Is this about right?

>>29961299
What about Alola Forms? They can be considered Gen 7 mons.

>>29961410
They're all shit.

>>29961299

Put Golisopod into OK tier, Emergency Exit actually synergizes very well with First Impression (its signature move), and Leech Life

Magearna has a very good typing, great movepool and good stats. It is going to be OU top threat. See Mega Mawile.
Tapu Fini is one of the greatest Keldeo checkers. Water/Fairy (resist both of Keldeo's STAB), awesome defenses, has Defog... The only flaw is no recovery move.

>>29961427
What about Alolan Raichu, Alolan Golem, Alolan Muk, or Alolan Persian?

Alolan Raichu and Persian got a slighty SpA boost and got a secondary typing that works well with Nasty Plot and both are fast, Alolan Golem got Electric-type Explosion and unlike Mega Glalie it can hold a Focus Sash, Alolan Muk has a renamed Receiver and has better bulk than Passimian.

Minior isn't going to be shit at all

>>29961299
Based on what? Predicted competitive usage? Design? In-game usage? Popularity?

Womp womp.

>>29961299
>Oranguru, Minior, Drampa, Araquanid and Dhelmise
>shit
You need to go back.

I dont think dhelmide its shit i heard a lot of good stuff

What makes the top 4 ridiculous?

>>29961299
>ruined by shit speed
>palossand
>tanky as all fuck with amazing healing and stall

>Araquanid
>"generally shit"
>insanely tanky with an amazing ability that makes it hit deceptively hard

>dhelmise
>shit
>atk, def, and sp. def all comparable with Aegislash
>speed low enough to excel in a trick room comp
>three fucking STAB bonuses

I am just gonna assume that Talonflame is OP's fursona.

>>29961299
Don't forget Zygarde

Ruined by shit tier ability

It would all be different if 100% Zygarde was not cucked by power construct and that wasted HP stat, it is already weak as a supposed trio master with 100/91 atk/sp atk and bad speed.

>>29961299
>bewear ok tier
>can withstand the strongest possible hit from mega-rayquaza
>"ok"

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>>29961299
school form wishiwashi has really good stats though

>>29961750
>the strongest possible hit from mega-rayquaza
V-create is stronger because of its ability

Both box legends definitely belong in ridiculous tier. Inb4 faggots meming about weaknesses, they're still stupidly good. Kartana also belongs in ridiculous tier.
Toxapex is really good, but not overbearing, so just Great Tier. Koko, Xurkitree and Celesteela also go here.
Ribombee and Minor are perfectly servicable - OK tier.
Guzzlord goes in "ruined by shit speed" tier. Wishiwashi too I guess, and proper support may even make it somewhat acceptable.

>>29961299

>Muh speed

Not everything has to be a sweeper to be good

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>>29961299
No. You have no idea how the singles meta works.

>>29961750
do you also use special attacks on blissey

>>29961786

V-Create makes contact though, so Fluffy's effects (half damage from contact moves and double damage from Fire type moves) cancel each other out.

Tapu Lele is good but it won't be as good as everyone makes it out to be. It would be incredible last gen where priority was more apparent, but with talonflame nerfs, multiple mons blocking priority, megas not being allowed, and sucker punch nerfs, it is ridiculous to assume as many pokemon will be using priority. While poison is stronger, psychic will still be a weaker attacking type, so the boost is pretty irrelevant.

Id say Komala deserves to be higher as it s pretty strong for a single stage mon

>>29961781
>40 speed in Normal form
>30 speed in Schooling form

>>29961299
The mushroom isn't bad at all, its movepool is excellent and itll likely be high tier.

Incineroar will also be relatively high tier due to its interesting movepool despite its speed. Same with Primarina and Golisopod.

>>29961852

The priority cancels effect is just part of what makes Tapu Lele so good.

What really makes it good is the support it gives to strong, but frail Pokemon like Mega Alakazam and Mega Diancie who are suspectible to priority.

Under Psychic Terrain, Mega Alakazam outspeeds nearly everything with its base 150 Speed, gets its Psychic attacks boosted, and can't be hit with priority moves.

Mega Diancie can't be hit by Bullet Punch or Aqua Jet.

>>29961886
>muh speed

>>29961299
Minior is going to be fucking fantastic
I hope

>>29961299
why do all the shitters not understand how good comfey is going to be

>>29961299
Is this supposed to be a competitive or design list?
If it's supposed to be a competitive one it's all kinds of wrong.
If it's supposed to be a design one you just have shit taste.

>>29961299
this image is tremendously wrong

i don't think you even play competitive

>>29961852
The only other mons that stop priority are pretty much shitmons. You're never going to see them higher up.

>>29961410
snowslash will be pretty good in hail, icicle crash/iron head/swords dance/??? but his usefulness pretty much depends on how good hail is this generation

alolan raichu could be good

>>29962168
Snowslash will probably run Earthquake. But hail in general still isn't very good. It's like turning a cripple into a normal person, but they still have to compete against Olympic medalists.

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>>29961299
>dhelmise
>shit
t. assblasted owlfag.

Dhelmise looks solid as fuck and UU at worst. Good stats and a solid moveset.

>>29961781
I'm not sure if it would be better to give him lefties and aqua ring and hope he can stay alive, or just give him choice specs and hope to do as much damage as possible until he dies.

>>29961886
Let's be fair, all of the Wishiwashi are fairly slow and you have to factor the difficulty in the coordination

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>golisopod
>shit

>>29961707
dickroach has high speed and mixed attacking stats
toxapex has regenerator and high defenses (but meh hp)
Marshadow is a fast attacker and can steal the opponents buffs
Lele autosets psychic terrain. beyond that idk

>>29961299
Water spider is much better than on this. Hungry Hombre should be lower.

>>29961299
This list is actually abysmal. Theres no real trend to your over or underestimation of Pokemon, you're not "generally right" or "generally wrong" on any given tier. It looks like you chose about 5 Pokemon from the gen you gave a shit about, put them in a proper tier, and then let random.org take over. What a disgrace.

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>>29962220

Alolan Ninetales can set up Aurora Veil and shit on rain teams.

Ninetales-A @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Aurora Veil
- Blizzard
- Moonblast
- Freeze-Dry

Hail itself still isn't good, but Alolan Ninetales can use it set up dual screens for its team in one, replace rain, and shit on teams with Freeze-Dry (Pelipper, Mega Swampert, Ludicolo, and Kingdra are all 4x weak to it).

>>29962253
>Lele autosets psychic terrain. beyond that idk

And hits insanely hard with base 130 Sp. Atk and double STAB Psychic

>>29961427
you people consistently forget alolan ninetales which is nothing short of amazing

>>29962327
Yeah, hail seems like it can at least try to compete now. I'm glad it's finally getting some love. I'm not sure if teams will pack Ninetales or Abomasnow for hail since they have different advantages. Aurorus and Vanilluxe are a joke though.

>>29961299
>lycanrock day
>no earthquake
NU at best. it's like floatzel in stats, except floatzel actually has coverage

>minior
>shit
lol you're fucking stupid m8

>>29962407
i'm so sad that aurorus didn't get aurora veil... even fucking jynx got it

>>29961299
Why is Silvally so high up? I feel like I'm missing out on it's potential. Seems rather weak imo.

>>29961781
Literally worse than Archeops

>>29962327
slip a beartic on this team

>Oh but <shitmon> isn't bad!
>Oh but <shitmon> has <incredibly situational move or ability>!
>You don't understand competitive!
The amount of buttblast in this thread is staggering. Why don't you fix it, then?

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>Drampa,ribombee and minior
>shit tier
Delet this

>>29961299
mudsdale is ruined by the fact it can't set up bebbles. Walls don't need speed

>>29962442
except it actually has the bulk to run restalk

Golisopod will probably end up running an Assvest set with Leech Life, First Impression, Liquidation, Coverage. It'll probably be UU depending on the exact mechanics of its ability.

>>29961299
>Ruined by shit speed
more like shit bulk to make up for it, although I don't think Mudsdale and Golisopod are bad at all, at least they're definetly not worse than Guzzlord.

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>>29962442
NOTHING can be as bad as that thing. At least has good bulk, it's just its HP stat that really needs work.

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>>29962442
>Better typing
>Not weak to Stealth Rock
>Amazing Def/Sp.Def
>Amazing in both attack stats

Why's Ribombee bad?

Alolan ninetails, swords dance snowslash, and choice banded beartic could do some work

But what other 3 members would be good on this team?

>>29961299
Araquanid is great now.

>>29962564
>Amazing Def/Sp.Def
worthless with its abysmal HP, it doesn't take much to lower it to under 50% and at that point it's as good as dead.

>>29962839
Anon, you have to take it to 25 or under.

>>29962839

Wishiwashi changes back to normal under 25%, not 50%.

>>29961299
Araquanid should be in great. Golisopod should be in ok at least.

>>29962327
None of the pokemon you mentioned are good in VGC, and nobody cares to smogon anymore

>>29962936
Not an arguement

>>29962936
>VGC
who the fuck even plays that tho

>>29961299
>minior
>shit

Made me reply

>>29962936
What self-respecting competitivefags plays VGC?

>>29961299
>I glanced over the datamine and heard two things from Smogon: the post
How about doing some actual research, OP? There are so many things wrong with this list I don't even know where to begin.

Only the top tier is sorta right.

>>29963110
smogon isn't real pokemon

>Primarina
>ruined by shit speed
Are you sure? Unironical question.

>>29963194
yeah mega rayquaza, primal groudon, giratina, lugia, mewtwo and darkrai is the real meta

>>29963238
It's ruined more by lacking HP and Defense

>>29963110
Smogon puts way too many rules that make it boring, also one of these dont give you real money.

>>29963238
Not really desu

Although 60 speed kind of puts it in limbo. Not worth investing in but also a little too fast for trick room. It's painfully mediocre.

>>29961299
>he is a furfag

Thats about right?

>>29963238
It's just the movepool that needs work. It actually has great coverage but it's pretty much poor man's Keldeo since it gets nothing but attacking moves.

>>29963269
yeah mega rayquaza and primal groudon all the way my man high 5

>>29963293

>Poor man's Keldeo

They aren't even remotely comparable

One's a bulky water, the other's a special attacker

>>29963238
It could've gotten a pass with some form of recovery but it doesn't even get that, it's unfortunate.

>>29963245
only the first two of those were really used
vgc 2016 still better than smogon 2008-present

It is frankly astonishing to me that people persist in trying to balance singles when the game hasn't been focused on singles in 15 years, but it's none of my business.

It absolutely IS a fan game at this point, I don't think that is deniable

>>29961462
how is emergency exit good? because he's so slow he loses a move out of it.

if you suspect your opponent will bring him below half hp you might as well just switch to something that will resist your opponent's anticipated move

>>29963441
>vgc 2016
>a meta where most legendaries are unbanned is better than gen 4 smogon meta
okay

>>29963347
They're both water types built to punch holes in things. Just look at Primarina's special attack. The only other comparable water type would be Clawitzer which Primarina pretty much outclasses.

>>29963477
primarina is more comparable to milotic and suicune than keldeo m8

>>29963314
Ill give you that but even gen VI smogon was bad.

Who's going to be better, Starmie or Toxapex?

>>29963238
It's pretty much an aquatic Sylveon.

This list is a fucking joke, right?
>Marshadow, Lycanroc, Kommo-o, Salazzle, and Buzzwole that high
>Bewear, Kartana, Xurkitree only "OK"
>Complaining about the Speed of tanks like Golisopod (who has numerous priority options and can act as a slow pivot for advantageous switches), Mudsdale (who has an insane ability for walling physically), and Pallosand (whose speed isn't his real problem)
>Minior, Dhelmise, Ribombee, Araquanid, Passimian and Oranguru that low

>>29963463

Emergency Exit lets you switch something in for free, regular switching doesn't.

>>29963509
In what way? They don't really share the same role.

>>29963596

Marshadow should definitely be that high, it's absurdly broken.

>>29963597
It's not really free, it's like a slow u-turn but you don't deal that little bit of u-turn damage.

>>29963441
What's astonishing about preferring singles? Doubles isn't a better version of singles, it is something entirely different.
Doubles is also only supported for spectating purposes, not other reason.

How will we breed without ditto?

>>29963622
It's great, but it's certainly not ""broken"" in any way. If it had access to SD it would be that high, but it has to rely on either Bulk-Up or his signature move (which is really predictable + doesn't work on normies). Lack of Mach Punch is a drag too.
>>29963463
He has First Impression, Aqua Jet, and Sucker Punch for priority. Even then, it's better to take a hit and get switch advantage than letting your opponent get free damage on your switch in.

>>29962327
How do you get Freeze-Dry on Ninetales-A?

>>29963741
You can get a Ditto by the observatory, just gotta chain it enough so you get a couple of nice IV's on it.

>>29963656
Nope. Because if you go first (with a priority move, for example) Golisopod will still be the one taking the damage. It's different.

>>29961299
Dundog is too high, Tapu Koko, Golisopod and Araquanid are too low. A lot of UBs are Uber.

>>29963743

>Fighting/Ghost STAB (nothing resists both)
>Technician
>90 BP STAB move that steals stat boosts, THEN attacks
>Base 125 Attack and Speed and decent bulk

>Not broken in any way

lmao

Marshadow only needs two moves (Close Combat and Spectral Thief), the other two moveslots can be used for whatever you want

>>29963441
Who actually likes doubles?

>>29963792

Any info on locations of mons yet?

>>29963618
scald abusers
defensive typing
bulky hard hitters

>>29963553
not really it just became more popular and people for some reason hate bans (even if its actually a compliment to your bro)

>>29963782
smeargle

>>29963987
Like breed a smeargle with Freeze-Dry onto a Vulpix-A?

>>29963941
Milotic doesn't hit that hard. 100 special attack isn't anything special. Suicune is more like a boosting sweeper. Primarina won't be using Scald that much.

>>29964018
yup. or wait until bank opens so you can transfer aurorus then go aurorus -> lapras -> delibird -> vulpix which is ridiculously hard

>>29964054
Ahhh I see, thanks for the info!

>>29964039
you forgot competitive
and of course primarina will be using scald. ffs. even keldeo runs scald.

>>29964079
Competitive only really works if you catch an Intimidate, and Milotic only really uses that in doubles. Also, Scald isn't good enough for Primarina. It needs to run Hydro Pump.

>>29961299
>>29963884
Mega-Ray can't one shot the bear with a SE hit.

He's way better than "ok"

>>29961299
Buzzwole is meh, Celesteela and Kartana should be in great. Maybe Necrozma but not so sure. Looks good otherwise

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>>29961299
MIMIKYU IS GREAT!
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>>29964115
Why wouldn't it run Scald? Yes, Hydro Pump is stronger but has less accuracy. STAB Scald from a mon with 126 Sp.Atk still hurts a lot and the burn is advantageous for Primarina since it's physical bulk isn't really great. But, you do you, man. Scald will be the most common option in singles imo.

>>29963792
Why would I breed for IVs when bottle caps exist?

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>>29961299
>OK+ tiers mostly consist of legendaries

>>29964239
Pump is needed because it allows it to break past things Scald can't, like Cresselia or Florges. Keldeo even runs both on a Specs set sometimes, but that's because it doesn't have that much coverage. Primarina can't really do that when it pretty much needs to run Moonblast and Psychic along with a choice of Energy Ball or Ice Beam.

>>29964255
Caps don't help if you need a specific HP OR if you want to have the lowest IV possible. It also doesn't help with breeding since it gives the old IVs and not the maxed out ones. Also, egg moves are still a thing.

>>29964308
You only need a specific hp for things that rely on substitute, or if you want to survive 17 turns on fire instead of 16 (assuming no other attack hits you). Even then, after EVing most pokemon you can throw the last 8 evs into hp for 2 points of hp, or only 4 if you want, or take 4 evs from another stat to make it 12 evs for 3 points of hp.
Breeding old ivs is also fine since the new pokemon can also get bottle capped.
Egg moves don't rely on ivs.

>>29964294
Strength > Support

Ok, fair enough. We will just have to wait and see which move is used the most. Might just as well depend on the sets, but might end up being the norm.

>>29963238
So what is a good starter even?
I like firecat but fairy water is one of my favorite type combos

Why are all the mons so slow

>>29962839
It takes 25% AND it only deactivates school form at the END of the turn. Not once it goes under.

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>Pelipper
>Gains drizzle
>Has hurricane, u-turn, tailwind, roost and scald/hydro pump
>Special attack buffed

He probably won't be too much of a treath on OU, but this nigga is going to be raiding down lower tiers. He can finally see SOME usage!

>>29964385
Ah, by HP I actually meant Hidden Power. I should've been more specific there, my bad.

>Comfey with boosted +3 draining kiss
>Minior
>Drampa being bad with those fucking stats and that fucking coverage
>Aquaspider not being RU at worst with that monster liquidation
>Oranguru being shit with that bulk, that support set, and Instruct
>Ribonbee being shit even in singles with Bug Buzz/Moonblast/QD/Baton Pass

You suck and didn't think.

Explain to me why the tapu are so good?

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>>29964434
This has been a good gen for Water/Flying-fags.

>Speedfags
Literally only important to competitive.

>>29964549
The chart is related to competitive

>>29964655
Oh? Gross

>>29964549
High speed is good for in-game as well.

>>29961410
No they aren't.

>>29964505
Doesn't Ribombee get a special bug move that's even better than Bug Buzz too?

>>29964434
>fucking Peliper of all pokemon gets a boost
>Poliwrath get shit, and is still useless outside tripple battles.

>>29964713
It's good, but not vital. NPC's don't typically build their teams around one shots.

>>29961299
OP is a faggot that only cares about muh speed

>>29961299
drop solgaleo, which is a shitty metagross, and lunala, which is just shitty

drop silvally, sundogger, and guzzlord to generally shit

>>29962378
>bullet punch

Can someone tell me why moondoggy is so low? Is he really that bad?

>>29965464
Same problems as sun dog. No moves. Except it trades 30 points of sundog's speed to put 10 in each defense, which still sucks. Only thing going for it is No Guard Stone Edge.

Is pheromosa really that good? what are it's stats

>drampa
>Anchor
>cute bee
>araquanid
>shit tier

wrong.

>>29965672
137 Attack and Sp. Atk
37 Defense and Sp. Def
151 Speed

>>29965672
1hp
5,000 attack
1 def
5,000 sp attk
1 sdef
5,000 speed

>>29965788
+ High Jump Kick and U-turn STAB

>>29961299
Why do you think Kartana is going to be bad? With 181 Attack, it has 500+ for max attack.

>>29965780
>>29965788
o shit sounds rough

>>29965842
And Beast Boost to raise whatever stat is the highest.

>>29961299
I'm glad mimikyu isn't shit. What do you guys think of a Swords Dance moveset?

>>29965930
Its movepool isn't that great and its special defense is paper thin. Unown used Hidden Power Fire tier thin.

That said, scarfed Kartana is probably going to be pretty terrifying, especially considering how Beast Boost is effectively Moxie for it. Even resisted hits have a good chance to OHKO after it collects that +1.

>>29965268
>solgaleo
>shitty metagross
>lunala
>shitty

hahaha, don't be that frustrated at our future A tier ubers :)

>>29963470
gen 4 was a decade ago, no one cares about it anymore. move on with your life.

>>29961886
>>29962003
i am gonna have so much fun with my trick room team on you speed whores.

So much fun.

>>29965268
Solgaleo is a faster, tankier metagross with more coverage options, and can heal itself. It's Uber. Lunala has a 100 base power zero drawbacks ghost STAB, the best attacking type in the game, Roost and multi scale.

Nigga you stupid.

>>29964117
Bewear's Sp D is abysmal. High Def doesn't make it good.

What's a new pokemon that has a shit ton of hp for a tank?

>>29965672
Its like 140 offenses 150 speed

>>29962007
>hope
Shell Smash, White Herb, Acrobatics

>>29968108
implying it can afford to set up

>>29961299
>Dhelmise
>shit

>>29964801
For singles, there's no reason to use it over bug buzz. It might see some use in doubles.

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>everything i was gonna use on my team is shit tier or below

>>29964539
Their abilities activate terrain, which opens up a whole new team compositions based on it - especially because it only fights other terrains and not weather like sandstorm/rain.
And yes, there is a terrain extender item that increases its duration to 8 turns.

>>29961299
Wrong. Golisopod is very good

>>29961786
If you are talking about this calc: 252+ Atk Choice Band Mega Rayquaza Dragon Ascent vs. +1 252 HP / 4+ Def Bewear: 156-186 (68.7 - 81.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO you are wrong. This is +1 Def, still getting one shotted.

>>29961299
deciding tiers already.

full retard.

I started checking on lycanrock night and its honestly not that bad

>the only mon with a guaranteed stab stone edge that NEVER misses.
>can swords dance and sucker punch if you give him a free turn
>its stats are basically toxicroack with more attack and more bulk, but 3 speed points less.
>can take adventage of sandstorm sp def (but will I admit this will rarely happen kek)

the only move it lacks is earthquake, but at LEAST it gets brick break, so you can still run Edge/Sword/Brick/Sucker, that is alright coverage

also I dont get why people think day dog is so good when night dog can do its purpose much better when you slap a choice scarf in it, instant no miss stab stone edge with that attack is a great mid to late game sweeper and revenge killer

>>29961750
>CB Mega Ray
>strongest set
That's not DD LO