wtf I love flying water types now!

I still hate Pelipper for being the retarded looking evolution of one of my more favorite Pokemon designs.

>>29939247
Pichu used thundershock

>>29939315
dunno why but this time that joke actually made me kek

>>29939315
>140 SpDef
ebin

PELLIPER GETS DRIZZLE with Hurricane always hitting.. , TORKOAL GETS DROUGHT THIS IS THE GREATEST THING EVER.

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>>29939341
>Water type special wall
>x4 weakness

>>29939390
>roost/tailwind

How did they get buffed?

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>>29939334
me too anon

I hate Pelipper's appearance but I am using him because he's so good now.

Though not I have bubblebug I might work him out of the team and get another flyer.

>>29939458
mantine got roost and +10 hp
pelipper got drizzle and +15 special attack

>>29939343
Rain is gonna be sick but I fear for Sun, Torkoal is nice and all but Sun didn't really get any other new mons that really benefit from it.

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>>29939458
Pelliper gets Drizzle as a Hidden Abiity now, making him without a doubt the best Rain setter in OU

>STAB no miss Hurricanes
>Access to Roost, U-Turn, Scald, Defog, Hydro Pump, all the juice basically
>Looks ten times cooler than a retarded frog, so your Rain team isn't bogged down by a dumb looking shitmon

Mantine just got a SpDef buff I believe. I do not care a single bit about it, so I will not give any opinion on it

>>29939539
>Hidden Abiity
it's a regular ability

>>29939539
Mantine also got Roost

>>29939548
Well that's even better then

>>29939539
mantine got a hp buff, not special defense buff, and roost

>>29939518
it's +20 hp and +10 special attack but you're right

>>29939311
Gen 3 was full of cool designs that either turned to shit or went nowhere

>>29939311
I like the retardness of Pelliper

>>29939311
fuck off pelipper is bro-tier design

Nobody in the thread has mentioned Gyarados yet

>>29939311
>>29939629
these.
Wingull is a bro tier

>>29939708
>bro-tier
Does this word even mean anything now? It's pretty much just "fuck you I like it" for when you don't have an actually argument.

Did any other old mons get significant updates like this?

>>29939311
Fuck you.

>>29939767
And calling something retarded is an argument?

>>29939895
Flygon got Dragon Dance, some other Pokémon got Snow Warning/Sand Stream that I forget.

Is it true that Leech Life went from 20 to 80 damage?

>>29939311
You can choke 2bh

>>29939967
Yes.

>>29939895
Dugtrio got +20 Attack
Dodrio got +10 Speed and Jump Kick
Swellow got +25(?) Special Attack
Gigalith got Sand Stream
Vanilluxe got Snow Warning
Beartic got +20 Attack and Slush Rush (Swift Swim for Hail)

among others.

I literal replayed gen 3, 2 years back, just to use breed a pelipper in gen 5 with air slash

>>29940051
>Swellow got +25(?) Special Attack
that's a total waste, should have given it +10 HP and +15 ATK

>>29940051
>Swellow got +25(?) Special Attack
That's the one thing I missed. Surprised they apparently took notice of the Boomburst set.

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>>29939531
>he forgot about leaf guard lurantis

Any new drought users?

>>29940121
Yes, fucking Torkoal got it of all things.
With Will-O he can tank physical hits better than Skarmory

>>29940121

torkoal.

Apparently turn order is now decided after mega evolution which gives a huge buff to many megas in turn. Beedrill no long has to run protect.

Does serebii or bulbapedia or some other site have a list of all old pokemon buffs?

>>29940093
STAB Boomburst nigga

>>29940165
Of course not, they're pretending the info doesn't exist until the game is officially released. Bulbapedo because it's their policy, and Serebii because he got a C&D for posting pics from BW before they came out and somehow assumes that if he posts literally any leaked info, Nintendo will sue him. Even though, you know, every other fucking site has been posting leaks for two generations and nothing ever happens.

>>29940269
Okay, I don't check those sites at all, so I had no idea.

Any changes to pokemon moves? I know thunder wave is 90% acc now

>Hear about Masquirin buff.
>Never cared about it in the slightest.
>Prepare competetively trained version anyway just so I can see the stats improve when I sent it to SM.

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>>29939390
>pris"norecovery"na
>mil"noutility"c

>>29940317
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokemon-sun-moon-battle-mechanics-research.3586701/

There you go. Scroll down to the Moves section.

>>29939531
Clorophyl Quiver dance bellosom

:^)

Looking forward to mkaking a hail team with snowslash and beartic

>>29939390

Doesn't matter, since hardly anything runs Electric coverage.

Mantine's real flaw is its shallow movepool. It gets nothing outside of Roost, Defog, Haze, Tailwind and its STABs, which sounds cool until you realize it describes every single Flying type.

>Gyarados gets Z-Splash
>Mantine gets Roost and more HP
>Pelipper gets Drizzle

So they're giving Swanna Geomancy, right?

>>29939390
Because walls with 4x weakness are so bad. Right ferrothorn?

Is hail still shit this gen?

And did anything change with sandstorm?

>>29939531
Sun has the fucking Charizard Y + Venusaur combo, it doesn't need anything.

>>29939760
Because Gyarados is the same as always.

>>29939760
>>29942925
Z-Splash gives +3 atk

>>29942925
>>29943376
>>29939760
Also notable because Gyarados is the only okay-ish user of the Z-splash meme other than Poliwag and possibly Sogaleo

>>29940269
Bulbapedia's got a couple things up already, but I guess that's 'cause it's open to be edited by whomever.

Only a couple more days anyhow.

>>29943443
Probably not meta-changing or anything, but Clawitzer can can use it with Aqua Jet, and still do big dents with its special attack

>>29939311
I like Pelipper because it saved me against Norman

>>29942900
Yea but it already has that and it's not going to get any better in SuMo. Rain however is getting better.

>>29943443
Poliwrath is a better user with Water Absorb and Swift Swim.

Mantine is cool but Pelipper is still trash
Same for Torkoal since Sun is trash and pebbles are still everywhere

>>29940699
Beartic not in alolan dex

>>29941705
pelipper gets more sp.attack too

>>29940093
>not using specs boomburst

>>29947823
Pelliper can run a very good scarf set now, being able to come in and instantly put up rain, then pick between 100% accurate STAB hurricane, STAB boosted Hydro Pump/Scald, or just U-Turn out of there

>>29943443
>forgetting about azumarill

>>29940379
>prisna
>milc
What did he mean by this?

Is everyone ignoring how post-Bank Mega Swampert will be super viable in doubles without needing Protect!?

Pelipper as a partner will mean Earthquake can be safely used without needing to worry about wasting a turn protecting.

Sun and Moon are God send when we finally get access to our other mons.

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>mantine isn't in the alola dex