she ruined the games

I don't understand what was the point of the #TrainOn! marketing with the live-action trailers and all the other SM promotion that really made you feel like Alola was going to be (YOU)R adventure. (YOU)R journey. (YOU)R island challenge.

and like game leaks and no dude it's lillies lmao

At least in BW where N had a similar role, you SHARED the spotlight with him.

>>29906358
You still do the island challenge? You're still the champion? It's just the UB/Aether plot is Lillie's story.

should be called Pokemon Lillie tbqh

>>29906358
N had 1/3 of Lillie's screentime if not less. Then again, SM is much more talky and "cinematic" than any of previous gens.

>>29906358
How is it that two gens later, and BW1 is still the only game to do "story" right? There has to be a reason. Even to this day tons of people still talk about Unova's story/lore.

The plot is good, engaging, but never actively gets in your way. If you don't care about it, that's fine, it doesn't force you to.

Why can't future gens repeat this?

>>29906404
The game literally begins and ends with Lillie. It's Lillie's story all the way through.

Honestly, is this character aimed at 9-11 y.o boys audience?

Waifufags will defend this.

problem with the story in sun/moon is that it doesn't actually get going until you learn that lusamina is lillie's mom and that she's bad.

that's at the end of the third island. way too late.

then they make all this fuss about ultra space and it's a fucking 5 second linear corridor with no random battles. god damn, they fucked the pooch so hard.

>>29906521
>>29906522
They should have just went all the way with Hau's crush on Lillie. It was cute and felt like they wanted to have something going, but pussied out because they feared that the player might actually like her.

>>29906483
I'd take a bullet for Unova but it's overrated as hell plotwise.

N was interesting, but Plasma was a bad joke. Just awful.

>>29906585
Half of the characters relationships and backstories were vague in sun & moon like they were trying to do something with them but stopped half way, Lillie's the only character that had a full backstory and development out of all the characters if you ask me

>GF's idea of a 20th anniversary is a stereotypical PS2 JRPG

Ohhhhhh mamma mia!

>>29906635

Agreed. Yet BW1 still had the best plot of all main Pokemon games, even if the bar is pitifully low. Personally I don't understand why they haven't improved at all, and have actually gotten noticeably shittier (XY).

>>29906635
Yeah, but the rest of Pokemon games have awful plot

>>29906521
> boys
> not lolicucks
Come on pham

Lillie is dogshit :^)

I would mating press this cutie

>>29906267
Lillie is a natural result of the limits of silent characters.

Think of her like what Midna is to link in TP, she's the talker and you're the do-er.

Pokemon isn't like persona or other games where you make choices that impact the story and the best way to rise the stakes of the adventure is through characters like Lillie.

>>29906842
Except pokemon games were fine before, when they didn't do this.

This game is so fucking bad, I've never had less fun with a Pokemon game in my life

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>>29906267
No she made it better

>>29906906
Kill yourself fucking retard.

>>29906267
Cutscenes/10

I haven't played the game yet or seen any playthrough, but seeing as I generally hate silent protagonists and player avatars I am actually okay with the plot revolving around someone else for a change. An actual character instead of a blank slate that doesn't react.

>>29907053
this desu

one of the worst parts of the game is how the player character always has that :^) face regardless of what's happening and never reacts to anything, it really breaks immersion. having another character with an actual personality helps.

>>29907053
That's the problem. Why CAN'T the blank slate react? Why do they have that stupid fucking =) face for the entire game?

Avatars in Fire Emblem (another Ninty franchise) for example, have their own character and personality, they directly interact with other characters and have their own dialogue. They impact the story. Of course, their plots are no better than Pokemon, but that's another thing.

>>29907053
>An actual character instead of a blank slate that doesn't react.

Too bad we're stuck with both.

>>29906483
Sun and moon is the most story focused game yet, liking it our not comes down to liking lillie, hau, gladion and lusamine i do think they were good characters and i likes them but if someone dont they would probably dislike Sun and moon

>>29907053
>>29907092
Most franchises seem to be dropping the idea of a silent protag/avatar that reacts to nothing. It really is immersion breaking. Pokemon just prefers being stuck in the past.

Even Link in Breath of the Wild is beginning to show signs of having his own character, and they actually CALL him Link, you can no longer rename him.

>>29907096
>>29907092
Well, I didn't say it was perfect. I haven't paid attention to story spoilers so I don't know how good or bad it is. I'm just saying, at first glance, it feels like a nice change of pace.

I wish Pokemon, Nintendo and video games in general would do away with mindless avatars, at least in games with a plot, but they insist on using it because muh immersion.

>>29906897
Anhedonia can be treated.

>>29906969
>triggered meme

Calm down and seek professional help if someone liking a character you don't make you act this aggressive, anon.

>>29907260
MCFUCKING KILL YOURSELF
HOW CAN YOU LIKE THAT HWORE

>Lilliehaters (aka normies and /v/ will get triggered when she comes back in the next game because she is popular in Japan
Can't wait.

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>>29906267
Not at all. I find her adorable and I love how autistic /vp/ is getting over her.

You don't even need to argue, you just need to say "I like Lillie" and there you go, anons foaming for their mouths over a children's game.

>>29907376
It's even better because the Japanese fandom will love her.

>>29907178
No, he's being referred to as the "link" between the game and the player.

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>>29906267
Nah, she's alright, the game is great and she is one of the reasons why.

You can't please everyone I guess, but I know I'm happy and sometimes it feels nice to be part of the minority.

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>>29907376
I like Lillie!

>>29907396
>the one time nips' shit taste is beneficial
>>29907376
I'm just waiting for official art of her ponytail design.
It's cute.

>>29906585
so they took out the NTR part? oh man!

>>29907477
They still left a hint that he was going to confess to her by the end of the game, so not totally.

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i LOVE lillie

>>29907591
then i guess that i will chose the female trainer for the sake of yuri experience

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WORSE THAN ZINNIA

>>29907053
Why not like smt? Mc is silent but you can respond and has a lot of dialogue choices. Look at Devil Survivor for DS, game has so many option that you can pick a silly answer to ruin the mood and every npc reacts to it.

>>29906759
I thought that little boys prefer someone more mature looking.

>>29906585
Fuck Hau and Lillie. I wanted her mom

>>29907077
Doesn't his face change to a :o during the UBs?

>>29907053
This, but honestly that kind of shit doesn't really belong in a pokemon game. Pokemon games should have a selfish/doesn't give a fuck protagonist and give you freedom. In SM you are pretty much her bitch.

>>29908073
>not wanting to be Lillie's bitch

>>29907976
Too much effort for Gamefreak.
Plus those games are more budget, they don't need to edit the stupid grin on the MC's model.

>>29907077
Holy fuck this. You look like a brain dead patient when something crazy happens. It's the only problem I had with the story.

>>29907178
They've been giving Link personality since WW.

>>29907077
Why not change that problem?

>>29906522
You can see that in this thread. Game's fans are smug about how they like her and how she'll keep showing up and be popular etc.

It reveals that people are less fans of the game than they are fans of Lillie, and their opinions flow from there.

>>29908621
>You're the first ever champion!
:^)
>my only pokemon friend in the whole world has evolved and I want you to take him
:^)
>I'm leaving to get my mom treatment
:^)
>I'm crying because Lillie is leaving and I apparently loved her
:^)

I love Lillie and will marry her
She'll be great in the anime too

Lillie is a pokegoddess

It's possible to like Lillie and hate the plot, you know. I think she's cute but I want my character to matter and not need to baby sit her. Or at least make it less tedious to baby sit her.

>>29907077
>>29908621
>>29908899
For fucks sake have some generic shock/neutral/grim or sad face or something. Make it fit with everyone else's mood.
Step up Game Freak.
>>29909068
She should've become a trainer earlier.
Does she use the fully evolved legend in a battle or is it just cutscenes?

>>29909147
It's so people get hyped about battling Lillie in a future game.

>>29909204
She's just going to be the new Cynthia.

>>29909147
No, she immediately hands it to you.

>>29908899
Even XY had you make a serious expression when defeating lyssandre

>>29907976
Many SMT games have a party of hcaracters that accompany you and react to stuff in your place. Pokemon is fundamentally lonelier since it's just you adventuring and running into people

Also VN storytelling

>>29908073
I like that they actually gave you the option to be a dick to lilie from time to time, you can give her a negative answer and she will get angry at you.

>>29911235
Eh, they're just playful. Like "I tried really hard, you know" if you tell her her new look is just OK or after she crosses the bridge if you don't praise her she just says "Oh you, spoilsport!".

>>29907092
>they directly interact with other characters and have their own dialogue

If the dialogue is fucking insanely retarded and their thought process are incomprehensible and inhumane behind believe as in FE: Fates Conquest, I rather have a blank slate.

>have a thing for blonde's in sun dresses
>she loses it
Slightly triggered.