Explain

Its movepool, stats and typing.

Its movepool, stats and typing.

>>30318432
It has the exact same stat total as a regular Marowak, while every single ultra beast has a stat total of 570

Salazzle is better in every way

>>30318432
And wouldn't Xukitree just use Thunderbolt and OHKO this fucker? The only immunities he has is normal and fighting, and that only helps him with both UB-02s and Kartana

>>30318504
it gets lightning rod

>>30318458
Shame about your reading comprehension stat or you would understand that he didn't mean stat total.

>>30318529
Okay so that gives it another Immunity
It's not Ground so even though It can learn earthquake it probably won't OKO Xukitree, plus theres Guzzlord who just destroys this fucker, and the same with Nihilego who can just use stone edge and fuck him up even more

>>30318596
>It's not Ground so even though It can learn earthquake it probably won't OKO Xukitree, plus theres Guzzlord who just destroys this fucker, and the same with Nihilego who can just use stone edge and fuck him up even more
they know this in the wild?

>>30318596
No one runs Stone Edge on Nihilego

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>>30318596
dont you love when retards theorycraft

>>30318486
Except at killing Pherosma and Scarf Xurkitree

>>30318596
You forget how much Attack this guy has with thick club and this mon is really physically bulky it can survive one stone edge and then OHKO Nihilego with either earthquake or Bonemerang. Also Xurkitree is not exactly the bulkiest motherfucker.

alright but how can he counter Guzzlord?

>>30318596
Nobody uses Guzzlord, and if they did, it'll probably get burned, outsped, and eventually finished off by Marowak.

Also you might mean Power Gem on Nihilego but that thing can't switch in and pops to any phys attack

>>30318623
As a cubone they can carry on the ability

>>30318596
>carrying a physical move on nihilego
>all these random assumptions with no calcs
Never change /vp/

>>30318774
who cares, guzzlord is trash anyway

Okay, Thou have convinced me that Alolan Marowak is a Mexican killer

However
>>30318486
How tf can Salazzle do Marowak better?

>>30318774
even if anyone was crazy enough to use guzzlord in ou
252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Guzzlord: 682-804 (104.9 - 123.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>30318393
THANK YOU BASED UB AND TAPU SLAYER!!

and to think so many of you doubted him
>lul stats same as regular Marowak shitmon confirmed

He is a slayer of gods

>>30318432
Its movepool is bog standard for its types, isn't it?

>>30318882
Bonermerang for destroying sturdies
Flare Blitz/Flame Charge + STAB
Shadow Claw + STAB
Will-o-Wisp for raping your attack and health

>>30318931
>running shadow claw when shadow bone exists

>>30318931
Flare Blitz/Flame Charge = bog standard for Fire types
Shadow Claw = bog standard for Ghost types
Will-o-Wisp = bog standard for both Fire and Ghost types
Why didn't you just say bonemerang and shadow bone are what distinguishes its movepool? That's what the post you responded to was after.

>>30318393
>>30318860
He's trash at literally everything that isn't catching pokemon. His typing and movepool makes him a good catchmon, but the story enemies shit all over him because everyone has Dark moves, the NPCs in the battle tree will shit on him effortlessly, and players online will shit on him endlessly because everyone fucking has Dark moves.

If you think you know better than I do, then please debate/correct me. I love being proven wrong. I get to learn shit.

Been using alolan marowak in my team. It puts in work. Baiting and switchblocking elec attacks and then sweeping reliably with a single boost. Good defensive typing, Thick club benefits, access to a widely typed and very effective movepool.

It's my new favorite of this gen.

So why couldn't Chandelure handle any of this? Does Lightningrod really make all the difference, or is it something about Marwak being physical?

>>30319121
>muh in game viability!
>shitter who doesn't play competitive spotted

Anon everything is viable in game. My Marowak one shot the Lurantis and Vikavolt totems and his fire stab has been great in general, he's easily my strongest mon.

It's slow and requires an item to work.

A fast Pokemon with knock off makes it useless

>>30319121
in terms of big vgc meta I really haven't seen much dark moves
With the fact that a lot of egg moves aren't in because pokebank, knock off isn't common, sucker punch got nerfed by 10 bp
I run him in a trick room team because his speed sucks, but 3 type immunities is awesome to switch in with, and he hits 3/4 tapus and majority of UB pretty hard

>>30319231

But I run it with belly drum + Sitrus.

>>30319224
Lightning Rod literally gives him Elec invulnerability against Christmas Tree of much shocking.

Being physical and hitting even harder with thicc club helps.

>>30319224
marowak can actually switch in on pheromosa, and lightning rod shuts down xurkitree completely

>>30318458
>while every single ultra beast has a stat total of 570
252+ Attack Marowak effectively has a BST of 554 at the cost of its item slot.

>>30318931
UBs and Tapus don't have knock off. He is good because he keeps metamons in check. Switch out on common knock off mons.

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>Everyone online thinks A-Marowak shuts down all the Tapus except Fini
>They bring in Marowak on CB Bulu and get oneshot by Wood Hammer
bulu is really fuckin gross, I use my own Marowak a lot but I keep a Skarmory around just for Bulu.

>>30319370
>garchomp out speeds and 1 shots with poison jab
>weavile poison jab
>anything poison jab

>>30319370
>Bulu
>one shots A-marowak with wood hammer

is bulu that ridiculously strong?

>>30319402
>Keeping a choice user on a revenge killer

>>30319419
I cant do calcs atm, but I find that a bit suspect myself. Might be because of the boost from Max Atk+CB on Grassy Terrain powering the attack against no investment Marowak, but idk.

>>30319370
>>30319419
no anon is just shit posting
252+ Atk Choice Band Tapu Bulu Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Alolan Marowak in Grassy Terrain: 116-137 (69.4 - 82%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

>>30319419
with choice band or a bulk up, yes
max hp marowak needs SR to KO though but you'll outspeed it anyway if it's max HP and kill it next turn

>>30318596
Completely uninvested Marowak-A(neutral nature) vs Xurkitree:
0 Atk Thick Club Marowak Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Abomasnow: 316-372 (102.9 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

That's a neutral nature on Marowak.

Nobody runs bulky Xurkitree.

>Nihilego
It loses the one-on-one vs a specially bulky Marowak unless running a Life Orb set, as it barely misses the KO with Power Gem(Stone Edge doesnt even do half of Marowak-A's HP, since Nihilego has squat for physical attack)

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>>30319457
>>30319459
>KOs no hp marowak with a resisted move
>KOs max hp marowak with SR up

>>30319459
Is that taking into account wood hammers ridiculous recoil?

>>30319476
>Abomasnow

anon pls did you even try

>>30319515
obviously recoil is an issue but you've got grassy terrain and horn leech to help offset it

>>30318850

When a mon has as high HP as Guzzlord and such low defenses, it's arguably worth running Defense over HP.

252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-A Low Kick (100 BP) vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Abomasnow: 396-468 (67.4 - 79.7%)

>>30319539
Yeah but you aren't using horn leech in the middle of a 2HKO are you?

>>30319571
if it's a 2hko you lose less health overall because you have a 2nd turn to get grassy terrain HP back

>>30319537
Abomasnow is just the standard setting on the calculator.

>>30319613
but the calculator updated with presets for all the alola stuff now

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>>30319226
I'll admit that I don't play much competitive, but there's no reason we can't have ingame viability too. Going "EVERYTHING is viable" isn't a sufficient argument because I can say that a team of 6 Magikarp with Z-Splash is "Viable" using that criteria.

>>30319252
You're cool though. This was shit that I didn't know and you actually explained some shit.

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>TFW my Xurki came with HP Dark
>Ended up being a mixed blessing because it can twoshot A-Marowaks switching in on me

How well does alolan marowak deal with azumarill?

What are some good checks I should pair up with a-marowak to deal with any azumarills?

>>30319687
it doesnt

>>30319224
It's not just that he's physically damaging, he is also physically defensive, because the resists alone aren't enough to take potentially boosted hits from the physical UBs and still take another to attack. Then everything else just works slightly in his favor - Flare Blitz is stronger than Fire Blast and won't cost you a game now and then with a miss, to deliver the same-ish power Chandelure would need Life Orb, Marowak has powerful Ground and Rock coverage options, and while Lightningrod vs Infiltrator isn't completely one-sided, it handles specific super strong in-meta Pokemon in OU right now.

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>>30319665
>tfw HP ground

>>30319665
Does your Xurki have 31 perfect IVs in every stat?

Cause that would also give it HP Dark

>>30319562
Stop comparing shit to Abomasnow, it tells people nothing.
252+ Atk Marowak-Alola Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Guzzlord: 344-406 (52.9 - 62.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Marowak-Alola Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 128 Def Guzzlord: 282-332 (48 - 56.5%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO

>>30319708
god i wish, it's got middling defense, max hp, sp atk, speed and bad sp def/attack

>>30319710
>giving alolan marowak low kick

but why tho

>>30319328
Comparing after-item power to another Pokemon's pre-item power isn't too fair. Offensive UBs will likely be running LOs, bands and scarfs.

>>30319724
what else is marowak going to hit those heavy steel types with (&:

>>30319734
That's true.
That being said Marowak gives zero fucks about scarves.

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>Want to run Rock Head for flare blitz spam
>Lightning Rod is too good to pass up if opponent has Xurki/Top Kek

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If your coldsteel its possible

>>30319743
flare blitz??

>>30319121

You're retarded. Look at all the current popular Pokemon like Tapu Koko or Buzzwole or fucking PHEREMOSA. They don't run dark and Marowak is immune, resists, or at worse is neutral to all their best moves. No shit you don't switch this in on something that's known to use dark coverage you dumbass, but guess what, not a single one of the most dangerous Pokemon uses dark coverage.

Anything that can HARD COUNTER PHEREMOSA is good you stupid faglord.

>>30319743

It's a fucking fire type.

>>30319905
Sandslash isn't a shrew, it's actually closest to a hedgehog. They did this on purpose.

Marowak can't check special Pheromosa after QD or a kill
+1 252+ SpA Life Orb Pheromosa Bug Buzz vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Marowak-Alola: 99-116 (37.9 - 44.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
It's honestly quite disgusting

>>30320001
While I do agree with you, I want to point out that Buzzwole often runs Earthquake or Stone Edge, which can OHKO Marowak on the switch.

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>>30318393
What's the best set for "Bad to the bone" mon
>It's slow
>Low stats
>Extra weaknesses

I'm running one with my story run, but it's just a Marrowak on fire

>>30320952
if it can come in after something else dies or something slow uses u-turn, and threaten to kill or force turkroach out with hilariously boosted flare blitz, it's a check

marowak can't switch in to +1 safely under rocks, which means it's not a counter

>>30320952

Is special Pheremosa really common though? I think most people are using physical with Ice Beam. Would make a great lure/surprise set though. I'm guessing Pheremosa is too broken as a physical/mixed set that people aren't willing to mess around with a gimmicky special variant.

>>30321116
>Low stats

Thick Club

>Extra weaknesses

And a ton of extra immunities and resistances with Lightning Rod and ghost typing, and fire gives better resists than ground, like grass, ice, poison, fairy, and steel.

I love A-Marowak because it immediately shows who is bad and good at this game, or at the very least, who is paying attention to what the good players say.

@30321260
yeah it's really easy to spot the bad players because they run alolan marowak

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>>30319665
>I switch in my Guzzlord instead

>>30321292
t. low ELO fag

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>>30321292
>@
Is this an epic new meme because it's not the first time I've seen this shit

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>>30321322
>Xurkitree used signal beam!
your move

>>30321308
>Using Guzzlord

Silvally can too if you make it appropriately

>Fairy for the bugs
>ground for the squid and circuitry
>electric for the missile waifu
>fire for the origami
>fairy again for the fat lobster

>>30318393
I'm finishing up training my Rock Head and Lightning Rod Bones right now. How do you like running Marowak? Thick Club or Air Balloon?

>>30321458
I used Alolan Marowak for the main game (And in all honesty, the only reason I made this thread was because I just wanted to see why people said that he was such an illegal killer)
Anyways mine had Lightning Rod as an ability (And essentially murdered Hau's Raichu)

In all honesty, I recommend Thick Bone as mine has always been able to take an Earthquake.

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Anyone got a thick club lightning rod marowak they wanna trade?

I have HA lycan, HA mareanie, HA giblet and other good mons

>>30321458

Air Balloon is best on an offensive Marowak, who is both quite slow and would benefit even more from the Thick Club. If you fear ground that much, run defensive with Shuca.

>>30318458
>>30318486
>>30318504
>>30318596
>>30318931
>>30319121
>>30321292
>>30322143
Why is vp so shit at competitive?

>>30324127

The Bonemarang guy managed to get 2 right at least. Bonemarang over Earthquake for Grassy Terrain, WoW, and Flare Blitz. Fire Punch and Shadow Bone over Charge and Claw though.

>people are getting smart and Pherm now runs a dark move with z crystal for marow

Guys..

>>30324740
Pheromosa learns a damaging Dark type move?

>>30318931
>using the strictly inferior Shadow Claw instead of Shadow Bone

>>30325456

Z-HP Dark :^)

>>30320503
It's based on a pangolin though.

>>30318529
This is so useful for two reasons.

One: It gives Marowak an immunity to Electric attacks.

Two: It means Tapu Koko can't do jackshit to its partner in doubles without using Discharge

>>30318393
I love this guy. Nobody was expecting Marowak of all Pokemon to be the last hope of a balanced meta. It shows how important having the right type combo at the right time is.

>>30325456
HP Dark + Darkzinium whatever. It shits on marow. Leaving it is risky as hell now

>>30331216
>>30326134
Hidden Power always has a normal type Z move. So no.

>>30329864

Lightning Rod is what makes it. Fire/Ghost isn't enough, otherwise Chandelure would be sweeping the meta.

>>30318393
type null was designed to fight ultra beasts
marowak was born to do it

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I love my a wak. Absolute bro in game and fun as fuck online for obvious reasons.

Most people that try and predict shit on vp are autistic retards.

Just make your own decisions and have fun, anons