She ruined the games

>>30155333
Stop wasting these delicious repeating digets on your shit opinion.

>>30155333
>Saved*
Ftfy champ

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>>30155768
/thread

She did, and waifufags will defend her endlessly.

>>30155333
I'm halfway through the second island and really dont like her.

>>30155333
I liked her desu. She was cute.

Only problem is that the cutscenes are nearly unbearable in the first island. I can tolerate everything afterwards but that shit was fucking stupid in the beginning.

>>30155333
>:<

>>30156126
at least it wasn't bad during the ending, IE where it truly matters

>>30156146
Lillie should've been ugly.

why the fuck didnt she defend cosmog herself at the beginning of the game if she hates seeing pokemon get hurt so much

>>30156515
Go away Lusamine

>boy, I sure am useless

Then CATCH A FUCKING POKEMON AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFE

>>30158105
That's exactly what she do at the end. But that is, at the end.

>>30157781
Because she's afraid, moron.

Do you people not pay attention to the games you play? Seems like all you all do is complain about shit.

>>30155333
This

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>>30155333

Can you date her?

>>30157781
Come one, look at her. She escaped from her family and barely knows what she is doing. She trust on you because she was desperate.

>>30158285
she left to Kanto in the end.
Im guessing no.

>nothing but admiration and care for MC
>subtle hints
>"I'M GOING TO KANTO NOW BYE"
Does Gamefreak not know how to write romance

>>30158285
In my mind I can

>>30158285
Spoilers from here
just before credits She say good bye to you for moving to Kanto for help her mother and help herself. So you can't see her again after beat the game

>>30158325
>romance
>in a game meant for 11 year olds
I'm just happy we got a basically-anime perfect waifu character. Now what will break my heart is if she's in the next games and doesn't remember us at all.

>>30158285
You're both 11 and GF has stated repeatedly that they're not going the whole 9 yards with romance
>>30158325
You're never going to get anything other than subtle hints in GF's games when it comes to romance.

>>30155333
Forced generic waifu.

>>30158324
Kuso game

>yfw pokemon stars is released and it's pretty much the same game except you can go to kanto with her in the end

>>30155834
You have to give it up to GameFreak though. They knew that even if they made a game with...

>Way too much talking
>a linear region
>a postgame battle facility that is basically a poor man's Battle Tower with a poor man's PWT trainer roster
>no trainer rematches

...that people on the internet would STILL think these games are GOTY as long as there is a decently written waifu in them. Game Freak are fucking geniuses.

>>30155333
She definitely puts a damper on the experience. I don't appreciate GF forcing their newest waifu on me.

>>30157781
The boy has to protect the heroine

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>>30158374
>in a game meant for 11 year olds
Cartoons for the past few years have had love triangles and lesbian couples, so I'm pretty sure some romace isn't going to destroy their ESRB rating

>>30158427
Why is "linear region" always a complaint? There were three "nonlinear" games and they barely even deviated from the railroad you're strapped to.

>>30155333
nah she's fine. Also cute and wears a short skirt to boot

>>30158406
That's would be very nice. But looks weird at the same time. I mean, you just became in the first champion, and then you leave the region?
And don't be the same if she appear in a totally new game, she only have eyes for S/M MC

>>30158378
AROUND 11

I liked Lillie because even though the game was about her, she didn't feel that forced. She entered the story organically and her character arc and growth was observable and well executed.

I would have just liked three things.

1) Instead of showing Lillie escaping from Aether IMMEDIATELY after you create your character, why not have that reveal later? I mean I'm pretty sure everyone predicted Aether was evil but did that really have to be there, given away so early? It just felt out of place, too.

2) Have Lillie decide to become a trainer earlier, like maybe she can catch her first Pokemon on Poni Island or something instead of being absolute dead weight all the way. Instead of that one Yungoos belonging to that random Aether House kid, why couldn't it have been Lillie's? And then you have to get it back for her, etc. It would have helped to have her take a step forward a little earlier.

3) Have Lillie come back in the postgame, maybe as a Title Defense match unlocked only after you beat Red/Blue in the Battle Tree with a full team of Level 80 Kantomons or something to show that time has passed and she's gotten stronger like you have. It would give some resolution to all that shit.

>serena whines and never changes
>lillie whines but decides to do better for herself

>>30158219
Inferior Lillie never happened.

>>30158427
Actually, there's game that have post game?
I only know a fews

>>30158325
She's leaving to make herself worthy of you. Happens all the time in romance stuff, distance makes the heart grow fonder and all

>>30158481
>asks why "linear region" is a complaint
>proceeds to admit there are 3 nonlinear Pokemon games already

Oh, I don't know, maybe because some of us kind of like to do things our own way? Explore routes in a different order, battle gym leaders in different orders, maybe battle some trainers for some EXP before battling a gym leader. Stuff like that.

>>30156126
>She was cute.

That's all it takes for a female character to be likeable to you faggots.

>>30158623

If they let you do that you would just bitch the games were easy because you can level grind on people you weren't supposed to fight. You people just bitch no matter what, and you will never be happy, because these games are made for 10 year olds which you are not.

At least the games were good.

>>30158674
t. Zinniafag

>>30158528
>Lillie
>not forced

>almost die early in game because of a girl

Only waifumons deserve my dick

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>>30158599
>Gamefreak being smart enough to do this

>when Lillie change her look, she seems a bit taller than you
Is Lillie older than you?

>>30158623
Reread that comment, the "nonlinear" games barely change much and in GSC it completely fucks the level curve in the ass.

Honestly if you want a nonlinear game go play something else.

>>30158797

It is more that she is white and you are a tiny asian.

>>30158797
Girls grow quicker than dudes up until guys start puberty.

>>30158751
>tfw Zinnia is a pokemon trainer in a Pokemon game

>>30158528
>organically

Is this a new buzzword for making your bullshit sound more credible?

Lillie is a perfect TEN!

wew

>>30158481
I don't even care about the game having a non-linear plotline anymore (the best Johto hacks I've played have locked you out of either Olivine/Cianwood or Mahogany until you beat the other for a more linear level curve), but I need room to breathe regarding the in-game playthrough. I'm fine only having one real path to go down if they don't hold my hand every step of the way.

Sun and Moon holds your hand every step of the way. Everything about these games are better than XY except the cutscenes and railroading (not that those were that good in XY), and they hurt the games so much.

Lillie is the fucking worst, and I haven't seen any defense of her other than "she's cute," and I can get cute anime girls from almost any video game from Japan.

>>30158506
>you just became in the first champion, and then you leave the region?

To play devil's advocate, that's exactly what you do in Gen 2 and its remakes, and Red clearly didn't stick around Kanto when he became Champion.

>>30155333
She was the best part.

>>30158935
>cutscenes
That is a very valid complaint. Same with Lillie, though it's nice to see Gamefreak trying something more with character development even if it's generic as fuck.

They could've handled Lillie better too, I think.

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>>30158528
>I liked Lillie because even though the game was about her, she didn't feel that forced.

>>30159062
Not him, but define forced. Is something really forced on you if you welcome it?

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>>30158983
Lillie's writing isn't bad and I like characters growing, it's just that she's constantly forced upon you that makes me hate her. She's not like Zinnia where her characterization is what makes me hate her, it's just that I can't get away from her, every aspect of the game conspires to keep you within five feet of her at all times.

The worst thing so far in my playthrough was when you're forced to go to the library with her. You can't go to Route 10 because Skull grunts are blocking the bus stop (even though there's no logical reason for that to stop the bus from appearing), so you go to the library and nothing fucking happens beyond an empty cutscene, and then when you go back to Route 10 the Grunts are STILL THERE, doing exactly what they were doing before with no difference other than the game saying "okay, you've filled out your mandatory Lillie quota for this area, now you can progress with the game and battle them." It's the worst, the game is almost holding itself hostage to force you to spend time with Lillie, the entire universe bowing to her whims of you protecting her against your will.

>>30159125
Unnatural roadblocks aren't new desu

>>30158795
>GF smart enough story about a crazy mother who disowns her kids and tries to kill Cosmog to summon the UBs.
>GF not being smart enough to make a basic love story

>>30159195
They aren't new, but they're worse than ever here.

I adamantly stood by the idea that Game Freak needs HMs to make a semi-competent region, because of the way roadblocks got worse in Gen 5 and 6 when they became optional, but then they brought back HMs via the Ride Pager and the roadblocks got even WORSE so it throws my theory out the window. Maybe Game Freak are just bad devs (as shocking as a claim like that might be).

>>30158935
This desu.

>>30159125
>the game is almost holding itself hostage to force you to spend time with Lillie

hahahahaha this.

>>30159266
I can agree with that. And yes, Gamefreak are shit devs who coincidentally hit a goldmine.

>>30157781
I thought it was pretty stupid, too. She was just going to watch Cosmog get pecked to death because she was scared? And she wanted the first stranger that came along to risk themselves to cross that rickety bridge and save her pokemon. It was ridiculous and just there to make male players feel good about helping the female character.

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>>30155333

You fags simply must find shit to hate on right?

>>30158460
Pokemon is made by Japanese. They don't do tokenism.

>>30159355
I don't go out of my way to hate things. If I hate something it's because it goes against my personal tastes. There are things in SM I like a lot, definitely more things than XY, but the flaws that it has have been dragging the game down so much for me, and the nonstop cutscenes, especially the ones with Lillie (I haven't gotten far enough for Lillie to confront Team Aether directly so she has had literally ZERO influence on the plot besides forcing you to go to places for no reason other than her wanting you to go there and almost getting you killed at the start of the game), have been the largest problem.

>>30155333
Yes.

>>30159266
>worse than ever
Wasn't there a roadblock in 5 or 6 that was just a bunch of random NPCs that said "yeah, we're here for no reason, come back later"?

>>30159721
Yes, there were, and I hate those. The roadblock in XY where the Team Flare grunt at the Kalos Badlands tells you "come back when you have four badges" is the worst individual roadblock in the series. SM's roadblocks as a whole are worse than BW's or XY's as a whole by the sheer volume of them, though.

>>30158316
Hey, do you love her yet? No? Here's another 50 cutscenes where you have to help her. Please love Lillie guys, she's so moe~

>>30155333
she is actually a really cute character, and i am not usually one to admit that.

>>30159721
Yeah, it was just some people hanging around standing on gen 5.
Pretty much self-awareness, the roadblock.

>>30158528
But she feels forced. You dont explore Route 3 because you want to continue your journey, but because you have to find Lillie.

This sort of thing continuously happens. Where Lillie is your motivation for things that never needed them in the first place

>>30158677
>/vp/ is one person

>>30159926
Lillie is my motivation
I do it for her

>>30159938
It's depressing that GF is pandering so hard to degenerates like you.

>>30159125
This, entirely

>>30159355
Why is /vp/ filled with people ready to cry when people disagree with them?

>>30159980
You just disagree to be different and special

>>30159997
Only 14 year olds think people only have different opinions just to mess with them. This isnt Reddit, people will not like what you like

/vp/ is suddenly filled with people who cant imagine someone liking or hating the game without being a shill or shitposter

>>30159997
>be different and special on an anonymous imageboard

If I wanted to feel special I'd become a tripfag and post in as many threads as possible.

>>30159997
No, you're the one disagreeing to be different and special.

I can do that too.

She annoyed me at first by being blatant waifubait and pulling me into cutscenes every time she got lost (which was every 5 minutes at the beginning of the game) but in the end I think she was a decently written character and I liked seeing her stand up to her mom

>>30155333
She should have been a trainer who starts weak but by the end goes full Smogon because you gave her confidence

You battle her before you catch the legendary and she uses it with her team

>>30155333
She is one of the best pokegirls in ages. Literally ended bw/bw2 female mcs and xy female mc,even the s/m one

>>30158325
This sort of arc is fairly typical for their romance stories.

I NEED TO GO ON A JOURNEY OF MY OWN AND BECOME A WOMAN MORE WORTHY OF YOUR LOVE HUSBANDO-KUN is a really common ending.

She helps the Max Repel creators in business.

I would like a game with her as the playable MC. A non-silent protag sounds cool.

>>30158599
>Riding the Kanto cock carousel
>More worthy of you

>>30160983
Is XV flopping too?

>>30161022
And straight females be damned... thanks for nothing, GF.

>>30161112

>not wanting doujins of Lillie turning into a degenerate slut in Kanto

>>30158677
Actually no I wouldn't because one of those games that do that is my favorite in the series, so you can fuck off with your assumptions.

>>30160983
Alright, can someone just tell me what's wrong with FFXV all of a sudden?

>>30161183
>wanting your waifu to fuck other people

>>30161330

Do you mean the shit one with horrible pacing?
Yeah OK.

>>30158812
They don't have to change much. Just giving the options of what I said are a pro for a game overall.

>Honestly if you want a nonlinear game go play something else.

Honestly if people criticizing a game you like hurts your feelings go somewhere else.

>>30158797
I noticed that too. I thought she was just wearing heels, but the camera never got a good enough angle to see.

>>30161372
No, my favorite game is not Sun and Moon. Guess again.

I hated Lillie through the whole game. Not going to argue that she didn't get tons of character growth because she did, I just hated both characters she ended up being.

She forces you to follow her around and inserts herself into your life no mater what you say. Forces you to protect her and take care of her when she goes into areas she shouldn't be and they don’t allow you to be until you complete certain trails because you can't defend yourself. Lillie the pokemonless girl who is completely helpless the entire game? Nope go right ahead! Oh you need to be escorted because you made a poor decision and can't handle it?

Nebby, I found ugly, annoying and a huge plot device but a good half of my hate there is personal opinion.

Even when she does decide to stand up for herself nothing changes. She still isn’t a trainer, she just yells at her mom, which considering how whako her mom is that is fairly brave. But she doesn't do anything to being her back really. She relies on you and everyone else to do everything for her. I guess that is my biggest gripe. If you want to go save your mom and protect Nebby do it then! Become a trainer and do it. You don’t like seeing pokemon get hurt? Why do you watch all my battles and Hau's battled then? Your own pokemon are getting hurt because you have no means or will to defend it. It is ok if MC battles and saves me though, that is fine. Good work being a huge hypocrite there Lillie.

Also her giving away Nebby at the end really was the moment that cemented her as a horrible person. You are giving up your best friend to someone else because you can't give it the battles it craves? It wants to be with you and nope, you can't handle that. It was just a slap in the face almost. Oh, but make sure you use Nebby in your party! Make sure you do what Lusamine accused you of doing, abandoning one of your pokemon that stood by you all this time and worked so hard on all the trials and Kahunas for this shiny new pokemon.
Fuck you.

>why didn't Lillie save Cosmog from the Spearows
Did you miss the fact that she is terrified of heights? They even have a long cut-scene (HURR DURR FORCED CUT SCENE AM RITE) about her crossing the bridge.

>>30161615
Too scared to even try to save her friend that risked it's life to save you earlier. Got it.

>>30161614
Lillie gave you Nebby because she didn't want to depend on a legendary during her journey in Kanto. If anything, they should just have changed the order of the events and have her give it to you before she left, saying something along the lines of "The legendary Pokemon of Alola belongs in Alola and I don't want to depend on it in my journey in Kanto" Would have been more fitting and would have made her final farewell more touching. Hope they change it in Stars.

>>30161691
She believed herself to be completely worthless and unable to do anything. If you didn't appear, I bet she would have tried to do it herself and then passed out before even giving a step on the bridge.

>>30161614
But Nebby actually likes you.

>>30161709
This is a decent compromise.

>>30161615
>>30161768
>this is SM's main heroine

And then people think that hating on SM is a meme. Sorry for not liking a stick in the mud lead.

>>30160983
Does /vp/ even like Pokemon as a series? Seems like everybody hates everything and just wants to complain.

>>30161875
She is overwhelmingly the most popular NPC in Japan and most weebs and Tumblrinas like her so I'm in no particular hurry to defend her. Hate her all you want.

>>30161112
>Kanto cock carousel
10/10

>>30161709
I thought she did say that. Or something like "Nebby wants to stay and explore Alola and also belongs here".

>>30161112
wtf is a cock carousel

>>30161910
>Japan and most weebs and Tumblrinas

What an amazing fanbase.

>>30161901
People are harder on the things they love.

>>30158427
THIS

Waifu fags are fucking retarded manchildren

>>30161709
Stars won't be a thing, stop already.

>>30161957
I mean the order of the events, Anon is complaining that she is basically guilt tripping you into taking Nebby to the League and I'm saying that they should have changed the order of events so that she didn't give it to you until before the credits.

>>30161997
"Stars"? No. A third version? Yes. Stop being in denial. Eurogamer is a legit site, not some e-celeb.

>>30161967
It's bigger than /vp/. For all of the complaining we do, we're undoubtedly in the minority so Gamefreak doesn't give a shit. The trend will continue and /vp/ will keep complaining until we all have an aneurysm.
>>30161964
cuck maymays. I want NTRfags to leave. Or better yet, kill themselves in general. Shittiest fetish.

>Stars will have more Lillie content
>she will be forced into the Kanto sequel/remakes
>they will make her do cameos constantly like Cynthia and Looker
What a time to be alive.

>>30162044
They have to take into consideration the fact that the kids who play the game want the dank dimension-hopping legendary right in front of them. If you couldn't get it until after the E4 I'm sure a lot of people would get pissed.

And you know Gamefreak, they must keep the kids and their short attention spans happy.

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>>30158427
>...that people on the internet would STILL think these games are GOTY as long as there is a decently written waifu in them. Game Freak are fucking geniuses.
Already lost Fire Emblem to those retarded faggots and now Pokemon is going down the same shithole.

>>30161964
It means she fucks a bunch of people.

>>30158481

There's a difference between a few forks in the road that all lead to the same place, and a bunch of Sudowoodo/Stoutlands/Trial Captain Helpers/Quest NPCs that won't let you move in anything but a straight line.

For example I can't think of any reason why you can't do Sophocles or Acerola's captain trials out of order on Isle 3.

>Gen 8 will have supports/social links/some equivalent
Can't wait.

>>30162133
Keep crying. I'm sure someone will come and wipe those delicious tears off your face.

>>30162222
>it will also have social links among your Pokemon and you need to level them up if you want them to breed together

>>30161768
Yet she was brave enough to steal Nebby and try to escape a few months ago.

>>30162334
But that had nothing to do with heights.

>>30158797
Superior Aryan genes vs subhuman Kanto genes

>>30155333
But she's my waifu OP!

>>30162386
But she was somewhat brave. You don’t know she is afraid of heights there. You see some girl who is being a horrible trainer by leaving their pokemon out there to be pecked to death unless you stumbled along.

>>30162591
They could have written the scene a bit better, but I think the idea was to make Lillie infatuated with MC and showcase MC (specially male MC) as some sort of reliable and brave guy. I remember watching an interview a while back that basically explains the reason why they forced so many cutscenes with Lillie and you but in a way they failed by still making MC a total blank state. They mentioned that the MC was supposed to have sort of an established personality and it's clear that they intended to make him canonically have a crush on Lillie but they didn't show it very well due to the whole "blank, empty face" thing. They should have handled it at least as well as Persona does, the protagonist might be a blank state but he clearly emotes.

>>30162756

I found the blank-faced MC absolutely hilarious.

>>30161910
Japan supports entire series just because of shitty waifus. That doesn't make the character good.

>>30162244
They'll be too busy wiping the sweat off Lillie's feet

>>30162858
But there are times when he is clearly meant to emote yet he doesn't. Like when he is staring at the floor after Lillie left and his mom comes to cheer him up yet his face is still as blank as ever.

>>30161351
Conan O'Brien

>>30162881
Japan knows that cute waifus are the most important thing in trying to sell anything. When will shitty western audiences learn?

>>30162982

Yeah I like to believe that the MC is an unfeeling sociopath and he really just stands there while people are losing their shit around him. Like Ryu Hayabusa in Ninja Gaiden, where he stands like a statue while hot chicks rub themselves against him and the most emotion he ever displays is when it zooms in on his eyes like a kung fu movie.

It adds a lot to the game.

>>30163018
The talk show host?

I want to marry Lillie and have babies with her

>>30163041
When will weebs learn pokemon is popular internationally and not just japan?

She improved the games

>>30163110
When will non japs learn that their opinion is irrelevant to GF?

>>30162982
thanks gamefreak

>>30158795
Willing enough*

Lillie does nothing throughout the game but remind you she's cute. If you aren't a fan of that moe crap, chances are you won't enjoy her character.

>>30158568
G/S/C and it's remakes, Fire Red and Leaf Green (them fucking sevii islands), and all Gen 4 games have excellent postgames.
Emerald also had the frontier which was fun until you realized you need to fight against RNG to get anywhere.
OR/AS had a decent postgame but it just wasn't enough.
B2/W2 had the world tournament which was cool.

Lillie was a compromise because you could tell they wanted a more involved story, but at the same time self-insertion is such a big part of these games so they have little choice other than to make your character a blank slate.

So you have your own story, with enough wiggle room that kids/manbabbys can imagine whatever plotline for their dude that they want, while having this deuteragonist who has a deeper plotline that is entwined with yours. I think it works. Really, I just wish they had made her a trainer earlier.

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>>30163199
100% this

>>30158506
you become the first champion of a league that has just recently been built, it's not like it actually matters

>>30163165
This is true to a certain extent in that there will not be any gay shit or muh trannies political issues in Pokemon but GF doesn't recognize international audience with their character customized and having gen 7 take place in a region with a lot of colored people.

>>30163089
Mudsdale get out.

>>30163199
I think it worked out well. Trials were a nice break from gyms but they just are t as challenging. To me anyway

>>30163199
>So you have your own story
No you don't. The entire game is just Lillie's story.

>>30163348

You have your whole island trial shit, faggot, stop lying.

>>30163316
are not*

>>30163348
Stale meme

>>30163376
The island trials are completely meaningless. They're not the single bit relevant to the plot.

>>30161162
>And straight females be damned... thanks for nothing, GF.
You get dates with Ilima and Guzma plus it's pretty easy to ship Chicken-chan with Gladion

>>30163394
>>30163376
>falling for a false flagger
i'm not sure who's more retarded

>>30163394

They are relevant to your plot, retard.
That's like saying all the gym leader/pokemon league stuff in every pokemon game is meaningless and only the saving the world shit matters. You can still have a plot, a story, a journey, an experience, that doesn't involve your character being Jesus and singlehandedly doing everything.

>>30163199
She never officially even becomes a trainer. She gives up Nebby and leaves to go to Kanto. Does she even say she will be a trainer? It was only to go help her mom with Bill wasn't it?

>>30163456
You don't have a plot. SM's story is entirely about Lillie and her family and their shit with the Ultra Beasts. The trials contribute nothing to the plot.

>That's like saying the pokemon league stuff in every game is meaningless.
Except not, because in those games, you are the protagonist, and the main goal of the games is to become the best trainer and win the league. Evil teams are a side distraction. Things are the opposite in SM.

>>30163376
The only reason you did half the trials was so you could escort Lillie.

>>30161162
Percentage wise what is gender ratio that plays Pokemon.

>>30163479
She explicitly says she is going to become a real trainer in Kanto.

>>30163445
>"Get out."
>Proceed to walk to his bed.
>Realize I can't lay in it like literally every single other bed.
WHY.

>>30163517

Do you even know what a plot is? You have a plot, the plot is doing the island challenge. Lillie's plot is also a part of your plot. It's two plots that converge regularly to form a single one that is experienced from your character's viewpoint.

>>30163553
Hm, must have missed that. I thought it was just to get her mom fixed or at least try.

>The next game is Kanto sequels red and green 2.
>teenage player charactera
>run into teenage Lillie on her journey
Muh dick

>>30163597
Do you even know what people mean when they say plot? They don't mean the shitty little irrelevant side missions. The game's plot is about Lillie. Lille isn't part of 'your plot'. You're her servant in her plot.

The real problem with SM is that there aren't more scenes of Gladion and Hau passive aggressively shitting on each other's personalities.

>>30163679
>she tells you she has someone waiting for her back home
>yfw

>>30163540
Everyone on the internet is a little girl. Don't like anyone who says otherwise fool you.

>>30163686

No retard, the plot is that you are doing the island challenge. Lillie has her own plot, which is part of your plot, because your character is the one who takes action in those events despite them being more important to Lillie.

By your logic The Three Musketeers is actually about Queen Marie Antoinette because half the book is about the Musketeers doing shit for her, or the main character in The Lord of the Rings is actually the One Ring.

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She's the best thing to come out of a main Pokemon game yet
Suck my dick

>>30163687
>"come on now cousin cheer up. no need to be so down all of the time. here have some pancakes"
>"fuck off"

i think that covers most of their potential interaction

>>30163686
The plot could have been about a young boy from Kanto doing the trials as a passing of age ceremony and becoming a man (while helping Lillie grow up and become a good woman) if they weren't forced to make you brutally emotionless self-insert. Persona 4 and 5 have self-insert MCs yet they still have their unique personalities. GF PLS.

>>30162756
>showcase MC (specially male MC) as some sort of reliable and brave guy
This worked for me actually, the MC came across to me as someone who was competent and reliable but who just gave zero fucks about anything and was content to be pointed at an objective by whoever was around

>>30163780
How do you have self-inserts with their own personalities? Self-inserts are meant to be completely controlled by the character in everything they do or in how they act, aren't they? Like in Mass Effect. If they have pre-existing backstory or a predefined personality they're not really a SI.

>>30163764
No. The plot is about Lillie and her family. Consider that the majority of the game is taken up by cutscenes involving Lillie or doing something for/with Lillie or dealing with Aether for Lillie.

>>30163780
Nobody forced them. Nobody forced them to make such a plot focused game either. Any and everything is on their heads.

>>30163813
The second part is right, but not the first. All of the protags have backstories, just really basic and bland ones.

It's sad though considering the reactions here. GF can be so lazy and incompetent with their stuff but shove them a waifu and they'd be fine.

>>30163597
>Lillie's plot is also a part of your plot.

if you played the game anon , you will notice how the entire game it's limited to lillie's actions tapus and becoming the first champion are side things

becoming champion and get gym badges was relevant in older games because that demostrated your experience in pokemon battles.

>>30163813
Link from WW is incredibly expressive.

>>30155333
At least she was better then the gen 6 gang

>>30163813
Yuu from Persona 4 is a self-insert with a well-defined personality that constantly emotes in cut-scenes. Potter-kun from P5 is the same.

>>30163878
Literally the only thing wrong with Sun and Moon are the low encounter rates.

>>30163878
You're free not to buy it. Or pirate it. Whatever. The way I figure it is that Gamefreak will likely never release something that I find completely perfect so I'll just try out the games before buying them. If I like them, then fine but otherwise no money from me.

>>30163445
Do you really? I played as the male and I really don't feel like playing the game over again as a female to find out for at least the next month.

>>30163879
>becoming champion and get gym badges was relevant in older games because that demostrated your experience in pokemon battles.

So in Sun/Moon becoming the first champion of Alola ever and overcoming all the trials doesn't demonstrate your experience in Pokemon battles? You aren't making any sense here. It's basically the same shit as gyms. So if conquering all the trials and the E4 doesn't demonstrate your character's growth here, then it never did in any game.

It sounds like the only reason you think your character has no journey, is because for once there are events happening that aren't about you. These things don't detract from your characters growth.

It's amazing how you faggots who complain Lillie stole your plot or whatever don't understand that YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO IMAGINE YOUR CHARACTER'S PLOT, the foundation is there for you with the island trials, but since your character is a self-insert you are supposed to fill in the blanks with your own imagination. Meanwhile Lillie has a more complex story because Lillie's story has all these themes of family that wouldn't work because your dude is a blank slate.

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I prefer my main characters to have a defined personality. I can't really "roleplay" their attitude and talk to myself pretending I'm them. I'd rather play a developing character with their own quirks and stuff.
Obviously that's really impossible in Pokemon with how it's structured so the best you can do is just have the main character make a facial expression every so often depending on the situation.

>>30164056
I will never not find it funny that the MC in SM never stops smiling.

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>>30163540
I haven't found the SM demographics yet (if there's any).

>>30163962
>not SOS
>not the cumbersome menu
>not the wasted ui
>not the cutscene overload after every turn

>>30161901
>Does /vp/ even like Pokemon as a series?

People are complaining about the most recent games in the series, not the series as a whole. I love the older Castlevania games but few people will defend newer trash like Castlevania Judgment.

Sun and Moon aren't as bad as Judgment, but you get the idea.

>>30164056
>so the best you can do is just have the main character make a facial expression every so often depending on the situation.

And outside of cutscenes they didn't even do this.

>>30164101

It's more like /vp/ bitches about everything but Gen1/2 which they only liked because they were 10 at the time.

>>30164101
Yeah, I just fell for the generalization meme.

>>30164126
Are we in the same /vp/? /vp/ bitches about fucking everything including gen 1 and 2. Gen 1 pandering gets called out all the damn time and gen 2 gets lambasted for its shit leveling curve.

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>>30164086
>Lusamine literally going crazy and disowns her daughter
>Lillie calls her horrible
>MC is just smiling in the back like a retard

>>30164091
>SOS
SOS itself is fine, SOS only pokemon aren't.
>everything else
Whiny bitch.

>>30164126
I can't speak for the whole board but I like almost everything from Gen 1-5. Not every game from Gen 1-5 was good, but as a whole they were better, and Gen 6 was a major change in quality (though some of the bad aspects of Gen 6/7 started with 5).

/vr/ is the board that hates everything but Gen 1 and 2, because Gen 1 and 2 are the only games allowed to be discussed on /vr/.

>>30164056
>Redgy

>>30164126
"We" hate everything, but not at the same time.

>>30164164
SOS itself isn't fine when the older shit did their things much better.

>he is willing to let go of QoL and functionality because waifu

>>30164171
>Eyes shaded to protect from the hot alolan sun makes him edgy now.
Go back to watching toddler cartoons.

>>30163962
The lack of new pokemon.

>>30164019
>Ignores my post to whine at some other anon's points

>>30163769
Do you have ANY reasoning for thinking that besides "she's cute?"

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Considering how hard they're trying to pander to genwunners, what are the odds of a RBY remake where you're just left on your own to catch Pokemon and become the champion?

I've been selling my Pokemon games and the most valuable one that I had was FireRed, sold it for a little fortune even though my country is a shithole.

The audience is there I think.

remind you guys that this board loved garbage that is Delta episode because it had that nigger Zinnia

>>30164258
Gen 4 and 5 get shit on constantly. I'd actually argue gen 2 and 3 are the least shit on.

>>30164276
I skipped ORAS but nowadays it seems like most people shit on her.

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So now that we know all the nuances with the other characters in the story, who is the best main character?

>>30164231
She has more character developement than anyone else in 20 years
Best story so far.
AND she's cute.

>>30164231
She is funny, her story is interesting, she has the most character development in Pokemon game history.

>>30164276
But Zinnia was the villain of the delta episode and was revealed to have caused everything that went wrong in the game by misleading Archie/Maxie

Did anyone actually like Zinnia for anything other than her cool design?

>>30164351
>She is funny

Does she ever say anything funny? She seems to just mope about how useless she is.

>>30164379
porn
>>30164320
>>30164351
She's a really mediocre character, actually. She just looks good in terms of Pokemon characters because Pokemon has fuck all for development that's what I think anyway

>>30164258
XY I give free pass because it's their first jump to 3D and honestly has so many QoL stuff and great Pokemon. Most of the shitting on XY are difficulty and story.

ORAS tho...

>>30164379
you weren't here for Zinnia threads that keep popping huh

>>30155333
She was one of the only things NPC wise that were tolerable.

>>30164276
>>30164416
>this board

It's one guy. His posting style is the same in every thread, it's unmistakably one guy, and he's a shameless waifufag (who really, really hates Steven Stone, claiming Devon are the real villains of SM).

>>30164462
>calling the guy who hates Lillie a waifufag

>>30163769
That part in Exeggutor island was so tense.

>>30164386
Yes she does. She does goofy things from time to time, like pretend to be you when she is alone with Nebby, imitate Kukui or even make a weird dick joke about Alola Exeggutor after she gets her redesign.

>>30164148
>first encounter with Gladion
>he ask you if you are [your name]
>just smile and say "Who?"
I kek'd in that part.

>>30164511
>make a weird dick joke about Alola Exeggutor
What was it? I don't remember it.

>>30164491
Does Zinniafag hate Lillie? Even if he does, that doesn't make him not a waifufag, he just dislikes characters that aren't his waifu.

>>30164551
About how they grow more vigorously than she would like before putting a shocked face and starting to giggle.

>>30158771
>>30158905
>>30159062

Wow, great arguments.

>>30164577
I was that guy anon

you quoted me right but a) never made threads about this and b) not really into waifus or whatever, but Lillie is symptomatic

my posts are >>30164416 >>30164276 >>30163878

>>30164597
That's not a dick joke. That's her complaining about the climate a little bit to play off getting scared by the Alolan Exeggutor. A very innocent joke.

>>30164608
Oh, no, I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the guy that loves Zinnia, I don't think he's in that thread.

I was just saying that the board didn't like Zinnia, only one guy did. There seem to be more people that like Lillie than Zinnia.

The protagonist is autistic
She is autistic
It is a perfect match

>Do your mom choose your cloths?
YES!

So I've been taking my time and haven't fully gotten through the plot of the game yet, but does her dislike of pokemon battling ever become anything other than an informed trait? Because both times she mentions it on the tutorial island she just seems to mention it briefly before going "But I guess it's okay because it's you and Hau doing it" and watching you battle anyway.

>>30164829
They explain why she hates battling and the reason that she used to dislike trainers before meeting you but she never really gets in your way.

>>30164829
>does her dislike of pokemon battling ever become anything other than an informed trait?

No.
It's just to give you a role in her plot.

Lillie was blatantly designed to appeal to Japan. I love her, but it's true. Or maybe she wasn't even designed to specifically appeal to Japan but rather she is the embodiment of the GF scenario writers ideal waifu and them being Japanese made her a perfect character for Japan's sensibilities. Either way, she is blatantly a "western who?" character.

>>30155333
She was the only reason i continued on through the games.

>>30165409

I am so western I am wearing a cowboy hat and a six shooter right now and I enjoyed Lillie.

>>30165447
You're on a weeaboo website. You're the kind of person with a taste for Japanese media and culture to an unusual degree. Even if that's cut with an interest in western properties, your tastes are going to be more similar to Japanese gamers than to the majority of western ones.

>>30165409
She's a generic anime character. Down to the cheesy symbolic "changing forms" business

>>30164875
I forgot those reasons. What were they?

>>30165635
She hates to see Pokemon getting hurt due to trauma caused Lusa's experiments and she disliked trainers because she thought they all treated their Pokemon like things like Lusa.

>>30165447
Don't kid yourself. If you were really western, You'd be playing COD on your Xbone with your dudebro friends insteading of browsing /vp/

>>30155333
One of my favourite characters amongst a sea of good characters in all generations of Pokemon.
only character I thought was especially lacking was Hau___

>>30165897
What, you don't like Malasada Man? Please don't tell me you dislike him because of his >crush on Lillie.

>>30165942
Nah, I was just disappointed that he didn't have a bigger role, he seemed shoved to the side a lot.
He's a fun character personality-wise, just sad he didn't get fleshed out.

>>30165994

If he got fleshed out it would ruin who he is. He really is just a lovable dork, not as dumb as he seems but naive and too good-natured for his own good. Adding some pathos would ruin that appeal, the appeal that he is exactly who he seems to be and just a genuinely sweet kid.

>>30166026
I kind of meant I wanted him to show up more but I'm bad with words, sorry.
But yeah, I understand what you're saying, and looking at him now, I think I can appreciate him a bit more. Thanks yo.

>>30166026
Yeah, I actually found him funny. I kinda wish he was more involved with some things though, when he cried for Lillie my thought process went to "wait, you care about something that isn't a malasada/me?"

But I guess he would probably be an emotional crybaby.

>>30166026
i thought he acted so easy going because he was always living in Hala's shadows + to cope with the fact that his dad left him.

>>30166171

Nah, it seems like he's easygoing and happy because that's just who he is, and that being in Hala's shadow, losing to you, his dad being absent, etc. bother him but only a little. I mean look at how for the briefest second he gets pissed when you keep beating him. No whining, he just goes "this is getting frustrating... oh well, I need to try harder."

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>>30163233
Checked

>>30165800
So her back story is basically N's with a new coat of paint.

>>30166271
How is that anything like N's backstory?

>>30166277
Similar themes of childhood trauma and that lead to him generalizing trainers. Though, back story may have been an incorrect term.

>>30165942
His crush on Lillie really bothered me.

We've literally started our journey together, and instead of having a crush on me, it's on a girl that he barely knew?

>>30166473
Lillie didn't like seeing pokemon get hurt, she didn't generalize all trainers as one thing.

>>30166614
>>she thought that all people treated their pokemon like things

???

>>30164351
Emma from that XY mini story and Silver have her beat in the character development category

>>30166576
She's a dainty pale blonde waifu who needs protection

You're a manly chickengirl who needs no man with your beefy pokemons that keep beating him up

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>>30166026
>If he got fleshed out it would ruin who he is.
But who he is, is annoying. I don't want him to remain who he is, I'd rather him develop into a character that isn't annoying.

>>30163769
You're telling me the best thing to come out of pokemon is a generic anime waifu? I never thought /vp/ could so low. Don't get me wrong, she's one of the better written characters, but to go that far would suggest the games were down right terrible before that it took a moe girl to be the best thing.

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>>30166700
>needs no man

>>30166834
Do you ignore the countless waifu threads this board has? I'm not surprised.

>>30166576
I'd imagine that's because of one of two reasons:
>Sun is canon and they didn't change anything in the plot except for pronouns
or
>Gamefreak is lazy