IN THIS THREAD: DISAPPOINTMENTS

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>>30040832
>It will be good on doubles with trick room

>it's a gamefreak shits on the ice type episode

Gamefreak overdid it with the Grass-types this gen. Also, too many slow mons and limited movepools.

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>no attacking moves

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>>30040832
I still like it. It's a shame that Pokemon I like get cucked out of being good... well anyway this guy is my disappointment of this gen. Now don't get me wrong, I know it's actually quite good and will stomp in lower tiers. But as someone who has always wanted a Koala pokemon a one stage mon that looks like it should evolve is really, really sad.

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>>30040832
>they only get one non flying STAB move
>at level fucking fourty

God damnit gamefreak

>>30040832
>Buzzwole
>Kommo-o
>Bewear
>Pheromosa
Nah

>>30040963
... Seriously?

>Counter
>Bide
>Innards Out: Damages the attacker landing the finishing hit by the amount equal to its last HP.

... Why don't you just fucking shoot me...

>>30040832
He is pretty gud in D TR. Huge attack with essentially two 120 bp stabs tears holes.

>>30040963
He can use the fighting z-move with counter, That counts, right?

>>30040993
Mine put in real work with just air cutter for most of the game. electric/flying is a surprisingly good defensive combo.

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true disappointment

>>30040963
Can it learn screens and Stealth Rock, at least?

>>30041127
>he doesn't know

>>30041005
Like I needed more fighting pokemon I can't breed to my liking.

>>30041163
>and its still shit

>>30040832
>Fighting types
>Not Ice types
It really shows you how competent gamefreak really is when the only good pokemon of a generation is a fucking reskin of a fucking old one
>>30040968
This thing is actually better than half of the fucking pokedex what are you talking about?
>>30040993
>Can copy any dance move immediately when they're used
>No quiver dance
>Only move that isn't flying is gimmicky
>Can't even learn a move that's the same as its secondary typing
Fucking jeez gamefreak, fuck a pokemon even harder next won't ya?

>>30040968
I'm so sad this didn't evolve into a Slaking-size drop bear with a beard and a huge mallet.

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People keep trying to make this work but it never does. It makes me so sad.
Can't switch in because if it takes a hard hit its going back out immediately.
To slow get in a hit first so has to use priority
first impression is easy to predict. Easy to switch into too because bug is resisted by seven types.
Weak to stealth rocks
can't use any of its setup moves moves because it will get switched out at some point

>b.b.but muh smogon meta from 2 gen ago!
never learn: the """""""fan"""""""""dom

>>30041127
i don't understand how its legs work

>>30041318
Why would you even bother with setups with this thing? Just go hyper aggro and abuse priority moves like sucker punch when you know he's going to backdown. He works as a solid revenge killer.

>>30041318
It's posts like these that make me really glad that I don't play competitively.

>>30041127
The only disappointment is that it can't get Power Split yet

>>30040884
M8 Alola Tales is the best thing to ever happen to ice.

>>30041318
He's good you're just stupid.

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>>30042540
wew lad nice counter-argument

>>30041624
this post is almost nonsensical

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I'm not against waifu mons, but why did my bro have to turn into this? It isn't awful, but it wasn't what I was hoping and expecting Salandit was going to turn into. Kind of got cucked here

>>30042953
your bro doesn't turn into that

he just won't evolve at all silly :^)

>>30040968
why does this even exist? even johto pokemon have something going for them on some level

this is nothing. it does nothing. it is nothing.

>>30041199
I don't know why any of you retards thought Oricorio would learn weird dance moves when its main gimmick is copying them.

>>30040832
Is it even usable in the main game?

>Disappointments

They gutted fishing
I hate it
I hate it
I hate it

>>30043110
I just wanted it to learn thunderbolt/flamethrower/shadow ball/psychic

>>30040963
This thing is god tier

Hoenn (Pyukumuku) (F) @ Mental Herb
Ability: Unaware
Shiny: No
EVs: 152 HP / 152 Def / 204 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Recover
- Baton Pass
- Double Team
- Toxic

>>30040968
This guy rocks

>>30040993
Baton Pass + Agility

>>30041127
amazing

>>30042540
this

>>30042980
To be honest family, that's pretty shitty. They make the female into furbait, and don't even bother taking the time to make a male bandit evo?

GF likes dropping the ball.

>>30043238
Yeah no one wanted a Combee 2.0. How about actually making Vespiquen good

Salandit should have been 100% female

>>30042373
I dont either, but holy shit all these nerfs and shitmons gen 7 in general are making me real wary about this game. For fucks sake I play singles and even then I dont want the computer to man handle me cause these mons are shit tier

>>30043261
Or they could have given it a split evo like a sane person would.

>>30040884
>Vanilluxe gets Hail Blizzards
>Icetales
>Beartic's massive buff

>>30042953
Yeah a bit disappointing in the looks, but it still looks fine compared to crabrawler and other final evolutions. Besides its kinda good.

>>30040832
How bout' support from a speed boost/agility baton passer or even a crippling switcher like pachirisu?

Rowlet Line
Litten Line
Poppilo Line
Pikipek Line
Grubbin Line
Crabrawler line
Oricorios
Rockruff line
Wishiwashi
Formantis line
Morelull line
Salandit line
Bounesweet line
Pyukumuku
Type Null line
Komala
Turtonator
Bruxish
Dhelmise
Jangmo-O line

All these Pokemon are disappointments, either in in their BST, their movepools, or their typings. I won't ever be using any of these Pokemon again unless Gamefreak fixes them

Otherwise I wish Gamefreak would just throw all these Pokemon in the trash and start Gen 7 over

>>30042953
>le generic NU glass cannon

Just fuck my shit up

>>30042953
>bro
Anon...

>>30043700
anon, please take the time to actually look at their wiki entries and figure out what GF intended their usages to be. not everything is supposed to be a fast and strong attacker with a wide movepool

>>30042953
only problem with salandit is they made a cool ability for poison types so they can fuck over steels a bit and then GAVE IT TO A FIRE TYPE

>can't evolve this until endgame.

Fuck it. I'm rolling Mankey. All the fighting types I want to use are still a ways off anyway.

>>30040832
>Fighting/Ice
>Crab
>Living in fucking Ice
>Cold Blooded
>Living in Ice'

Gamefreak stopped using logic with these typings didnt they.

>>30043841
That's the point though. I know that. Why do you think stuff like Marrieanne isn't listed.

These Pokemon failed on multiple levels, even with what Gamefreak "intended"

They've all failed to endear me with their strength and qualities to make me want to use them over old Pokemon.

final boss fight wasn't using your pokemon to fight a UB-human hybrid

Is Aloa Muk worth? I'm just about to start playing

>>30041127
allright then, how do i make this fucker work? show me i loved araquanid since i first saw it leaked but its stats and movepool... i just cant figure out how to make it work

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someone make a set so i can properly use this cutemon

>>30044131
you use water-type attacks against whatever isn't resistant to water

that's it.

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>>30043196
>double team

>>30043700
How would you fix them?

>>30042953

I wish Salazzle kept the thief motif Salandit had, picked a few things from Black Cat/Catwoman, you know.

>>30044176

>Trop Kick
>Play Rough
>U-Turn/HJK
>Acrobatics/HJK

Get it? Cause Tsareena is better.

>>30043881
>he's never heard of the yeti crab

>not being a karenfag
you guys aren't nerds, are you?

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>>30043881
It's a play on words becoming literal "Yeti Crab" from a franchise about fictional creatures.

Kill yourself you rhubarb pie faggot

>>30044176
Non-contrary

Leaf Blade
Defog
Leach Life
Poison Jab or Swords Dance if you really think this thing can set up (it can't)

Contrary

Leaf Storm
Doesn't matter
Doesn't matter
Doesn't matter

>>30044131
>please make a set for me because I am too dumb to make one myself
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/752.shtml

>>30044320
:^)
it's in the game

Are the day and night cycles real time? How long must I wait for it to be day again so I can catch a dewspider.

Sorry didn't know where to ask and didn't want to make my own thread.

>>30045749
>Are the day and night cycles real time?
yes

>>30044105
>Only weakness is Ground
>Has good HP, Atk and SDef
>Decent moves
>Has Poison Touch
>Looks cool

It's fantastic

>>30045773
Shit... feel like I've been playing most of the game at night.. now I know why.

I wish I payed attention to abilities ...

I have all the worst abilities on all my pokemon....

Muk (alola) - Gluttony
Beware - Klutz
Iceneroar - blaze (default wtv)
Shiinotic - illuminate

Those are my mains. Which I could switch their abilities..

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>>30040832
>people still mad that he's not OU top tier super crab
>people hating on this adorable face

meanwhile my favourite pokemon is still ledian and i don't need to be validated through competitive viability to enjoy something.

why can't you guys just enjoy things, it makes me feel sad for you.

>>30045233
>letting a shitty meme decide how you play
you guys aren't faglords, are you?

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>>30043511
>Female salandit becomes salazzle and becomes furbait
>male salandit becomes salaMANdit and becomes barabait

please game freak, add a DLC island and fix this game

>>30041127
Might wanna crop that boomstck out.

>>30045859

You can get Ability Capsules in Royal Avenue if you really want to keep your mains.

>>30046534
Cool.

Anyone know how we can check the time in game? I want to know how much longer I have to wait for it to be day time.

>>30044105
Probably my favorite Alolan Form next to Vulpix and Ninetails. It's on my main team. STAB Bite does very well early game.

>>30046020

I think most people are miffed that you have to wait so long in order to evolve it.

>>30040832
Marshadow will make fighting great again.

>Gengar got Cursed Body
RIP switching into EQ

>>30043177
How did they gut fishing? Genuinely curious because I'm not at the point where I can fish yet.

>>30046020
Tjhe problem with his face is that is not Crabrawlers face.

Like Crawbrawler has a really distinctive face that is a pretty central point to the design and that that face has absolutely none of that.

>>30046020
>found during your first steps through the wild
>doesn't evolve until very last steps through the wild
>game even has added ice stones but still nothing
>boxing crab with glove-like pincers evolves into weirdly unnatural contrived snowman with paws

it's just really fucking confusing and hard to enjoy, it has nothing at all to do with competitive

it doesn't even look fuzzy, it looks round and sleek outside of it's hairpiece and wrists

>>30046851
You can only fish in specific places, where there's a pile of bubbling rocks.

>>30044422
At least double their speed for one, if they don't want speed creep then max it at 90 or 100 don't go giving them 30 speed

>>30041005
>Kommo-no close combat

>>30046880
That's not entirely true. You can still fish at non-bubbling rocks.

>>30046781

It doesn't have levitate anymore?

>>30046957
All rocks bubble just not all the time.

>>30040963
Assault vest puku, new meta?

>>30041318
Anyone knows what to breed it with for Aqua jet?

>>30043708
>NU
>111 spa
>117 spe
>fire, poison, dragon coverage
I understand not liking salazzle, but saying it's NU is just plain wrong.

>>30046983
>he doesn't know
It now has Cursed Body.
Talonflame also got bumfucked, in case you weren't aware.

>>30047073

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0fX0fuHvwFQ

>GF tries to rearrange the meta buy introducing slowmons/lower stat mons with good abilities and people can't understand anything but
>Muh 100 speed minimum and
>Muh 500BST minimum

>>30047018
>taunt

>>30047213
Because these pokemon are shit. You don't make slow pokemon without bulk. Gimmicks can only rarely save them.

>>30047213
Give it a bit of time before we get people out here making people like >>30047253 eat their words.

>>30047213
>>30047268
>Lurantis totally won't be shit, you guys!

>>30040968

>115 Base Attack

What the fuck.

>>30047213
No speed and no bulk is trash. If every alola pokemon with sub 50 speed had enough bulk to back it up, they'd be good.

>>30047032
I'd guess Armaldo. If you can get one.

>Soft resetting munchlax for adamant
>Be nicknaming each one "Donald Plump"
>Talking to friend, watching a video, basically soft resetting on autopilot.
>Finally get the munchlax w/ nature I want.
>Notice I named it Donald Trump

FUCK

>>30047253
>>30047288
>>30047329
>Talonflame had shit stats
>was king of OU simply for its ability
>implications

>>30046860
what do you mean by this?
Crabrawler got one busted eye and when he evolves his whole face gets busted which sounds like a pretty logical transition to me. The evolution makes me think of raging bull a lot though it may just be me.

>>30047474
>126 speed
>that great movepool
Sure thing bud.

>>30047550
86 (Eighty Six) attack
Uses same 4 moves every time
take away speedy wings and it's trash

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Surprised no one said the fact that there is no national dex in-game.. literally the only thing making this gen close to perfect for me. Fuck pokebank trash. I wanna see all 803 mons in the new dex.

>>30047550
Literally worse speed/damage ratio than Ribombee, which is pretty good tbph

>>30047621
Also pollen puff is new best bug move

WHY IS EVERYTHING SO SLOW FUUUUCK

>>30047768
dude
hawaii
lmao

It has 132 attack +20% with all it's best moves with iron fist, hits like a truck m8s

>>30044281
Just use a Water type attack even if it resists it, still gonna do more damage.

Unless if your opponent both resists Water and is hit Super Effectively by one of your other moves, Araquanid is still going to be doing more damage with Liquidation, same with Darmanitan and Flare Blitz.

>>30046020
I wouldn't give a crap about its competitive level, if its design would be better. I liked the underdog boxer theme. Even a more "serious" yeti monster theme would be great for a yeti crab

But this looks just like a goofy old fuck.

Speaking of disappointment, nearly 20 years of playing these games and my first non-Gyarados Shiny is a shitty Keen Eye Pikipek that barely looks any different from the regular ones...

>NOT. GETTING. FUR. COAT.

This thing would have sorely benefitted from some BULK. If it had fur coat and you gave it assault vest it could be a pretty beefy beatstick.

Even better if they'd give it a form of sustain

>>30046863
The fists in its evo are boxing trainer pads, he trains other crabrawlers by them punching it

>>30047213
There's like 100+ competitively viable pokemon to choose for to define the meta. OU is mostly 50 ish pokemon meta that includes most 600 BST Legendaries.

You don't just rearrange meta by introducing 50 more shitmons, they just gonna get buried.

>>30042953
>hey the one pokemon in the game that can poison heateran
>lets make it 4x weak to earth power
>hahha yeah fuck this thing it can poison a crobat or something if it wants to last for longer than one turn I guess
gamefreak is lead by an incompetent gook.

>>30048168
Toucannon is a good shiny though, it gets better.

>>30047032
Surskit gets Aqua Jet at 30.

>>30041318
>>30042579

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7anythinggoesbeta-478324809

>>30047588
>Uses same 4 moves every time
>Roost
>Acrobatics
>Brave Bird
>Taunt
>Flare Blitz
>Swords Dance
>Bulk Up
>Will O Wisp
Shitter detected.

>>30040832
No. In fact I think Ice got cucked more.

>Only one original ice-type
>All the other ice-types this generation are just gen 1 mons edited to have Ice typing

FUCK.

>>30049813
Oh, and I forgot:
>U-Turn
>Natural Gift for shits'n'giggles
>Tailwind
>Steel Wing

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>>30045233
I am a Karenfag, but don't say shit like you want your bro to be useless gutter trash that isn't fun to use at all

It's a contradicting idealism, there needs to be a balance between good and favorites

>>30048583
>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7anythinggoesbeta-478324809

As someone who knows nothing about competitve pokemon, how is he happening to end with 2 hp every time?

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>>30040832
>Does anyone else feel like Fighting as a type just shat itself this gen?

You're using the wrong fighting type.

>>30048583
End of turn 4: 48% health. How did it not have to switch out

>>30047213
>trys to effect the meta
>still, STILL no ice buffs
>just more slow defensive ice mons
why do they have a hate boner for ice?

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>>30047474
>Comparing Lurantis to Talonflame
>When Lurantis is already just a mediocre Serperior

Not only are the stats shit, a lot of new Pokemon have no fucking moves

>>30050198
Nevermind didn't notice that they only had one pokemon

Can someone explain to me how strategy works in singles? It looks like constant switch spam to me.

>>30050198
who would he switch out to friend?

>>30048583

>sweep a retard

wow, nice proof.

>>30050165
But anon, Bewear was a mistake

>>30050465
Yeah, they gave it an actually good ability/stat spread/movepool combo by mistake.

>>30046572
It's real time, just like every single pokemon game since gen 2. If you're playing Moon, AM and PM are swapped, but time still passes the same

>>30050358
see >>30050292

>>30040832
Currrently playing Showdown with him and Jesus Christ its awful.

>>30046572
>step 1: look at clock irl

Congratulations, you now know the time in game!

>>30050929
>Yeah, they gave it an actually good ability/stat spread/movepool combo by mistake
glad you agree. if only they fixed the design

>>30040832
Nice design
Good stats
Amazing signature move
Horrible ability

>Go Golispod
>Golispod took stealth Rock damage
>X used a neutral attack
>Emergency exit caused him to switch

Should have been arena trap or intimidate

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>>30051131
Forgot picture

>>30051131
What if it was the opposite of Wimp Out, where it forces the OPPONENT to switch out when it gets at 50% HP.

>>30051089
I agree that they were trying to make an entire generation of shitmon.

>>30041005
>Mar
>FUCKING
>Shadow

OP complaining over literally nothing. Ice Type got some new toys but the root problem still exists: No resistances and the only type that isn't damaged by hail. Hail would be a lot more popular if one or two more types were immune to the residual damage. IHail teams could run more varied teams.

>>30047607
National Dex in January; thats when the pokebank becomes available.

>>30051392
Of course it goes without saying that we riot and drown this board in flames if January passes and there's no national 'dex update for S/M, right?

>>30043009
Its ability is really interesting, he had alot of potential :/

>>30047607
I don't understand this complaint. it's not like you only have gen7 pokemon to play with, there's like 500 or something in the wild, right? from all the gens?

it's a regional dex that encompasses a ton of pokemon, are you just mad that they didn't put literally every single pokemon in the wild for you to catch? That's what trading from other games is for, always has been.

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>>30051333
>Sandstorm raises Special Defense of Rock Types
>Hail doesn't do anything for Ice types other than high Accuracy Blizzard

>>30051425
do you seriously think there's a fucking chance that when you transfer over a pokemon it will just shrug and go "i dunno aint got a pokedex entry for this one!"

It's not like there isn't a national dex, it's just that it's impossible to get non-regional pokemon at the moment, so you wouldn't even know if there was a national dex or not.

>>30040832
>DISAPPOINTMENTS
This thread.

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>>30051564
>It's not like there isn't a national dex, it's just that it's impossible to get non-regional pokemon at the moment, so you wouldn't even know if there was a national dex or not.
Except we've cracked the game wide open and the Pokedex entries for extra-regional Pokemon straight-up don't exist. Which means that yes, there is a non-zero chance that Game Freak goes full retard and doesn't update the games with the National Pokedex once bank comes out. Hell you can get things like the Johto Starters through Island Scan and they have NO Gen 7 Pokedex entries.

Will this change when Bank comes out? Almost certainly. Should it have been included from the start? Definitely yes.

>>30051333
Fire types should be immune to hail 2bh.

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>120 attack
>90 speed
>decent physical bulk
>great concept and design
Why did they have to cuck it make its HA impossible to get? Its supposed to travel in packs, but it only ever calls on Trumbeaks.

>>30042953
>mfw these things will fuck their smaller, younger, male counterparts to reproduce

THE FUCK???

>>30041127
Actually, do you have water bubble on it? Turns out it's like Huge Power for water moves in addition to the tanking bits.

>>30052263
>Evolutionary forms
>Younger

Only Babies can't reproduce, Pokemon like Weedle can lay eggs from birth

>>30051182
>free red card

top kek

>>30040968
the ony thing it lacks it's slightly better defenses

>>30046020
I'm not mad because it isn't strong enough to be overUSED. I'm mad because it's absolute shit.
>no bulk
>no speed
>Ice type
Even in-game it's an absolute disaster.

>>30047213
If that was their intention they'd have nerfed everything from older gens too. You can't "rearrange" shit by just throwing more shit on top of it.

>>30050365
nothing he did was really stupid

>>30047213
>all those butthurt fags that replied
Couldn't agree more my man

>>30049813
btfo

>>30050295
stat boosting and switch baiting

>>30040968
I used this in my playthrough because a friend wanted me to, and oh my fucking god it was such a let down. It was dead weight the entire time. I could've given its slot to something worth a damn, like maybe Araquanid or Salazzle or any fucking special attacker because my team ended up being entirely physical

>>30041172
Bewear can breed

>>30048362
I want to believe.

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>>30047550
Oh yeah. That's why he's still going to dominate OU, right?

>>30046897
It's specs set is pretty decent.

>>30051333
Ice will never get the buff it needs as long as Masuda is alive.

That buff being removing all Ice Moves from every non Ice/Water Water type and making Ice Resist Water and deal Super Effective damage.

Can you imagine how much that'd solve Ice Types problems?

Taking back the roll Water Types stole from them, and fucking Water Types up without remorse

>>30054096
t. Brycen

>>30048322
To be fair it seems quite powerful in doubles with a good trick room setter. I mean it's STABs hit like freight trains with iron fist, add in crabhammer and you can hit a lot of mons for a hefty chunk but yeah Fur Coat would fit really well. But hey at least we actually have a good Fur coat Pokemon now

>>30051089
But anon it's adorably derpy and can crush mans spine like puny egg

>Make a bunch of slow Pokemon
>DON'T MAKE A FUCKING TRICK ROOM SETTER

The problem is that the moment Gamefreak gives a Pokemon auto Trick Room, it's going to be on every fucking VGC and Single Team because it's the best strategy.

You basically open up a world of Pokemon whose neglected stat was speed and therefore have MASSIVE amounts in every other stat.

There will be no downside to running that mon.

>>30051562
And Aurora Veil also known as why Alolan Ninetales is awesome

>>30054281
What if to balance the power of its ability everything else fell by the wayside. Like how Mimikyuu has good but not great stats or Smeargle has a godly move pool but no offensive presence or how ditto is dependent on what the opponent uses

>>30054281
I thought one of the Tapus had a Trick Room ability

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>>30054281
Not needed. It would be silly to do, besides that.

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/765.shtml
>Known for its extreme intelligence, this Pokémon will look down on inexperienced Trainers, so it’s best suited to veteran Trainers.
>it’s best suited to veteran Trainers

>>30054478
Nope. They're all terrains.

>>30054384
It wouldn't work unless they made it too useless to use. People would invest entirely in it's Defenses and HP so it won't die so it gets it's ability.

The value of being able to not have to spend anything on Speed and to punish your opponent for running Speed is infinite.

>>30054509
damn. in that case I definitely agree, a Trick Room setter would be fucking dope

>no Hidden Ability capsule
>no Psychologist NPC that changes pokemon natures

>>30042953
Looks like a middle evolution

>>30042953
should been like Espurr where it had a different evolution for males and females.

male Salazzle could have looked like a shifty but suave mobster type

>Alolan Raichu doesn't learn Electric Terrain except as an egg move

Never dropped a Pokemon faster during an ingame team in my life

>>30040993
Dear lord this. Salsa bird is so good but the fact it learns no fire stab at all aside from that one move made me jump to cutiefly

>>30055189
>Pokemon looks cool, seems like it would be fun to use
>Check stats
>It has like base 50 Speed
>Even if it can OHKO opponents, it would end up eating an attack every turn
>Never use it

Slow Pokemon were a mistake.

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>>30040832
I was disappointed about the sheer amount of pokemon that don't evolve or only evolve once. And a majority of those that don't evolve are focused around gimmicks.

>Mimikyu doesn't evolve
>Komala doesn't evolve
>Salandit only evolves if it's female, which has a 12.5% chance of even being female
>Passimian and Oranguru don't have pre-evs or evolutions
>Minior and Pyukumuku don't evolve
>Sandygast only evolves once
>None of the Tapus evolve

The amount of alola form pokemon was a lot lower than I had hoped too. And some of the forms don't look very good.

>>30055461
>>None of the Tapus evolve
Why were you expecting them to evolve? They're Legenda-
Shit.

>>30042953
I seriously love her design but this has 'second stage evolution' written all over it. Could have been so much more.

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>>30042953
>It just gets sluttier

>>30054096
>>30054186
>t. Crasher Wake