Primarina = UU Incineroar = RU Decidueye = NU

>>29940712
This seems pretty accurate

Decidueye, the undisputed king of FU.

>>29940712
You mean
Primarina = RU
Incineroar = NU
Decidueye = OU

>>29940712
I don't see any of them reaching higher than NU, honestly

>>29940744
You mean
Primarina = UU
Incineroar = RU
Decidueye = PU

Primarina isn't going UU if its ability doesn't boost also boost attack like pixelate.

>>29940782
Primarina is pretty lethal and tanky on the special side. And Water/Fairy is useful. At least its stats aren't all fucked in placement like Decidueye's.

>>29940712
During Gen V, Unova starters weren't higher than RU due to unreleased HAs, Emboar was the only one on RU while Serperior and Samurott were NU. They were considered the worst starters ever created but many people said that will change when their HAs were released.

Comes ORAS and HAs Unova Starters were announced, then after 2 months Serperior rose to OU were it stays there as the best non-Mega Grass starter.

I'll never forget it, that was the best thing that happened on Gen VI. Now let's see this HAs:

>Contact moves are not considered contact moves
>Intimidate
>Water-type version of -ate abilities limited only to Sound moves

Honestly, Liquid Voice is the best of the three but Long Reach has some uses.

>>29940712
Owl will probably be RU as well.

>>29940744
It's not even funny anymore, stop it.

>>29940794
this is a very poorly constructed post, but it's confirmed that liquid voice does not give an -ate boost and that -ate boosts are nerfed to 1.2x

>>29940712
>sub 1100 shitters trying to determine tiers

Primarina: RU
Incineroar: NU/PU
Decidueye: PU

You're underestimating the shittiness of these starters.

>>29940712
Primarina = NU
Incineshit = Special meta BNU or Beyond Never Used
Decidueye = OU

>>29940712
I think you meant

>Primarina is RU with little to no usage in higher tiers
>Incineroar and Decidueye will both see fringe usage in UU, maybe even OU, but will not break out of RU

>>29940997
I have no fucking clue what happened to my post. I'm so sorry.

29941041
Nice falseflag Incineroarfag

>>29941048
Will Decidueye's fringe usage in OU and UU be helping you lose faster?

>>29940712
UURUNU

URANUS

pokemon uranus confirmed 3rd version

Decidueye will be OU simply because it has one of the most powerful singles niches ever born in the history of Pokemon. The ability to trap a Pokemon, boost without fear of being damaged by said Pokemon and then baton pass it to your Sweeper is simply unparalleled and will boost it to the top tiers of OU.

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Spirit shackles effects will still be on even after decidueye faints according to leaks. So maybe OU

>>29941067
I dont think anyone in their right mind would use inceniroar

>>29941102
I'm not going to use Decidueye, anon. Nor Incineroar or Primarina.

All three are sub-par, but the owl and the tiger have key traits that will let them see at least a little play in the higher tiers.

>>29940712
Once Incineroar gets its HA I can see it being OU or PU at least. Intimidate + Fake Out and a fairly useable typing.

>>29940712
>Incineroar = RU
>decidueye = NU
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
kys

>>29940712
Incineroar might go UU once the HAs are out but I don't see any of them doing much better than RU.

>>29940953
>Liquid Voice is the best of the three
In what alternate universe do you live in? Liquid Voice is easily the worst of the three. Intimidate is easily the best and Long Reach at least has some value.

>>29941199
Meant UU not PU; 95/90/90 defenses are pretty strong after Intimidate.

>>29941221
Incineroar is garbage, all three starters are garbage, non of them are making it past RU.

>>29941199
The delusion is real. Its confirmed NU

>>29941274
thats what they said about serperior and greninju

>>29940712
How much better would Scarf make Decidueye? Being a fast mixed attacker with a trapping ability sounds pretty dope to me.

>>29940712
Decidueye is obviously Ubers, maybe even AG. Spirit Shackle is too good and it's the fastest of the three.

>>29941301
serp has Contrary and froggo has Protean.

Snek would be easy PU and Froggo UU without there HAs. Intimidate is not enough.

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>Smogon fags

>>29941322
This post is ridiculous. Decidueye is clearly going to be the first pokemon that's completely banned from play considering it has mixed attack stats. It can be physical or special and that's too much to take into account.

>>29940712
Primaria=Ru due to the existence of miltoic

Incineroar=Ru since it doesn't get sucker and fire punch

Decidueye=Nu since it has no speed

>>29941322

>AG
Let me guess your elo in showxdown: 1050?

>>29941403
>image.gif
opinion discarded

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>>29941347
>intimidate, fake out, U-turn
>110 base attack
>90+ bulk
Hi VGC. I'll be using it along with my bro Bojack and Tsareena.

>>29941423
>Milotic
Not the same role, dude. Milotic doesn't hit anything at all.

You retards are downright delusional if you think that Decidueye won't be OU. At worst, Decidueye is simply mid-tier UU.

>>29941486
Oh I have no doubt it will be good in VGC 2017, somethin that I can't say for the other two

Its just not that good in Singles, especially compared to what happened to Serp and Greninja

>>29941522
Ubers for sure

>>29940744
i'll shit all over your gay owl

>>29941522
>implying anchormon isn't better in all respects

Decidueye = Ubers since it's basically unstoppable. Its typing means that it completely walls Chesnaught, and that's just too much for the average player to deal with.

Incineroar = S Rank OU since fire/dark is a good typing. Opponents will have to look out for both fire and dark type attacks. Intimidate also means that physical attackers may have to switch out into a pokemon that could be weak to fire or dark. I could see it getting sent to ubers eventually.

Primarina = S Rank OU since its ability allows it to use sound moves that can hit through substitutes. This makes substitutes completely unviable and will greatly effect the meta game.

All and all, these are some of the best starters I've seen in a while.

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>>29941588
>Anchormon
My Dhelmise now has a name.

>thinking smogon matters

>>29941301
That was before we knew their stats. Have you run calcs on any of the starters?

They are garbage. Primarina is the best of the 3, only because it has a fairy typing. Incineroar is a Fire/Dark type, neither of which is good with such a low speed.

Hariyama beats Incineroar in every match up.
252+ Atk Hariyama Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Incineroar: 440-522 (111.6 - 132.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Hariyama Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Abomasnow: 314-372 (79.6 - 94.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
-1 252+ Atk Hariyama Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 210-248 (53.2 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-1 252+ Atk Hariyama Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Incineroar: 296-350 (75.1 - 88.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

Even with a Choice Band Incineroar only does 51.7 - 61% to Hariyama.
Incineroar can't touch any relevant Fighting type.

>>29941486
>U-Turn
>VGC
Pick one.

>>29940712
Decidueye=UU or BL
UU is a very stall and water based meta. With its amazing support and utility move pool, as well as the ability to trap any non normal types while hitting ghosts hard, I would be surprised if this thing isn't at least used a lot in UU

Incineroar=RU
Incineroar is a lot like Arcanine, but has slightly better Atk Bulk in exchange for a fighting weakness it would rather not have, no reliable recovery, and significantly lower speed. So it's not UU tier, but it might burn up in RU as the other competition it has in RU is Emboar which has enough differences to use both.
Primarina=RU or BL3
Similar to Incineroar's case, this thing has competition, but it's significantly worse for it. It has so many competitors that can do a better job than it, even in UU. On top of that, its move pool really sucks. It has like Hydro Pump, Moonblast, Scald, Ice Beam, and Hyper Voice (Which we might not be able to get yet). Even in RU, it faces tough competition like Blastoise, Jellicent, Seismitoad, and Slowking. The over saturation of Water Types kills this thing's viability, but it might have a chance competing in RU, and if it drops in usage, it will probably be banned from Rock City.

>>29941021
Most people on Smogon actually can't really pin point where the Owl will go.

>>29941209
found the underage desu

>>29941423
>Decidueye is lower than the other 2 because of it being slow
>Is faster than the other 2 and is faster than the average Alola mon

>>29941423
>Nu since it has no speed
Gets Trapping move. Gets Sucker Punch + Swords Dance. Fucks the defensive cores of RU. Immune to Spore. Entry hazard control. Reliable recovery. Spin blocker.
>>>>>>>>>NU
Suuuurrrreeee.

Decidueye is will be spending his time KOing Regenerate degenerates in RU, if he doesn't end up in UU.

>>29941864
It still has the worst stat spread, though.

>>29941859
>desu
found the newfag tbqh

>>29941938
>muh stats
moving the goalpost

Since Decidueye is the next greninja, it's obvious as all hell that he's going to be OU. Anyone saying otherwise are in denial.

>>29941864
The other two have the bulk to make up for it. Especially inceneroar with intimidate.

>>29941164
Nice to know. Perhaps it can be good against stall or even used to set up on it

ok memes aside

Primarina = NU

Incineroar = RU

Decidueye = UU/BL

>>29941956
Stat spread is very important though, you can have an aceptable movepool and still get fucked by stats and that's exactly decidueye.
Slow, mixed and frail is the worst stat spread ever.

Does Long Reach let you bypass Substitute? It fucking should

>>29941988
>Primarina
>bulk
There's that meme again

>>29942035
You haven't even given Decidueye a chance yet you fucking retard. Just wait and see.

>>29941048

This is most accurate.

>>29942048
epic xd

>>29941663
>S Rank OU since fire/dark is a good typing.
Oh yeah because that worked out so well for Houndoom. Don't even fucking try and backpedal out of your dumbass comment, because your post explicitly stated that Fire/Dark is good simply based off of typing and nothing else. Stealth Rock weakness and piss fucking poor speed isn't doing this thing any sort of favors. Don't fucking delude yourself

>>29942035
its important but you're saying that his stats sucks so much which isnt. Good speed is enough

>>29942099
Everyone agrees that Primarina is by far the worst of the three. It has nothing going for it at all. In fact it's even the worst water type in SuMo.

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>>29942099
>Muk used Sludge Bomb

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>>29942035
Has 100 in both Attack and Special Attack, has a good movepool, blocks Spinners, has a trapping move, and if Speed is that much of a concern, you can just Scarf it for over 400 Speed, not to mention it has Sucker Punch for priority anyway.

>>29942108
>Not sensing obvious sarcasm
Anon...

>>29941756
will-o-wisp or acrobatics with berry

>>29942140
Primarina is probably the weakest starter ever, surpassing the likes of Meganium in being pure shit.

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>>29942150
>0 SpA Charmander Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Decidueye: 158-188 (53.1 - 63.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>0+ Atk Gible Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Decidueye: 135-159 (45.4 - 53.5%) -- 34.4% chance to 2HKO
>0 SpA Vanillite Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Decidueye: 138-164 (46.4 - 55.2%) -- 62.5% chance to 2HKO
>0 Atk Pancham Superpower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Decidueye: 139-165 (46.8 - 55.5%) -- 71.9% chance to 2HKO
>0 Atk Cranidos Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Decidueye: 166-196 (55.8 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>0 Atk Pawniard Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Decidueye: 156-186 (52.5 - 62.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>0 Atk Pidgey Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Decidueye: 176-210 (59.2 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>Decidueye
OU
>Incineroar
UU
>Primarina
PU

>>29942182
This. At least Meganium's HA does something.

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>>29942188
>0 Atk Pancham Superpower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Decidueye: 139-165 (46.8 - 55.5%) -- 71.9% chance to 2HKO

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>>29942188
>Weezing used Poison Gas

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>>29941164
P-proof? Any source?
I've never fucking stuttered texted but that is HUGE for the owl if true.

>>29942182
Nah, that's decidueye, it even gets cucked by fucking dhelmise. At least primarina is a fairy.

primarina = NU/PU

incineroar = NU/RU

Decidueye = UU/BL

>cat fags still memeing that incineroar is better than owl

>>29942245
You're retarded, but that's to be expected since you're a Primarinafag.

I like decidueye but I think you guys are overestimating its usefulness? She's not going to be fucking OU or Ubers.

>>29942233
>no calcs

primarina = NU
incineroar = NU
decidueye = OU

also decidueye wins in design. Picking tranny clown and a man in a fur suit is beyond me.
I guess some manchild like looney tunes design

>>29942245
Dhelmise is shit on a stick. Again, slow ass tank with no recovery moves. GF will never learn.

Meanwhile in the city of Primarina, Tapu Fini will be chosen over her 90% of the time by most competitive players

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>Infernape used Thunder Punch!
>Infernape used Close Combat!
>Infernape used Flare Blitz!
Best starter coming through

>>29941164
If that's true, definitely OU. No doubt about it.

Decidueye will be OU. If initially not, we will just have to spam Decidueye in Showdown matches to force Smogon to declare Decidueye OU.

>>29942230
Pancham gets scrappy, retard.

>>29942270
Yeah.
It has uses and can be built on different and interesting ways, but some guys seem to think that:
>Is Protean Greninja tier.
>Anything can be worse than Meganium.

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>>29940744
t. Rowletfag

>>29941164
Does this mean it stays on if you hard switch out owl or does it go away?

>>29942321
t. Cancer

I don't even bother with competitive but speculation threads about what tier a mon will end up in are interesting. It's funny how there's rarely any consensus.

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>>29941164
>Spirit shackles effects will still be on even after decidueye faints according to leaks. So maybe OU
WE'RE OU, BABY, GAME OVER! DECIDUEYE BEST STARTER EVER, THE DEATH OF STALL RIGHT HERE.
He can't touch Chansey

I think you are all forgetting the main issue with Decidueye: it will be banned from Ubers for being too good. Yeah it may be Mega Fug tier but what does that mean except that it'll never be used?

Is this shitposting yet?
And can someone source that gamechanging Spirit Shackle thing?

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>>29942296
>0 Sp. Atk Gastly Sludge Bomb vs. 255 HP / 255 Def Primarina: 999-996 (200.8 - 200.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

-1 252+ Atk Kommo-o Sky Uppercut vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Incineroar: 198-234 (50.2 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Decidueye is Ubers
Primarina is PU
Incineroar is NU

It's all but confirmed at this point.

>>29941021
>1100
>implying 1100 is high
Otherwise your post looks pretty spot on

>>29942359
99 replies and 41 posters, it's shitposting alright.

I love Decidueye, and I don't want want to get my hope she up about the effect of Spirit Shackle in a thread so obviously full of trolling. There was a rumor it had a different effect value from Thousand Waves, but still. I could see it since it's a specialty move and it stitches the shadow to the ground, but I see no source. It is absolutely game-changing if true.

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>>29942300

>Better Bulk
>Hits harder
>3 STABs
>Better stat spread

Also
>Le recovery meme
>Implying decidueye has the bulk/speed to use roost after attacking
>Implying roost pushed noctowl and tropius out of PU

>Doing calcs
>Not using your gut to determine which attack is best

NEEERRRDDDDSSSSSS!

>>29942516
Doesn't matter when Spirit Shackle is superior to Anchor Shot by persisting after Decidueye switches out or faints.

>>29942546
Prove it.

>>29942553
Read the thread.

>>29942546
There is currently no proof for either. Just rumors.

>>29942047
Knowing GF and their shit descriptions, it probably will.

>>29942574
This?
>Spirit shackles effects will still be on even after decidueye faints according to leaks. So maybe OU

This is your proof?
>>29942585
Yeah.

>>29942188
>Literally copy & pasted a list some salty Sealfag made in pastebin, knowing it neglects what it can fight in OU and what you would use Decidueye for, just to get (You)s

>252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Icy Wind vs. 248 HP / 140+ SpD Trevenant: 142-168 (39.5 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Waterfall vs. 248 HP / 120 Def Trevenant: 130-153 (36.2 - 42.6%) -- 96.7% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
>0 Atk Landorus-T Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 120 Def Decidueye: 108-128 (30 - 35.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
>136+ SpA Slowbro Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 140+ SpD Decidueye: 158-188 (44 - 52.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
>252 SpA Life Orb Starmie Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 140+ SpD Decidueye: 169-200 (47 - 55.7%) -- 18% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (110 BP) vs. 248 HP / 120 Def Decidueye: 123-145 (34.2 - 40.3%) -- 48.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Go suck on you tranny seal's cock faggot.
ps don't act like Being 2HKOed by a Cranidos is something to be ashamed about. It has 125 base Atk. That's a higher offense than some OU/Ubers Pokemon.

>>29942035
>Slow, mixed and frail
I'm sorry, but how is 78/70/100 defenses frail?

It's not tank worthy, by any means. But shit, you're acting like it'll faint to a stiff breeze.

Those defenses are pretty respectable, especially considering it has access to 2 different recovery moves.

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>It's an incineroarfags/primarinafags don't really mind while decidueyefags get absolutely assblasted episode.
Why you people have to be like this?

>>29942516
The Anchor only has better Physical Bulk. The Owl has better Special Bulk and can roost on walls while the anchor can't do either.

Isn't spirit shackles basically an improved Wobuffet?
If so Decidueye confirmed ubers.

>>29942678
Have you read this thread you fucking retards? It's Incineroarfags and Primarinafags constantly attacking Decidueye while Decidueyefriends are forced to defend Decidueye. Fuck off revisionist.

>>29942421
your a fuckin retard of course 1100 isnt high that's the joke

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>>29942035
>frail
>mixed is bad when above 100

>>29942678
I'd be happy if either Incineroar or Primarina made it into UU, though I'm not holding out hope on Primarina at least unless the next games are good to it.

>>29942670
Victini is 100/100/100

>>29940744
>Decidueye = OU
Anchor is better

>>29942793
hahahaha

>>29942678
I blame Greninja.
>>29942697
What?

There is literally 1 post that can be called attacking. Everyone else is just talking and gauging potential.

>>29942793
hahahaha

>>29942812
Don't laugh at me you fucking nigger

>>29942690
Not really. Spirit Shackle is really good as it prevents Double Switches Automatically, breaks Regen cores, and with luck, can trap a wall that can't do anything to it with sub up. Wobbuffet on the other hand has Stag, which traps all non-ghost types automatically as long as they don't switch they turn you switch in. It's more like a better Infestation that does actual damage and hits Ghosts decently that otherwise would avoid the trapping. It also can't trap Normal types either, but it still is a very good tool for owl and might mean it would be auto NU without it.

>>29942819
Don't forget about the denial of Incineroarfags.
Incineroar is OHKO'd by every Fighting type, even the terrible ones in NU.

Incineroar just can't survive in a world of Sneaky Stones and Punching types.

>>29942834
hahahaha

>>29940712
Primarina = UU/BL2 (outclassed utility-wise by a similar mon, Sylveon, but it's really strong and gets Water STAB)
Incineroar = UU/maybe OU (bulky pivot with a strong Dark move and Fighting coverage, synergises well with Tapu Bulu)
Decidueye = UU (trapping and SD passing gives it a good niche and it has pretty good Special bulk, plus with Long Reach it can do a Scarf U-turn set without taking contact damage)

>>29942983
Primarina is not strong at all. It's an extremely slow pokemon that's frail physically and specially with a mediocre special attack stat.

>>29942913
Which move are they using? You're not switching this in on a Fighting type unless you're the type to needlessly sac 3 mons, and it can take Mach Punch pretty well with Intimidate and 95/90 defensive bulk

>>29940712
This is actually correct
>>29941717
This is also true.
>>29940744
>>29940784
>>29941021
>>29941041
>>29941048
>>29941209
>>29941221
>>29941663
>>29941767
>>29942208
>>29942260
>>29942267
>>29942298
>>29942311
>>29942315
>>29942340
>>29942420
All of you are fucking wrong

>>29942983
I hope that Primarina and Incineroar descriptions are sarcastic
Prismarina water STAB lol

>>29943055
t. Antidecidueyefag

>>29943055
autism

>>29943004
I'm not that's impressed or optimistic about Primarina's stats, but that "mediocre" Sp.Att of 126 is the highest offensive stat on any starter as far as I know.

>>29941164
Where are you getting this?

>>29940712
Prinarina = UU
Decidueye = RU
Incineroar = Doubles

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>>29942771
So are Mew, Manaphy, and Celebii.

I'm struggling to see your point here.

>>29943004
>126 Satk is low
>80/116 special bulk is low
fucking lol

>>29943045
Hariyama can switch in on Incineroar with ease, and OHKO with CC. If Incineroar makes it higher then NU Hariyama will follow because it hard counters the kitty.

>>29943072
it gets scald famalam

you're not forced to use its signature move you know

>>29943138
b-b-b-b-but muh typing and intimidate and bulk!

>>29943138
>U-Turn out because Hariyama is outsped and never runs Speed anyways

>>29942913
It stings man, I prefer Incineroar, but its no good. I can only hope for the next tutors.
I still think the best part of this circus is how is "everyone" getting bitchy about use-based tiers when we are still discovering things like Water Bubble's side effects.

>>29943165
>what is switching
sub-1100 shitter detected

>>29943206
>switching
yeah you ll have to switch out everytime you throw flaming furfag out because of how shitty it is

>>29943278
That's the point of a pivot, idiot. Bring it in on something it threatens and U-turn out to get momentum.

>>29943278
Hey dolt... ya' realize that Incineroar hard counters Bisharp, Ferrothorn, Metagross, Weavile, and Scizor... right?

>>29943316
>Bring it in on something it threatens
which is a small list. Yep NU at best

>>29943404
>>29943399

>>29943399
Is there only one Norp or does you name get stolen often?

>>29943399
with that speed and typing, no. Lets just face it, incineshit is terrible in both design and usability

>>29943399
how can he face those when hes NU?

>>29940744
Just accept the fact that Decidueye sucks. The sooner you accept it the sooner you can move on.

>>29940712
Primarina = UU

Incineroar = RU

Decidueye = BL2

>>29943442
There is only one Norp.

>>29943481
How does it suck again?

>>29940712
>Primarina = UU
This is the sign of someone who has never played UU in his life.

>>29943514
The fact that Dhelmise does Decidueye's entire niche ten times better has to account for something.

>>29943481
Not even that guy, but you look like a shitposter saying that.

I don't think it'll be OU, but you need to say something about it.
This sounds reasonable to me.
>>29943508

>>29943447
The typing is precisely why he counters them.
How retarded are you?
>incineshit is terrible in design
Well that answers that.

>>29943558
I'd say that it'd be this.

Incineroar = UU
Primarina = BL2
Decidueye = RU

>>29943547
>Dhelmise, the same type as Decidueye.
>Has better bulk and offense.
>Ability is apparently a 1.2/3 times multiplier.
>No recovery.
>Has a steel version of SS.
Ok,but here's the thing.

>Decidueye has two recover options, is faster, has many more moves that would be used for a utility set.

By golly! It looks like they fill two very different roles!

Seriously Dhelmise is obviously going for a offensive bulky mon while Decidueye is going for utility/pivot.

>>29943579
still the list is small like norps dick. Flaming furfag is NU at best

>>29943547
I'm still not convinced of this. Dhelmise has higher Attack and Defense, Power Whip, Rapid Spin, some decent coverage like Rock Slide, pseudo-STAB on Steel, and a trap move that hits all types. Not bad.

Decidueye has better Sp.Defense and Speed, enough to outpace and fuck most stallmons. It also has a wider support movepool with U-turn, Baton Pass (and boosts), and Defog, true STAB on its trap move, actual recovery in Roost and Synthesis, and coverage like Brave Bird, Sucker Punch, and Low Sweep.

It's never good to be as slow as Dhelmise without recovery. Ask Aggron and friends. The two are unacceptably similar but I don't think Deci is completely outdone. There's even a chance it's versatile enough to get a slight edge. Neither is all that impressive, though.

>>29943611
Why though?
Can you adress this points, please?
Primarina has good special stats, but plenty of competition. Only use of SAria even in game is healing your burns and telling Flame Orb Hariyama to fuck off.
Incineroar has the most usefull HA, but has a shitty pull. Access to U-turn is good and has some bulk but is too slow for it to be too good, methinks.
Decidueye has a wide movepool. Shitty physical pool, but I see nothing that gets it lower than UU.

Be wary that I still think Decidueye is gonna be another Electivire before thinks settle down though.

>>29943055
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iqkcq7bEo0I
Not an argument faggot. Do you have any reason outside of "it's le fairy type. It is auto-Ubers" type of faggotry? Do tell me what I can use your shitty tranny for when
>OU has Tapu Fini, Slowbro, and Rotom
>UU has Suicune, Mega Blastoise, Vapereon, Sylveon, and Empoleon
>And RU Slowking, normal Blastoise, Quilfish, Alomomola, Clawitzer, Jellicent, Togetic, and Aromatisse
At least with Incineroar and Decidueye, there are good (non-meme) reasons to use them over the competition, and they have significantly less competition.
Incineroar as like Arcanine and Emboar depending on how you use it. And Decidueye the Anchor, which they are pretty close in viability.

Here is your (You) Sealfag

>>29943699
Due to intimidate, snarl, and the Fire/Dark typing, Incineroar counters:
Jirachi, Ferrothorn, Metagross, Doublade, Scizor, Metagross, Weavile, Victini, Skarmory, Heatran, Bisharp, Roserade, Celebi, Chandelure, Alakazam, Mew, Azelf, Umbreon, Reuniclus, Roserade, and Froslass

>>29943825
Decidueye doesn't have the stats for it's job and has a terrible HA for it's job, and the abilities mean a lot.
It's decently wide movepool doesn't mean much without a good ability.

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>>29943886
I accidentally mentioned metagross twice.

>>29943004
>this is what 1100 elo shitters actually believe

>>29943878
Did you sperg that much over bait?
Calm down and take a breather.
It looks more like a fag taking potshots at the owls than a sealfag.
>>29943916
Emh...
Double Type checking?

>>29943399
+1 252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Brick Break vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Incineroar: 338-400 (102.1 - 120.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>29943997
You got it backwards, it's -1 not +1.

Additionally Bisharp very rarely carries brick break.

>>29943138

>Can Switch in with Ease

If it's an itemless Incineroar with Acrobatics, you are losing more than half your HP, then dying the next turn while doing jack shit. If it's a
252 HP Life Orb Bulk Up Incineroar, it lives through CC if it bulked while Hariyama came in, and takes out Hariyama with two EQs.

So no, it isn't a hard counter at all. You need to retailor Hariyama to run more defensive sets for it to be.

252+ Atk Houndoom Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 152 Def Hariyama: 294-346 (68.5 - 80.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

If it's not a Guts Hariyama(Thick Fat Assault Vest is the go to Hariyama, by the way), you can just WoW it if you run that.

And Incineroar can just U-Turn out if Hariyama is otherwise causing it issues.

>>29944049
Defiant Bisharp

>>29944049
Defiant

>>29943997
Mmm yes, the Brick Break Bisharp. How could I forget that omnipresent set that every one runs on Bisharp

Given that the starters' HAs aren't even released yet, their usage isn't going to be very significant. Decidueye will probably initially be the best of them, if only for the utility it provides. Primarina will get shitstomped in OU with Kartana/Celesteel/Xurkitree/Aegislash everywhere, and faces stiff competition in UU. Incineroar has okay bulk, but no speed and a crappy ability will get him fucked nearly everywhere.

>>29944062
Derp.
I forgot about defiant.

But the point that Brick Break doesn't exist on Bisharp still stands.

>>29943878
I've never seen this amount of salt and retardation in a single post, kek.

>>29944049
Defiant, and low kick prolly does the same thing

>>29944093
Bisharp never carries Low Kick either.

The most common Bisharp set in OU has Knock Off, Iron Head, and Sucker Punch. All of which Incineroar can tank with ease.

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Can someone confirm once and for all if spirit shackle keeps opponents trapped after Decidueye switches out? I'm thinking not, but I can't find any info anywhere.

>>29944167
Ask on the Smogon research thread

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>>29944267
>Smogon

>>29944085
How about this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EYX2pmXe14U

>>29944313
What the fuck do you think this thread is about, retard?
>m-merely pretending
fuck off

>>29943476
The fuck? There's nothing stopping a NU tier mon from competing with those in OU.

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>>29941164
>>29942340
Hahahaha! We're OU, boys!

>>29944316
That doesn't change the fact Decidueye is shit, though.

>>29944565
It took 3 tries but we finally have a good grass/ghost pokemon!

>>29944565
Dhelmise doesn't get Spirit Shackles. It stuck with a shitty Steel type Thousand Waves.

>>29944681
Anchor Shot: The user entangles the target with its anchor chain while attacking. The target becomes unable to flee. 100% accuracy [Steel] 80 BP, Physical.

>>29940953
Why couldn't Incineroar have tough claws or something as a HA?

>>29944724
Spirit Shackles effect remains after he switches or faints.

Steel typing can only take you so far.

>>29944726
Why couldn't Primarina have Serene Grace? Why couldn't Decidueye have Speed Boost?

Because fuck you, that's why.

>>29944788
And you still haven't provided a source on this.

Also steel typing can take you to normal and fighting types.

>>29944788
I've yet to find a source that states that Spirit Shackle remains after a switch or fainting, and I've yet to find a source that Anchor Shot doesn't.

>>29944788
Sauuuce.

>>29944565
>Good stats
>Ghost and Grass STAB
>Ability that powers up steel moves, signature move is Steel
>Cool design

Based as fuck. I'll need some hands on experience with Robin Hoot and Davy Jones before I can decide between them, they both look so good.

>>29944788
Yeah, it's SE against fucking fairies and most good steel types use STAB moves in at least 1(one) set;
>scizor
>bisharp
>ferrothorn
>heatran (flash canon set)
>mega-mawile
Even there's that Iron Head Skarmory set.

You're underestimating how good a trapping STAB steel move is, also
>Anchor shot doesn't trap enemies after switches/faints.
You better get a sauce on that, fampai.

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>>29945001
>Kirito

I was not expecting that.

>>29945001
kek

>>29945001
You forgot Pheromosa

OU is going to be hell until they finally ban these things

I'm surprised they're letting Aegislash back in (if they are?) since it's basically a 720 BST mon with how slow it is

>>29945001
bretty gud.

>>29945121
I could have also added Lando-I but i can only use 6 mons.

>>29940712
why the fuck did gamefreak made them all so slow

>>29945121
Sadly, Aegislash doesn't seem long for OU since it walls and shits on even more things now. After it goes, Pheromosa is going to terrorize everything.

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>>29945001

>>29945158
Looks like they are rebalancing the game, and game freak sucks at predicting, so they don't want to nerf them later.
They were generous with some buffs this gen so I wouldn't be surprised if alolamons get buffed later if they do too badly.
Or they may pull another gengar and start crippling everything else to the same level.

>>29945197
Pheremosa will be banned at the same time because of its strong as fuck U-turn and incredible synergy with Psychic Terrain

>>29945356
She barely has moves and Lele might be banned before her so.

>>29941164
>That's all that it is- a rumor. Trapping moves do not persist once the user leaves the field.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokemon-sun-moon-battle-mechanics-research.3586701/page-27#post-7085080

>>29941164
Does it get memento?

>>29945401
She doesn't need moves when she has 151 Speed, 137 offenses, and near-perfect coverage with High Jump Kick, U-Turn, and Ice Beam. Have you seen the calcs? She outspeeds the majority of scarf mons and 1 or 2HKOs the majority of OU. Not only that, her typing gives her a resistance to most priority moves. She's way too strong to stay.

>>29945463
I feel like if any mon aside from Mega Ray has the potential to be AG, it's Pheramosa.

>>29945495
nah, she's just a worse Deoxys-A

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>>29945429
I would still appreciate hard data specifically testing Spirit Shackle to see if it differs from trapping move conventions, but this is what I suspected.

Decidueye will be a great addition to OU. Something easy to kill

No matter how good a Pokémon is y'all will find a way to make it bad lol. Primarina is the best starter regardless of its competitive use.

>>29941021
>A physical Fire/Dark with 530 BST and Intimidate
>PU

>>29940712
even as an owlfag - this does seem about right.

>>29945997
>A physical Fire/Dark with 530 BST and Intimidate
>Anything other then PU

>>29946222
>better bulk than Arcanine, a defensive Fire type in UU
>U-Turn, Knock Off
>>>PU

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>>29940744
>Decidueye will be the hitmonchan and ambipom of OU

>>29946295
>Knock Off
HAHAHA

If there's no way to get Long Reach/Intimidate/Liquid Voice in game, when do you think we'll be able to? Because as it stands, all three of them aren't going to make it anywhere above UU at this rate.

Incineroar is probably the most fucked because water is everywhere in UU and he won't even have Intimidate to help pad his bulk.

>>29946384
Idiot.

>>29946462
2/3 of there abilities are not that great anyway

Incineroars only one that needs it

>>29946480
Hey, your the one that thinks Incineroar gets Knock Off.

>>29946488
Long Reach can be situationally useful for avoiding Rocky Helmet/status abilities/King's Shield, but it's not really that great otherwise. Liquid Voice at least gives STAB, but it also gives Water Absorb abilities the niche of being able to absorb Perish Song and shit.

Intimidate is the most useful, but the problem is that Incineroar is so gimped without it that he just becomes mediocre instead of trash.

>>29946480

Every single on of Incineroar's Dark Moves:
Nasty Plot
Crunch
Darkest Lariat
Throat Chop
Bite
Taunt
Torment
Fling
Brutal Swing
Quash
Snarl
Dark Pulse

>>29946549
Yes but how many of his moves actually make contact
If spirit shackle makes contact thats pretty shit

>>29946653
Spirit Shackle is Physical, so more than likely it'll count as contact. A lot of its movepool is physical despite his SpA being slightly better, but it doesn't seem to punish you for wanting to use one over the other.

Long Reach isn't fantastic by any means, but given that 'on contact' moves and abilities have been becoming more common, it's nice to have something to negate that.

>>29946774
*Attack is better, sorry. Special attacks are still there if you want to use them though.

>>29946222
I'm sure it will be NU. Shame for it that RU has an infinitely better fire/dark type.

>>29946801
Meh Houndoom is very different to incineroar
I can see mega get a bit more use with megas now turn one speed

>>29946774
>Spirit Shackle is Physical, so more than likely it'll count as contact.

That's not how contact works, it fires an arrow its not contact

>>29946836
thats not how pokemon works

>>29946774
>a fucking arrow is contact

also it has higher attack than SpA

>>29946819
yeah houndoom is 10x better because of mega

>>29947056
blame gamefreak

>>29947079
SS isn't gonna be contact downie

>>29947091
it is tho tard. fuck off casual

>>29947114
source or you're a homosexual

you don't want to be a faggot do you?

>>29946819
If Incineroar gets rocks after the move tutor comes out then it might work as a shitty version of Lando-t in lower tiers.

>>29947119
the burden of proof is on you fagtron. Your mother is right, you're a failure

>>29947151
sorry I don't converse with gaylords. goodbye

>>29947156
what a loser hahaha, his mum probably called him because the tendies are ready kek

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Spirit_Shackle_(move)

>>29947195
>he thinks physical = contact

earthquake confirmed for contact

>>29941943
kek

>>29940744
And they say Incineroar fags are the most delusional.

>>29944726
Balanced around Doubles. Intimidate is great in VGC.

Now if they'll actually release Intimidate within the season remains to be seen.

>>29940712
There's actually a tier below NU now, anon. Thought you should know.

>>29941717
>Dark type loses to Fighting type

WHAT A SURPRISE

>>29941717
What kind of Hariyama set are you putting in? Itemless Incineroar's Flare Blitz is a guaranteed 2HKO on the RU set on Smogon.

252+ Atk Incineroar Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 152 Def Hariyama: 240-283 (55.9 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>29941717
252+ Atk Hariyama Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Weavile: 1152-1356 (409.9 - 482.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Hariyama: 278-328 (64.8 - 76.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Weavile fucking SUCKS dude, instant PU

>>29942108

Bro, go easy on him... can't you tell he has autism?

If spirit shackle is durable, owl gets niche usage all the way up to ubers and is at least OU. Permanent trap is hella stupid powerful. Game breaking even.

>>29940712
>using starters in competitive

I know what tier I'd Put yoU in.

Most of the people that choose Incineroar and Primarina already accepted their pokemon aren't making it to OU, but for whatever reason Decidueye's people can't accept their owl is terrible. They are saying they are going to use it as a pivot but it's doesn't even work well for that. This is what a pivot is suppose to be:

"A pivot is a Pokemon that is generally only used for switching. Due to good defensive stats and a solid defensive typing, they can usually take little damage as they switch in, and the opposing switch they force allows the player to switch again safely to another Pokemon. An offensive pivot will force a switch by threatening KO on the opponent, thus obtaining momentum, whereas a defensive pivot will be difficult to break past, and thus will slow the opponent's momentum."

Decidueye lack both the defense and offense to be any kind of good pivot.

>But I can use spirit shackle + boosting move + baton pass.

So you are telling me you think Decidueye can survive 3 turns with its bulk and poorly defensive type?

>Bu-But it can heal itself with sinthesis or roost!

Well, then you will never be able to complete the combo spirit shackle + boosting move + baton pass, you will be just slowing the inevitable.

>>29952820
Most actual competitive players know where to actually place Decidueye and I never heard anyone say it'll be a pivot.

>>29952205
>ChariXard
>ChariYard
>MVenusaur
>Blaziken
>Serperior

>>29952820
It can pull the combo off if it traps a stall Pokemon that can't do shit to it, like Ferrothorn.

How you're going to trap it is tricky though. It all comes down to prediction. At the very least it can help force switches.

>>29952935
I read this a couple of times today, on a forum, people saying that decidueye makes a great pivot. Is good to hear that most people don't think that.

>>29946295
>Knock Off
ayylmao
And sucker punch while we are at it

>>29940712
Primarina and Incineroar are gonna be RU. There are things in UU and up that outclass them completely.

Decidueye is UU. It carves a niche with its signature move and Baton Pass.

>>29950668
Weavile is fast and has priority moves. Incineroar is a tank Arcanine wannabe with no morning sun
>inb4 leech life retard

>>29940712
Flip the last two

>>29953352
>Heel pokemon doesn't get the cheap shot move
>Gamefreak will defend this

>>29942793
Yeah if you like to tell lies

>>29953103
You have to invest in bulk to not get 2HKOd with Gyro Ball.

I want people to explain to me Why you think decidueye will be UU or above

>>29953474
This comic explains it perfectly >>29945001
Retards think it's the biggest blow to stall since Hoopa Unbound because it can trap things and set up on them while keeping itself healthy.
What's gonna happen though is on release people will be using way more offensive teams, they will also be using all the shit that's getting unbanned and retested which usually deals with stall even better than Decidueye just with their sheer amount of power. And even after all that shit stabilizes Decidueye will still be terrible vs stall because it can't trap and beat common stall staples like M-Sableye, Chansey and Skarmory. It's also heavily gated by 4mss to deal with other stall staples.

>>29953458
Well yeah what else are you going to invest in?

>>29953711
That just makes it even less threatening to the things that'll likely switch in on it.

>>29953352
H-he'll get it next game with tutors.....

>Incineroar and Primarina fans have resigned themselves and are largely tempering their expectations
>Decidueye fags can't accept reality and WILL force the owl into OU a la ambipom

Why do they do this /vp/?

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>>29940712
*laughs* you are wrong
Primarina and Incineroar will be UU
Decidueye will be RU.

>>29953884
Primarina and Incineroar are confirmed shit though you retard, both NU or RU at best

Decidueye is the one with room to debate

>>29945401
Lele chan is perfect! she'll never get banned!

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>>29953884
>*Action*

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>>29953907
>Owlfags

>>29940744

no, they all are so bad

>>29953907
>weavile used knock off

El tigre is the only one I can consider to be good. Nice Bulk, Nice coverage, good Attack and 60 speed for trickroom

>>29954677

imo, in doubles tiger can be sweeper if we pair him with instruct and some speed and attack boost

>>29954721
it learns sword dance anon. The only thing I am kinda bugged about is that he can´t learn fire punch.

Also Intimidate is super. How can we get his HA?

>>29954861
>Also Intimidate is super. How can we get his HA?
Wait for two generations

Most viable high tier offensive set for bad cat is jolly choice scarf, flare blitz, darkest lariat, u turn, and eq.

Basically a less effective darmanitan.

>>29942812
>>29942827
>>29953451
Learn how to samefag

>>29955054
Or a worse Emboar?

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>>29953884
>Incineroar and Primarina have Pokemon that outclass them in UU
>They will be UU

>>29955749
>Decidueye has a pokemon that outclasses it that'll be RU at best
>Decidueye will be RU

>>29955787
It doesn't. There is a total of 3 grass types and 3 ghost types in RU. None of which are even remotely similar to it in anyway outside of the typing and some move pool overlap. And I don't see any Pokemon in RU that can trap most Pokemon, can pass either Swords Dance or Nasty Plot, and resists scald/immune to spore.

>>29956108
The only Spore user that isn't in OU is in PU.

>>29956140
Will Shiinotic be a Breloom or a Parasect?

LOL. Retards really think Owl will be OU?

>>29956216
Reddit said it would be the next greninja

>>29942298
>>29942157
>>29942717
Why are Rowlettcucks so delusional?

>>29955787
Decidueye and Dhelmise will be like Coke and Pepsi. Each have their small advantages over the other but they are more or less the same shit, no reason why they shouldn't both be RU.

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>>29956379
>Facts are delusion

>>29956603
>Decidueye being in OU
>fact
Honestly people posting this shit have no idea how competetive works. You're either a full on slow wallbreaker with one of the attack stat being really high, or fast mixed attacker. Decidueye can't pull off neither of those things. It has nothing worth of coverage in its special movepool, so there's literally no reason to go mixed. Scarfing it is an even worse idea since it will be piss weak and hard-countered by steel mons and literally every single physical wall that isn't weak to its STAB

>>29940712
Primarina = U
Incineroar = U
Decidueye = U

this is the only true answer.

>>29957710
>muh competetive
you're the retarded one for caring about competetive pokemon.
and to your knowledge i had won a several vgc tournaments in the past so don't try to teach me in something i've mastered already. go and fuck your dog you digusting furfag

>>29959659
>you're retarded for caring about competitive
>btw i care enough about competitive to win a bunch of tournaments
wew lad

Decidueye's only possible niche in OU only works against stall teams that lack an offensive poke. Hyper offense and some balanced teams either kill it instantly or work around it.

I can see Incineroar being an effective bulky attacker/wall that can go mixed. Sadly, that fighting weakness is gonna follow it everywhere and will eventually stop it from being viable on higher tiers.

Primarina in my opinion is the most viable of the three, but that doesn't mean I'll be instant OU. It needs to spend some of it's bulk on defense and HP if it wants to survive a strong physical attack, which hinders it's offensive capabilities and forces it to sacrifice SpA just for that. There's also the fact that competing with Tapu Fini, Tapu Lele, Sylveon, and Clefable for the "specially offensive bulky fairy" spot will leave it very low on the list, since it's only niche is being able to burn stuff with Scald.

Why do people say boomburst primarina is OU? Doesn't liquid voice lack a boost to boom burst?

>>29960009
Nobody is saying that since Primarina doesn't get Boomburst.

All three starters will be RU at most.

>>29940712
so is incineroar fire dark?

Primarina: no reliable recovery + ass coverage + ass defense + ass speed = NU trashbin

Incineroar: ehh recovery(Leech Life) + ehh coverage + good attack + ass defense = RU/king of NU

Decidueye: reliable recovery(Roost) + nice mixed stats + ok defense + scarf user = UU/king of RU

>>29960686
>scarfing a mon with base 100 attack
>Incineroar has ass defense
Anon.....

>>29940712
OP = FU

>>29960686
>Primarina: ass coverage
It lacks a couple things, but coverage certainly isn't one of them.