Active narratives that railroad the player and force them to

>>29993855

>JRPG
>Exploration

Pick one

>>29993855
Nah I like my standard RPG story bullshit.

>>29993855
100% agree.
Unfortunately the board is filled with unovabortions that can't appreciate stories unless they are forcibly spoonfed to them.

>>29993855
I would enjoy both an active narrative as well as lots of hidden lore. Why not both?

>>29993913
Play DQ some time

>>29993855
How is SuMo in terms of nonessential exploration, with XY as all-time low and Platinum as all-time high?

>>29993855
Don't most pokemon games have both?

So what happened at Sea Mauville? It was just a station that closed? Why?

>>29993855
Actually there needs to be a balance. Like the old "show don't tell" motto for storytelling. Show people something, and hint to where you could learn more if interested.

Not just shove exposition in your face. But also don't hide lore in some random far spot you may never be told about like your pic

>>29993969
The all time High is HGSS. The only mandatory natural dungeons in that game are Union Cave and Ilex Forest

>>29993855
I don't think the former is an issue, but I definitely prefer the latter. I actually find the story and lore of HGSS and Platinum to be better than BW and BW2 as it felt more natural.

I miss the feeling of coming into a story that was already underway vs a story that feels like it started right as you started the game

>>29994075
>The all time High is HGSS
Lmao, the dungeons are all tiny, and you forgot that whirl islands and slowpoke well are also mandatory. There's fuck all to explore compared to Platinum.

>>29993945
The former takes away control and decision-making from the player.

>>29993855
>should be rewarded and encouraged.

Rewarded with what? Everytime I just get cockblocked.
>Had to wait several years to fully give the Ruins of Alph some backbone with the Arceus plot
>Hey here's this mauville power plant, it has 44 floors! But you can't go there, use your imagination~

>>29993969
>SuMo
Get off this board

ok ?
You still couldn't skip team magma/aqua

>>29993855
>JRPGs shouldn't have a narrative!
>Every RPG needs to do a story like SOULS
No.

>>29994322
Pokemon isn't a game where you have that kind of decision making and it's never been that kind of game.

>>29994075
Too bad dark cave, mt mortar, etc are a whole big nothing.

>>29995936
I'm not talking Mass Effect kind of decision making. Just where you want to go and who you want to talk to next. If you don't want to listen to an NPC, you shouldn't have to. If you want to go left instead of right, you should be allowed to.

>>29994293
They're not that small at all though. At least, definitely not as small as in later games, where many of the dungeouns are one or two rooms. Wellspring Cave coming to mind. Although I still liked there.

I did forget Slowpoke Well

>>29995964
Mt Mortar is great as far as complexity goes.

>>29994378

This, none of this shit has meaningful payoff.

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People like you are the reason why Paper Mario now sucks complete ass.

>>29996096
Gen 1 has no narrative. Although you need to do something to unlock something else, it doesn't always have to be in the same order.

You can clear out Silph Co. before going to Fuchsia, or you can go to Fuchsia first. When you do go there, you can choose wether it be by the cycling road or routes 12-15. You can save the battle against Sabrina until after Blaine, stuff like that.

>>29996118
I'm talking about Pokémon specifically. Just because I want Pokémon to have no narrative doesn't mean I want every game to be like that.