This is the type of person that complains the game is too easy.

Is calling someone an alolan raticate an insult now

>>30032824
>Ass-Greninja

I wonder how many people on /vp/ actually play without exp share and more importantly on set.

>>30032837
Many.

Some people like it being piss easy. They love plowing through the game, hence all the all the autists complaining about cutscenes.

>>30032837
I did.
Lurantis and Mimikyu Totems were pretty challenging desu
and E4 Acerola

>>30032837
Me. The game is pretty challenging compared to XYORAS

reminder that 3D exp share is easy mode.

>>30032805

I caught a Crabrawler just before the trial, leveled it up to level 11 on yhe Pokemon in the cavern, and gave it Brick Break. I one shotted Raticate, without even getting a critical hit.

>>30032944
>look mommy i knew it'd be a normal-dark type so i caught a fighting type aren't I good???

>>30032837
Exp share doesn't matter, the people who complain about the game being easy would just use an extremely over leveled stater to steamroll everything in pre-gen6 games.

I prefer to play with it on but if I start having over leveled mons I switch them out for boxed/new ones.

>>30032837
>have never played with Exp. Share
>just kept playing on Switch instead of Set because of some weirf sense of nostalgia
I swear once I get Sun I'll play on Set and see how it goes

>>30032944
It's the first fucking trial, of course they're going to hide tools to defeat it. That's called decent game design - they're giving you an introduction to the concept of these totem pokemon, and it doubles as a test of new player's knowledge on type matchups.

>>30032837
I play without Exp Share but use the Switch setting since I found Set tedious and just not very fun

>>30032944
WOOOOOOW /vp/ SAID THIS WOULD BE HARD

>>30032837
>2016
>people still don't change to set before taking their first step
Fucking casuals

>>30032837
I play my first run of every game with a monotype team and this is the first time I'm regretting it because all the grass and electric types are pushing my shit in.

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>>30032837
>turn off Exp. Share
>prevents you from beeing overleveld

>play on Set instead on Switch
>forces you to be overleveld

The only thing turning Exp. Share off does is increase the amount of time you have to spend mindlessly grinding.

Just play on Set if you want a marginal increase in difficulty.

>>30032837
I play with Exp Share on, with Set on.

IIima's Smeargle almost rekt my entire team.

>>30033139
>>turn off Exp. Share
>>prevents you from beeing overleveld
xp sharedoen't increse teh exp so you are wrong. shitters always use their starter as lead and gets no benefit from the share. You probably don't either.

I've been leveling about level with the trainers in game. I've avoided wild battles almost completely because of the call mechanic, as it is frustrating as fuck. Worked out very well though.

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>>30033530
>xp sharedoen't increse teh exp
Yes it does.

>>30033139
>Set forces you to be overleveled

More like forces you to get good, Switch is actually fucking garbage and lets you just counter every single Pokémon with no penalty.

Here's the vibe I'm getting so far from both my (minimal) play time and what I've seen and read online

If you build a versatile team with wide coverage and types you'll probably still steamroll most of the game, assuming you make the logical choices in battle. But you can't faceroll the game with a team of whatever you felt like using the way you could in XY, so if you have an unbalanced team (monotype, nuzlocke, etc) you're likely to run into some challenges.

Sound about right?

>>30034021
Does it work the same in Sun and Moon as it did in X&Y?

>>30034510
Yes, except they also use the gen 5 EXP scaling to prevent overleveling.

>>30033015
So you're a noob? Just say that instead.

>>30034087
Set forces you to give a ton more EXP to your strongest mon than you otherwise would.

>>30032837
I play with exp share ON and Shift Battle style. If I want a challenge I'll play a hackrom. Turning both of makes it more tedious and it's not a challenge.

>>30034533
>2000+16
>unironically using the word noob
How are you enjoying your first day on 4chan?

>>30034540
Or you just switch out pokes mid battle or at the end of the battle.

>>30032837
>>30033139
Set does not make the game harder, just more tedious to train your Mons.

The only game I've ever played on Set was ORAS and it was also the easiest. EXP Share was off.

>>30032837
Exp share doesn't matter anymore, i played with it on and set and everything but two mons getting refresh boosts were the same level as opposing trainers (and the ones who did get the boost were 5 levels higher which is not much)

>>30032837
I'm doing that, along with boxing the starter and only catching the first new mon on each route. Ilima gave me problems, and I was definitely not prepared for Sina.

Now, I'm almost at the water trial and I have nothing to beat water-types with.

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>>30032805
Try something with a neckbeard.

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>>30032837

that is pretty much the only way to play

new exp share makes people only use their starter and they never actually use their other mons in battle, its horribad.

getting a free switch on a KO shouldn't even exist either, it completely kills any sort of come back the enemy could have and makes new players spoiled because then they get to the tower/subway/tree/online and realize the game lied to them and now they have to use set.

>>30035095
It does, because when you defeat a pokemon and the trainer sends something strong against your pokemon, you are forced to either let it faint or switch out and endanger the switch in. I was playing with Set and was pretty much forced to run VoltTurn in my team so I could at least have the switch advantage again.

>>30032837
Doing this plus a blind nuzlocke for even more difficulty

>>30034467
Pretty much, or I at least noticed this doing the nuzlocke, forces you to play a little smarter (I find myself having to rely on my Alola Grimer's Disable to safely switch into something)

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>Salazzle totem fight

>>30032805
My level 14 Cabrawler OH KO'ed it with Brickbreak.

I'm playing with exp share on since I'm training an Oricorio currently. I'll probably switch it off once I get to the second island

>>30036127
By far the most hardest fight I had to do. I had to use 5 revives and try to calculate how much Flame burst would do. I also had to bank on the salandit not trying to venoshock me. I won with 8 HP and my Dartix was 2 levels higher.

>>30036127
>Tfw defeated Totem Salazzle's fight easily
>Totem Lurantis destroyed my whole team, even one-shot my Salazzle

>>30032805
Can you get any wild Pokemon in SM underleveled, now?

>>30036003
I think Set makes the difficult games more difficult, but the easy Pokemon games aren't affected much.

Like, I'm playing FRLG now and if I think about it, Set would fucking tear me apart because they Gym Leaders are already a challenge. Fuck Koga. Did not know Acid Armor even existed in Gen 3

>>30036127
What?

>Mudbray used High Horsepower!
>Salazzle Fainted!

Literally the easiest totem for me so far.

>>30036317
>HAHAHA HIGH BP SUPEREFFECTIVE MOVES ONESHOT A FRAIL POKEMON HAHAHA
Stop.

>>30036346
The fuck is your issue?

All I'm saying is that the totem really isn't that difficult at all because all the routes leading up to the volcano have a really good ground type every third encounter

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>>30036317

>>30032805
I've actually enjoyed the level of challenge this gen so far. The hand holding is whats getting to me, but I just got to the second island, so maybe it'll stop soon?

>>30034021
Shouldn't it be 50% for starter and then divide the other %50% evenly among your others?

>>30036637
Whether or not it should be is a bit beside the issue. I believe what it's done since X and Y was it gives the mon in front full EXP, and then gives every mon in your party that didnt fight 50% of the exp your lead got. It basically creates EXP out of nowhere.

>>30036637
You just described Gen I's Exp. Share.

>>30032805
Anything allowed by the game is fair game. It's up to the player to find the best way to beat a game.
As it is the game is piss-easy, like every Pokèmon game.

>>30036528
It's nowhere near as bad as the first island, though there's still quite a few cutscenes(Though most are more story related.)

>>30036069
> (I find myself having to rely on my Alola Grimer's Disable to safely switch into something)
Brionne's Encore is also good for that. Though I'm a little disappointed that it doesn't stop Z-Moves from being used, even if the Z-Move is of a different type than the move being encored.

>>30032837
I do. It's still far easier than platinum or BW2 challenge mode.

first trial was rough

>>30037155
They literally give you Brick Break in the Cave so you can deal with the Totem.

>>30037137
duh

platinum is the hardest game in the series and BW2 challenge is just bullshit (higher level pokemon that obligate you to grind isn't much fun)

>>30037155
Based crab+brick break

to bad it becomes a fucking monstrosity with shit typing and stats

>>30037183
Not him, I didn't have anything that could learn Brick Break. I ended up winning with Mud Slap spam and paralysis though.

>>30037202
>Obligate you to grind
It doesn't though. It just makes you pool all your resources towards strategizing for the hard fights.

>>30032858

Not if you start with Litten, I steamrolled Lurantis and Mimikyu only gave me a small amount of trouble.

>>30037155
I just spammed Rowlet's grass move that hits multiple pokemon.

>>30032837
im playing with xp share and the game is still kicking my ass

>>30032837
Set doesn't really matter when trainers only have 1-2 Pokémon.

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I've came from ..other boards.. seeing a lot of threads complaining about the game being hard, and of course people defending it.
But my question is,

When were the handheld Pokemon games ever a hard??

I pretty much played every game up to Platinum and I have never struggled or ever said, "well shit, now I have to grind"
EXCEPT for Whitney back on the original G/S/C

Just had the Wishiwashi fight, ended up being really fun and even cinematic

Started off with Mudsbray, knew he'd fall but figured he'd get a hit off at least, which he did

Followed with Wingull, who used Air Cutter to start whittling down the totem and get rid of the first Wishiwashi add... then the totem summoned an Alomomola and things got dicey.

First turn it was out it Helping Handed the totem who then hit with a rain boosted Water Gun. Wingull critted with Air Cutter which helped, but next turn Alomomola used Healing Pulse, putting the totem back to about 2/3rds health.

Wingull got off one more Air Cutter and put down the Alomomola, but then fell, the totem on a bit over half health and my last pokemon being Torracat. Against a water totem in the rain.

First turn I use Bite in hope of a miracle flinch, and it happens! I go for another one, but no second flinch, instead a Water Gun puts Torra on to literally one HP remaining!

The totem is on about 1/3 health. I know bite won't finish it off, the strongest hitting move I have on my Cat aside from the fire ones is Acrobatics. I hit and... the totem survives. Water Gun.

"Torracat heard your warning shout and jumped out of the way!"

Cleaning and feeding my pokemon after battles with Refresh paid off big there. One more Acrobatics and its over and the Water Z Crystal is mine.

It honestly felt like something out of the anime, really looking forward to the other totems now.

I reallly liked sun. Thought it actually had a decent level of difficulty although it was more due to my poor team planning than anything else. Wiped on the fire totem 10 times because I had no water mon and salazzle was a fucking monster.

Incredibly hard to go out of your way to grind after you run out of trainers because of the 5th gen exp curve.

Played on set with exp share turned on

Team ended up being about the same as the e4's levels and I'm pretty content with that. Didn't need to spam revives and full restores during the e4 fights, but between fights, almost everyone on my team had to be healed.

>>30034855
>weak mon gets 2HKOed
>forced back into your heavy-hitter
>problem only gets worse because of uneven EXP distribution

>>30036127
>tfw had Wishiwashi and destroyed the water and fire totems

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>>30032824

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I hope you all like random boss battle out of nowhere.

>>30032837
I play mostly on Set.
Sometimes I forget to switch it on at the beginning.
As for EXP share, this one is done much better than XY/ORAS's, but I kept it off until the very end of the story at which point I said fuck it and left it on.

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why are there two spots when you register Tauros?

>>30039484
Miltank
They buddies.

>>30039484
Miltank

>>30039497
>>30039499
oh I get it, thanks.

Is there no way to stop and change your team in battle tree without losing progress?

>>30032837

I'm playing with exp share on and Sun version is STILL far more challenging than XY, by a longshot.

In XY you'd have to be literally retarded to let even one of your pokemon faint ever, in Sun/Moon the totem pokemon and kahunas and even some of the regular NPCs can wreck your shit if you're not prepared.

>>30032837
I played without. It was honestly one of the more difficult Pokémon games with it off.

>tried to Stun Spore Lycanroc with Ribombee
>it's actually slower

Is my team supposed to be a bunch of shitmons or something? I can't seem to outspeed anything.

That red card trainer was surprisingly tricky, and then Hala went and put Pursuit on all his fighting types. I like how Game Freak is actually trying this time with fights.

>>30040446
Either you were lower level or have a bad nature, Ribombee is faster than Lycanroc

>>30036693
I thought gen 1 was you gave it to a pokemon to hold and then it was 50/50 between main and the holder

>>30040502
It's a neutral nature and only a level difference of 2. I almost want to give up on speed and just try making a really bulky team.

>>30040563
No, Gen I split it between the entire party but you didn't get bonus xp like Gen VI and VII

The first trial is a face roll eitherway, they even have the Brick Break TM laying around in the trial site.

Water and Grass can be hard depending on your team, Fire in both my runs went down easy, but I'll give it benefit of the doubt.

The real challenge isn't the first totem, it's that kahuna steamrolling your team with All-Out Pummeling and Power-Up Crab

>>30040563
ayyy

pokemon couldn't hold items in gen 1 buddy.

>tfw this is becoming arcane knowledge

>>30040697
It's been 17 years since I played gen 1 dude forgive me for not remembering that.

On multiple occasions I've had to look up whether or not dual types existed in gen 1 or not.

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>>30032837
I'm playing on Set, and while I've been using the Exp Share I've been trying to ration it. I'll leave it on for a little while to help some mons catch up in levels, and then turn it off when I want to train separate mons.

Pic unrelated.

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>lost to Hau

Can I just die? I'm clearly too stupid for this.

>>30040966
No lies, his Raichu-A on the 3rd island almost nailed me. because I didn't have any good ground/dark types yet. Now that I have Flygon and my Torracat evolved it shouldn't be an issue though.

>>30040991
I don't know what's wrong. Everyone has 5 levels on me. All my mons are level 24 with my best at 27, he has a level 28 Raichu. This is ridiculous.

>>30038041
Because most of vp is whiny shits with massive nostalgia goggles.

It was the fps issues that really killed the mood for me

>>30041032
Game is designed around exp-share this time around.

And if you are using it, you're obviously skipping trainers.

>>30040966
He fucked me too. Raichu too op.

>>30041367
I'm not using it at all. But it still sucks ass to think about. I'm shitty at a children's video game. I'm not feeling so hot about my team either.

>>30038729
>grind a little bit
>break the cycle

incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>30032944
>x4 effective

>>30035892
He's complaining about the fact that the fuckwit is using Ash-Greninja for the first totem, not comparing the fuckwit to an Alolan Raticate.
>>30036127
>>30036289
>tfw I didn't want to find out what it could do and just blasted out Z-Scald from Brionne turn 1
Fucking Mimikyu totem battle though. God damn.

>>30032805
>about to face this trial
>pokemon are all level 14 even though i don't use exp share
What did I do wrong

>>30032805
The game is still too easy desu, it's a steady ride from start to finish.

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>>30032805
Honestly? I couldn't care less about how hard the games should be, or even about completing the story. All I want is a new region to explore and more Pokemon to catch.

I think I'd like the main series more if the game was set up like Zelda: Breath of the Wild; no linear way forward, limited hand-holding, and requirements being set only by the environment that you need to overcome.

>>30032837
I play EXP Share off, but I do use switch. If I have to go through a gauntlet of trainers that out number me in pokemon, I'm giving myself the edge in that regard.

>>30043814
Fucking this.

All the fences and foot high cliffs forcing you into one single path that gets interrupted by constant cutscenes makes me want to kill myself.

>>30032837
>play on set
>90% of trainers just have one mon anyways
whatever!

>>30038188
>"Torracat heard your warning shout and jumped out of the way!"
well that answers my question of how absurd the refresh boosts are, now I know to avoid it like amie.

>>30032837
I do.

I also only use three underleveled wild pokemon from the area. It's really fun because it forces you to use a lot of strategy.

>>30041597
>grinding
>fun

>>30044034
Also, I'm so pissed at the pokemon constantly making double battles when they get weak, I've been trying to catch fucking harambe for a half hour because he keeps summoning Trumbeaks and I can't get a chance to catch him

>>30044034
>>30044118
>same retard that thinks pokemon should be open world makes harambe jokes
this is really epic

>>30044149
Different retard bruh, I was just continuing off his point

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>>30044149
Anon.

>>30041597
>subjecting yourself to tedium because you want to be hardcore
ebin

>>30038729
>Set weak mon on front
>It always gets XP as long as you don't get it killed
>If it's too weak, just switch it inmediately
Wow anon, it's like you didn't read the trainer tip that tells you to put your weak mons in front that exists in EVERY SINGLE GAME.

>>30044394
>EVERY SINGLE GAME
Self-correction: I somehow believed this, but it appears to not to be the case. It's only mentioned in the first tip in RSE and ORAS: "Any Pokémon that appears even once in a battle is awarded Exp. Points. To raise a weak Pokémon, put it at the top of the team list. As soon as a battle starts, switch it out. It will earn Exp. Points without being exposed to any harm."

>>30032805
Seeing overleveled teams makes me want to vomit. Esp when I know some of these players are older than me. Utterly disgusting. Granted I did the same thing when first started out, but I eventually realized that I was breaking the game and was far from getting the most out of it.

>>30033015
Same. Set never makes the game very hard, just means I have to buy some extra healing items

4 hrs of gameplay just beat the first totem pokemon
Exp off
Switch on
5 poke party
I grinded til all my mons were level 11-13
Totem knocked one of my Pokémon out because I actually wanted to beat one of the mons thay got called to help

The game is really fun
I love the formula change

Just take it easy. Don't rush. Enjoy it and the game will be nice

>>30041032
>I'm 5 levels behind the NPC trainers
That sounds perfectly normal? It happens to me in every game.

>have exp share on
>spend 5 hours trying to get a shiny horse
>now all of my pokemon have max attack evs
apparantly you can eventually get restaurants that reset evs, any proof of this?
Or am I ditching my mons

>>30040991
>tfw one shot Raichu-A with Spirit Shackle
Thanks Decidueye

>>30044602
Are you ditching them because they are too strong? Otherwise what's the fucking point if you will end up breeding better ones for online?

>>30044684
No, as in 4 are special attackers with max attack, it's unsettling

>>30036127
>Dugtrio used Mud-Slap!
I was a bit depressed that it died so easily

>>30033312
mad cuz bad