answer to this mon if it becomes more common (currently in ELO hell, workin' my way up).

>>30418756
I'd consider Dazzling Gleam or HP Ice over sludge wave. One of the neat things about Nihilego is that it has one more base speed than Chomp so if you're running timid you can outspeed and OHKO non-defensive, non scarfed variants. I think it's a try it and see kind of thing though, if you don't have trouble with chomp then having sludge wave is nicer for the potential dual hits. Keeping in mind that over a third of the primary meta pokes are resistant to it, which does reduce its value as a spread move.

Guys, is slowking and slowbro a viable choice for this current meta? I'm hoping that these two pokes to be somewhat useful

Shouldn't Alola Golem also get some usage as a magnet puller with access to Wideguard and Magnet Rise for TR/ST teams?

>>30418863
The solid answers to Muk in this meta are basically Krookodile and Garchomp. He's a dirty pokemon in this meta.

>>30418984
Does golem even get magnet pull?

>>30418863
If you're looking to replace gyarados maybe araquanid is something looking at? It got access to wide guard and strong offensive pressence thanks to liquidation boosted by water bubble while being pretty bulky.

>>30418978
Both are shit. Too many fast and strong electric/grass moves flying around everywhere. Slowbro is still probably the better of the two.

>>30418984
Magnezone is a much better magnet puller given the defensive distributions of the things you want to magnet pull, magnet rise is kind of useless, there are far better wide guard users though I concede that some teams might want to use him over Magnezone/Hariyama for example for role compression purposes.

>>30418978
Since it seems to be a Trick Room meta this time around, I would say they have their niche by being trick room setters immune to taunt with oblivious. I think they're kind of outclassed by oranguru though.

>>30419050
Araquanid is a meme outside of TR. He'd have to rebuild his team around it.

>>30416590
Nationals are gone and replaced for Internationals each on 1 continent, next one is next week in london.

how hard is it to get bottle caps? I wanna breed for 0 speed and a couple of perfect IVs and just get the rest with hyper training.

>>30418847
Should I build Porygon2 with Normalium or Eviolite? The Z-Conversion build would give me another sweeper, but the only defensive mon I currently have is Celesteela.

>>30419017
Alright, so if I replaced Gyarados with Pelipper, I could replace Comfey with Krook, and Krook could still keep Intimidate, Taunt, and Roar on my team, while also handling Muk. Now I just need to figure out a good Krookodile build for my team. I guess the moves would be EQ, Crunch, Taunt and Roar, but I'd like to have Protect on there too. I have no idea what nature or EVs to run, I've never used Krook.

I wanna build a team around Garchomp, since he's one of my favo mons.

Any tips in what I should look for in partners and strats?

>>30419187
Partner him with a flying type like Celesteela or Gyarados. Or if you want to meme hard partner him with Turtonator and set off Shell Trap with Earthquake.

>>30419116
you can get maybe ~8 shards of assorted colors per day with constant pelago use. 1 bottle cap costs 30 shards of the same color.

Even if you ignore the shard requirements, getting to level 100 is a slog with no blissey bases or rotato restaurants. In summary: hyper training sucks, save your caps for legendaries.

I'm looking for something that becomes a monster under TR, but doesn't necessarily need TR up to be useful. Slowbro? A-golem? Hariyama?

>>30419163
If u are up against n enemy with haze which is now getting more and more popular due to stat boosting, you are pretty much a gonner

>>30419116
breeding is much faster, hyper train only on hidden power pokemon and legendaries

>>30419239
That sucks. It's nice that they finally made a way to get legit legends and shinies with perfect IVs, but not allowing people to exclusively SOS battle Chanseys was such a retarded move.

I guess they are just outright promoting hacking now, what with apricorns being only one of a kind.

>>30419174
I'd drop Crunch for protect and just carry Groundium-Z for single targeting, you need EQ to deal with Muk and Groundium gives you the ability to single target it and avoid the grassy terrain damage nerf.

Krook gets wrecked by most of the ground immune stuff in the meta (Celesteela, Gyara, Pelipper) whether he carries Crunch or not.

>>30419224
I think I'll go for Gyarados.

How about I add Alolan Marowak for lightning rod and to have something against opposing Trick Room? Might even add a Porygon2 in the back for my own Trick Room. Though I'm scared focusing on TR will invalidate Garchomp on my team with its high speed.

Any thoughts on this?

>>30419116
Route 1:
1. Do the Plaza slog and grind Type Matchups by joining games. Earn a few hundred points (close to 1000)
2. Find a person in your plaza with a 1-star shop they want (you must hit level 8 I think to unlock this feature). Each 1-star shop costs 50 FC to install. VIP THIS PERSON
3. Find a person in your plaza who wants Treasure Hunt: 2 Star. Each Treasure shop 2 Star costs 100FC. VIP THIS PERSON, TOO.
4. Alternate between installing the Treasure Hunt and the 50FC store by replacing one with the other. Continually visit the Treasure Hunt, as every time you create a new one it refreshes the 24 hour timer before you can get a free item. Done it 5 times now, and gotten 5 bottle caps. I'm not sure if you can even get anything else. Basically spend 150 FC, get a bottlecap, so long as you VIP the right people.

Route 2:
1. Pick up beans
2. Spend beans on Treasure Island
3. Throw Pokes down in the coal mines
4. Throw beans at them
5. Hope they come back with bottlecaps/gold bottle caps.

Two best methods I could think of.

>>30419224
EQ isn't a contact move, it doesn't set off trap.

>>30419224
>Or if you want to meme hard partner him with Turtonator and set off Shell Trap with Earthquake.
Wait, you can do that? And it hits your opponents?

>>30419405
Use your TR on P2 to negate enemy TRs. Marowak/Gyarados/Garchomp provides a couple solid pairs of sweepers that protect each other. You might want a Steel or Poison type to deal with Tapus.

>>30419479
>>30419482

Shell Trap doesn't trigger on contact. It triggers on Physical moves. And it hits both opponents, even if you trigger it.

>>30419602
>And it hits both opponents, even if you trigger it.
That's much better than I initially though.

Too bad you still gotta take the hit. It doesn't give you immunity towards the attack like say King's Shield or Spiky Trap.

>>30419684
It'd be amazing if there was a grass or fire physical move that hit everything.

>>30419363
Nice, so that's how I get a single target ground move on it, thanks.

>>30419570
What do you mean with P2?

And I just realized I need a HA Gible for the Rough Skin. :( Any of you guys happen to got a breed reject (pref female) with shit IVs?

>>30419703
There's Petal Blizzard.

You can do that with Lilligant, Lurantis AND Comfey on VGC16. So yeah, no go. Even if you allowed all the things that learn the move it's still no go as they are all quite shitty for this.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Petal_Blizzard_(move)

>>30419790
Porygon2. I've got 3-4 IV breedject HA Gibles.

>>30419841
Ah right. And could you hook me up one senpai?

>>30419867
Sure thing. Have any breedjects of your own?

>>30419915
5IV Adamant Bagon /w Hydro Pump, Dragon Dance and Twister (Dusk Ball)
5IV Jolly Beldum (Ultra Ball)
4IV Jolly Mimikyu (Dusk Ball)
Mimikyu

>>30419815
Lilligant is actually usable with Torkoal strats but not for much else.

>>30419975
I'll take a Beldum if you don't mind. FC: 5413-0185-3572

>>30420030
Sure thing.

1736-1442-9169

>>30420068
Thanks for the trade. You just saved me a few hours of breeding.

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>>30420030
Tnx m8. And likewise

Feel free to trade again sometime. Just got into postgame and started brreeding myself.

>>30420257
Dat aqua ball tho

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Thoughts?

>>30420257
>Egg Received: 6/7/2012
>Egg Hatched: Apparently 6/7/2012

You living in the past?

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>>30420400
Wrong pic

>>30420404
My system's clock got reset at some point and I haven't bothered to fix it yet.

>>30420430
Not VGC17/10

>>30420495
Uh yeah these are all legal but nice try

>>30420505
so legal dude.

>>30420505
have you hit your head?
they may be legal Pokemon but e.g. Ash Grenigga is not VGC17 legal

>>30420533
>>30420539
It was obtained in sun and moon, I can breed it, why wouldn't it be legal?

>>30420505
Greninja-A is not VGC legal
Haxorus is not VGC legal
Machamp and Sylveon are VGC legal but shit
Porygon-Z is meh in doubles.

>>30420562
so legal.

>>30420562
ALOLA DEX ONLY. Read the rules. Island scan mons are illegal too.

tfw I can't think of any way to fit my bro ledian in any set even in support

>>30420656
>ledian
>bro
On a scale from 'daily' to 'in my ass' how much do you like cock?

What do you guys think about this set?

Clefairy@Eviolite
Magic Guard
252 HP/156 Def/100 SpD
0 AtK IV
Bold Nature
>Follow Me
>Moonlight
>Cosmic Power
>Toxic

>>30420788
it's a gimmick/10

>>30420788
bad

>>30420788
Garbage, absolute garbage.

>>30420788
xurkitree does 68% unboosted with a thunderbolt

if you factor in rain for thudner and a +1 beast boost... you are just fucked my man. how are you going to stay ahead of 2 pokemon banging you at one time while healing and also using cosmic power, and also trying to find time to use toxic somehow? it's not gonna work. faggot garbage like this only works in singles which is why i don't play singles anymore

>He uses minimize muk
This is why I don't like showdown, if this was battle spot or an actual tourney then I would stall the fuck out of him and win by default

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So I'm trying to build my first team ever, a Krookodile/Arcanine double intimidate core. I'm thinking about running Arcanine sp.atk with Overheat and Tapu Fini with Whirlpool/Defog/Nature's Madness/Taunt.

Support I'm guessing Smeargle with Wide Guard and Tailwind and I have no idea what else I would want. Do I get a physical tank and another bulky damage dealer or am I missing some kind of important move for this to work?

>>30420994
how do you win with a stall? isn't your own timer going down at the same time?

>>30420997
Smeargle wouldn't be the best wide guard user due to its low defenses. Your enemy will directly target it to kill it. I would recommend celesteela for this role instead.

>>30421056
unless the timer changed in SM when it hits 0 it just goes to whoever has the most hp and mons

>>30420724
in my ass, I'm a fag
Ok but honestly I'm already resigned to the fact that my bro won't ever see usage until maybe 20 years down the road when game freak is bankrupt and acquired by some company that actually makes a balanced mode for all 1200 fully evolved pokemon to be viable

>>30421120
>unless the timer changed in SM
It did. Each player has their own 10 minute timer, so no more imee stalling. If your time runs out, you're fucked.

>>30421215
*timer

What are the viable Follow Me/Rage Powder users in this meta?

>>30421215

So I can still make a move last minute and be ok, right?

What's the best set for Liligant and Marowak? I want to put Torkoal on my team, but I can't use trick room because I'm running Xurkitree for synergy with grassy terrain, so After You liligant is my only option, right? Unless there's another Pokémon I can use instead of Xurk that both benefits from grassy terrain/sun and trick room

>>30421301
If your opponent takes 10 seconds to make a move choice every time and you take 60 seconds to make a move choice every time, you'll use up your 10 minutes first. You'll end up losing even if you have more mons and hp.

>>30421264
Clefairy and Smeargle are Top Tier

>>30421327
Forgot, here's my current team. I'm taking out Pelipper Togedemaru and Gyarados http://pastebin.com/j0i5D5VP

>>30421391
Clefable?

>>30421462
Clefairy is better because evoliote and Frien Guard.
But Clefable is ok, Unaware is a good ability after all.

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How is the Queen?
>blocks priority
>access to SlowTurn
>HJK
>Trop Kick acting as a pseudo intimidate
>reasonable bulk

The only downsides is that her speed is No Man's Land, and Grass is mediocre outside of Bulu partnership.

>>30421391
What about the new mushroom mon? Does he even get rage powder?

>>30420563
>Porygon-Z is meh in doubles
Z-Conversion my man. +1 in every stat and lets you get STAB Adaptability boosted whatever to spam. I've seen blizzard, thunder/discharge, or psychic depending on the persons team.

It's a little gimmicky but if you play it right you can almost guarantee a safe setup.

Any good Muk teams these days?

>>30421594
>blocks priority
Priority is not a problem in this meta, much less with Lele.
>access to SlowTurn
U-Turn rarely gets used in Doubles.
>HJK
Enjoy hitting Protects
>Trop Kick acting as a pseudo intimidate
The move is rather decent I guess.
>reasonable bulk
Kinda, yeah.

You forgot to mention she also learns Feint.

>The only downsides is that her speed is No Man's Land, and Grass is mediocre outside of Bulu partnership.
She's mediocre already because Bulu completely outclasses her.

She's bad doc.

>>30421351

Oh well, at least I can still drag it out when losing.
Or winning. K/D has little bearing when you can disrespect people.

>>30421594
I love waifu berry but she is a shitmon anon. Also never run HJK in doubles. People gamble that move with Pheremosa because it's her only good fighting STAB and I see them get double protect memed on 50% of the time.

>>30421621
Only Rage Powder users in this meta are Ariados and Parasect.

Ariados of all things is arguably the better of the two.

As for Follow Me it's Smeargle, Lucario, Clefairy and Clefable.

I just don't know what team I want to build. This is my first time doing competitive.

>>30422098
There's a post near the top (>>30411605) showing the most viable Pokemon this format. Pick out one or two you like, and I'll try to help you work with those.

>>30422270
I like Nihilego and I like Tapu Fini

>>30422291
You are in luck. Those two are very viable mons.

>>30422291
>Nihilego
Excellent taste, man.

Nihilego is an amazing anti-meta sweeper, and Fini I've seen run as both a sweeper and a support. Nihilego gives you a counter to the Tapus, Torkoal, A-Ninetails, Arcanine, Mimikyu, etc. Amazing choice in my opinion. Timid nature, run Sludge Bomb, Power Gem, [Sludge Wave, Dazzling Gleam, or HP Ice], and either another coverage move from those three, or, if you don't have a Choice item, Protect.

Tapu Fini you can either run as a special sweeper with water and fairy STAB and decent bulk, or as a tanky support with access to Defog, Nature's Madness, and Taunt.

I recommend a physical attacker to complement these two - A-Marowak can Lightningrod electric moves away from Fini and drop Earthquakes against poison and steel mons that want to kill Fini, Metagross and Celesteela are immune to Sludge Wave if you run it and provide more anti-fairy while also being pretty bulky (Celesteela also is flying if you want to run it alongside A-Marowak - they make a powerful core), and Garchomp can hit hard, fast, and wide with its attacks.

>>30411605
What does A-Marowak bring? Lightningrod?

>>30422517
I'd be tempted to use Celesteela, but I feel like I shouldn't run two UBs. Too many cooks in the kitchen, y'know? Marowak Metagross and Garchomp all
Definitely sound good. I'm considering using Marowak to deal with Tapu Bulu, but idk about the rest...sorry if I'm being a bit difficult to work with, still don't really get how to team build effectively

>>30422595
Rock Head Flare Blitz, good typing spread and good attack

New to teambuilding, is there anything really wrong with what I have here before I start testing it out?
Grim (Marowak-Alola) (M) @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Atk / 68 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Shadow Bone
- Earthquake
- Protect

XLR (Xurkitree) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Discharge
- Tail Glow
- Energy Ball

Koke (Tapu Koko) @ Life Orb
Ability: Electric Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
- Protect
- Wild Charge
- U-turn
- Taunt

Slowho (Slowbro) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Slack Off
- Psyshock
- Protect

Sally (Salamence) (F) @ Charti Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Tailwind
- Protect
- Fire Blast

Stevie (Mudsdale) (M) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Rock Slide
- Superpower
- Heavy Slam

>>30422754
Rock Head is not the reason people use Marowak. Lightning Rod is far superior.

>>30422754
I have yet to see a single person use rock head

>>30422595
lightningrod, incredible bulk, walls half the metagame and 2HKOS back, incredible offensive power. It's on every 2nd team in the top 25.

>>30422785
ugh delete post and use a pastebin.

>>30422517
>counter to the Tapus
Even Life Orb Sludge Bomb only OHKOs 252 HP Fini with 43,8% and 252 HP Lele with 93,8% certainty.
Of these two, only Lele can OHKO back, though, and I'm not saying that Nihilego isn't great, but it does come just a few SpA points short of being amazing.

>>30422517
Ok, thinking about it I'll run Tapu Fini Nihilego Celesteela and Marowak...but that leaves my team with a very big ground weakness, right?

>>30411526
Adamant or Jolly Mimikyu?

>>30422595
like >>30422836 said,
>3 immunities to very common types
>great offensive moves in flare blitz, shadow bone, and bonemarang
>essentially huge power with thick club
>pretty good bulk

What's the best sweeper UB? I know celesteela is the best overall, but what is the best fastsweeper*?

*scarfed snowballer can be an option

>>30421674
I said it's meh in doubles. I am well aware of Z-Conversion. It's not good even with a safe setup.

>>30411605

Notice how none of the best teams use it, or any of these meme setups. Only setups you should be thinking about atm are Metagross/Fini swagstrats (which aren't THAT good) and DDdos. Only idiots go for SDs on Kartana and SD Mimikyu is kind of ass in doubles.

>>30422785
someone should really put a link to pastebin in the OP and ask people to use it for posting teams

that said, this is one of the better teams I've seen asking for help primarily because it looks like you actually tried
that said, your team has 3 ground weaknesses, I'm really not sure why you're using slowbro, I'd use something other than charti on mence and probably run speed to guarantee the tailwind, and your mudsdale has an assault vest with protect and no STAB move

Did the ladder reset?
Because my score suddenly resetted.

>>30422819
It's usable if you do a Marowak lead strat and hope that your opponent assumes it's lightningrod until he sees you drop a recoilless flare blitz.

Memey as fuck but sometimes funny. Would never fly at an offline event though.

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Does anyone have any recommendations on how to improve my team? It's still in the planning stages but I was hoping to run a mixture of toxistall and a lot of pivots (parting shot persian, wish komala), with mimi, scizor and salamence to come in after and sweep.

>>30423065
>toxistall
rework it from the ground up

>>30423065
don't use Komala
don't use Toxapex
don't use Scizor without rain (even then he's SHIT until bank tutors)

>>30423065
>toxstall
>toxapex
>in vgc
>komala in any meta

>>30422888
Only two of them are weak to ground. Celesteela is flying. If you're really worried about ground-types, Tapu Bulu and Porygon2 can help with that, and Life Orb/Choice Specs/Expert Belt Timid 252 Spe Nihilego can outspeed Jolly 252 Spe Garchomp (provided no scarf or other outside speed boosts) and get a guaranteed OHKO.

>>30423122
How would Porygon 2 help? And if I add that Pokémon, what should I add as my last one?

>>30423117

Upon reconsideration I probably should've posted in WFG; I'm just building this squad for fun. I'm sorry about that.

I guess I'm better off going with some UBs and Tapus, right?

>>30423161
Porygon2 can tank pretty well with Eviolite, can get a SpA boost from Download, has access to Ice Beam (and decent base SpA), and can cancel enemy Trick Rooms with one of its own.

>>30423002
Anyone?

>>30423218
So should my last team member be a Pokémon that can run under Trick room? Not to mention, since it learns ice beam, I wouldn't need HP ice on Nihilego would I?

So far, What's the Big 6 of this format?

>>30423177
there are plenty of viable options outside of tapus and most UBs are situational at best
how do you even find toxstall fun? It's the most mind numbing shit to sit there for turns upon turns as residual damage racks up.

>>30423300
P2 is enough to deal with Trick Roomers. You might want another Tapu.

>>30423434
Like, Tapu Lele?

>>30423481
Tapu Lele is good. Psychic Terrain counters priority and the stabs are both useful.

>>30423813
Best way to take out Lele? Also aren't flying types still affect by priority under Psychic Terrain?
If you want to run priority, defeat Lele fast and set up your own terrain to counter it. Prankster must watch out for Dark types.
Prankster isn't as common this gen.

>>30423218
P2 is another good mon that can take advantage of enemy TRs.
You definitely need a team that can handle TR and terrain/rain this gen, whether it's countering it with another setter or having a team that can be used in TR but doesn't entirely need it.

>>30424011
Heavy Slam/Iron Head from Celesteela, Meteor Mash/(if terrain is replaced) Bullet Punch from Metagross, Smart Strike from Kartana, Flash Cannon from Magnezone.

So

Nihilego
Tapu Fini
Marowak
Celesteela
P2
Tapu Lele

Sounds like a solid team?

>>30423101
>he's SHIT until bank tutors
Why do people keep saying this? There is some sort of pentagon rule, isn't there? Transferring in a mon with a tutor move won't help, except in a few cases where the tutor move is also breedable.

>>30424203
Looks good to me. Test it out on Showdown, of course, so you can get a feel for what works and what doesn't.

>>30424074
Trick room is not hard to deal with. Lead with Gyarados or Arcanine and roar out the Oranguru/Mimikyu/whatever other TR setter.

Fake out the follow me user if they're paired with one. If they predict the fake out and double protect you still win because roar goes through protect and phases the TR setter regardless.

Anyone got a good 6th mon? I was thinking an Intimidate user but not sure which one.
http://pastebin.com/qCqtng9K

>>30424347
Is Roar still negative priority? Because in that case it won't work since they're still setting up TR on first turn.
It only looks to work on the second statement but even then that's a rather small chance. Roar is still good to remove stat set up Pokémon.

>>30424496
TR has even less priority than Roar

>>30424496
Trick room is -7 priority. Roar is -6. It works every single time, I've only lost to trick room teams early season before I learned this fact.

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>>30424544
>>30424529
I see.

what EV's for A. Ninetails?

>>30424347
What fake out user do you use?

Because literally every TR team I see is:
>Oranguru + Something that hits really hard and it's fast like Garchomp or something bulky with Spread moves like Musdale etc
>Use their instruct combo
>They did good damage or maybe even got a KO so they don't mind losing the mon paired with Oranguru
>Now something like Torkoal enters and they setup trick room
>Late sweep
>If you targeted Oranguru instead you just get rekt by Garchomp

I should run Porygon 2 with 0 speed IVs right?

Can I use a zygarde 10% aura break or is that banned in vgc 2017 too.

>>30425243
zygarde is banned in all formes