Ash Greninja

>>30288964
IKU ZE

>>30290023
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>>30290098
So now that we know the stats and mechanics, how much damage did M-Zard X take before the win?

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>>30288964
>can't be viable more than protean mixed

ahh, no.
it's hitting almost as protean with non-STAB, and hitting far harder with STAB
it's also faster, can outspeed the roach if it's not speed based nature, and the only priority it's weak is only mach-punch.

harder to use, and good in a whole other niche than protean greninja. it's a late game sweeper/cleaner on the verge of wallbreaker
>Ash-Greninja is a Mewtwo with Technician priority who can bypass subs/sash, Mega-manectric speed and Landorous-T strapped on his shuriken for ATK support.

Oh, and it's can use items, same as Mewtwo.
No, seriously.

>252 SpA Life Orb Ash-Greninja Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 165-195 (37.1 - 43.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>252 SpA Life Orb Mewtwo Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 165-196 (37.1 - 44.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>>30290822
Doesn't Battle Bond double the power of Water Shuriken in Ash-Greninja form, along with the guaranteed three hits thing?

>>30291639
Serebii say it's 1.5x, smogon say it's 1.33X
No idea which one is right, i'm going with the lower option to not dissapointing myself

>>30290822
But Ash-Greninja can't have Gunk Shot.

So it's literally inferior to normal Greninja. Gunk Shot is the reason Greninja even got banned.

>>30293191
Untill move tutors in the next games, nigga.

>>30293293
Yeah, sure, but as it stands now, Ash-Greninja is good, but Protean Greninja is better due to the fact that it literally BTFOs the Tapus with Gunk Shot.

Protean greninja is a better wallbreaker is more durable while Ash-greninja is a better late game sweeper is able to hit harder.

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It IS confirmed to be only 3hit, so it's 60bp

pretty much same as priorty from Technician, which is fucking good.
Achieving the transformation is quite easy, unless you fight stallfags. Greninja still shitting on a lot of things


After transforming, with extraesense not even Toxapex can wall it

252 SpA Life Orb Ash-Greninja Extrasensory vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Toxapex: 161-190 (52.9 - 62.5%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

And even before transforming, with Extra-sense it can two-shot mixed Toxapex.

252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Extrasensory vs. 252 HP / 123 SpD Toxapex: 70-83 (44.5 - 52.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Water-Shuriken is more than enough to dent pretty much anything weak to water after transforming.

252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Water Shuriken (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Hippowdon: 288-351 (68.5 - 83.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Life Orb Ash-Greninja Water Shuriken (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Heatran: 219-264 (56.7 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Non-Stabs are close to protean Greninja, which is not bad at all while being faster


right now it's pretty much a better XY meta Greninja, which is good
move tutors will give it even more coverage and will make it as good as Protean, because it could go past pink blobs with 145 attack. Hell, it got a fucking good as fuck Priority to hit really, really fucking hard. only 7% difference.

252 SpA Life Orb Ash-Greninja Water Shuriken (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 144-174 (35.6 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 171-202 (42.3 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO


People who say Ash-Greninja is shit are dumb. it's harder than protean to use, that's for sure, but as a late game cleaner it's fucking amazingly good


Also it's ingame animations are fucking cool as fuck.
>use acrobatics ingame
>it's use the fuma shuriken as two swords and literally go omni-slash