Prove this wrong.

>>30329769
how? this is not wrong

>>30329769
>B2/W2

>>30329769
BW should be with B2W2 and Emerald should be with Platinum

>SM

I like it, but it's not on the level of the other three

I won't, because it's correct.

>>30329769
I literally can't.

Replace HGSS with BW1
Put emerald next to Platinum

I'm not really inclined to disagree at the moment but sun and moon will definitely not be there in a year or two

You're correct though anon.

>>30329769
Replace SM with Emerald. SM's not bad but it's not on the level of the others.

>>30329769
I liked Platinum a lot, but what puts it alongside BW2, HGSS, and Emerald? And to a lesser extent, what makes SM good?

>>30329769
lol fucking unovabortions

Pokemon has been getting shittier for the last decade, except the Gold/Silver remakes.

>>30329769
>list of great Pokémon games
>no RBGY
Kys op

>>30329769
Eh I'm enjoying SM but Emerald deserves its spot more and I'm not even a big Hoenn fan

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Seems right to me

Now that we have an actually good 3D game wich doesn't mean is perfect, all is right in this world.

>>30329769
I can't

>>30329769
stop pushing that fucking "platinum best game" meme

it's an ok game, but not even comparable to emerald or even ruby and sapphire

>>30329937
On the other hand, all the various quality of life improvements make the old versions unplayable pieces of crap in comparison. The games were good at their core, but really I can't think of any comparisons to how shitty managing your pokemon used to be.

Of course, I also couldn't go back to Red after Crystal came out because the monochrome started to hurt my eyes.

>>30329965
You're much more wrong though. I liked Kanto but you have to be a huge genwunner to actually think it's one of the best

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>HGSS

>>30329769
>SM
>great games

you need to be 18 to post here

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>>30330007
Platinum had the better battle frontier

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>>30330007
>not even comparable to emerald or even ruby and sapphire
>or even ruby and sapphire
>ruby and sapphire

>>30329769
>bw2 better than bw
>hgss being any better than original gsc
Just fuck outta here.

>>30329769
Emerald is better than Sun and Moon

>>30330119
>Platinum had the better battle frontier
nice try lilieposter

>>30330077
Anon, what is (you)r opinion on SM?

>>30330185
Don't lie like that

>>30330156
What does gsc do that HGSS doesn't do better?

>>30329965
I love RBY. They get way too much hate from newbies who just see the broken mechanics meme and assume the games are completely unplayable or some shit. RBY have great pacing, great music, decent challenge (Especially Yellow), and were fun enough to get millions of people hooked on Pokemon.

Still wouldn't put them on the level of these games though, if only due to the complete lack of a post-game.

>>30329769
Why is Platinum up there if BW2 and HGSS are miles ahead

>>30330226
I guess Sneasel showing up on Icy Path in Crystal and slower pacing (Though not by much).

But yeah, HGSS are mammoth improvements on the originals.

>>30330248
Platinum has an actual level curve that makes it challenging for a Pokemon game while not having ridiculous jumps, so that's something.

>>30330248
I'd guess because of how much better it was than DP

can we at least agree that XY was trash

>>30330121
He's right though, Platinum is terrible and is only pushed by underage Sinnohfetuses.

>>30330343
On the single player front, they were fucking trash.

On the multiplayer front, they were pretty great though. Love PSS

>>30330355
nothing is worse than RS

>>30330343
Have you noticed anybody in this thread demanding XY to be in top four?

PSS is the only reason why it's even worth acknowledging

>>30329769
>SM
LMFAO. No.

Remove them and HGSS, then add Emerald and BW.

>>30330343
XY were as much as trash as RGB were, or RS.

>>30330343
Eh, it was alright. Its story was shit, but we also had PSS, variety of battle types, Hyper Training, Hoardes, and Breeding. Its online was tailored to people who liked competition.

>>30330383
RGB were worse

FRLG > RGB

>>30330224
Sun and Moon took out a billion things and replaced them with infinitely worse versions, if it bothered to replace them at all

All it did was add trials, which are okay, and Z-moves, which are laggy as dick and usually a waste of time

>>30329769
HGSS are not great. The speed of the games alone is enough to disqualify it from anything.
There's also the issue of them not improving on GS in any significant capacity. All the stuff that was left out of GS due to memory limitations was NOT fleshed out in HGSS. This was a huge mistake, IMO.
I don't really see what's so great about Platinum... Platinum is the bare bones expectation for me when I play a Pokemon game. I guess if that makes it good or great in the eyes of some people, so be it.

B2W2 are more playable than BW, so I'd agree they're ok there. Still have gripes about the league not at all changing since BW, about not seeing the previous protagonists, and about the stupid MUH PURRLOIN rival. It seemed rushed.

Sun and Moon are automatically bad because of the 2 hour tutorial at the beginning of the game.

>>30330226
More like why doesn't HGSS doesn't fix any of GSC's flaws?
>mug gen 3/4 pokeymans
>muh battle frontier
Platinum has all that shit, and GSC does everything else.

>>30330472
I bet you love HMs Too haha lol XDDDDDD

>>30330355
I've been around since Red and Blue.

It's hard for me to pick my favorite, but Platinum is up there. It's funny, I don't like Sinnoh, I don't like the new Pokemon, I don't like the slow pacing, but Platinum does a lot of things right and overall is just a really good balance of stuff.

Picking a favorite is hard.

I would personally replace Plat with BW1 but otherwise I agree

>>30330492
>about not seeing the previous protagonists
Those protags are supposed to be you, it wouldn't make any sense for them to add that in. Red is the only canon non-player protagonist.

>>30329769
Sounds fine.

>>30330498
Not fixing enough of GSC's flaws doesn't make GSC better. I'm having legitimate trouble trying to figure out how HGSS is worse outside of minor things like no kris or GB Sounds not being 1:1 accurate

>>30329937
But that's wrong

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>>30330443
We are not talking about FRLG, we are talking about RS.
Gen I still have some excuses because it was the first game, but RS are horrible
Not even gen I is that ugly

>>30330492
>There's also the issue of them not improving on GS in any significant capacity. All the stuff that was left out of GS due to memory limitations was NOT fleshed out in HGSS. This was a huge mistake, IMO.
To be fair there was an attempt. Viridian Forest was added back in hgss.

Platinum made surfing faster

Emerald is the one true GOAT and all who disagree must be purged.

>>30330583
Just because something was the first game doesn't mean it's excused.

That's like excusing DP for being slow, or XY for being a mess.

>>30330648
I agree with you in that point, but doesn't change the fact that RS are horrible.
Stop trying to move goalposts, RS are the worst games of the franchise.

>>30330583
Are you joking? Ruby and Sapphire were fucking gorgeous at the time of release. Going from Gen 2 to that vibrant color palette was amazing. Gamefreak pushed the GBA's visuals much harder than they pushed the DS's with Diamond and Pearl.

>>30330383
Except for Platinum and DP

>>30330713
They're not, they're easily among the best for maingameplay simply because of the exploration, the level curve, and the amount of new mons.

>>30330717
RS and Emerald are also still the only games in the series with a seamless overworld

The game wasn't bad at all if you get over not being able to use that many old Pokemon

>>30329886
It's above

>>30330551
ALL protagonists were supposed to be you. Red was a silent protagonist and was probably the most YOU player there has ever been in Pokemon. But they decided to give him a set identity afterward for the sequel because it was a great surprise. There's no reason they couldn't have done that for any other players.

>>30329769
Replce HGSS with Emerald and you are set

How do I prove facts wrong?

>>30329769
What is so good about B2W2 though?
I played B2 but it didn't seem outstanding like the other games. However I skipped BW so I missed a ton of references.

>>30330717
Looks like you're the one who is joking. That thing was literally the dark ages of pokemon. They introduced Natures and that IV range, but was only in Emerald that we could manipulate it.
And the GBA soundfont was bad. It was one of the things that ORAS did better.
Also, do you know why people hate ORAS? because it's RS. Yes, they removed a few stuff, but 95% of the original Hoenn games are still there. They just removed the nostalgia glasses.

>>30330870
There's supposedly the fact thet the BW protags run off to find N

But in B2W2 N shows up. I felt bad that everyone found N before the BW protag, assuming they were still searching.

I can't

Though I'd add Emerald to Platinums corner

>>30330971
That bothered me too. GF seems to be afraid to just reuse previous protagonists. I dunno why. Everyone loved the Red surprise. Everyone still does.

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Here OP, I fixed it

>implying Emerald was good
>implying gen 3 is good

>>30329769
So why do people hate OR/AS again?

platinum is far too flawed, it did what it could with the horrible base games D/P though. Replace it with emerald

>>30330119
worst opinion of the day

>>30330398
So, trashier than trash (Except for RS. they're alright)

>>30331257
nah, RS is trash
unless those were your first games

Am I the only who likes almost all of them but thinks Gen 5 is fucking garbage? I used to have mixed feelings on 4 but it's grown on me.

>>30331257
desu I enjoyed all of them

except getting wrapped in Red.

>>30329769
I really liked Platinum, but every time I try to start up a new game I can never get very far because of how slow the Generation is as a whole.

>>30330847
It's not.
As standalone games they are great.
In comparison to the predecessors they are great.
However for all the hype that was put into the games, they are not on par with the top tier games. Granted all of the top tier games are either remakes or director's cuts so one would hope that the successors to S/M are great. The problem with Gen 6 was that all installments made fell short of content. While S/M has content, it also suffers from this. The difference is that S/M still have hope in a successor where none of gen 6 did.

>>30329769
I can't

>>30331185
Gen 6 syndrome and no battle frontier

>>30329769
I agree with this.

>>30330717
>Ruby and Sapphire were fucking gorgeous at the time of release.
They were ugly as shit by GBA standards.

Well, maybe not, since the GBA had a lot of really bad looking games. Maybe "they were shit in comparison to what the GBA is capable of" is a better wording. That thing was a system with better graphical capabilities than the Super Nintendo, but didn't really utilize them.

>>30331565
Gen 6 is like getting a handy from a girl who says she can deepthroat and then just when her lips start inching toward you she decides to stop and just walks away

>>30329769
Where does Emerald fit in though?
It's in the center right?

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>>30330583
I always get nostalgic whenever I see Ruby and Sapphire's shit graphics and font.

>>30329769
i fully agree with this

>>30330942
We were talking about visuals.

>>30331787
Yes, the GBA was capable of a lot. RSE were far closer to what the GBA was capable of than DPP were to what the DS was capable of. And they actually ran well instead of chugging like shit.

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>>30330583
>>30331999
Something about gen 3 sprites always looked odd to me.

Sun/Moon are great in terms of world and visuals. I feel that the UI took a few steps back from OR/AS PokeNav. I went from having everything a couple of touches away to having some gimmicky Rotom thing shoved in my face, and having to go to all these weird out of place minigame areas and delving through their menus just to get to online battling or berry farming.

>>30329769

>HG/SS
>Not B/W

The Johto remakes were comfy as fuck but from a mechanical standpoint, it was ass.

>>30332575
>Introduces full Touchscreen support for handhelds who probably had a broken A-button by then
>Introduces the auto-run mechanic
How was it shit?

>>30330472
I like that it kinda fixed how broken priority moves had become in gen 6. It's still to early to see if it did it well but I feel like it did so far.

>>30329965
"""""""""kys"""""""""" my ass

>>30332653

Are you honestly using ease-of-use menu features as your rebuttal? Because that ignores the busted level curve and shit distribution unchanged from the GBC era.

>>30331036
>ORAS
I started projectile vomiting when I saw that.

Replace SM with Crystal.

You won't be playing SM in 2017. It's a good interactive movie but a bad pokemon video-game, its replay value is near zero.

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>B/W 2

>No R/S/E

>Fucking Platinum

mfw

>>30329769
Agreed

>>30332815
Crystal has replayability? I can understand trying out an old game, but to replay it? I don't feel like replaying any of my old pokemon games. Maybe Maybe the versions I haven't played 4th gen and up gen, but none of the others.

>>30332815
Meanwhile, on my second playthrough.

>>30329769
>No gen 3
Well there's your problem

>>30332918
>wanting rse over platinum

take this madman out of here

>hgss

just take those out and make it a trinity again

>>30330119
>It also had the most important legendary in the game still be unobtainable saved for gifts for movies/Game Stop promotions, but let's not talk about that

>>30332499

it made berry farming far more easier and all in one place than any of the previous gens.

how is this a downside? or are you folks just this bad at utilizing the game mechanics to its full extent?

>>30330226
>Make it easier to catch suicune
I dunno about you, but I liked the fact that he wasn't post game in crystal
They should have kept it that way

>>30329769
>Pokemon Heart Gold and Soul Silver
The highest meme there is

>>30329769
>still has gen V
I'm sorry but no 'best of' pokemon games list will ever be accurate if it includes a gen V game.
Fuck off.

>>30330233
They were a great start and still fairly good games, but I think most of us realize it wasn't the best ones they made

>>30331018
too many mute characters would be bad

>>30329769
>SM better than emerald
>HGSS better than emerald

WHERE THE FUCK IS EMERALD

YOU
YOU MOTHERFUCKER

YOU REPLACED EMERALD WITH SUN AND MOON
YOU AINT SLICK
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU

>>30329769
Replace sun and moon with emerald.

>>30333010
Crystal is great for Nuzlockes, speedruns, completion and romhacks. It's nice and short, without the countless interruptions of gen 6 and 7 games.

It also connects with Stadium 2 if you're into Battle Facilities.

>>30331036
god dammit, you're supposed to put ORAS instead of B2W2.
fuck.

>>30333422
Ah, fair enough.

I wonder if the rumored Stars will be anything like that, probably not though.

>>30333409
Emerald is not as good as the games I posted.

>>30333458
ORAS ain't even the best hoenn game, let alone best in the series you triple nigger

>>30333570
Emerald is a great game.

Emerald, Platinum, BW2 and HGSS were packed with content. That's the holy pokemon quartet for me.

>>30333571
>muh battle frontier

>>30331036
>Oras
Ok bud, I'll give you that gen 3 was great, but I can tell you first hands that as a fan of Oras, it isn't the best game by far

>>30333678
I never said emerald was bad, it's good but still not as good as the ones in the image

>>30330847
>Pokemon cutscene
>Above HG/SS

Kys

>>30332144
It captures its own region's pokemon well, but it's kinda jarring for the other gens' mons because it's differing from the art style of the first two

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>>30331036

>>30329965
>Liking RBGY

>>30333678
That's the general opinion of this board, that those games are considered good by a large amount of people.

If your favorite Pokémon game isn't there you have shit taste.

>>30333902
>being RBGaY for Those games haha lol XD

>>30329898
I think so too.

>>30329769
But for now, this is correct

>>30329769
This really isn't wrong, even if B/W is my favorite.

>>30329769
the right answer is B2W2, HGSS, Emerald and ORAS

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>no emerald

>>30329769
This says less about how great these games are and says more about how shitty Gen 6 is.

>>30329769
Replace SM with Emerald and it's perfect.

>>30329769
i dont see why s/m is regarded so highly

>>30335393
It's new. Wait a few months and we'll see what everyone really thinks

>>30329769
I don't care how much Platinum fixed things.
Pearl was so awful I will never give that generation a second chance.

>>30329769
Can't

>>30335393
I can say the same about HGSS, really.

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>S/M
>removed tons of working features
>replaced them with shittier features
>people think that it's good

>>30329769
Can't buddy

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>>30335561
This.

>>30335582
Like what
PokePager is probably the best feature ever added to be honest.

>>30335393
Because it's good

>>30335651
>S.O.S. battles cannot be controlled and replace Horde Mode
>Trials replacing gyms
>Z-Crystals are just shitty mega evolutions that work for a move instead of a pokemon
>HM's removed for le ride pager, because ....??
>Friend Safari replaced with Festival Cancer
>Gen 1 new forms are equally useless as original forms, some worse in the case of Diglett

>>30335651
>casualization
>good
R/S/E were the best games, S/M is garbage

Now why would I do that?

>>30335757
>>HM's removed for le ride pager, because ....??

Because HMs are annoying as shit for anybody with functioning brains. I'm glad they're dead and I hope they stay dead.

>>30329769
Depends on what your definition of "great" is.

B2/W2 deserve their spot, as do HG/SS.

Platinum, however, still holds many of the flaws that Diamond and Pearl had. It isn't on the same level as B2/W2, but as far as Pokemon game standards go, it's good enough to be considered "great".

Sun and Moon have far too many flaws for me to be willing to call them "great". If I had to, I would much, much rather play the other three games before Sun and Moon. Hell, I'd rather play several other games not featured in this image than play Sun and Moon.

Because of this, I can't really consider them GREAT, or above-average pokemon games. All Pokemon games have their flaws, but "great" implies that they have less flaws than the average pokemon game, something which is blatantly false. As for what would take its place, I can't say for sure, but I certainly wouldn't put Sun and Moon among the other three.

>>30335772
>Having to carry around a TM slave
>Having any impact on the difficuilty when you can solo every gen with your starter

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>>30335757
>HM's removed for le ride pager, because ....??

Are people actually defending HM slave shit?

>>30335651
Ignore the shitposters. The real answer is it took the PSS and Join Avenue, and made both of them worse. Removed Triples, Rotations, and Inverse Battles. It means the SM Battle Tower actually is the one with the least content since Crystal.

Removed a lot of convenient breeding methods. Removed most dungeons from the overworld.

I like SM, but these are very real issues. I cant call it on par with the other 3 in the image

>>30336087
Realistically it's very hard to do it in Gen 5

In BW you need a good amount of X items for your starter and in BW2 speedrunners use Excradrills

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>>30336114
>Surf and Fly are some of the strongest moves in the campaign
>These are also the HMs you need the most
>forcing your slaves to use good moves is more slavery

#PokemonLivesMatter

>>30336351
>The moves still exist in the game
>Now you're just not FORCED to use them

>>30336041
>Platinum, however, still holds many of the flaws that Diamond and Pearl had
HGSS also has a good number of those flaws, namely the speed issues, as well as flaws from GSC. Platinum also has significantly more content than HGSS, and deserves its spot far more than HGSS does.

>>30329769
They stay forgotten in the dim corners of the house, is that what you mean?

Meanwhile FireRed is at the door to welcome you in and show you X&Y having a blast by the living room.

Emerald is in the master suite snorting coke out of a hooker's ass. Because he can.

>>30335757
>S.O.S. battles cannot be controlled and replace Horde Mode
What the fuck was so special about hordes? the fact that we face a set of five instead of trying to get more than 1 pokemon with SOS?
>Trials replacing gyms
Oh no the horrorrrrrrrrrrrrr. God forbid There are trials that don't act like puzzles. I could see wanting to face the captains, and that is a thing, but only if you actually backtrack to random locations.
>Z-Crystals are just shitty mega evolutions that work for a move instead of a pokemon
IT DOESN'T WORK FOR A POKEMON? FUCK THIS I'M SELLING MY 3DS.
>HM's removed for le ride pager, because ....??
Because The majority of people fucking hated putting HM slaves on their team just to get some small things out of the way. And hey! It's way better than needing an HM slave! Granted I miss the fuck out of the bicycle, but whatever.
>Friend Safari replaced with Festival Cancer
Hahaha comparing the friend safari with the festival plaza... Might as well compare it to every god damn multi player feature each and every single mainline game had.
>Gen 1 new forms are equally useless as original forms, some worse in the case of Diglett
I personally think they are better, but they still suck unfortunately.

>>30329769
I agree with HG/SS and S/Moon actually.
I didn't care as much for Platinum, but it was a pivotal generation for battling.
B2/W2 are personal least favorites of mine, only better than B/W. I would replace them with R/B out of principal.

>>30330013
I'm somewhere here. Gamefreak is always 1.5 steps forward, then one step back to make a barely marginally better game.

HGSS were great because the entire game could be played with the Dpad and the Touchscreen or the DPad and the Face buttons. it even had an A button on the touch screen that would graphically change depending on context.
Every game after that if you use the touch screen at all you have to use the face buttons to yes/no. Now this game they removed being able to access the menu from the touchscreen to begin with.
In HGSS with the pokewalker they added back mystery gift AND they added using your walking to enhance gameplay. generation V removed both but added premature streetpass features. Generation VI added back the walking features but still not fully baked (why can't you walk to hatch eggs? why can't you mystery gift with streetpasses?) and it had streetpass, but fuck game link points.

Generation VI added the PSS which is by far the best player interaction interface made so far AND it had the O-Powers to encourage player interaction AND making life easier, encouraging you to go out and walk to "enhance" gameplay.

Gen VII comes out and you know what? Fuck the PSS, fuck mystery gift, fuck player interaction, fuck horde battles, let's hide everything behind some obtuse shit.

>>30330343
Gen VI has amazing Quality of Life improvements for meta and multiplayer, but fucked itself over in every other aspect

>>30336630
>Gamefreak is always 1.5 steps forward, then one step back to make a barely marginally better game.

I don't understand how this is still a thing after 20 fucking years. Do they just simply ignore all constructive feedback from their fanbase? Do they bother even playtesting this shit?

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>>30335757
>People complain about HM's for years
>People complain about the removal of HM's

>>30336351
You can still get the moves, jackass.

>>30336741
it's actually company policy
>we remove features to make each set of games unique

>>30330847
In what literal way is SM above BW2 or Emerald? Please just, I don't even know, killyour self or something.

>>30335393
because it's actually pretty good, despite its issues

it doesn't deserve this spot, but it's certainly one of the better Pokemon games we've had, and certainly one of the better first releases
it's not the best anything, but it's good

>>30335757
>okay, valid
>that's good, the trials were flat out more interesting and varied
>you know, you can go mega and use a z-move on a different pokemon in the same battle
>HMs sucked, ride pager is a flat-out improvement
>okay, valid
>they're different Pokemon forms, that's fine, biggest issue is that all the Alolan forms are Gen 1 Pokemon for no fucking reason, Alolan Raichu is great

>>30336741
>Play Testing

It IS there, but they probably not the best because:

- One - Asians are submissive little shits who don't want to piss off their boss by telling them "Yo, this is wack and needs some fixing!"

- Two - They never get some decent programmers who can actually backtrack well enough to see some of the most ridiculously illegible shit - i.e.; Shell Smash Dragon that is outclassed by Garchomp.

It is a damn shame to be honest since they HAVE an idea where they're going, but simply tilt backwards when it comes to improving where they left off.

An example is Gen V. B/W introduced 151 NEW Pokemon, something everyone kept asking for in a while, but the amount of useless shitmons made it unbearable (inb4 ANYTHING WORKS INGAME) and literally promoted hacking more than any other Gen ever has due to the shitfest Dream World was.

They tried to fix this with B2/W2. But that was a filthy attempt at money grubbing by breaking tradition if I have ever seen one.

>B-but anon! There was no tradition!

Fuck you, there was always a third game to completely improve on where the games were shit and instead we got a story where N gets cucked an additional two more times.

>BW1
>Emerald
>BW2
>Crystal
>Yellow
Best games in the series in that order. This is the definitive Pokémon experience, no other games required.

Platinum is a decent runner up I guess, by Gen IV is just too inefficient and slow.

>>30337315
>crystal over HGSS
nah dawg, totally not

>>30335757
>S.O.S. battles cannot be controlled and replace Horde Mode

The fuck are you on? They make E.V. training so much more efficient and better than Hordes ever did and the Adrenaline Orbs allow this. I really miss the Super Training from Gen VI since it actually made my life easier than hunting hordes and all it needed was exploiting the touch screen, but Hordes were inefficient messes that didn't really help as much as people led on.

>Trials replacing gyms
Gyms were becoming too easy and stale ever since the upgrade to 3D. I understand that this is due to how the staff had to eliminate grid related puzzles, but as far as it's concerned, the Trials are little bit on the light hearted side and give depth to characters we would really know nothing about unless we had a fame checker like in FRLG or ran around like a retard and talked to EVERY NPC in game.

>Z-Crystals are just shitty mega evolutions that work for a move instead of a Pokemon

It was for the best to lay off Mega Evolutions for a while. If there are any more, I'd say Froslass is deserving of one since it's counterpart, Glalie, received one as did Gallade which is Gardevoir's counterpart.

>HM's removed for le ride pager, because ....??

Literally because HMs require you to use an HM slave whom occupies a slot in your team. It was a great change for the better.

>Friend Safari replaced with Festival Cancer

It was being exploited to the max and gave certain people an unfair advantage over others because RNG would dictate if you had a shitty Friend Safari or a Godsend Friend Safari.

>Gen 1 new forms are equally useless as original forms, some worse in the case of Diglett

This was mostly Gen 1 pandering while also attempting to stay away from Mega Evolutions for a while. I believe it was rather carried well for some mons more than others, but the same can be said about certain Mega Evolutions (i.e.; Garchomp who is superior to it's Mega Evolution).

>>30330208
Not him, but let me answer that.

It's worse than XY for multiplayer, the reason that the series got popular in the first place. Ergo, it's shit.

>>30329769
Emerald is better than all the game listed

Y'ALL WRONG.

1. BW2
2. HGSS
3. EMERALD
4. SM
5. PLATINUM

>>30329769
Replace Platinum with Crystal and it's more accurate.

>everyone says that list lacks Emerald
>everyone says S/M is bad
S T O P T H I S M E M E

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>>30332733
>>30333902
It's funny seeing Johtoddlers acting like they belong to the cool Gen 1 club. Fuck off, we don't allow admission to #152 and above.

RBGY will always be the best Pokémon games except to the under ages lurking here. That's a fact.

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Sounds good to me.

>>30338834
I don't think SM is bad, I just don't think it's part of a holy quartet

>>30329869
I honestly prefer crystal to emerald. I just dont care for gen3 at all. Then my only issue with gen4 now is despite their greatness, I've been spoiled by gen5's TM reusability so I dont want to replay them

>>30329769

SM are average

>>30337514
>slower, uglier version of the same game
If HGSS fixed ANY of the problems of GSC I'd agree despite the Gen IV engine, but it didn't. "
>but m-muh following pogies!
F off.

>>30338834
>SM
>good
Name one positive thing. One. Not including Pokemon designs. Talking game features.

>>30339673
>ugly version of the game

That's called an opinion anon Gen 2 games make me nostalgic as fuck though

>>30339708
No, it's objective. The style of GSC are perfect. Gen IV is when Pokemon lost a lot of its style and went in the generic, safe direction, and the transformation as of now, maybe even Gen VI, is fully complete.

>>30339808
The "art" or Sprite work?

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>>30335393
>>30335477
these

fixed btw

>>30339905
>BW
>Not BW2

Pick BW or Emerald, not both

>>30339843
I guess the art, but also the overworld itself. Gen III is was the gateway drug into losing its style and pandering to a larger audience, but it still has a lot of Pokémon's distinct style. Gen IV lost a lot of that style in favor of a more safe, less liberty-taking world and characters.

Like SM for example, its world and characters aren't distinguishable in any way from any miscellaneous Wii fit game background.

>>30339808
>objective
stopped reading

>>30339702
Somebody will say "story".

>>30339936
Fuck off Sinnofetus.

>>30332815
>Crystal
>over SM
Yeah no.

>>30339934
What the fuck are you saying

What makes Pokemon gen 1/2 unique from from Mother 1?

>>30335757
Because HM's are fucking terrible and have always been fucking terrible. Removing HM's is the best thing S/M has done for Pokemon.

>>30339960
Literally the "game's" biggest flaw.

>>30339673

Id rather play the game that didnt gut Kanto to meet a deadline.

>>30339808
HM removal. That alone is all I need.

>>30329769
Thank god Platinum fixed gen 4. What were they thinking when they made Diamond and Pearl?

>>30339990
Good point.

>>30340019
Are you fucking retarded you stupid newfag? That shitfaggot Masuda wanted to cut the game off at Johto, but Iawata intervened and oversaw adding Kanto as postgame for GSC himself. They didn't just not have time to finish.

>>30333182
But anon, you can catch Heatran in-game.

>>30340019
>didnt gut Kanto to meet a deadline

Reminder that it was a GB cartridge that was at full capacity before Kanto was even considered.

>>30339934
>>30339990

Im pretty sure hes just talking about the watercolor style

>>30339982
>SM
The only games I could put beneath SM would be ORAS, XY, and MAYBE DP. Any other Pokemon game is vastly superior to SM.

Like, did you like being led around and told what to do for no reason? It was like playing an overglorified dot-to-dot picture with annoying, irrelevant NPCs.

>>30340058

>Are you fucking retarded you stupid newfag? That shitfaggot Masuda wanted to cut the game off at Johto, but Iawata intervened and oversaw adding Kanto as postgame for GSC himself. They didn't just not have time to finish.

Earlier post said

>If HGSS fixed ANY of the problems of GSC I'd agree despite the Gen IV engine, but it didn't

I just proved that it did. Deal with it.

>>30340065
That too, but I'm talking about the in-game look as well.

>>30340157

What, how every town is a tinted color?

I would have loved to see Gamefreak continue that legacy.

>>30340126
Viridian Forest is longer? Is that what you're talking about? I'd rather have Pokemon distribution and EXP curve fixed. That forest shit is minimal.

>>30340124
>any pokemon game is vastly superior
>even RS
I want to say you're just pretending, but I know better. Also if SM were as awful as you say, then how cone out of the entire community, this place is the only one that trashes it ?

>>30340194
Kind of yeah. Like picture any city in Johto. They all have a distinct look. Olivine? Holy shit.

Think about an XY city.
>...

>>30340227
Yeah, and 50 Shades of Grey is the best novel of all time because it's loved everywhere besides 4chan.

Fuck off, retard. I wouldn't be surprised if you like SM just for all the phurfus.

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>>30331036
I neither agree nor disagree but that is just funny. Good job anon.

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>>30340208

I was talking more about how kanto legends are actually catchable in HGSS and some of the dungeons have been restored. It actually feels like a full region.

>>30340267
That's why it's called an opinion, you fucking twat.

>>30340267
Wathever makes you feel better, man.

>>30339982
Say a single good thing about SM that will make you want to play it again in 2018.

Even fucking XY is better than SM. At least it had a killer multiplayer interface and breeding/training conveniences.

>>30340294
>>30340335
You're saying SM is good. But you literally can't say why. Lmao.

>>30340289
I'm with you. There's definitely pros and cons.

>>30331565
a concise point on /vp/. color me blue

>>30340357
>this is what retards here believe
This really is a contrarian nest, holly fuck.

gen 3 is not good. It was never good. Emerald gets a pass for battle frontier though

>>30340415
I can figuratively tell you why, though.

>>30329769
>b&w2.....
NOT B&W1 with superior Lilly.

>>30340479
So all you can do is ad hominem.

I see you're one of those idiots who drools over whatever is new, without even thinking why you like it.

>>30340227
Most of /vp/ loves Sun and Moon. It has its flaws, but we still have it.

>>30336114
Not him but I would defend it. I actually really like poke pager but I don't see why my pokemon with rock smash couldn't break some rocks. I like how it says in the game that poke pager is great for people who don't own pokemon or are trainers. For someone with hundreds of pokemon in a box I don't see why I can't use one of those and have to call on some other pokemon.

The problems with HMs was not the HM themselves but the 6 pokemon limit. Now that you can call on pokemon that are not even yours why can't you just call your own? Just put your pokemon in a utility/slave box and when you need their HM you can just call them like a poke pager.

I hope poke pager is the beginning of HMs, not the end.

>>30340563
l o v e

>>30340561
You really couldn't be more far from the truth. The fact that said even XY are better games proves that you're either baiting or have no idea what you're talking about.

Wait you're from /v/, aren't you ?

>>30340504
Finally somebody else who appreciates Bianca.

>>30340647
Just shut up if you can't be assed to argue.

>black and white 1 or 2

fucking gross

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>>30329895
This guy actually has taste.

SM are better games in ways such as:
better story
removing HMs
colorful region
it's different from older games
better evil team(s)
more post game
more fleshed out characters
better rivals
more emotion
non-chibi models
SOS battles, totem/aura battles
easier accessible berry farm
more customization
all pokemon can used overpowered moves
Better level curve
more new pokemon to catch

XY are better in ways such as:
more organized region
it's the same as older games
you can walk
MC emotion is better
less laggy
triple battles, rotation battles hordes
better customization
Megas are quicker to get
very little people turned off their EXP All on their first playthrough
You were more free to explore
more variety to catch

cba to think of more atm

>>30339960
>>30340964

There it is.

>>30340479
Yeah, this place sucks. You should probably head over to Reddit where you belong with the other intellectuals.

>>30340964
>very little people turned off their EXP All on their first playthrough
Whoops that's not better, didn't mean to type that.

>>30340994
Honestly, XY's story wasn't as good as SM's

Granted I played Y and Lysandre wanted to kill everything.

>>30341052
I'd say that Lysandre made XY better than SM.

Lusamine wasn't a threat herself, and after the UBs were released I thought that we would get help from the Tapus to fight and stop them from destroying our world, but they just kept chilling until post game.

Lysandre at least was an immediate threat and his ideals were pretty fucked up but understandable.

>>30341205
Sure, Lysandre was more of a villain than the others.

The battle frontier is overrated.

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>>30341205
>the one time they need the "legendary pokemon destroying the world" drama that's been a part of pokemon since gen 3, it's wasted on some mary sue's mommy problems in a dumb cave

I will never not be mad

>>30330383
You mean better. Best region and best designs.

>>30340826
Triggered much, anon ?

While I do fucking love HG/SS, their VERY HARD to replay after you've experienced the fastness of Gen 5 and beyond.

Seriously, fuck Gen 4's speed.

someone remake DP and Platinum with Gen 5's engine already

>>30330847
You played R/S/E and G/S/C, right?

>>30329769
Other than replace BW2 with BW I'm with you.

ITT:
>my opinion is correct

>>30329932
Pt had a little frontier

>>30330119
>emerald
ftfy

>>30330942
People hate ORAS because of the Battle Maisson

>>30329895
>liking BW1

>>30337177
Well first off

BW2's story is trash

BW2's villain plot is trash

The treatment of the legendary is trash

Almost the entire main game until the 8th Gym Leader is just BW with slight changes here and there. I mean the Castelia City part is almost a 1:1 of the Castelia City section from BW, just switch Team Plasma in the sewers to Team Plasma in the building.

Speaking of the sewers, there is a real lack of new areas and most of them have little to no importance after you visit them for the first time.

Let's also talk about the Gym Leaders who lost all significance they had in BW and are now just there to be there like most Gym Leaders. They aren't part of the plot anymore, hell they don't even help when Team Plasma raid Opelucid City.

And then the new Gym Leaders, Roxie, Cheren, and Marlon are just meh. Roxie has some kind of plot but then you never hear from her again after the thing with her dad in the beginning of the game. Cheren was great to see again but they just pasted Lenora's team with him, even the damn Gym Badge.

There's more but I think I've did enough to satisfy your question. Okay sure, the postgame is great, but what about the main game? You know, the shit you have to go through before you get to the good stuff?

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>It's another Genwar thread without any actually criticisms, and just calling things trash without explanation.
Can't wait for this thread to be purged, and most of you banned.

>>30345213
Even if BW2 doesn't have a strong story compared to its predecessor, the thing that makes people love BW2 is because its FUN.

[spoilers]and to satisfy all the genwunners, there are plenty of non-unova Pokes[/spoilers]

>>30345322
BW2 is fun because of the postgame. There's a lot to do after you clear the seriously lacking main story. You won't get bored of it until at least a few months, maybe.