ITT we discuss the current nature of OU Pheromosa should be banned

I've gotten so fucked by RNG today that I think Zarel is out there and has it out for me.

>>30237525
I really don't think what should be banned but i think Celessteela gets the ban hammer.

>>30238855
Celesteela isn't overpowered at all
The only overpowered UB is Pheromosa and maybe Xurkitree

When is the Mimikyuu holding Light Ball with Volt Tackle DLC coming out?

Pheremosa is fair and balanced.

>>30238890
I slapped Xurkitree on my full stall team since Talon flame is kill. It's fucking hilarious. Now I can go from full stall to sudden hyper offense, or full stall breaker mode.

>>30237525
>banning a pokemon who dies if you sneeze at it
nah she good m8

>>30237525
>Pheromosa should be banned

>Ratatat used Quick Attack

>>30239002
Literally this. Any strong attack and she explodes.

Things that are definitely getting banned:
Pheromosa
Aegislash
Zygarde-Complete

Things that might get banned eventually:
Greninja (though I honestly doubt it)
Landorus-I
Megearna
Toxapex (please god)

>>30237525
git gud

>>30238934
>>30239002
>>30239097
Is this a meme or are you being serious?

>>30239002
>>30239097

That's why people run her with Tapu Lele. Psychic terrain makes Pheromosa bonkers.

>>30239228
O-oh...

>>30239101
Zygarde is already gone

>>30239166
>M-Pinsir used Quick Attack

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>>30239166
Pic related are the stats.
There are still obvious work arounds.
>Trick room
>Mimikyu + focus sash can get two hits in (Or even set trick room)
>Priority moves when no Tapu Lele is present

>>30239101
Greninja will likely still get banned, it still cucks offense really hard.

>>30239312
>Trick Room and Mimikyu
>viable in OU
>ANY priority user being able to safely switch into Pheromosa

>>30239312
>There are still obvious work arounds.
The thing is, the ones you wrote aren't all viable or have a 100% success rate.

>Trick room
While it is a definite solution, Trick room isn't completely viable for obvious reasons

>Obscure Mimikyu set
Mimikyu with focus sash gets two strikes, but then you are forced onto a focus sash and there are a ton of ways this can fail, such as entry hazards, weather damage, etc.

>Priority without Tapu Lele
This requires outplaying the opponent, which considering they are using two of the strongest pokemon this gen, isn't gonna be easy. Weather wars in gen 5 are a testament to this.

There's also the issue that Pheromosa has such a fast, strong U-turn, that switching in a threat is so difficult considering how slippery it is. While I disagree with many of smogon's bans, I won't disagree if they decide that Pheromosa is too strong.

>>30239413
Ghostium Z Mimikyuu with Swords Dance is pretty fucking brutal.

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>>30237525
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Pheromosa Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Use A-Marowak Like Nigga Lightning Rod Thick Club Haha

>>30239485
please don't waste your Z-move on Mimikyu. There are so many other pokemon that get so much from Z-moves, especially considering that Mimikyu is perfectly happy using life orb.

>>30239523
>Smeargle used Foul Play

>>30239555
>complaining about Pheromosa
>offer solution
>but what about other thing switching in and then attacking
That's nice, hun

>>30239555
>Smeargle

>>30239555
>Switch in to Pheromosa
>SMEARGLEUSEDFOULPLAYOHMEEGEE
Anon please..

>>30239600
Dark void sash lead smear glue is super common, just add foul play.

>>30239523
My issue with Marowak is that it does well against a few pokemon, but it is so easily countered or just beaten by a ton of better pokemon.

>>30239849
That's honestly why I like him, he's basically the anti-meta pokemon. If you aren't running Tapus and UBs and shit then you'll wreck him, if you are then you're going to get absolutely fucked. He had one job and he did it.

>>30239828
So you counter Pheromosa with your suicide lead...

No one would be stupid enough to leave Pheromosa in on a Dark void, let alone start Pheromosa against a dedicated lead.

So I just decided I'd wonder trade a few times and make a new game using eggs from the ones I think could be nice on a team.
Anyway I got palossand, Grimer, mareanie, and minor as my first 4.
Can these guys be made into a serious team, because I really want to make something cool around em?

Tldr; Minor, Muk, Toxapex, Palossand. What can complete the team?

>>30239828
>Dark Void
Smeargle can't use it anymore.

>>30239166
>Magickarp used Splash

>>30237525

Is it better to use Physical or Special Pheromosa?

>>30239097
In the gen where there's strong priority nerfing.
>Topu Lel
>Talonflame a shit
>Topu Lel
>Psychic Terrain in general

Well you could just use Hippowdon + Excadril and cure the Tapu cancer.

Oh wait nevermind enjoy your shitty Pentagon rule.

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>>30238922
Tell me more.

>>30243221
>OU
>pentagon rule

>>30242585
Mixed. It really likes Ice Beam, even with minimum investment.

>>30243221
You dont know what OU is, right?

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>there are people who unironically play postmodern sweeper luckfest when they could be playing Snorlax chess

What do you guys run on Skeeter, I really like his design and stats but holy shit how do I use him? Just like heracross?

>>30243367
1. Bulk Up on physical mons that you know that DON'T carry a Flying type move
2. Leech Life at every opportunity
3. switch IMMEDIATELY if a Flying-type pokemon is in, no matter if Physical or Special.
4. sack him if you have a solution to the rest of the opponent's team

What's the stand on Toxapex? I like Toxapex

>>30243653
Really good, made better because it walls a lot of the top threats.

>>30243677
Thank you

>>30239166
I once was being facetious that if they made a mega pikachu that had 999 attack, 999 sp defense, 999 speed, and 999 sp attack, people would defend it as not being broken because "diglet used mud slap"

It's real life now

>>30243418

Not him, but is he better than heracross?

I go monobug, and heracross used to be the best member of the team, but power creep has hurt him bad and it's getting harder and harder to justify the team slot

>>30243653

Any defensive mon with recover pisses me off, scald just makes it worse. I hate when I get in situations where my attack does something like exactly 49% damage, and they just spam recover like a faggot waiting for a miss

>>30243367
>Skeeter
????

How's Dhelmise? I just checked it's movepool and holy shit it's brilliant

>>30243769
Buzzswole

>>30243806
Gotcha thanks

>>30243804
>checked it's move pool and holy shit it's brilliant
It can only be completely offensive, has no use for Swords Dance as it dies due to speed, and surprisingly doesn't have Shadow Sneak. On par with Decidueye's shittyness.

>>30237525
I got fucked more than Violet in a Shadman pic

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>>30244199
this guy has no offensive presence whatsoever

it's setup bait for anything that doesn't care about burns/poison but i guess you could also use it to bait stuff and double switch thanks to regenerator

>>30244318
>setup bait
A lot of them carry Haze for this exact reason.

>>30244318
>it's setup bait
t. retard who has never faced a Toxapex

>>30244318
>I'm retarded: the post

>>30244199
I once got stalled for 50 turns by this thing...

>>30238890
my minior OHKOd a xukitree with rock slide about an hour ago on battle spot

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So what do you guys think of this thing?

>>30239274
No it's not
And it make sense. It gets no reliable recovery, and the only big thing that really boosts when it goes Complete is it's HP, which leaves it at moderate remaining amount to keep using it. On top of being screwed if you take a huge attack BEFORE you transform it's complete stats are hovering right around base 100. It'll probably sit in OU.

>>30245683
Too frail for Ubers,somewhat OP in OU.I'm thinkink BL for now.

>>30245683
It's a papercut above the rest.

>>30243758
>tons of bulk, gets recover, has regenerator as an ability + leftovers

Of all the new pokemon that seem like they intentionally made to NOT fully realize their intended roles it makes me angry the went so far to make Toxapex the perfect walling pokemon

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>>30245737

>>30245806
This.
>Slow starters, slow pokemon without bulk in general.
>Salazzle can poison anything buit has mediocre sweeper stats.
>Togedemaru gets Iron Barbs with no HP and average defense.
But then there's this asshole with a perfect stalling kit.

>>30244199
>there are people that don't put T-bolt on as many pokemon as possible in gen7

>>30239101
I don't understand the Toxapex hate.
Koko, Circuit Tree are counters unless the former is running a physical set. Fini straight up walls it. Lele is a hard check.

>>30246204
>fairy type
>counter

>>30246238
Are more people using the meme Merciless sets or something?
It has like 65 attack. It's like using a physical set on Sylveon.

>>30246301
65 special attack*
Probably 65 attack too

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>>30245737

>>30246204
Wait explain Fini. I get she can't be statused, but what does she do in return? Toxapex resists both her STABs and even with boosted Water attacks Fini's offenses aren't good enough for Toxapex to simply stall out the 5 turns of terrain and then proceed to toxic her

>>30239828
Smeargle can't learn Dark Void anymore, genius. And it's been nerfed to hell and back anyway.

>>30246301
not many but still there- especially off showdown.

>>30244199

>Tapu Bulu/Lele/Bulu OHKO it with the right set

It's good but not unkillable.

>>30247201
I'm gonna assume one of those bulu was supposed to be koko

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>not one mention of Genesect

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>>30245683
what about:

>kartana + tapu bulu in doubles
>kartana sweeps with the 50% damage bonus from grassy terrain
>bulu tries its best to not get 1-shot and hopefully retaliate
>both of them only share a single weakness (fire)

honestly though STAB Choice Band 180 Attack Leaf Blade with a 50% damage bonus could OHK a lot of mons

>>30245721
but BL is below OU.

>>30244444
Checked

>>30247991
Sounds pretty fun, I've never really played doubles but I was thinking about getting into it this gen.

Bring your own Aegislash.
Do you fuckers want to play pokemon or not?

>>30245683

I have a Kartana with an Impish Nature and 5 IVs (Sp Defense is only 25). Should I reroll or is this fine?

>whoever loses their aegislash first loses: the game
Wake me up when that piece of shit is banned

Z moves are worthless for competitive, right? You power up a single move once. Not worth wasting an actual item slot on right?

>>30245688
Except it's already banned.

>>30245688
This guys right. What the fuck? Z-Complete is shit in ubers. It's not too strong for OU what the fuck

>>30245688
It was banned after a few days, keep up.
Did you even play OU for the couple of days it was there though? It was broken as fuck.

>>30249124
Most of the time yes. There are a few pokémon that appreciates them, like Porygon-Z.
As far as I know no offensive Z-move is viable though.

>>30247790
Cause we all know it's gonna get rebanned.
Gen 6 they let it off the leash to pretty quickly only to get rebanned. The people who stall their way to getting to vote on these things hate wallbreaking U-Turners more than anything.

>>30244444

I am acknowledging the repeating digits in your post number

>>30239101
why do you doubt greninja won't be banned
its only new check is Toxapex and that makes it banworthy

>>30249358
Some are. I've seen Necromza running Darkium-Z with Dark Pulse alot to catch Aegislashes off guard and punish them hard. They have their uses on offensive Pokemon who have moves you bring specifically as counter. And they're pretty useful on some Ultra Beats to get that first +1 stat boost from using a nuke. Mostly they're good for moves on offensive Pokemon that you've specifically brought to counter something your team cant handle or to coincide with an ability.

>>30245683
Has a lot of checks so I'm expecting high OU. I don't think any UBs besides Pheromosa will be banned, but if one did then Kartana is next.

Literally anyone who complains about toxapex I imagine as being

>wwahh s-stop stalling m-me!!!1! I only like it when you conform to my narrow idea of how to play pokemon :(((

>>30246301
Does Merciless send Venoshock together not do lots of damage?

Since bullshitburde got slapped the fuck down, will we see a glorious return of Volcarona?

Ribombee and Ziggydog are headed for UU, aren't they?

>>30249580
It does "ok" damage at best.
Yeah, sure it's like 300 base power, but you'll deal more damage through sheer poison damage.

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> Mfw everyone who uses Pheromosa at my tier is predictable as fuck.
> Mfw I realise despite constant switching to resist obvious attacks, I have nothing to outspeed and kill it.

>>30251322
Talonflame

>>30248431

Priority is nullified with Lele, unless you're the Bravest Bird, which was nerfed beyond usability anyway.

Phero can run Scarf and Sash.

Phero 2HKOs most bulky pokemon aside from Toxapex and Aegislash, the latter of which is getting banned.

>>30248793

Its Sp Def is hot garbage anyway

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Leave OU to me.

>>30249410
Toxapex gets 3HKO'd by Extrasensory, Greninja is fucking supid.

>>30237525
All I want is a genie ban. Fuck those guys. They're too good at too many roles. Bad for team building.

What's the naive life orb build everyone loves for Pheromosa?

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>>30249599
Sandogger is gonna be OU for sure. It has good attack, just enough bulk under Sand to set up, a solid movepool, and pairs beautifully with Excadrill. Bee is just a tad too weak for OU, but it will be phenomenal in whatever tier it ends up in.

>>30252332
Good luck with that speed.

>>30252332
Maybe if Feather Dance dropped Attack three stages instead of two. Owl just doesn't excel at anything.

>>30252332
lol

>>30252482
>>30252528
reminder the top gen7ou player uses a decidueye

>>30244199

So bold 252 hp/def, 6 sp.def. Baneful bunker, toxic, recover, haze with regenerator?

>>30237525
ban all UBS. Send them to ubers.

>>30252457
You are fucking stupid. You think it'll be something like Weavile when it's closer to Floatzel. Ribombee doesn't do anything that Venomoth doesn't do, and Venomoth is RU, so Ribombee realistically, will wind up there or in NU

>>30252575
he uses a dildo too

>>30252646
Fairy>Poison

>>30252709
Keldeo isn't in the game yet tho

>>30252596

The thing about toxapex is that once people figure how to counter its stall strat, you can allways go merciless+toxic+venoshock.

toxapex is very good both defensive and ofensive

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>>30252646
Lycanroc has slightly higher bulk than Floatzel, gets boosted bulk under Sand, better coverage, a stronger STAB attack, and has much better overall weather setters to help support it. If you actually think they're the same Pokemon with different types, you may be retarded. If that doesn't convince you, then why does Kabutops get used over Floatzel on Rain? Maybe because of the typing?

Ribombee is sanic and has better typing, but is more vulnerable to Taunt. It's flavor.

>>30237525
Pheremosa needs to go, and Aegislash needs to stay. I know that's an extremely controversial opinion, but I believe Aegislash has his place. He acts as a blanket check to keep the Cancer Tikis and other major threats in line and allows me to free up slots on my team for more coverage options. You couldn't do this in ORAS because there were so many threats you had to take into account because the meta had no central glue mon like Aegislash. And because of this, the ORAS meta fucking sucked, because you could lose purely by matchup rather than skill due to it being nigh impossible to have all your bases covered with the ridiculous amount of threats in OU.

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>>30252871
>Pheremosa needs to go, and Aegislash needs to stay.
My number one nigger. Anons like to say "But broken shouldn't check broken!", but John T. Gamefreak has given us no other options. It's either every team prepare for the same 'mon, or every team attempt to prepare for 6 all at once.

So how do you use Celesteela?, I got an adamant one with x/31/x/x/31/31, can you use it in an offensive way?, I know it can make use it's attack, but missing out on fire attacks doesn't seem that good, can autotomize even be good?

>>30253035
Leech Seed, Heavy Slam, Flamethrower, filler is the way to go senpai.

>>30245721
Reality check dude Uber can be called BL 0.

BL starts at UU, not enough usage to be OU but shiting on UU is enough to be BL.

Things broken in OU just get out of usage based play hence them becoming Ubers.

>>30238890
Alolan marowak walls xurtkitree

>>30248431
Friendly reminder you need a positive base 95ish to hit a 151 positive base speed mon.

So not anything with a scarf can pull it off.

>>30252796
Compound eyes Sleep Power > Ribombee's nothing

>>30252864
Lycanroc has much worse coverage unless you think Brick Break counts as good coverage

>>30239101
Greninja and Genesect are definitely getting banned

>>30249242
This guy doesn't know of thousand arrows...

>>30253035
I personally use a SubSeed set with Heavy Slam and Flamethrower

>>30244508
>playing on battlespot


hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>30253155
Only one of them beats both Ferrothorn and Gyarados reliably :^)

>>30252395
Lando T, thundy I and Torny T are actually great panic buttons at team building, Lando T and Torny T as pivots and thundy I as wallbreaker/offensive support.

They are not broken nor restrict team building.

>>30245683
It's a great cleaner once you've softened up the opponent's team a bit. I've been running it with a dark z move to catch Aegislash on the switch in once I've softened up the team a bit. After the aegi kill it's easy to sweep through the rest of the team.

>>30253159
Dunno about the frog. It has some real counters now in Alolan Muk and AV Golisopod. Genesect is gonna get b& though.

>>30253516
...neither of them, lyan gets fucked by gyro ball and floatzel gets fucked by power whip

>>30239555
>Trips means it is viable

>>30253632
But Adamant LO Fire Fang kills after pebbles and literally any other prior damage. Floatzel has to roll for Focus Blast if Special or just switch.

I get where you're coming from fampai I do, but at the end of the day, Sand is the best weather in OU right now, which means Lycanroc will be getting the usage.

>>30253073
>>30253469

So a full tank set?, I might make a gimmicky set with my Celesteela anyway, the other one I have is a shitty nature and I don't think Adamant lets me use lamethrower or lame blast to net important KOs, or does it?

>>30252956
Nah. We went over this last gen, the coin flips it permanently forces are just stupid. If it couldn't run special at zero cost and burn actually punished it it'd be fine

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>>30253768
Pokemon is and always has been coinflips you goof.
>My Scarf Tyranitar is at 60% facing a 80% Latios.
>I can click Pursuit and kill if he switches, but if her stays in I die to Surf.
>I can click Crunch and kill if he stays in, but if he switches I do fuck all to his Azumaril and have to switch, possibly costing me the game.
Not to mention there are more than enough Pokemon that are good even without Aegislash around that reasonably check it. Aegis is just like Heatran, but more.

I'm having surprisingly few balancing issues with the new mons when playing Random on Showdown.

Probably because the whole meta is so crazy anyways.

>>30252332
/gimmicks/ here, had fun the other day with a Spirit Shackle/Baton Pass/Swords Dance set. It also helps with Tapu Koko.

>>30253896
>Pokemon is and always has been coinflips you goof.

Not on this magnitude and because of one pokemon.

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>Phermosa vs Toxapex

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How is Biggie Cheese doing competitively?

>>30246204
>Koko, Circuit Tree are counters
Until they're banned at least.

Ive actually been doing good with my hail team so far, never said that in the last 3 gens. Alolan sandslash is a godsend

Also pelipper is hilarious probably my favorite new weather setter

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>>30253976
>Not on this magnitude
Again, not every attack is a contact move. Earthquake is more than prevalent without the sword, as are Special Attacks in general. Hell, once we get Decidueye's HA there's another. And while Aegislash is indeed powerful, it doesn't quite score all the OHKOs it wishes it could, even when holding a LO. This means that even the user is susceptible to the coin toss.
>because of one pokemon.
I'd argue that any powerful mixed Attacker or 'mon with great coverage can force some serious mind games, Infernape and MegaGross being prime examples from two separate tiers.

>>30239002
>>30239097
Better unban Deoxys-A and Deoxys-S too then :^)

>>30239101
>Already Banned
Zygarde
>Extremely likely bans
Pheromosa
Aegislash
Genesect

>Unlikely but still possible bans
Greninja
Landorus-I (Even though Lando T is better)

>Things that should be banned but won't because Smogon circlejerks
Eviolite Chansey
Landorus T
Toxapex
Tapu Lele

>>30254196
He's one of the only Alolans worse than the Kantonian, the other being Dugtrio

>>30254196
Id rather have luvdics on my team

>>30239413
>Mimikyu
>Not viable

Mimikyu's biggest flaw is that people only run one set.
Bulky Mimikyu with Will-O-Wisp, Taunt, Pain Split and Play Rough is amazing.

>>30254406
>Eviolite Chansey
haha how the fuck is this even real haha like nigga use Knock Off haha just use Heracross haha

>>30254369
>Again, not every attack is a contact move. Earthquake is more than prevalent without the sword, as are Special Attacks in general.
No shit. That's not what made Aegislash so bad. It can run a variety of different sets--this, combined with the bulk and mechanics of its ability, make it coinflip after coinflip--especially since it can run Weakness Policy sets quite reliably. Remember that, since it's quite slow, its bulk almost always comes first, something that can be switched to on a dime thanks to King's Shield--a powerful mindgame move for it--or just switching outright.

>I'd argue that any powerful mixed Attacker or 'mon with great coverage can force some serious mind games
You could if you wanted me to stop taking you seriously. Infernape can't suddenly become bulky like Aegislash can (which means no Policy), and Megagross is actually punished by wisp.

>>30245688

It doesn't need "reliable" recovery when it's basically Dragon Chansey.

Reliable Recovery only applies for things that have a low HP stat.

>>30245683

Either will end up UU or BL.

Rather than discussing the unhealthy stuff, let's talk about some stuff that's good! Alolan Marowak is really, really good. Decent bulk, a good support movepool, and one of the few Pokemon blessed with a COMPLETE RESISTANCE to bolt beam. That's pretty incredible, no?

>>30252457
>Sandogger is gonna be OU for sure.
It'll be UU at best. Looks like a weaker Terrakion with no Fighting STAB. Brick Break as coverage? When the later has STAB Close Combat and more Attack? Your high as fuck.

>>30255102
Still slow and most importantly, will lose a major niche when Phermosa is banned. When it goes, so will most of A-Marowak's usage just like Gourgeist's short stint of countering Mega-Mom in the pre-bank meta of XY.

>>30255102
>Rather than discussing the unhealthy stuff, let's talk about some stuff that's good!
I'm having fun with Minior: Shell Smash/ Acrobatics/ Earthquake/ Power Gem. It either dies without doing nothing or sweeps all of the opponent team( M-Venusaur and a SR setter will help doing the latter)

>>30255856
I prefer stone edge over power gem, 150 BP nuke just hits too hard to be ignored at +2

Will Nihilego be OU?

>great special bulk, spA, and speed
>decent typing
>one of the fastest Stealth Rock setters

seems like you could run it either as a suicide lead or a special sweeper

>>30256824
I can honestly see it be popular, but drop once Bank is released. Solid UU.

>>30255730
It's probably the most solid Tapu Koko/Bulu check though, so it still has that going for it.

Sadly it loses to most spinners, but it can't be trapped which does help it.

It'll drop but it's no Gourgeist.

>>30237525
What do you guys think will be the best build for a Jolly Garchomp? Not sure what moves I want to run on this guy.

I legit could see regular Zygarde 50% becoming a problem eventually.

Thousand Arrows is an incredible buff, holy shit.

>>30237525
pheromosa vs Lycanroc day both have focus sashes, who wins? also phermosas attack isnt as dramatically high as everyone makes it out to be and any mon with decent enough bulk can survive it

>>30257099
Garchomp has a bunch of sets he can run, what role do you need him to fill?

With Jolly you can go scarf which is okay, but the most common set with that nature (I'm assuming you are on cartridge and only have one right now) is probably an offensive SR setter with either a Focus Sash or Lum or something.


Garchomp @ Focus Sash
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw

I use that on one of my better performing teams on the ladder right now, still really good and it beats a bunch of leads because of sash.

>>30257195
I was thinking about running him alongside Toxapex as a sort of bulky stall-sweeper duo. The set you posted looks good, but I'm not sure about stealth rock since Toxapex gets Toxic Spikes. Also, why run focus sash and not life orb? Thanks for any tips you can give regarding this - I'm new to competitive battling.

>>30256824

it can be. It's has a nice sweet spot speed, it butchers the relevant tapus, and its fairly specially bulky, and it can't be worn down by toxic. It also has a good movepool as well.

But it's also 4x weak to the most common physical offensive move in the game and it has no reliable means to boost its special attack. I can't say for certain, but it will most likely be one of those UU mons that fufill certain niches in the OU environment so it will be used in OU , but not enough to stay in OU.

It really depends on what move tutors will be in the next game.

>>30254406
>even though Lando-T is better
What is this meme?

>>30257407
The set I posted has SR as it's main purpose, sash guarantees you get it up when you lead it.

You can run Stealth Rock and any variant of Spikes, they stack.

However if this is on cartridge Garchomp can't get SR unless I'm mistaken. (Could very well be).

If you want to run it on stall you could go with Tankchomp which is something like this:

Garchomp (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 248 HP / 168 Def / 92 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Dragon Tail
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast

Replace Stealth Rock with whatever, something like Toxic would work fine, Fire Blast is replaceable too.

>>30249410
It doesn't have access to Gunk Shot right now.

>be me
>friend has 4 pheromosas
>i have 1 toxapex
>i win
Pheromosa can stay in OU