Was Sun and Moon Rushed?

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Kek, good bait

OP that is like saying was X and Y/Gen 3 remakes was rushed

Its bad enough I am realizing my 3DS now has this recurring habit of turning off everytime I close the lid but thankfully it doesn't send me back far enough to even get mad

The 2nd they introduce fashion as a concept flashbacks of X and Y popped into my head...worthless cosmetics to waste your shitloads of money on

I had 35K come the end of the Pokémon Trainer School

>>30030109

>someone took the time to make this shitty bait image, in the universe where our time is finite and we are wasting away by the very second, murdered the moment we were conceived

What was the previous "not-Pokemon"?
Serious question by the way.

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>>30030146

Pokestar Studios

>>30030114

I can't even understand what you're trying to say.

>>30030085
Yes. It's ridiculous rushed.

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>>30030146

Like seriously. This Ultra Beasts shit is just a re-hash.

>>30030114
>worthless cosmetics to waste your shitloads of money on
They're optional, and some of us really like customisation, faggot.

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>>30030315

Seconded.

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>>30030146

Tell me I'm not wrong.

>>30030085
You honestly think Type:Null's Normal typing was due to laziness?
it's name in other languages is Code Zero

Triple/quadruple typings will never be a thing and you know it

And we really haven't had "not-Pokemon" Pokemon. The things in Pokestar studios don't count, cause ya can't catch them or use them in any way

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>>30030393

>His name has different translations, your argument is invalid.
>They haven't done weird stuff with typing before *cough*Flying Press*cough* so they never will, your argument is invalid.
>Non-Pokemon sprites you CAN'T catch and non-Pokemon sprites you CAN catch are totally different, your argument is invalid.

Do you even think before you start Pokemon at your keyboard, Anon?

>>30030350

Ibuki is worst girl

If your favorite girl isn't Junko, Mikan, Toko or Chihiro you need to KYS

>>30030530
"before you start Pokemon at your keyboard"

Autocorrected poking to Pokemon XD

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>>30030551

Haven't even played. Her reaction pics are just immaculate.

>>30030586

She gets killed by real best girl

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>>30030637

>>30030262
>>30030288
Literally what the fuck?

>>30030682

?

>>30030085
remember when your parents said you would grow out of video games.

>>30030743

I basically have I prefer Artwork more then Gaming.

>>30030085
Yes it was rushed, and they probably had their B-team on it as well. That's why they don't have quantity or quality in the designs.

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>>30030743

I don't remember anything my parents said to me.

>>30030085
have your (you)

>>30030369
you are

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>>30031008

hurr durr, look at me

>>30030085
Basically you had ridiculous expectations and you're crying about it.

>>30031088

Actually didn't. Looked like shit from the moment I saw it, just got worse. Lul-ing at everyone loving this shit game.

I always buy the new Nintendo handheld when Pokemon comes out.
The Advance SP was out by the time Ruby/Sapphire was released.
The DS Lite was out by the time Platinum was released.
The 3DS sold like shit for a year and a half before X and Y came out.
Nintendo is finally getting their shit together - their new machine has a name that is not fucking retarded and a game people give a fuck about.

>>30031088
I don't agree with OP and his complaints are really vapid compared to actual issues with SM like the neverending cutscenes, but expecting a game to be as good as its predecessors is not a ridiculous expectation.

>>30031186
>and a game people give a fuck about

What did they announce for the Switch? I thought we only know about the new Zelda, which is a multiplat so I'm probably just going to grab it on Wii U.

>>30030085
You do know that typeless isn't that hard to code-in right? Like, Arcanine can become typeless after using Burnout.

Everything else is just
>overly entitled and opinionated 12 year old

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>>30030085
You sound like a 10 year old entitled shithead, OP.
Just so you know.

>>30031186
>>30031194
>>30031228

>I don't share that opinion so vapid, non-real issues, 12 year old, geheheheheh
>Too A.D.D. for cutscenes, now THAT'S a REAL issue. Oh and your complaints are still invalid.
>Can't even recognize basic design failures and half-assery when it's paraded in front of them

Ya'll must have Nintendo's cock deep down your throat.

(recognition of the point made w/ Burnout, however... but just makes GF seem even lazier imo)

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>>30031228
>>30031376

Oh jeez, I must be regressing.

>>30031408
Type: Null having its own special type or Cosmog being uninspired are not on the same level of being unable to play the game uninterrupted.

>Nintendo's cock deep down your throat

I just said there are issues with SM. I'm not done with the game yet but if I were to rate what I've played, the ratings would go
4 > 5 > 3 > 2 > 7 > 1 > 6

SM have been disappointing, don't assume I'm a Nintendrone just because I think you have silly priorities.

>>30031446
>4
You mean platinum/hg/ss right? I would put diamond/pearl right at the fucking buttom of the list.

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>>30031446

We have different opinions on what is important, but saying our opinions are on "different levels" is the only thing here that sounds opinionated, entitled, pompous, (synonyms)....

When it comes down to it, you spent $40 for a brat's game with a sillified story and you just want to go super Sonic gotta-go fast through it, and because you can't you're mad. After you've spent a GRUELING, what, 1-2 hours total watching these extra cutscenes (if that), the game comes down to the Pokemon in it.

And they're fucking dumb.

It offers no new challenge to the game, like a typeless Pokemon you can't be super effective against, no new Pokemon with a bit more complicated type combination to consider, or the ability to switch types on the fly, nothing at all to challenge the overly complicated rock-paper-scissors game that Pokemon has remained as since Red and Green.

>>30031552
If it's a brat's game with a sillified story, why the hell would I want to sit through it? You just admitted the story is thoughtless shit for brats. Pokémon has never had a good story, I don't play Pokémon for the story, and constantly shoving it in my face and not giving me even the slightest freedom ruins the experience for me. No Pokémon game has been this railroaded or this frequent in cutscenes.

And nobody's going to use Type: Null competitively, it has a fucking evolution with Multitype.

>>30031622

>If it's a brat's game with a sillified story, why the hell would I want to sit through it?

I don't know, you're the one who bought it, not me.

>And nobody's going to use Type: Null competitively, it has a fucking evolution with Multitype.

Exactly. Wasted opportunities abound.

>>30031718
Elekid is wasted potential.
Nobody's going to use it over electabuzz or electivire

>>30031782

All baby Pokemon are pointless, dumbest concept they released to date. Only one with any real point was Tyrogue.

>>30030085
>>Almost all of the Alolan forms are bastardizations, sans Marowak, Exeggutor, and Ninetails.
Really? You love Ninetails but now Sandshrew?

I love Sandshrew and kind of like nine tails

>>30031228
it was coded in gen 2 as the ???-type. Arceus even had a form for it gen 4.

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>>30031809

Shrew and Slash are ok, but I would have preferred them being the Ground-Steel conversion than the tarded new Hairtrio.

Swapping two Gen 1, single evolution Pokemon to Ice type and bleaching their color pallets the exact same way is pretty uninspired.

>>30031858
Yea, which is why I think Shrew and Slash are better than vulpix/ninetails

>>30031827

An inaccessible form, but yeah.

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>>30031866

Eh, at least Vulp and Tails are cute.

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>>30031878
You say that as if A. Sandshrew isn't the cutest thing ever.

>>30030085
>>Type: Null is Normal type, instead of being the one and only typeless Pokemon. Imo they got lazy and didn't want to deal with the coding hangups.

translation: they didn't service my headcanon so obviously they must be incompetent

you're one weird kind of dickhead dude

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>>30032061
Cuter without a retard helmet.

>>30032161

No, it just doesn't make any sense. They named it "Type: Null" and "Code Zero" or whatever, and then just made it a regular old, everyday Normal type.

>>30032165
It's an igloo dude.

It's an igloo penguin thing.

It's adorable

>>30032181
>They named it "Type: Null" and "Code Zero" or whatever, and then just made it a regular old, everyday Normal type.
It's a fucked up combination of Pokemon which is why it fucked up the Pokedex.

I've only played the demo so far, but what really looked rushed to me was the goddamn framerate. They've had three mainline games to fix it, but it only got worse. It's pretty inexcusable for a company that sells as many games as Gamefreak to put so little effort in actually producing games of a decent quality.I wouldn't mind if they were minor drops - any game has that. But during totem battles it drops to 5-10fps.

fuck off, retard

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>>30032264

>>30032249
It drops frames? I don't know what 3DS you are using but mine stays steady the whole time.

If this game is rushed in your eyes, then so is every pokemon game

>>30030085
All new pokemon games suck. you should know that by now anon.

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>>30032301

Calm down, tard-o-tron. Reply to individual comments so we can tell who you're spewing your autistic one-liners at.

>>30030085
Hey, at least it's more inspired and better put together than any gen 4 or 5 game.

>>30032301
>>30032338

New games are adding like 72 Pokemon, some stupid stuff, yet have huge budgets and staff.

Gold and Silver had massive limitations and still included 100 new Pokemon and two regions.

Yeah, the new games are prettier, but my God has the passion died.

>>30032364
You do know 3D models take more time to make than sprites, r-right?

>>30032415

Sure, but they have crews of ulti-Japs working on this shit. It's like nothing for them.

And a lot of assets are re-used.

>>30032364

Gamefreak doesn't want to rush the franchise to 1000 pokes, each mon costs money to brand.

Right now Pokemon as an intellectual property is overblown and many mons are double-dipping old concepts.

I for one, welcome the quality over quantity model- granted they actually put some thought into who they're adding. Also there are plenty of Pokemon that could use a new gimmick or two to refuel their relevance.

Agree with OP on most
Type Null could have actually been interesting for typing, as with the anchor Mon
Alolan forms look mostly terrible, but 99% of the shinies look fucking terrible So what did I expect

>>30032285
Really? Perhaps they did fix it in the full version, then.

I'm just using a regular 3DS XL, and the totem battle just really bugged me. I don't usually pay attention to FPS issues, but it was just so noticeable there.

>>30030682
I thought i know everything about pokemon until i saw these pictures too....

>>30031226
there's supposedly a "pokemon star" being the 3rd game to sun and moon that is on there

What are some examples of non-rushed games? Crystal, Emerald and B2/W2?

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>it's another Pokebarneyfag thread

>>30031122
=>Lul-ing at everyone loving this shit game
What does this even mean? Why does this matter if you're laughing at people having fun?

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>>30030085
>could complain that the engine is still shit and fps drops constantly
>could complain that every trainer has the same intro music
>complains about nothing instead

>hasn't played the game
>feels like he has a valid opinion on whether or not the game was rushed

>>30030085
>Null's evolution is just mini-Arceus, instead of being every type
That would give him 1 weakness, Rock, 8 immunities, and 4 resistances.

>>30030558
>XD
GET THE FUCK OUT NORMIE GOFAG

>>30030085
Fine, I'll pull the bait.
>Not an opinion but a guess, so it can be and is wrong. ??? type was removed and will not be reintroduced simply because there's no point to it. Normal is the default type, get over it.
>Mini-Arceus is the theme, it represents humanity's potential to achieve great things while still being outclassed by the raw power of nature, which gods were invented to represent.
>Not the first dual type mon to ditch potential types to adjust to the two type system the best way it fits; the "half-assed" ability is the to-go solution for adding a third type, just look at Flygon.
>The "magikarps" are just the larval and cocoon stages, we've had plenty throughout the years. This route is actually more effective in order to give the final form more importance, it's basically a "don't leave it unevolved" incentive.
>With the exception of metal zit, metal zits and bobblehead, alolan kantomons are fine or better. Golem is quite creative and breaks from the plain brown "guy in a walnut" that's regular Golem.
>UBs are Pokémon, pokewood opponents are not.
>Only 3 superficial similarities with OI: local variants, minigame gyms and archipelago setting.

>>30030085
The game is set up for an obvious sequel, which is what I hope Stars will be on the switch. Another set of two games taking place right after SM

>>30037113
But the story is done and feels over unlike it was in BW

>>30037134
i'd like to believe the empty lots will actually be used for something

>>30037134
>Story is done
>So many undeveloped areas in Alola
>Created a Pokemon League
>Nearly every NPC you meet wants to go to Kanto and a system is being developed to move quickly between both Kanto and Alola


okay

Is anybody else's game slowing down during battles? Does the game run better on the New3DS (I have a 2DS currently).

>>30033235
They absolutely did not fix the framerate. The first Totem battle was absolutely fucked with framerate. This game is a disaster

>>30037384
I'm overlocking my N3DS and it slows down at times.

>Alolan Marowak's level-up movepool
Did anyone playtest this shit?

>>30037578
I have a N3DS XL and the framerate was fine for me. However, on my old 3DS XL I noticed the lag for in the demo so maybe it's hardware.

>>30030085
It looks more like bad planning to me.
They had too many ideas. but not enough time/budget to implement them well.

Pokemon sun and moon feels like it was made by people who were pokemon fans, but who didn't know anything about making games.

>>30030085
SM is rushed but not for any of the reasons you listed it for

>>30033483
>thinks he knows everything about pokemon
>hasn't played bw2, arguably the pokemon game with the most content in the entire series.
kek

>>30038503
this
None of the reasons given by OP are results of a lack of time or budget.

>>30031122
>look at all these faggots having fun and liking things hoho what a bunch of assholes
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>30030114
>The 2nd they introduce fashion as a concept flashbacks of X and Y popped into my head...worthless cosmetics to waste your shitloads of money on

That's a good thing though, in Gen IV I had almost max pokedollars with literally nothing to spend them on other than a few hundred dollars to breed pokemon

>>30031552
>>30031622
>>30031718
what the fuck are you even talking about the plot of SuMo is better than the all the others in the franchise
litterally complaining about stupid shit

>>30030085
>rushed
>with these move animations
This has to be bait.

>>30038639
watch out anon this is a unovabortion thread

>>30030085
I feel like there was originally meant to be a trial (or kahuna battle) for each type, but then they decided not to fit them all in and so you got characters like the Fairy captain just handing you the Z-Crystal or just finding the Ice Z-Crystal in the middle of the last area.

>>30038683
Unova was good, but come on
Plot wise
7>5>4>6>3>2>1

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If you consider Sun and Moon rushed then do tell how did you feel about XY

>Type: Nulls helmet is said to inhibit its true potential
>When it evolves it discards its helmet but only gains a measly 50 speed

REEEEEE

>>30038879
People have said every pokemon game for the past 3 years has been rushed. I think it's just the stock shitpost at this point.

>>30038888
nice quads
but yes, silvally could have been better.
still good tho

>>30038888
>its true potential
Which is changing types depending on what it's holding and using Multi-Attack.
>measly 50 speed
The helmet weighed it down. Type: Null and Silvally are the same Pokemon except Null has the helmet on.

X/y felt rushed and lacking in fucking everything. Moon and Sun is 5 times the game last gen was.

>>30032477
>refuel their relevance

Freakin' this. Some Pokemon seem to have really prominent themes and lots of character and uniqueness while some are bland as shit. There seems to be a correlation between some older Pokemon and boring concepts (although there are some exceptions), which sometimes makes things look kind of off from gen to gen. I think diving back into the older gens are touching up a few of the more blander Pokemon couldn't hurt. Second gen could really use some love.

Dis thread got funny, hurr hurr

>>30030085
>20 year anniversary
You tell me op

>>30030085
Ok this has to be bait.

There are legitimate things you could call rushed in SM but none of these are it

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>>30032477
>quality over quantity

We're not getting much of either. So many Pokémon in SM are shitmons with stat spreads that make them painful to use (I'm not even talking competitively, I'm struggling not to drop Lurantis because it's not pulling its weight), and there are too many one-stage or two-stage Pokémon whose evolutionary line doesn't feel complete.

>>30032415
I'm not usually a "sprites > models" guy, but if you're making a change to your games that massively decreases the content you can make, don't fucking do that change.

>>30040806
>but if you're making a change to your games that massively decreases the content you can make, don't fucking do that change.
Gen 5's dex had way too many fucking pokemon and I'd much prefer a dex of this size than that again.

6th gen's was pretty tiny but I never even really noticed until I saw a graphic that had all of them

>>30041037
The only problem with Gen V's dex is that it has too many clones like Golem/Gigalith, Tauros/Bouffalant, Luvdisc/Alomomola, etc., and some of those clones are still worthwhile statwise. There are a few really, really bad Pokémon like Vanilluxe, but every Gen has a few really, really bad Pokémon.

I will admit I prefer something like Hoenn's size, but Unova's Dex is a lot more appealing to me than Kalos' or Alola's.

>>30041119
Vanilluxe line wasn't even THAT bad but it really doesn't deserve to be a 3-mon line.

Getting rid of the simis is the first step

>>30030530
I agree with him your argument seems based on a flimsy base

>>30030085
The only reason I wish type null was typeless is so that we'd have a trading card with the zero cost icon where the type icon should be. I didn't really consider which combos a typeless card could create, but I'd love to see that.

>>30032181
>>30032161
>>30030085
>coding hangups
They had already made type ??? back in gen 2, reused it for Arceus too, if they wanted to make him like that they could have.

Battle Tree is literally a Battle Tower with only the essential NPCs. Not even a small city like in XY.

Fucking Ruby and Sapphire had more NPCs to talk with in Battle Tower. It doesn't gets more rushed than this.

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>>30030551
>Implying pic related isn't best girl

>>30030085
>Sun and Moon is Rushed
>The reason: It doesn't cater to me specifically / this one pokemon doesn't conform to my expectations.
I don't see how those things are related at all.

>>30038639
Isn't he saying that he wants less plot getting in the way of his games? I know I've felt like pokemon has gotten easier and filled with more wasted seconds. I've always turned off battle animations and set text speed to max, but even so I have to wait and wait between dialog in the cut scenes because I can read much faster then the shitty animations tied to the text to play out. It's like pulling nails.

That said, even though I have to make up some extra rules to make the game feel even a little challenging, and even though the cutscenes grate on me, I'm still enjoying the game.

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>>30038639
>SuMo

>>30030288
It's not even that, they're literally just Pokemon.

Just fucking look at Zygarde

>Got no ability that helps it

>The Complete form should just be a changeable form at will, not a ability required transformation

>Its stats are fucking badly distributed, HP is essentially wasted due to Zygarde always being not at full health after transforming due to taking LOTS OF FUCKING DAMAGE

Most cucked Legendary since Regigigas, especially regarding its ability

>>30030085
All of your complaints are pretty shallow.
>Why would a "typeless" pokemon be good?
>Why would "all types" be good?
>You are ignoring that anchors ability, which effectively gives it triple STAB
>why is the evolving legendary bad?
>How do you define bastardization? I happen to like Golem

The whole industry is based on being spoonfed stuff, and the fact that you are invested enough in the brand to get mad about changes and have arbitrary but strong personal feelings about elements related to that brand demonstrates that you have an awful lot emotionally invested in this game while simultaneously preemptively criticizing your detractors for being angry.

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>>30030085
>Typless type
>Every-type
> triple type
Nice bait OP