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Decidueye is better than Primarina and Incineroar

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Decidueye is better than Primarina and Incineroar
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Water is wet
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>mfw the decidueye thread on smogon has the most replies

people are really desperate for their shitty owl to be good.
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>>30269719
That isn't saying much, the Unova Starters are better than Primarily and Inciniroar. Yes even Samurott
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>>30269810

And you're desperate to fuck a Zorua.
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>>30269817
You can hate a mon without lying, dude. At least Incineroar and Primarina make sense.
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Decidueye>Incineroar>>>>>>>>>>>>>Trannyrina
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>>30269719
And yet I still don't like it.
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That's just like your opinion man.
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LOL
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>>30269719
Better yea but none of them are good. Decidueye has a unique thing going for him in his ability to trap and pivot but thats about it. While it is a good thing I don't think it'll be enough to keep him top tier.
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>>30269810
Maybe it's because it's actually good enough to warrant discussion, unlike the other two shitlings.
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>>30270049

People who pick rowlett: normal people

People who pick popplio: 12 year olds

People who pick litten: edgy 12 year olds who fap to gore and also browse /pol/
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>>30269719
facts, though I also like the other two
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>>30269719
Fire beats grass though friend
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>>30269810
>Being THIS butthurt your starter has no niche to exist in
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>>30269719
>being this assmad your starter is the least viable this generation

Incineroar=Primarina>>>shit>>>>>>>dog shit>>>>>>>>>>>Unova starters>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Meganium>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cuckeye
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>>30270736
>Emboar 2.0
>Most viable
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i love all the alola starters, they're all great in their own ways
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why are people like this?

all the starters look neat to use, but I'm most excited for intimidate incineroar

I tried a gimmicky z-curse set on decidueye and it went alright, but he's not quite bulky enough to pull off cool combos like that reliably
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>>30270272
>edgy /pol/ack who picked the owl
Am I the Mustard Race?
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>>30270776
he's more like arcanine than emboar
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>>30270049
So are the UBs and Tapus. Yet most of them don't even have half the number of replies Decidueye's does. Really makes you think.
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>>30270835
I didn't know arcanine lacked any form of priority or was at bast 60 speed
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>>30270798
>literally covered in watermarks
It's hard to enjoy the picture when you know it was drawn by a massive faggot.
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>mixed attacker stats
>learns literally no special attacks on it's own

why the fuck did they do this
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>>30270272
>tfw litten
I'm not edgy, 12, and I don't fap to gore but you're right on the browsing /pol/ part.
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>>30270945
>fake out
nice try

but arcanine is way more about intimidate, snarl, and will-o-wisp than extremespeed, I think
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>>30270963
If I had that kind of skill, I'd sure as hell make potential art thieves mah beeitches.
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>>30270798
>all those watermarks
I don't even have an image that can convey my level of disgust
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We've reached the point in the franchise's history where there are literally hundreds of better Pokemon than the starters.
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>>30270272
Same as gen 6 like pottery wow

Froakie: normies, actual sane people, bandwagoners
Fennekin: 12 yo furries, old perverts, generally people with mental issues, autism, aspergers
Chespin: edgy 12 yo hipsters, contrarians, baras
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>>30271027
Utilitymons turn me on
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>>30270798
there are at least 6 watermarks on this image
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>>30270272
>also browse /pol/

Catbros confirmed patricians. Stay bluepilled, owlcuck and sealfag sheeple.
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>>30269719
Well, on many levels yes, it's much easier to like without looking weird, as the design and concept compared to the other two is much more straight forward and rowlet didn't lean to anything design wise except towards a round as fuck baby owl, and competitive because it's actually has a niche outside of heavy hitting and needing its ha, and like incineroar, surprisingly tanky, where as primarina can't tank what its second highest stat is supposed to block...
I'm not being biased either, primarina literally can't tank shit for some reason and it fucking pissed me off
Plus final design doesn't lean to either gender too heavily, so it Doesn't alienated or follow "stereotypes" as much as the other two do
>Inb4 lol what an sjw faglord caring about gender stereotypes
Don't really care, it's just a point to note as it's truthful
In short, it's very reminiscent of greninja, minus the overpowered as fuck hidden ability, massive movepool and actually good stats
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>>30270272
I thought /vp/ was lying when they said all decidueyefags were nu-males, based incineroar putting them in their place
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>>30271192
Nailed it
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>>30270776
>"I-It's viable in Doubles, I swear!"

Incineroarfags are fucking hilarious.
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>>30271076

If you actually need to put watermarks all over something you're a failure of an artist.

Success is measured in demand for sauce.
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>>30272006
It's probably one of those things where it's split into three images that form one big image.
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Incineroar is cooler because it has much more personality, and the fact that almost everyone seems to hate Primarina just makes me want to like it more.
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>>30271398
If you're the same guy from a thread earlier, you should realize that Primarina is tankier than Decidueye on average. Maybe you got screwed over with it's IVs and Nature but it's HP is a bit higher, it's Def is only lower by 1, and it's SpD is much higher. And on top of that it has a better defensive typing. It is not less tanky than Decidueye.
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>>30270272
>People who pick rowlett: normal people
I'm pretty sure people that pick rowett are the wannabe edgelords who always play rogues/thieves in RPGs because they want maximum edge

People who pick Litten are 90's kids who get a kick out of big dumb wrestling tiger

People who pick popplio... whatever, who cares.

You get the point
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>>30271192
>Greninja
>not anime edgelords
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>>30272182
Dumb Gintokiposter

Gintama is a terrible shitty anime
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how do you pronounce Decidueye
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>>30272298
"Fakemon"
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>>30272298
"in-to-the-trash"
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>>30272298
deh-sid-jew-ai
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>>30272298
Dell-mise
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>>30272298
DE
LU
SIO
NAL
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>>30269719
A pity everything carries Crunch. And all the Air Slashes, and Kukui's Barashit super furcat in general.

>tfw everything on my team aside from Angry Sam and Salazzle was weak to Dark types but couldn't bring myself to replace anyone

>>30270272
>edgy 12 year olds who fap to gore and also browse /pol/
You're like one of those shitty YouTube bloggers looking for nasty labels to call people.
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>>30272298
dee sid jew eye
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>>30270975
I'll tell you if you post more juicy bird tits
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>calls deshitueye good
>when it's outclassed by two other grass/ghost types and almost as shit as the third
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>>30269810
It's the Charizard/Greninja of this generation

it's to be expected
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>>30272453
Except Greninja was actually good to begin with and Charizard while being shit-tier in base form gained two OP megas. Decidueye is neither
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>>30272402
>calls fakemons good
>when their outclassed by superior Grass/Dark, Fire/Poison, and Water/Fighting starters
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>>30272479
actual competitive viability has nothing to do with it, Charizard has been beloved for years regardless of its usefulness

you look at any poll of the starters in sun/moon vast majorities pick rowlet

also ghost is a meme type and people are excited about having a ghost starter too
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>>30272479
What if it gets a mega next game? While Incineroar and Primarina don't.
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>>30272506
haha epic meme XD

all of the starters are shit this gen
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*walks up to numale owl*
*brings out my dhelmise*
*outclasses 'him' to death*

pffft nothin personnel meganium 2.0
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>>30270272
People who pick thing that I like: cool guys

People who pick thing that I don't like: fucking STUPID idiots
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>>30271957
>i-its viable in OU I swear!

Rowletcucks are even worse, it's only like 2 fags that legitimately think Incineroar is good, but the whole Decidueye fanbase are deluded enough into thinking it's competitively viable.
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>>30272518
It has to do with it dummy, anon was talking about a smogon thread.

And I doubt Decidueye will be as popular as Charizard and Greninja just because these 2 are breakout star oddities among pokemon in general.
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incineroar = trump
redditeye = hillary
trannyseal = jeb
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>>30272606
It is, though. SubPass and Defensive Defog are both very viable sets on Decidueye.
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>>30272714
Having viable sets =/= BEING OU.

Usage is what matters, not viability.

With all the tapus crazee, UBs roaming around, old threats and tanks I doubt emo owl is making the cut for OU.
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>>30269810
>>30270049

I think it's more because of interest. People are intrigued by its toolset and want to develop ways to use it. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's good or bad.
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>>30272649
I've seen like 3 or 4 posts just today saying Decidueye is either Trump or Hillary.
This is just a meme way for arguefags to be upset because it's better than their choice and they don't get to be smug.
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>>30272297
Okay.
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>>30272298
desu-jew
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>exclusive ability makes it so all moves don't make contact
>Only good for some moves
>exclusive move doesn't make contact
>there is a item that does same thing as long reach
>specially defensive grass type but instead of being weak to poison and bug its now weak to dark and ghost even more common types

i don't see it being too good,
its just a Vileplume with more and less tools,
NU at highest
and physical ghost types that are good is rare.

Comparing it to other bulky grass types in UU Chesnaut,celebi,Roserade and whimsicott
its just not worth it.

Incineroar will be the worst till/if it gets intimidate sadly .
Primarina hits hard but its hard to tell if itll be low UU or higher RU.

Dhelmise is barley better then Decidueye if not there pretty even

owl is getting a lot of use in VGC ,either its just new toy syndrome or its decent till banks out.
then you'll never see it
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Primarina > Decidueye > Incineroar
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Design wise, this is the worst fucking gen for starters holy shit.


Gens 1, 2, 5 are the highest tier in no paritcular order.
Then Gens 3,4
POWER GAP
Gen 6
POWER GAP
Gen 7
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>>30273640
>5
>good starters

Top meme
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>>30273689
Design wise? They are pretty fucking good.
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>>30272642
>And I doubt Decidueye will be as popular as Charizard and Greninja

I could be, or maybe that is their plan considering they gave Ash a Rowlett
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>>30273714
>Design wise? They are pretty fucking good.
sup
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>>30270272
Rowlett - Normies, reddit nu males

Primarina - LGBTs, SJWs, actual girls

Incineroar - Alpha chads, but also furry ass faggots
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>>30273753
>He doesnt love it.
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>>30273741
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>>30273753
Samurott was the garbo one
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>>30273807
>He likes it
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>>30273814
This post is the shit taste one.
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>>30272642
>And I doubt Decidueye will be as popular as Charizard and Greninja just because these 2 are breakout star oddities among pokemon in general.
No but Rowlett is going to be the next cutemon breakout star. Pretty much already has it too.
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>>30273886
We haven't had one since Oshawott. We'll see if Rowlet keeps up.

And cutemons aren't really that popular anyway
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>>30272170
I can guarantee to you it wasn't IVs because it was on showdown and I made sure it had perfect on Everything but attack, and it might've been nature because I went bold to see if it was similar to blissey, and boy was I fucking wrong there, and I invested at least 100 EVs into special defense and full 252 in normal defense where as Decidueye with maxed attack and speed and zero in defenses was somehow able to tank a fucking darkest lariat and a beast boosted thunderbolt from xurkitree, so with that in mind, it's highly doubtful it was the set I was running
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>>30273640
>Gens 2, 5 are the highest tier in no paritcular order.
Now that's just wrong.
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>>30271957
>If I stutter greentext thing, they'll be proven wrong!

Intimidate not being released really hurts it though.
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>>30270963
What, you want your shit stolen?
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>>30271277
Careful you don't trigger the inferior starters.
>not using exclusively malicious moonsault
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>>30270272
Popplio: correct.

Other two: swap Litten people with Rowlet people.
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>>30274554
nah
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Incineroar>decidueye>primirina

This is the correct order and this is coming from someone who picked rowlet. I fucking love wrestling
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>>30270272
>Litten
>edgy 12 year olds
Why are owlfags such a huge hypocrites. Edgy starter is always the most popular and characterless. Fuck off with all this projecting and edgy redditowl shilling
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It's nice to know that Decidueye is one of the competitively best grass starters of all time, only outdone by Venusaur.
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>>30273810
I highly doubt that Froakie was the most popular in the Amie. But I guess we just have to wait and see
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>>30269810
That's because despite being a shitmon its a versatile shitmon. Primarna and Incineroar are a one trick pony and shafted till HA's respectively.
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It has a base 80 power 100 accuracy stab move that prevents switching out.

It cannot physically be bad with that alone.
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>>30276939
you rang?
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>>30276957
Dhelmise is a slow frail piece of shit with no moves. Decidueye is fast and bulky with a massive movepool.
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>>30276934

Primarina's HA is garbage since it doesn't boost power.
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>>30276874
>Serperior
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>>30276979

Sounds like righteous justice, since Primarina is a disgusting abomination with the worst fanbase ever.
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>>30276967
>78 HP/75 DEF
>bulky
>70 SPEED
>fast
>FAST
>FAST
>70
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I disagree.
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>>30276967
Dhelmise is bulkier than the owl and actually hits worth a shit. Has rapid spin, great coverage and a good selection of status moves to fuck with switchins.
>slow
says they owlfag.

>>30276979
yes, hence its the one trick pony, and incineroar is shafted till its gets intimidate. Reading comprehension is important.
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Both primarina and decidueye have garbage HA's.

At least gay tiger gets intimidate.
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>>30277021
The difference is that Decidueye don't need its HA to be one of the most powerful starters competitively.
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>>30277038
You can't be serious with this shit
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>Using starters
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>better than two shit starters
Not a very high bar
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>>30276967
>massive movepool
The level of denial is fucking crazy in this thread
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>>30269719
Its a nice support, better than I thought. UU probably. This faggot is role compression personified really.
>Slow bulky u turn with an offensive trapping move
>Defog
>Roost
That's all it does well, baton pass is ok I guess but its kinda shit at it compared to celebi say. If celebi is OU it might be able to do that well in UU. But its main niche is a slow u turn against a trapped foe into a setup mon that will enjoy the free turn as they switch out.

Meh
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>>30269930
>le tranny meme

(You)
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>>30276967
>fast
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>>30272066
>the fact that almost everyone seems to hate Primarina

[citation needed]
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>>30277073
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>>30276853
Rowlett is easily the most characterless of the two. Popplio has the most character. That's why I picked it.
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>>30270798
That image shows exactly why I hate Decidueye. They should've never made it anthropomorphic.
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>>30269719
Just wait until their HAs are released. Incineroar will be the most popular then.
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>>30278062
I'd say the Litten line has the most character, but Popplio is pretty cool too, though Primarina seems quite a bit blander than its preevos
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>>30270272
Normal people dont use that much buzzwords to describe other people
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>>30278117

do you think owls are fucking quadruped or something
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>>30269719
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>>30270272
Classic liberal, using buzzwords and the "m-my choice is the best guys!" style of thinking. Saying that Incineroar fans browse /pol/ just makes Incineroar cooler.
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>>30270798
This. Why does everyone have to argue over which is the best starter? The best starter is the one you chose.
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>>30272558
no, dutygenerate is not epic.
just like every starter.
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>>30277472
>still liking the tranny dutygenerate.
4u
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>>30276922
Greninja was actually.
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>>30270798
Same here. It's just Decidueyefags that trigger me with their 'superior' opinion
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>>30273714
>>30273640
Gen 2 and 5 are awful. Mono types up the ass and all around boring shitmons.

Art-wise they are O.K
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>>30279269
Having two feet is not what makes Decidueye look anthropomorphic.
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>>30279393
>still forcing this retarded meme
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>>30279701
>Still forcing the degenerate duty.
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>>30273640
>Gen 2 and 5 in the highest tier
Well play, you triggered me, have a (YOU).
gotta admit Serperior and Feraligatr are cool tho
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>>30276922
Froakie wasn't the most popular popular in Amie. Greninja was by a wide margin. The thing in Rowlett's favor is that most people prefer birds to frogs.

If you payed attention to the reveal of the X/Y starters, you'd know that Froakie was one that many people were either indifferent about or had a certain degree of dislike, mostly because, well, it's a frog, and frogs are "icky". Things changed when the second evos were revealed though. Chespin was out of the equation; Braixen was a bit too furbaity for many that wanted it to stay quadrupedal; But Frogadier looked slick enough to be the better option. And then Greninja himself was revealed and everyone and their mother chose Froakie in the most impressively one-sided starter pick since Charizard, with around 62% of people choosing him (Based on Facebook, 4Chan and Twitter polls). The thing is, that momentum was generated sheerly by Greninja. Me and most of my friends hate Frogs themselves, but we all either like or flat out love the guy.

But the Rowlett line has the advantage of:

1) Being a bird, ergo, being more instantly likeable

and

2)Base stage having a simpler, emoji-like structure

Rowlett has the animal advantage, but to put an example, the % of Rowlett picks isn't as much of a landslide as Greninja was, probably because the other two starters didn't seem a bit disappointing to people compared to Chesnaught and Delphox. That being said, i do know that Rowlett will be a big thing in terms of starters. Maybe it'll become the most popular Grass starter. But as it stands, i seriously doubt it will get to Charizard/Greninja levels of popularity.
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>>30276967
>implying
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>>30280737
Greninja wasn't that popular when it was revealed tho.
People tought the scarf tongue was stupid. Really the Greninja hype exploded around the ORAS period with anime + Broken HA + smash bros.

As for Gen VII Decidueye seems to be more popular rightnow but Incineroar seems to be the new chillmon.
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>>30273640
>Gen 5
>Good
>In any possible way
I want Unovabortions to fucking die already.
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>>30280737

I know you're new, but try not to make it so obvious.

Froakie was the most popular from day 1.
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>>30281007
It was popular from the get go.

People only hated it when the leaked image was the only thing people knew Greninja for and the image quality clearly didn't pay it justice. After the official artwork and everything else it became the monster hit it is today, IGN and Dorkly polls in december 2013 prove that (went #1 in both)
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>>30280960
>>30281007

>Greninja wasn't that popular when it was revealed tho.

Yes it was, boyo. Most of the negative reaction came from the early leaks that featured low quality images. When normies saw the official reveal, it was instantly latched onto.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/26/the-best-worst-xy-pokemon-revealed

http://www.dorkly.com/post/57168/toplist-results-the-15-greatest-generation-vi-pokemon/page:5

These polls have millions of votes and were made one month after the game was released. Also, if you check out the official "Which starter did you choose?" polls on Facebook and Twitter that were also made around the time of release, you'd see that Froakie had a huge advantage. So you can have an idea, Greninja had over 500 pixiv submissions only a month after reveal.

>>30281090
Good one, m8.
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>>30281049
kek stay mad
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>>30280737
Decidueye has the geek appeal because it has "glasses" and its personality revolves around acting hardcore but it's easily flustered and embarassed

It's also a ghost, people fucking love ghosts and its often cited as a favorite type, gengar rules a lot of top ten lists

I think its popularity will sit around where Blaziken is, not as beloved as Charizard and Greninja, but not in the bargain bin like gen 5 or gen 2 either, it also depends on how they push it in the anime (if they do at all)
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>people are still falling for threads like these
Seriously, those no one even recognize falseflaggers anymore ?
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>>30281259
>it also depends on how they push it in the anime (if they do at all)

As of this point, i don't think the anime will influence at all unless it's introduced early. I mean, it took Greninja nearly TWO YEARS to appear in the anime, yet he's still one of the most popular pokemon of all time. The only thing the anime did was push a retarded forme that became popular for some godforsaken reason. Unless a similar forme or exclusive move is presented for Decidueye, i doubt the anime will make a big difference.

By the way, isn't the anime performing lousily right now either way?
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>>30281188
You're taking this thread a bit to seriously, mate.
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>>30281305
The starter loyalists seem much easier to anger this time around.
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>>30270049
Mostly because Incineroar is only good in doubles and the thread is only about singles, where Primarina has no gimmick which might get her usage above UU while Decidueye has ghost type + defog.
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>>30281049

(You)
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>>30281407
Nice retort. Sorry for not posting Decidueye porn, or whatever you were expecting.
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>>30271957
It actually would be all over in VGC if it had its HA, but since gamefreak doesn't like to release HAs in a timely manner it'll be cucked out of relevance in VGC this season, and next season Hitmontop will be back which makes Incineroar mostly irrelevant. It'll still see some niche use in 18 if it gets intimidate.

Funnily enough, right now, the only starter that sees any use in VGC is Decidueye, who is used on one of the top teams for sucker punch+ghost Z-move.
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>>30281049
little baby sinnohfetus needs a DiaPer change already?
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>>30269719
>not boxing your starter
>brag about any of this gens garbage starters
Get out.
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>>30281827
STFU Gladion, you're just mad my starter fucked you up.
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Since Smogon-tiers are not really officially recognized by neither TPCi or GameFreak, I think the stats this gen are catered for the doubles VGC meta.

I could be wrong tho, and GameFreak is just literally shit after all.
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>>30281702
underrated comment. All of my kek.
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>>30281827
go play with your pseudo-Arceus, kid
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>>30269719
So putting the memes beside, where do you guys SERIOUSLY think will end up in terms of tiers?
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>>30282900
ru
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>>30283616
Seems reasonable. What about the rest of the starters?
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>>30283770
Incineroar will be UU once his HA is released.
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>>30283798
Is Incineroar seriously the only one of the three that's going to be OU? If that's the case, these are the worst competitive starters since Gen II. Why are they all so lame?
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>>30272269
but I liked grenigger before xyz shat everything up
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>>30270834
me too brother
>there are people who don't have an aryan mc
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>>30283908
no fucking speed and owl is cucked with his movepool
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>>30269810
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>>30283908
Incineroar won't be OU, Arcanine does everything it does better. Decidueye will probably be UU with being a ghost type defogger and other niche. Primarina is UU because even with GF trying their best they couldn't make a Water / Fairy bad.
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>>30284080
>Primarina is UU because even with GF trying their best they couldn't make a Water / Fairy bad.

Kek.
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>>30284063
The sad thing is that...He is viable. Most of us in the higher-tiers love the trapping mechanic he brings since shadowtag is gone. Also he stops rapid spinners.
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>>30269719
Who are both shit
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>>30284080
I didn't know Arcanine got U-turn, one of the best momentum gaining moves in the game.
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>>30269719
it is, but its still shit
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>>30284187
How is Dhelmise performing ?
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>>30284323
Okay, what reason are you gonna give Incineroar U-Turn? How does this make them useful?
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>>30269719
I used all three starters in this game, and while Robin Hoot has the best design he's also the worst starter.

The other two don't get 1/2HKO on switch in, or are you 12 and play with Battle Mode set to Switch OP?
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>>30284481
>projecting this hard
Only sucks because GF decided to give every Pokemon in the late game a dark move and nothing to screw over the other starters.
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>>30270798
>>30270963
>>30271179
>>30272006
>not posting the original
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>>30281220
>>30281484
>>30281702
He's not wrong though, but lmao stay mad cucks
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>>30284607

Trying too hard there, lad.
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>>30284686
The gen 5 starters are fucking awful though, easily the worst as a group.
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>>30284536
Yeah it feels like every trainer in the late game has at least one dark move.

It's typing is also shit, Grass is just a bad type.
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>>30284686
Nah, Gen 5 easily has among the worst designs of the series, this isn't up for debate.
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>>30284862
Yeah grass starters are usually the hard mode starter in-game
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>>30269719
Can you high five it?
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>>30284409
A slow U-Turn can help you switch in the next Pokemon safely.
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>Daddy's Slutty Nerd
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>>30286467
Is it still a high-five if it only has three fingers?
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