Leave OU to me

Will it really be top tier?

with all the power creep i think its stuck in UU

Leave PU to me

>>30063440
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>>30062179
I can hope. Pory-Z with Z-Conversion and Nasty Plot has been my only way to deal with Toxapex.

>>30064112
>Z-Conversion and Nasty Plot
Redundant

Shadow Ball, Z-Conversion, Thunderbolt and Recover is the best set
You can also switch Thunderbolt for HP Fighting

>>30064303
Focus Blast

>>30064359
>Focus Miss
nah

>>30063401
Probably not with Toxapex running around freely. Its haze fucks over Porygon.

>>30064459
+1 252 SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Toxapex: 384-456 (126.3 - 150%) -- guaranteed OHKO
If you go with Boltbeam Porygon-Z STAB Adaptability Thunderbolt can still OHKO fully-special invested Toxapex, even with a speed boosting nature.

It's nice that Porygon-Z has a bit of versatility with Z-Conversion really. It can either run Thunderbolt/Ice Beam and Shadow Ball/HP Fighting with a third attack for coverage. Unlike other endgame one-chance sweepers like Minior, Slurpuff and Hitmonlee the defense boost gives it the bulk to actually run Recover as well.

>>30064898
Woops, wrong calculation but it's still a OHKO regardless
+1 252 SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Toxapex: 340-404 (111.8 - 132.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>30064112
Use Toxacroak my man

>>30064898
What's the effect of Z-Conversion?

>>30065222
Boosts all stats by +1 (except Evasion/Accuracy), then applies Conversion's original effect of changing Porygon's type to the first move in its movelist, effectively granting it the ability to choose its own STAB to abuse Adaptability with.

Defensively the type change along with +1 in defenses make it decently bulky as well, so it can even carry Recover. If Porygon-Z turns Ghost-type it gains immunity to Mach Punch and Extremespeed and if Electric-type it gains resistance to Bullet Punch and paralysis.

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Tri me

>>30065652
>160BP shadow ball

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>>30065652
ok

+1 252 SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Aegislash-Shield: 292-344 (90.1 - 106.1%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

>>30064359
Focus fail

>>30064359
except porygon-z doesn't get it

Seriously? Z conversion is good?

>>30066352
super good

Is rest/talk the best way to run porgyon 2?

>>30064303
no Ice beam?

>>30062179
+1 252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 170-202 (26.4 - 31.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

It failed the test, it loses to stall

>>30065337
Can you shuffle moves around during battle this gen? Because that would give it potentially three different typings it could change to.

>>30066485
What about HP fighting?

>>30063440
>power creep
>in the gen full of shitmons like gen 2

Most problematic shit is going to ubers within a month.

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>>30066485
>a special attacker can't beat chansey

>>30066529
a stabbed, adaptability boosted 95 BP move 4HKO, hp fighting won't do anything.

>>30066529
stab adaptability thunderbolt is way stronger than a shitty hp fighting.

>>30066485
>a special attacker can't 1HKO chansey

Oh no what a shitmon.

>>30066529
Almost a 2HKO

+1 252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Hidden Power Fighting vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 228-272 (35.5 - 42.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>>30066552
>What are Zard Y, M-diancee, CM clef, taunt gengar, mega gardevoir, keldeo, crocune and similar mons, every special attacker with acces to volt switch and most mixxed mons

This isn't gen 3, kiddo, skarmbliss isn't unbreakable anymore :^)

Also, I didn't say it was shit, I jokingly pointed out the fact that it loses to what will probably become the most common special wall once all the obvious ubers mons go back to uber.

>>30066529
There is literally no reason at all, in the entire universe, to set up HP Fighting for Z-Conversion Porygon-Z as anything other than a coverage move.

Then again, one should still check to make sure if HP Fighting even works.

In any case, Chansey is a special wall. Porygon-Z is a special sweeper. If Chansey can't wall Porygon-Z, it's not doing its job.

>>30066609
Try Focus Miss now?

>>30066609
Going for adaptability HP fighting looks real bad to me, losing to smogonsword, getting a fairy weakness and building your whole set around a stabbed HP aren't good ideas

>>30066640
>Zard Y
252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 156-184 (24.2 - 28.6%) -- 98.6% chance to 4HKO

What did he mean by this?

>>30066661
Pory doesn't learn focus miss

>>30066661
It doesn't learn it....

but here's the calc +1 252+ SpA Porygon-Z Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 338-402 (52.6 - 62.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

So what is the optimal set?

Is adaptability triforce not the way to go anymore? What is Z conversion?

>>30066679
Oops, I made one mistake, silly me
I also ommited most NP mons, anything with trick, hoopa-U, smogonsword, and many more.
You get my point?

>>30063440
It has nothing to do with power creep, Pokemon with less than 100 speed and low bulk are never OU.

>>30066733
Read the thread. Z-conversion is +1 in all stats and changes your type to your first move.

>>30066733
Z Conversion boosts all your stats by 1. It also changes your type to whatever it's in the first slot, so you now get STAB on that attack.

In exchange for losing out an item you get a 50% all stat boost and can still carry Nasty Plot if you want. You also become much more tanky.

>>30066733
Porygon-Z @ Normalium Z
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Ability: Adaptability
Level: 100
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Conversion
- Tri Attack
- Recover

Haven't tried it yet, but you can probably replace Recover with NP, Dark Pulse or Psyshock to hit Pokemon who are Specially bulky.

>>30066791
>>30066825
>>30066833
nice, i love me some porygon

>>30066833
No reason to carry Tri Attack over Shadow Ball other than status.

>>30066782
>Breloom

>>30066833
>>30066909
This

T-bolt/shadow ball hits pretty much everything you need to, including toxapex and aegislash

>>30066909
>>30066954
It gives you a strong STAB to use off the cuff, but you could easily swap it out.
Like I said, haven't even tried using this thing yet.

Consider the following: Iron Tail

>>30066994
Tri Attack is highly situational. Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball beat it out in every single respect, due to actually being able to hit things for super effective damage and doubling as two options to Conversion Porygon-Z into, Electric or Ghost.

>>30067033
Iron Tail is physical you twat

Why are we talking about Porygon Z?

It didn't receive any boost in Generation 7, afaik.

>>30067065
read the thread reddit

>>30067059

Z-Conversion boosts attack too.

>>30067074

But Normalium isn't that much if a boost, 9Gag.

>>30067105
Your special attack stat will still be miles higher than your attack stat. Literally no reason to use physical moves unless you're memeing hard.

>>30067105
And neutral Special Attacks would still hit harder in almost every situation.

>>30067123

Oh, never mind, Twitter. I figured it out. Z-Conversion.

Yeah, that's a nice move.

What does Z yawn do?

>>30067123
1+ in every stat is a pretty significant boost, ebaumsworld

>>30067150
+Speed
I can't think of any yawn users that really need that enough to use your Z-move slot.

>>30067150

The opponent falls asleep in three turns instead of one.

>>30067123
Time to spoonfeed a tumblrite

>conversion-z
>change your type to match one of your moves, gaining not just defensive benefits but also instantly making one of your moves stab
>also gain +1 in every stat because normalium
>suddenly the jack of UU is the king of OU

>>30067183
>>30067161

Thanks, iFunny.

It's insane how strong the power level inflation is. In generation 3, this would've been too much for ubers, now it's an OU candidate.

>>30065185
How does toxicroak fix the situation?
I get that it can't stall Toxicroak and dry skin for absorbing scald, but then you'd waste a slot on a UU shitmon just to counter a wall.

>>30066200
>Aegislash changed forms!
>Aegislash used Shadow Sneak!

Ghost Porygon or Dark Porygon?
Dark resists Sucker Punch, Shadow Sneak, nothing is immune to its Adaptability attacks and doesn't need to rely on focus miss, but is weak to Mach Punch, and Fairy moves. As a boon it becomes immune to Prankster.
Ghost is immune to both Normal and Fighting, however its STAB has one type immune to it, it's weak to both Shadow Sneak and Sucker Punch and as a boon it becomes immune to trapping.

Either of them have perfect coverage with BoltBeam+Stab though.

>>30067059
>Tri Attack is highly situational
I'm worried about it being phased out, or if an opponent brings a check/counter in.

>>30064303
>Nasty Plot is redundant
Enjoy being walled by Chansey

>>30067298

Steel Porygon.

>>30067298

I may sound like a hipster, but... What about Normal Porygon?

>>30067298
I like Ghost better because its only 2 resists are covered by a single type.

>>30067287
Are you fucking retarded?

>>30067287
252 Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Porygon-Z: 132-156 (42.4 - 50.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
:^)

>>30067298
I like ghost better, but it makes it Aegislash bait. Maybe once he gets sent back to ubers it will be better, but until then Dark

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>>30067298
Electric is probably going to be better, if not because Ghost is going to get walled by pic related.

I'm pretty sure you can't move attacks around during battle anymore.

>>30067399
You can't, but why does that matter?

>>30066833
>>30066909
>>30067059
One (small) benefit for bringing Tri Attack is that you could use Normalium Z to pop off an attack using it instead of boosting with Conversion-Z. Therefore, it gives you a bit of unpredictability. You swap to Porygon-Z, use Conversion-Z to set up and then start sweeping, or you could immediately fire off a 320 BP (after Adaptability) normal type special attack and just wallbreak with it.

I'm not saying it's some genius tech, but it is an advantage. Mixups are always good.

>>30067405
Because it only gives you one option for what conversion changes you to instead of two.

>>30067379
yeah aegislash often got shunned down to NU because its ghost stab would get walled by rattata in gen 6

>>30067363
are you some special kind of retard?

>>30067530
How is he?
Under any normal circumstances Porygon always wins vs Aegis if Aegis has to switch into it.

>>30067530
are you?

This is great and all but where can I find a Porygon in SM?

>>30067363
Now double that because Porygon-Z is Ghost type.

>>30067411
Using Conversion also isn't a smart idea if your opponent has an EQ user out, especially with it being one of the most common physical attacks in the entire game.

>>30067657
Are you fucking stupid or something? If Porygon-Z was still Normal it'd say 0%, moron. I already changed its type to Ghost.

Serious question, do you think Z-moves will be better off being reusable?

Forgoing an item competitively is quite a big deal, you lose either 30% boost from Life Orb, Lefties recovery, or whatever gimmick you gain from Choice items.

>>30067725
they would be OP if they were reusable

>>30067630
Just found out, you have to go back to the aether house during postgame and talk to the guy in the back.

Porygon is breedable too I think. Gonna WT a bunch later.

>>30067584
>>30067606
porygon is fucking normal, you retards

>>30067725
They would be busted as fuck if they were reusable. The status ones, anyway. As it stands now Z-Conversion is pretty much a free choice item for every single stat without even locking you in.

>>30067725
Porygon-Z normally goes Double Dance, Scarf or Specs.
If he could spam Z-Conversion and Recover he'd be AG material.

@30067783
What is Conversion?

>>30067743
How so? 130 base stat moves is the same as 100 base stat moves + life orb.

If I make my duck into electric should I be pairing it with shadow ball or ice beam?

I used to use both but apparently recover is good on it so I dropped shadow ball because muh boltbeam

But I'm not actually sure is thunderbolt+ice beam is the best option

>>30067783

But after Conversion, with Shadow Ball in the first slot, Porygon-Z becomes Ghost Type, you fucking moron.

+1 252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kyogre-Primal: 440-520 (108.9 - 128.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>30067783
(You)

>>30067824
Boltbeam is resisted only by Rotom-H, Rotom-F, Mamoswine, Lanturn, Shedinja and Magnezone, it's amazing coverage.

>>30067872

How does Mamoswine resist Boltbeam?

>>30067902
Thick Fat

>>30067828
WHY would you even want to become ghost? Thunderbolt is better in the first slot

+1 252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Psyshock vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 392-462 (61 - 71.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>30067958
Yeah but that makes you Psychic which is ass.

Where can i get porygon in sm? I want to pair it with koko in the battle three

>>30067919
Better offensive and defensive typing.
To be perfectly honest, we can argue all day about which type is best, but the great thing about all of this is that they are all entirely interchangeable, everyone can run any of them and surprise someone who thought had a perfect counter for it in the end.
Porygon-Z will be great in OU.

>>30067919
STAB Shadow Ball, Ghost is arguably a better offensive typing than Electric.

>>30067919
Yes, I too like losing sweepers to ground types and urfquack users

>>30067872
You forgot Alolan Marowak. It resists Ice Beam and blocks Thunderbolt with Lightning Rod.

>>30068841
Oh true.

>>30066485
Well it's a late game win con. And you can always use something to break chansey like bewear

>>30067308
Not running a physical wall breaker to punch holes in the blob

>>30068841
Isn't that why you have shadow ball to begin with?

>>30067812
Imagine being able to use Z-parting shot over and over. It would be hilarious how your sweepers could always have a second chance

>>30069401
>Switching out after setting up
You know you can only set up Pory-Z once right?

>>30069455
The idea with that post is how viable it is to run beambolt over shadow ball + something else

>>30070547
And why would you do that when there's a chansey alive in the opponent team?
You're not super good in competitive are you

>>30067074
>>30067123
>>30067149
>>30067161
>>30067246

>that situational comedy

Good job Newgrounds, it made me chuckle.

>>30070547
My point was you set up after your physical mon has either softened up or killed Chansey. I mean I wouldn't set up a Tail Glow Manaphy without getting rid of ferrothorn

>>30067258
Toxicroak also BTFO's Toxapex's best buddy Ferrothorn and catch Top Lel on the switch-in. It also murks Bulu and Fini as well as send Chansey/Blissey on their way with Knock Off+Fighting STAB.

It's not a major player, but it definitely has a niche it can fill in this meta.

>>30066485
hyper beam still best move then, OHKO chansey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_bPxZPwPI4

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>>30067841
even better

+1 252 SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Mega Rayquaza in Strong Winds: 476-564 (114.9 - 136.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

i want to fuck porygon-z.