Is he OU viable?

>>30123970
>Is he OU viable?
No.

>His design is too cool.
No.

>>30123970
Easily the strongest grass starter of all time when it comes to being OU viable. So yes.

You can use it as a poor-man's Gothitelle and virtually nothing else. Have fun.

>>30123970
Not yet. Wait for the meta to settle down and all the loose monsters to be rounded up and sent back to Ubers.

It can definitely do work in OU given its access to Roost, Defog, Spirit Shackle, Baton Pass, Swords Dance, Nasty Plot, and even Low Sweep if Tyranitar finds it so comfortable to switch in on.

>>30124006
>implying he's stronger than Venusuar or Contrary Serperior

Anon are you retarded?

>>30124006
0/10

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>>30124006

A pokemon doesn't have to be OU viable to use in OU you know. If you want to build a team supporting Decidueye then just do that.

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>>30123970
>slow
>fragile
>mixed attacking stats but no worthwhile spA moves
>best STAB moves are 90 and 80

>>30124444
>objectively the best trapper out of all trappers
Already enough to ascend Decidueye to the skies of OU.

>>30123970
That depends anon.

Are you gonna put 4 attacks, slap an assault vest, and just attack like an idiot?

Or will you use like a strategic pivot? If not, then don't bother.

>>30124444
>>fragile

>>30123970
He's great for trapping so you can swap in pokemon with immunities

>>30124531
Probably run some sort of trapping set. Unsure if it should be offensive SD or defensive Defog though.

After how hilariously wrong /vp/ was about zygarde complete I have learned to never listen to you idiots again

I'm pretty shitty, but I've been having okay results with Shackles/Sub/Toxic/Roost
It's surprisingly just bulky enough to set up.

>>30124497
Best trapper when it has to use a move to trap thereby giving the opponent the opportunity to switch to a counter, better than Arena trap.

>>30124752
If you want to attempt offensive, you have to give it low sweep. Tho I found it underwhelming.

Careful is where decidueye shines. It's not his resistances that make him shine, but rather what he's neutral to. Namely poison, and bug.

I found surprising success with this:
-Shackles
-Roost
-Toxic/U-turn
-Substitute/Defog

Note that PP will be a problem, long term

How is Decidueye in VGC?

>>30124820
Fuck stall
You are the cancer killing us
Unless this is the only stall set you're using and you're using it to fight other cancer

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No. Every time I've seen this pokemon on the enemy team it has been a free win.

>>30124006
Fucking Chesnaught is more OU viable than Decidueye.

>>30124863
>It's not his resistances that make him shine, but rather what he's neutral to.
This. Most people expect it to go down like a house of cards, but it can take some hits.
>>30124875
The metas are twisting and turning now.
It's the best moment to be Turbo-Cancer and maybe get something banned.

I easily get at least 2 kills with my owl bro every match.

Apologize, Littenfags. Your starter lost.

>>30124444
Trips of truth. Don't listen to these salty rowletcucks, Decidueye is one of the least viable grass starters and the least viable starter of the generation.

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>>30124875
It doesn't have the stats to just mindlessly muscle through whole teams you sperg.

>>30124942

>Meganium
>The trio of BW
>Typloshion

>>30124863
This is similar to the set I'm running. I'm also using a Careful nature with a tanky EV spread

-Spirit Shackle
-Roost
-Curse
-U-Turn

Thinking about swapping Curse out for Toxic though. It really can't afford to lose half it's HP for Curse.

>>30123970
Not even bl2 material

>>30124863
>>30125041
I've been using pretty much the same set, but jolly to eek out that speed advantage every once in a while, but wouldn't it be better to try and buff up the weaker defense?

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>>30124897
And better designed

>>30125031
>Decidueye is one of the least viable Grass starters
>Typhloshion
>Grass starters

take a break anon.

not to mention that contary superior is somewhat viable, especially compared to decidueye

>>30124875
Fuck you. After Gen 5 and Gen 6, wallbreaking offense bullshit, we finally have a metagame that supports all play styles.

Dppt was the best meta because it had the most playstyle variety. Including 2 that no longer exist: Scouting (because there was no team preview) and Spin Blocking (Defog)

>>30124863
I'll keep that in mind when I go to build my team. Think I'm gonna wait for the meta to stabilize a bit first though.

>>30125106
nah because you will find on average most physical moves have 10~20 higher BP at the same accuracy than special moves.

So 80/100 physical defense is underwhelming
but 80/100 special defence is pretty good.

A difference in 10BP is equal to 300 atk/spatk and 400 atk/spatk

Better question for a shit thread: how can I build a team around LuchaCat?

>>30125106
I've seen people run Impish on him. I personally prefer to run Careful and bulk up the HP and SpDef to make him into a sort of specially defensive Pokemon. That way, you can focus on one aspect of his defensive capabilities and know when to swap him out and when he can stay in against certain physical/special oriented attackers.

>>30125234
have defoggers

>>30125234
Wait for Intimidate Incineroar to be released

>>30125121
>Plays contrary Serperior
>Limited Moveset and speed
> More Viable than a Ghost-grass mon

He looks cool and fun to use
Not sure why people aren't giving him a chance, his baton pass skills are great
Passing a trap and maybe an attack boost sounds nice

>>30125476
>Passing a trap

that can no longer work anymore since gen 5

>>30124942
>Trips

>>30124444
Quads wasted on a disgusting anti-decidueyefag. Fuck this board.

>>30125121
>somewhat viable,
Contrary serp was very common in gen 6 ou.

>>30124444
>Oh nice qua-
>"fragile"
>"mixed attacking stats
>bad

In VGC with how things are now, with Megas not being a thing, he is definitely worth running.

As for shitty Smogon Meta. Who the fuck cares?

They literally are the reason why VGC became Primal central.

>>30124942
>trips
Not knowing what trips are or competitive. I'm gonna guess underage.

>>30123970
>is he OU viable
no, probably the worse only saved by meganium's shittiness

>>30123970
Asking /vp/ for competitive vibe is like asking a blind man to read a sign. Remember, these are the same fags that said Zygarde won't be competitively viable.

As for your question, I would take more >>30124050 's advice. Better just wait for things to settle down. You could ask some on the Smogon forums for possible sets afterwards.

>>30125971
he's definitely better than torterra

>>30125859
>They literally are the reason why VGC became Primal central.
How did smogon make VGC primal central?

>>30123970
I'm gonna take your fucking arrows and shove them between your polished fingernails

>>30123983
>Shitposter that hates Decidueye eager to shitpost against it whenever the chance

This thread ain't for you. You could have easily answered OP's question without trashing the design.

>>30126132
>Almost everyone had a team with Any of the genies, Rotom wash, Kangaskhan, Heatran, Bravest Birb, Aegislash etc...
Gee i wonder how

>>30123970
Pretty much this here>>30126000 but in my opinion, yes it actually is viable, extremely strong late game too

>>30126299
So what you're saying is without smogon literally nobody would have discovered any sort of dumbshit OP sets ever no matter? Amazing logic.

>tfw Lax nature
Umm, is it still good? Decidueye's base stats are spreaded so evenly, I have no idea what to do

>>30124497
His trapping side benefit is literally 100% worthless in every circumstance if you've paid attention to the meta at all. It's not Arena Trap, Magnet Pull or Shadow Tag. Trapping attacks hit after the thing you wanted to trap switches. Did you think Mean Look was only unpopular because it doesn't come attached to a low damage attack? Play some games and check its impact, anon: it's worth nothing.

>>30126385
I mean it's not like smogon already made everyone run fucking genies for 2-3 whole fucking years because if they didn't, they would be forced to deal with nothing but a fucking tsunami of Cloud riding muslims one shotting your team no matter where you go
Totally not that at all

>>30124942
>least viable grass starters
Anon, we're in a Birb thread, not a Meganium thread

>>30124444
Dude why are describing Primarina? We're talking about Decidueye my man

>>30126000
Don't forget we lost to a Honchkrow

>>30126665
>mixed attaching stats

>>30126529
This is 100% illustrated when Hau fucks up and ends up trapping his birb with the cat or Alolan Muk

>>30125375
Yeah I guess that 110 BP STAB move that also gives you a free Nasty Plot is overrated

>>30126529
>Did you think Mean Look was only unpopular because it doesn't come attached to a low damage attack?
I seem to recall Mean Look being pretty viable back in Gen 2. I remember running an Umbreon with Mean Look, Toxic, Moon Light, and Faint Attack with a lot of success.

Anyway, I see the point you're trying to make.

>>30125375
>I didn't pay attention to ORAS meta at all: the post

Movepool doesn't matter, it gets Dragon Pulse and HP Fire which is most of the coverage it wants (except for Ground)

It's fast as fuck and has a 130 BP STAB move that BOOSTS it's Special Attack, it was more than viable in ORAS and likely will be again in SuMo

>>30126665
>>30126665

>Says that primarina most powerful stab is 90
>Hydro pump

>>30126819
>hydro miss
Barely counts as a real move.

>>30126785

>Move pool doesn't matter

The entire oras meta was based on the types

>>30126840
>t. got BTFO by a Rotom-W

>>30126840


>Hyper Voice is Stab of 110 with HA

>>30126840
Stay mad. Even Dhelmise gets a real Grass STAB and doesn't get walled by every steel type thanks to earthquake.
All of decidueye sets don't work against steel types.

>>30124497
>objectively the best trapper out of all trappers
But you're wrong.

There's pokemon whose ability already trap others in (Shadow Tag, Arena Trap and Magnet Pull), meaning they don't have to waste a move slot.

Plus Dhelmise literally does the same job as Decidueye but ten times better.

>>30126199
It's not like Deciduefags don't do it to the other two starters.

>>30127318
>thinking falseflaggers are actual Decidueyebros

>>30124619
Grass isn't exactly the best defensive type.

>>30127357
>Muh no true Scotsman

>>30123970
People like you stay at 1100.

>>30127144
Sad but true

>>30124827
Or possibly take a chunk of Decidueye's HP, forcing it to use Roost.

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>>30127357
>He hasn't seen the Incineroar/Primarina b8 threads.
>And most recently, Decidueyefags started to make Dhelmise b8 threads,
>Implying Decidueyefags aren't just shitting on anything at this point.

>>30124882
Hahaahahah.

>>30127416
>A-all Incineroar/Primarina b8 threads are made by Decidueye fags

They definitely ain't coming from me, hun. I'm just chilling waiting for my Yurop copy. I might not fancy Incineroar or Primarina as my main starter pick, but that doesn't mean I'm making bait/hate/whatever threads about it, Some times, there are shitposters to cause and spread havoc simply because, they have nothing better to do.

It's a shitty reality, but when we consider that we're in fucking 4chan of all places, you just have to cope with it and hide/report shit whenever the chance because it won't stop so soon.

>>30127590
Let me guess, you browse Reddit

Also just because you don't do it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. If that were the case stuff like shoplifting wouldn't happen because I don't shoplift.

>>30127590
I smell reddit

>>30127658
>Y-you're from Reddit, aren't you?

Worst person you could have picked to call a Reddit nig, man. Never used that site asides to get soundtracks that I'd usually bump into while googling. That interface irks me to no end too.

And I'm aware it does happen, but people are often fond of pointing fingers at just one group whenever something's up and fail to realize there are far more people involved than just the group referred.

>>30127796
I wasn't even complaining about the leddit boogeyman, you just sound like a stereotypical Reddit user.

You're aware he wasn't blaming you, right? He only pointed out you're somehow ignoring all the shit bait threads that pop up daily.

You also implied a Decidueye fan wouldn't do such a thing but that wouldn't explain why there's almost never shitposts involving the owl (there are threads disliking the thing but they're not as cringeworthy as Incineroar and Primarina bait). Fans will always have the rabid shitters who have to put down other stuff to feel good about what they like.

>>30126677
You talking about that football player who kicked like 5 /vp/oreon's asses when X/Y first came out?

That was pretty funny. Also, he knew what he was doing, so it's not like some random scrub came here and beat everyone's asses.

>viable
This thing is a certified shitmon. Its bulk isn't impressive, it doesn't hit hard and it's slow.

>>30128084
>You also implied a Decidueye fan wouldn't do such a thing

yeah no I won't deny some are Decidueye fans but not all those who make such threads are Decidueye fans either.

as I've said, there are shitposters simply because there are shitposters, some like stirring hate just because, others do it because they're bored or even enjoy it, whether they're the opposing group or not

>Remembering back when Popplio was hated and learned some liked Popplio, but at the same time, liked to shitpost against it because it was fun

wew

>>30128238
You got a better format? And please, don't bring up the cancer that is VGC.

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>he plays OU all the time
>not having fun playing UU and constructing a team that isn't copy-pasted
Plebians

>>30128238
You do know you can play battle spot and vgc on showdown?

>>30126945
I don't think its HA boosts sound damage, just makes them water type with no increase in damage

>>30128577
I would play UU more if I didn't get so stuck at the team making process.

>>30128577
OU is all that matters.

>>30128648
>110 Sum Stab doesn't sound like damage

>>30128908

>Smogon Fagg

>>30128908
How does it feel being this close minded ?

try


Decidueye @ Leftovers / Colbur Berry
Ability: Long Reach
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 SpD (252 HP / 244 Def / 12 SpD)
Careful / Impish Nature
- Roost
- U-turn
- Spirit Shackle
- Defog / Leaf Blade / Toxic

>>30123970
>
Why did that matter? Use Pokemon that you like. Your skill is what matters the most.

>>30128577
There isn't even a gen 7 UU out at the moment.
And Gen 6 UU is dead to me with the Baton Pass ban killing my best pivot.

>>30129176
Skill can only get you so far.
Yeah, it's no ledian, but don't act like this is some potentially overlooked gem. The best it can manage is stealing momentum, or a crappy physical sweeper since nasty plot, energy/shadow ball, HP fire, and or roost are all it could run on a special set.

It has a decent learnset, and just enough of the stats to not be a walking dumpster.

>>30124050
I've said this before, no competent player will let you trap a mon that Decidueye can set up on

>>30126569
CHALK was a Chinese playerbase thing that latter catched up to the rest.

You never payed attention to VGC at all if you don't know how CHALK started, double Genies in Gen5 was way popular on B2W2 when smogon was just theory crafting.

Blame the chinks here, remember that in the early stages Smogon thought Tflame was RU material until we started using the bulky sets and walled all his "counters".

Your ignorance is showing dude, be more careful next time.

>>30130731
>t. chink

Can you baton-pass after trapping someone?

If yes - it's fucking good.
if not - oh well.

>>30126896
Nope, it revolved around trapping shit and neutral stab wallbreaking. In singles stab wallbreaking and trapping where the freaking metagame, heck we started using focus blast/hydro pump Keldeo and tricks specs Latios near the end of ORAS because we rediscovered how good it was to not have switch ins and destroying the fuck out of Clefable.

VGC was a cluster fuck during all of ORAS though.

>>30130793
I meant - and still traping after baton passing post spirit shackle

>>30130793
You CAN, but the trapping goes away.
Also, you most likely than not will be needing to roost every two turns.

>>30130793
>>30130822
Traps can't be passed, ghosts can't be trapped, and normal types shit on that strategy.

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>>30126199
But the design is shit.

>>30130916
Your taste is shit.

>>30130391
But its ability to trap and do chip damage is still valuable.

>>30130957
Yes, valuable out of OU.

>>30130916
Even if you don't think it's great it's certainly not bad

>>30130780
Not Chink, but I was following VGC very closely, CHALK was rumored to be very good on it's ability to fuck with fairy spam and tailwind zardy archetypes while also cover/support mega Khangaskan back in the day.

Smogon got nothing to do with CHALK, it catched up on its own and its the pinnacle of an unhealthy level of centralization if you let a meta "stabilize" around the concept of people adapting to broken shit due to a "broken checking broken" mentality, the metagame adapted... It adapted into CHALK and severe match up dependency.

>>30130793
Yeah, because Mean Look was always so great.

>inb4 muh damage

Normals don't give a fuck

>>30131366
It's okay, Decidueye can just fuck normies up with grass type attacks when they attempt to switch in. At least 50% of the normie's HP gone in a single strike.

>>30130957
Why chip when you can Baton Pass some SD/Nasty Plots out to another teammate? I can see Decidueye/Minior tag-team being fun in the mid-lower tiers.

>>30131412
>50%
>with 107 atk

He's not going to be OU, Trevenant and Dhelmise are both better grass/ghosts. I think Decidueye will be fun in RU though.

As someone who doesn't bother with competitive, why do people care so much about Pokemon being OU? There are other tiers for a reason.

>>30124925
Come at me with your stupid bird. My John Cena is looking to attitude adjust a fool.

>>30132384
>John Cena
>a heel
>in the year of our lord 2016

lel

>>30132454
>not rembering John Cena started out as a heel only to turn into a face
>not reading incineroar's pokedex

See, this is why you would be beaten. You are way too young.

>>30132499
Cena has been a superface for more than 10 years and is never ever going to be a heel again, there are much better wrestlers to compare Incineroar to.

>tfw I took incineroar with shiinotic as my fire and grass type and I regret it.

Decidueye and turtonator woulda been so much cooler...

>>30132330
Because OU is the most popular tier.

>>30132556
You misspelled Torkoal, Torkoal is the superior fire tortoise.

>>30123970
no Speed

>>30132556
ye but no speed

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>>30123970
He's shit

>>30134460
no