Sun & Moon Competitive Sets

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>>29894200
That's quite a spread you have there, OP. Allow me to counter with my Toxapex. Admittedly, I haven't run any calculations for EVs, as it seems you have.

Toxapex @ Black Sludge
Ability: Merciless
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Scald
- Venoshock
- Toxic
- Recover

wtf is that spread lmao

Care to explain the reasoning/calcs behind it?

>>29894200
a competeive set depends on the meta

i hate this about pokemon

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Less whining, more builds. They can be adjusted accordingly later.

Komala @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Comatose
EVs: 4 HP/ 252 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch
- Return

Tsareena @ choice scarf
queenly majesty or w/e it's called
252 att/ 252 spe
Trop kick
High jump kick
U turn
Acrobatics

>>29894246

You can also run that set with Baneful Bunker and Toxic Spikes, then rely on Regenerator for recovery.

>>29894246
I like the actual set (probably what I'll run), but I'd replace Merciless with Regenerator, and stick the 252 EV's in SpA into one of the defenses.

This thing isn't made for attacking, it's made for stalling and spreading status around.

>>29894488
I think that's enough of a change to call that its own set completely, anon. I sure as hell wouldn't be using a Modest Toxapex without Merciless either, personally.

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>>29894200
>OU until ban
Pheromosa @ Life Orb
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Att / 252 Spd
Naive Nature
- U-Turn
- High Jump Kink
- Poison Jab
- Ice Beam
>STAB
>Muh momentum Turn
>HJK of wall break
>Ice Beam for Lando Chomp Skarm
>Poison Jab for mainly Clef and other fairies

>>29894372
And with both Showdown and PkHex the meta moves at lightspeed from day 1.

First month of the meta will be complete chaos, imagine the broken shit and the Tapu/UB/Marshadow abuse that will happen.

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do one for ribombee

>>29894488
Toxic is far more reliable to get the poison condition though.

When you're guaranteed the poison you don't need to switch out for regen.

Yes, the idea is viable--especially if you wanna focus on stall/defense. I think Toxic, Venoshock/Scald/Recover with Merciless is better if you want to go offense.

>>29894519
literally my mom's frail genesect

>>29894200
But really though, what the fuck is that ev spread?

>>29894548
252 speed, 252 special attack

Modest or Timid nature

Moonblast
Bugbuzz/puffblast
hiddenpower ground/fire
energyball/gigadrain

>>29894542
Showdown players are fun on cartridge. I can't wait for all the rage quits from swagger whimsicott

>>29894246
>>29894557
Why are you running scald when surf is objectively better in this situation?
Oh right, it's because you're a smogonfag and you people have no critical thinking

>>29894200
Silvally @ Darkinium Z
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
~Return/Double-Edge
~Parting Shot
~Crunch
~Swords Dance

Set up with SD and get outta there with Z-Parting Shot when shit hits the fan.

>>29894557

Merciless Toxapex kinda sucks. Leave the Venoshock sweeping to something meant to do it. Like Gengar, which can proceed to come in with Venoshock/Hex after Toxapex has worn down the enemy.

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>>29894548
I think Ribombee works best with the obvious build. That's gonna be its problem competitively: it'll be predictable.

Ribombee @ Life Orb
Ability: Shield Dust
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Modest Nature
- Pollen Puff
- Moonblast
- Hidden Power (Ground)
- Energy Ball

Where's everyone getting their stats and movepools from now anyway,now that the youtube videos have been Nintendo'd?

>>29894635

Scald burns whatever Steel tries to come in.

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>>29894604
>no Quiver Dance

>>29894665
Oh it is because you're retarded, thanks

>>29894635
Because not everything can be poisoned, numbnuts. Without Merciless being activated, Surf is useless. Toxapex's SpA is too low on its own.

So, if the opponent is Poison or Steel type, you use Scald to burn it instead, so that Toxapex isn't completely walled by them.

Also, you're a dumbass.

>>29894662

Ribombee is meant for Doubles so it should have Protect and Speed Swap.

>>29894635
> smogonfag
Careful. You're projecting harder than an overworked professor who only uses powerpoints for a 3 hour lecture.

>>29894662
Well thanks for making it cleaner than mine

I love the bee, hopefully it hits UU

>>29894665
shh, let him try and be superior

>>29894685
Ah fuck I totally forgot, you'd drop energy ball for it.

>>29894689
Are...Are you serious?

Are we being baited here?

Shit, I'm not even the guy you're replying to and I'm slightly triggered.

Decidueye @ Leftovers
Long Reach
252 HP/238 SpD/18 Attk
Adamant Nature
Spirit Shackle
Roost
U-Turn/Leaf Blade
Feather Dance

Araquanid @ Assault Vest
Water Bubble
252 HP/128 Attk/128 Def
Adamant
Liquidation
Leech Life
Toxic
*insert fourth move here*

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>>29894200
Will Lunala even be viable in Ubers with 4X weakness to dark? What's a good spread?

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>>29894685
See, this is why I need to find a resource with all the movepools.

>>29894725
I agree.

Ribombee @ Life Orb
Ability: Shield Dust
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Modest Nature
- Pollen Puff
- Moonblast
- Hidden Power (Ground)
- Quiver Dance

>>29894747
*sucker punches*

>>29894699
You right. Dis dude on dum

>>29894736
>Decidueye
Man I'm really struggling to come up with a good set for this guy. He seems like he'd make for a great support mon with Spirit Shackle, Baton Pass, U-Turn, and Swords Dance.

I just can't come up with a good EV spread for him though.

Mimikyu @ Life Orb
Ability: Disguise
EVS: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 6 HP
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Leech Life
- Play Rough
- Shadow Sneak

>>29894778
There's actually only a few pokemon in the current the OU that counter him.

If you read a switch to Tyranitar or something, you can do FD and then trap them and heal off damage.

>>29894787
>SD LO
>Not z-splash

>>29894449

Acrobatics with Choice Scarf

Minior @ White Herb
EVS: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 6 HP
Jolly/Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Acrobatics
- Stone Edge
- Earth Quake

Pretty sure this'll be standard for it.

>>29894813

Z-Splash is terrible. All it takes is your opponent to force you to switch out, and you're left with no way to boost your attack, and have complete dead weight for one-fourth of your moves.

>>29894813
You can swap it out if you want, but I think SD LOrb is going to be much more versatile, and if you get switched out for any reason there is potential to set up again.

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>>29894449
I approve this set, but I will add natures:
Impish/Adamant/Jolly

>>29894845
So exactly like Belly Drum Azumarill now, except it doesn't lose half its health?

>>29894754
>Pollen Puff
Outside of doubles this move is worthless compared to bug buzz

>>29894845
>>29894851
How do you plan on coming back in with mimikyu's shit defenses and no more disguise
He has one chance to hit off
>>29894863
>+3 = +6

>>29894804
You don't know that because the meta hasn't begun really.

>>29894821
Remove Acrobatics and add Play Rough, dragon killer.

>>29894872

Switch in to a Pokemon you resist or have an immunity to, predict your opponent to switch out or make them think you're switching. Literally thing you do for literally every Pokemon that runs stuff like SD/DD.

>>29894821
It's just to revenge kill bugs. I didn't do any calcs but I assume it will do better damage on bugs than hjk or trop kick

>>29894871
I'm doing this from memory. I thought Pollen Puff had 90 BP? Have I remembered wrong?

>>29894736
Why did you give him toxic and assault vest?

Minior @ Weakness Policy
EVS: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / Sp.Def HP
Jolly/Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Explosion
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake

>>29894736
>assault vest
>toxic

you people are dumb

>>29894878
Key word is "current".
As in the Gen 6 one.

Silvally @ Focus Sash
EVS: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Jolly/Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Explosion

Remove OU

>>29894942
>Weakness Policy
>no Acrobatics

>>29894947
that's rude but I'm beginning to agree

>>29894923
It does. As does Bug Buzz along with spdef drop and going through subs.

OP here. Thanks for the sets based anons. And my apologies for the weird Toxapex spread. I was just playing around with it but it's been very helpful so far. In the Battle Tree, especially.

Minior @White Herb
Naughty
72 HP/ 252 Atk/ 184 Sp.Atk
-Shell Smash
-Acrobatics
-Power Gem
-Earthquake

Sun and Minior @Sitris Berry
Modest
72 HP/ 252 Sp.Atk/ 184 Spd
-Shell Smash
-Power Gem
-Solar Beam
-Dazzling Gleam

Wishiwashi @ Leftovers
Ability: Schooling
EVs: 252 SpA / 127 SpD / 127 Attk
Quiet Nature

- Scald
- Earthquake
- Ice beam
- Aqua ring

>>29894952
Oh, the one decidueye isn't in. Now I know you are a retard

Araquanid @ Choice Band
EVS: 252 Atk / 240 Spd / 16 HP (Jolly) or
252 Atk / 156 Spd / 104 HP (Adamant)
Jolly / Adamant Nature
-Liquidation
-Leech Life
-Poison Jab
-Crunch

Lurantis is going to be NU or PU, I know, but what would be a decent set for that?

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Nothing amazing or original but I mainly looking for a fun time.

Lycanroc(night) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: No guard
EVs: 120HP/252 Atk/200 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Brick Break
- Crunch
- Reversal/fire fang/

And

Lycanroc(night) @ Focus Sash
Ability: No guard
EVs: 252HP/252 Atk
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Reversal
- Crunch
- Rock polish

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>>29894939
/vp/ is shit at competitive Anon. Can't you tell?

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>>29894992
I found the problem. I thought Bug Buzz had 80BP. We'll call that a brain fart.

Final Version:

Ribombee @ Life Orb
Ability: Shield Dust
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Modest Nature
- Bug Buzz
- Moonblast
- Hidden Power (Ground)
- Quiver Dance

if someone has a pic of its stats and movepool, I can work on an Assault Vest build for it maybe.

>>29894839
>>29894942
>>29895000
Minior's gonna be the new Smogonbird.

Vikavolt @ Assault Vest
Ability: Levitate
Modest
8Sp.Atk, 252 HP 248 Def
Thunder Bolt
Volt Switch
Bug Buzz
Oh god, why are there no other moves
Why is this mon so shit.

Buzzwole @ Assault Vest
Ability: Beast Boost
Nature: Adamant
EV Spread: 252 Attack || 252 Sp. Def || 4 HP

Leech Life
Ice Punch
Stone Edge
Hammer Arm

too bad it doesn't get an ideal STAB fighting move. it would destroy if it gets both drain punch and knock off in next game via move tutors.

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>>29894662
https://projectpokemon.org/research/sunmoon/learnsets.txt
I have that saved for learnsets and pic related for stat distribution.

>>29895070

Ribombee
60/55/60/95/70/124

- Pollen Puff
- Absorb
- Fairy Wind
- Stun Spore
- Struggle Bug
4 Fairy Wind
7 Stun Spore
10 Struggle Bug
13 Silver Wind
16 Draining Kiss
21 Sweet Scent
28 Bug Buzz
35 Dazzling Gleam
42 Aromatherapy
49 Quiver Dance
TM04 Calm Mind
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM16 Light Screen
TM17 Protect
TM19 Roost
TM20 Safeguard
TM21 Frustration
TM22 Solar Beam
TM27 Return
TM28 Leech Life
TM29 Psychic
TM32 Double Team
TM33 Reflect
TM40 Aerial Ace
TM42 Facade
TM44 Rest
TM45 Attract
TM46 Thief
TM48 Round
TM53 Energy Ball
TM62 Acrobatics
TM77 Psych Up
TM83 Infestation
TM85 Dream Eater
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM89 U-turn
TM90 Substitute
TM96 Nature Power
TM99 Dazzling Gleam
TM100 Confide

>>29895077
No, Minior's gonna be the new Cloyster. Meaning it's one of the few Pokemon that can actually be effective at running Shell Smash.

>>29894200
Salazzle @ Black Sludge / Life Orb
Ability: Corrosion
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd
- Sludge Bomb
- Fire Blast
- Nasty Plot
- WIll-o-wisp / Toxic / Substitute / various hidden powers / Taunt

Salazzle @ Black Sludge
Ability: Corrosion
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd
- Toxic
- Will-o-wisp
- Taunt / Venoshock
- Flamethrower

Salandit @ Eviolite
Ability: Corrosion
Nature: Naive
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd
- Sludge Bomb
- Fire Blast
- Knock Off
- WIll-o-wisp / Toxic / various hidden powers / Taunt

Kommo-o @ Life Orb
Ability: Soundproof
Nature: Modest
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spd
- Clanging Scales
- Fire Blast / Focus Blast
- Flash Cannon
- Autotomize

Kommo-o @ Lum Berry / Life Orb
Ability: Soundproof
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Sky Uppercut / Brick Break
- Poison Jab

Minior @ White Herb
Ability: Shields Down
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
- Shell Smash
- Stone Edge
- Acrobatics
- Earthquake

Araquanid @ Choice Band
Ability: Water Bubble
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
- Liquidation
- Leech Life
- Crunch
- Poison Jab

Palossand @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Compaction
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpDef
- Earth Power
- Shadow Ball
- Giga Drain
- Shore Up

Toucannon @ Expert Belt
Ability: Skill Link
Nature: Naive
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpAtk / 252 Spd
- Brave Bird
- Rock Blast
- Bullet Seed
- Overheat

I want to put more toucannon sets because I love that bird dearly, but this post is already super long.

>>29895100
>>29895103
much appreciated anons.

>>29895090
>Oh god, why are there no other moves
Energy Ball

>>29895103
>Ribombee has better coverage than Vikavolt
IT'S NOT FAIR

>>29895128
Fuck, switch the second salazzle to a salandit with eviolite, and switch the salandit to salazzle. That's what I get for copy/pasting.

>>29894200
Incineroar @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk
Adamant Nature
~Flare Blitz
~Darkest Lariat/Throat Chop
~Swords Dance
~Leech Life

Went for max power but I think bulky sets could work since he has Wisp and Taunt, assuming GF actually makes Intimidate legal.

>>29895132
Also keep an eye on this: http://jake-white.github.io/VGC-Damage-Calculator/
It's being updated for Sun/Moon.

>>29895070
Also, if you want Ribombee to have Moonblast, breed it with Whimsicott. Don't make the mistake I made trying to breed it with other Pokémon.

>>29895094
poison jab can also be used over stone edge as well. depends if you need extra coverage for fairies or not.

Togedemaru @ Rocky Helmet

Ability: Iron barbs
EVs: 252 Attk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Jolly Nature

- Fake Out
- Nuzzle
- Zing Zap
- Spiky Shield

>>29894641
You don't need the Z crystal for that to work
Silvally @ Life orb/Memory
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
~Return/Multi-Attack
~Swords Dance
~Parting Shot
~Coverage
Fairy in particular and maybe also ghost will be seen with something like this set.

>>29895156

And Flash Cannon

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>>29895070

Ribombee @ Assault Vest
Ability: Shield Dust
EVs: 252 SpA / 196 Def / 60 SpD
Modest Nature
- Draining Kiss
- Moonblast
- Bug Buzz
- Hidden power (Ground)

Here's the logic. Defense has been boosted just a bit, to make it able to at least take a physical attack. Special Defense is pretty much reliant on the Assault Vest.

Moonblast/Bug Buzz/HP Ground are for coverage. Draining Kiss is for healing, to add to its bulk. By maxing out its special attacking ability, the bulk gained through Draining Kiss is increased.

No speed investment, but it's a decently fast mon already.

Very open to criticism on this build.

fuck I'm out of Ribombee pics

Alolan Raichu
Ability: Surge Surfer
Nature: Bold/Calm
EVs: 192 HP / 252 SpA / 64 SpD

- Thunderbolt (Z-move)
- Electric Terrain
- Psyshock
- Calm Mind/Focus Blast

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Can we have one of A-Ninetails? Both abilities please

Bewear @ Leftovers
Ability: Fluffy
EVs: 252 Attk / 252 HP / 4 Def
Modest Adamant

- Bulk Up
- Hammer Arm
- Payback
- Ice punch

Ice punch covers Earth, Flying, Grass and Dragon

>>29895060
That's why everybody hates smogon?

>>29895060
>/vp/ is shit at competitive
I agree but
>9gag.com
Anon I...

>>29895395
It's kinda a meme

>>29894882
It cannot learn Play Rough, anon. :(

>>29895340

Ninetales @ Focus sash?
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Timid Nature

- Nasty Plot
- Moonblast
- Blizzard
- Psyshock

>>29895340
A-Ninetails @ Icy Rock
Ability: Snow Warning
~252 SpA/252 Spe
~Blizzard
~Moonblast
~Substitute
~Disable

Intended for Hail teams but we all know how disgusting Sub+Disable is in general. Pair this with an Endeavor Sash Mamoswine or something.

>>29895395
People hate Smogon because they think they are forcing their rules on everyone.

They can always play Battle Spot Singles, VGC, or whatever rules they want. Criticizing Smogon for their sometimes dumb decisions is fine, but only if you actively participate in their format because otherwise what's the point? What's your stake at it?

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>>29895450
>rockruff
>no playrough

Who made these fucking movesets?

>>29895450

Yes, It's an egg move

>>29895469
Modest or Timid?

Also I want a A-Ninetales set with Aurora Veil,

>>29895450
Yes it can, catch a male Comfey, train it until learns Play Rough and breed it with a Bonsweet. You get a Tsareena with support to wreck Dragons and Fighting shits.

>>29895450
It can via egg moves. That's pretty much the only worthwhile egg move it gets, iirc.

>>29895469
Obtaining a Vulpix with Snow Warning would be difficult. More if you only have Moon installed.

>>29895495
Always run timid to take advantage of that sweet 109 speed tier.

>>29895094
Optimal set, if Buzzswole can learn these moves via move tutors

Buzzwole @ Assault Vest
Ability: Beast Boost
Nature: Adamant
EV Spread: 252 Attack || 252 Sp. Def || 4 HP

Drain Punch
Leech Life
Knock Off
Ice Punch

It can survive a Draco Meteor/Psyshock from a Life Orb/Choice Specs Latios and a Psyshock from Life Orb Starmie and OHKO both of them with leech life, restoring a shit load of HP you lost from those attacks in the process.

>>29894418
do you think Komala will actually be useful in competitive, because i fucking love him

>>29894548
>>29894548
Ribombee @ Leftovers
Ability: Shield Dust
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP or 252 HP / 252 Spe / 4 Def
Timid Nature
- Baton Pass
- Quiver Dance
- Moonblast
- Giga Drain / Roost

>>29894641
I don't fucking understand why everyone keeps putting SD and Parting Shot on the same set

Silvally @ Choice Scarf
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Parting Shot
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon / Flamethrower

>>29895580

It probably won't be very good, but it at least has the niche of being a Scarf user that isn't limited to one move, due to being constantly asleep with access to Sleep Talk.

>>29895580
Who the fuck cares. Just use it if you like it enough. Good switch into toxapex possibly. Switch in on stupid status spreaders

Does anyone have the list of only gen 7 mons stats AND their move pools? Kinda like what was in the stats videos by kaphotics, thanks

>>29895658
Forgot to slash Tri Attack on the last slot

>>29895668
This. Salandit, palossand, and toucannon will be bad, but I'll use 'em anyway. Almost any pokemon can function in OU with a good team backing it up.

>>29894939
I wasn't thinking.

>>29895723
Might as well use Salazzle

>inb4
>waifumons reee

>>29895464
AURORA VEIL

>>29894418
This little koala has a lot of moves that could be useful like Earthquake and even receive Play Rough as an egg move. I love it.

>>29895777
I don't dislike salazzle, but salandit is my favorite pokemon of all time, so I have to use it somehow. Probably max HP / Speed with a bunch of status moves. I actually suggested a couple of salazzle sets further up, though I accidentally labelled one as a salandit set (and a salazzle set as a salandit set) because I'm a dumb faggot.

>>29895580
>>29895825
Well don't let my set be the only one, then. I hereby commission more Komala builds!

>>29894200
Silvally @ Water Memory
252 HP/252 Atk, Nature: Adamant
~Multi-Attack
~Ice Fang
~Thunder Wave
~Swords Dance

I smashed Groudon and Kyogre together and this is what I got

Xurkitree @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
Nature: Timid
252 SpA/4 SpD/252 Spe
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Energy Ball
- Dazzling Gleam

>>29895862
no no it's fine, I'm just memeing at you.

I play a lot of Little Cup and Salandit definitely has a niche in that meta. Resisting Mienfoo's stabs is huge.

Decidueye @ Ghostium-Z/Leftovers
Long Reach
252 HP/252Def/4SpD (haven't actually figured them out yet, but you're building for bulk)
-Curse
-Soul Shackle
-Roost
-Baton Pass/Protect/Substitute
Ghostium-Z gives you a 100% heal before you use it. The point is to trap with soul shackle on the switch, curse, and then either stall/pass to a set-up sweeper who walls them as they tae curse damage. Won't work in VGC or SmogonOU but I can see it being a decent UU or RU threat

>>29895887
Komala @ Liechi Berry | Life Orb
Ability: Comatose
EVs: 4 HP/ 252 Atk / 252 SpD
192 HP / 252 Atk / 64 SpD
Impish / Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch / Earthquake / U-Turn
- Return

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Shitter here, be gentle.

Dhelmise @ Assult Vest
Ability: Steel Worker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk or 252 Atk / 252 Def
Brave Nature
-Rapid Spin / Mega Drain
-Power Whip
-Anchor Shot
-Phantom Force / Shadow Claw

Thoughts?

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I guess I'm the only one here who cares about Komala. >>29895580 and >>29895825 hate it so much, they can't even be assed to try and make a build for it.

Komala @ Assault Vest
Ability: Comatose
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Wood Hammer
- Play Rough
- Earthquake

>>29896041
I take it back, thank you >>29896024 for helping bring based Koala to life.

Anyone got any good ideas for Alolan Persian?

All I can think of is:

Persian @ Life Orb
Fur Coat
Timid
252 Sp. Atk/252 Spe/4 Def
-Taunt
-Toxic/HP Steel
-Foul Play
-Snarl/Dark Pulse

>>29896074
Apparently Fur Coat makes it pretty bulky, I'd put EVs into HP over Sp Atk and run Parting shot instead of Snarl/Dark Pulse

>>29896072
I want him to take at least one hit, its SpD is high enough. I want him to wreck it everything while it can.

>>29896033
Seems fine with the 252 HP / Atk spread, but shadow claw's pros outweigh phantom force's con of being a two-turn move. Does this thing get giga drain? If so, replace mega drain with it. If not, just use rapid spin, because mega drain is super weak (especially when uninvested).

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Kartana @ Occa Berry
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Beast Boost

- Leaf Blade
- Sacred Sword
- Detect
- X-Scissor

>>29894200
who is that girl?

>>29896074
Persian @ Leftovers
Fur Coat
Timid
252 HP/252 Sp. Atk/4 Spe
-Nasty Plot
-Dark Pulse
-Power Gem
-U-Turn

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>>29896074
Let's get creative and try a Physical build, shall we? I know, 60 base Atk, but I think that some investment, mixed with Technician, and a build based around some hax, can make this guy a pretty good physical annoyer.

Persian @ King’s Rock
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Bite
- Aerial Ace
- U-Turn

>>29896156
4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe/

- - -

Celesteela @ Assault Vest
Nature: Timid/Modest
Ability: Beast Boost

6 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe

- HP Dark
- Giga Drain
- Flash Cannon
- Fire Blast

>>29894449
Replace acrobatics with play rough

You need that fairy coverage, and item + acro is shit

>>29896159

There's two female swimmers now, one that looks like a Russian whore, and that one. That one is rarer.

>>29896154
My mistake, it does get giga drain. I didn't know if it did, definitively would replace. I myself find shadow claw better but phantom force has a few advantages, I think it's way too risky in my opinion but workable.

Why is everything in this game such fucking garbage

I'm legitimately struggling to find a team I want to use even in game. It's like the game wants me to use old mons because the new ones are so bad.

>>29896184
>>29896074
Correct answer:

A-Persian @ Choice Scarf / Leftovers
Ability: Fur Coat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Parting Shot
- Fake Out
- Foul Play
- Switcheroo / Filler

I don't get why people are doing stupid shit like trying to play it offensively. This is the full extent of its usable moves. It has a fast Switcheroo and the fastest Parting Shot in the game and it can hit things with Foul Play. That's a usable kit but it can't do anything beyond that. It cannot do even a single thing beyond that. Pokemon Zetta Grey or whatever it'll probably get Knock Off as a tutor move but as of now, this is the only thing it has going for it.

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Tsareena @ Assault Vest / Grass/Fight Z-move
Ability: Queenly Majesty
EVs: 4 HP/ 252 Atk / 252 Spe
4 SpD / 252 Atk / 60 Def / 192 Spe
Jolly/Impish Nature
- Trop Kick
- High Jump Kick
- Play Rough
- U-Turn

With great coverage and decent defense stats this Pokémon only needs a little bit of help to resist an attack from others. U-turn if you are in a pinch.

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Golisopod (Revenge Killer)
Ability: Emergency Exit
Nature: Adamant
Item: Life Orb
EVs: 88 HP / 252 ATK / 164 SPE
- First Impression
- Aqua Jet
- Leech Life / Liquidation
- Poison Jab

Gave it enough speed investment and Poison Jab to deal with Clefable and fat stall mons. Aqua Jet is staple move for Golisopod and is necessary for revenge killing. Leech Life will provide it some form of recovery with STAB coverage. Liquidation can also be helpful for the defensive Lando-T switch in as it does over 50% and has a chance to lower its defense for the Aqua Jet kill. Life Orb may activate its ability for instant pivot switch to anything. First Impression is extremely threatening to mons like Latios, non-bulky Tyranitiar, Hydreigon, M-Gardevoir, and Slowbro, which may prompt a switch from your opponent and a chance for you to predict the incoming switch. Overall, I think Gilsopod has a decent chance @ being in OU maybe UU if worst.

>>29896330
Go back to X and Y kid.

>>29896330
Yeah a lot of things aren't looking amazing but there are definitely some OU and and UU pokemon.

Also the main story is easy enough, use whatever pokemon you want. I go full karenfag and use my favorites. Now that they realized how stupid HMs are you don't have to worry about a HM slave or having to make your team members waste a slot.

>>29896361
Assault Vest + Trop Kick sounds fun. What would I switch out for Rapid Spin? U-Turn?

>>29896374
slash sucker punch before poison jab

not sure what that ev spread is for

>>29896374
Good set but I'm wondering if assault vest might be better. It has no recovery, uses only attacks, and already has agood attack stat.

>>29896404
Yeah, the last slot it's according to your needs.

>>29896404
Play rough or U turn.

I've been thinking of a decent set for Ribombee in doubles. Still not sure what item I should give it. What do you guys think?

Ribombee @
Timid Nature
Ability: Sweet Veil
EVs: 4 HP/252 Sp.Atk/252 Spe
or
192 Sp.Atk/84 Sp.Def /232 Spe

- Pollen Puff
- Quiver Dance
- Draining Kiss
- Protect

I was thinking of pairing this up with a Wishiwashi, perhaps. Give it some healing when it needs. Protect if I want to send out an EQ or maybe Surf. Quiver Dance to set up if I have the change and Draining Kiss for some recovery if I'm well set up.

>>29896357
It can do something like Z Parting Shot and run Hypnosis over Switcheroo if it needs to, but that seems like the set

Mudsdale
Ability: Stamina
Nature: Impish
Item: Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
-Heavy Slam
-Earthquake
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

Have no idea if it would even work, or if it should have more Atk investment.

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Can someone do a Bewear's moveset?

>>29896374
I think assault vest with no speed investment works better honestly, most of his moves should be priority moves bar leechlife.

>>29896501

I like Pollen Puff/Protect/Speed Swap/Dazzling Gleam or Moonblast.

>>29896606
Speed Swap would be VERY interesting as well. This Pokemon has a lot of potential.

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The shell smash set is cool but I'm gonna try and use this lead set.

Minior @ Sitrus Berry
Jolly 252 Atk/252 Spd
>Stealth Rock
>Stone Edge
>Acrobatics
>U-Turn

Particularly nasty cores:

Stall:
Tapu Bulu/Heatran
Ferrothorn/Toxapex

Offense:
Keldeo (LO) + Tapu Koko + Xurkitree (Scarf)

On paper, Keldeo beats the few mons which can call themselves decent checks to Xurkitree, namely Blissey (Secret Sword) and bulky ground-types Xurkitree can't KO with HP Ice. Set up Electric Terrain, pivot to Xurk, ?????, click Thunderbolt.

>>29896606
>>29896501
So, how does pollen puff work exactly? Does it just become Heal Pulse if used on an ally, or does it actually heal based on the damage it would have dealt?

>>29896560
This guy is pretty weird. Fluffy lets it be bulky as hell. Moveset offers return and superpower for stab and you kinda just decide what coverage you want. It gets ice and thunder punch but nofire weirdly enough. Does have sword dance which is nice. Sadly no recovery other then rest and pain split. Drain punch would be insane on this this guy, pray for move tutors.

>>29894200
Merciless Toxapex is an interesting concept, but you're basically better off taking advantage of dat bulk. You can do some damage, sure. But it's so slow and so bulky, there's no reason to.
>252+ SpA Toxapex Venoshock (130 BP) vs. 0 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 78-93 (11.9 - 14.2%) -- guaranteed 5HKO after toxic damage
>252+ SpA Toxapex Venoshock (130 BP) vs. 0 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey on a critical hit: 118-139 (18.1 - 21.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after toxic damage
Blissey's probably a bad example, but if you stay out, Blissey WILL KO you in 3 turns with Seismic Toss.
Meanwhile, you can Burn or Poison her, and allow a more suitable mon to step in and do the job, while healing ALL of the damage she did (33% per turn) with Regenerator.

anyone do any calcs to see if its worthwhile for minior to go mixed? power gem over stone edge, assuming 64 atk evs (you want 188 to outspeed manetric)

>>29895035
@Leftovers
Contrary
-Defog
-Synthesis
-Leaf Storm
-HP Ice/Rock/Fire

Here's a little cup set for Dewpider. Really happy that Water Bubble is better than we thought it was.

Dewpider @ Eviolite/Berry Juice
Ability: Water Bubble
EVs: 212 HP / 20 Def / 196 Spa / 20 SpD / 60 Spe
Modest Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Substitute/Infestation
- Hidden Power Fighting/Substitute

>>29897180
Do you have one for its evolution?

>>29896422
Sucker Punch is less valuable due to 10 BP drop and introduction of Tapu guardians to the meta. Poison Jab allows it not be walled by Tapu Fini and deal with other fairies like Clef, Gard, Koko, Bulu, and Lele.
252+ Atk Life Orb Golisopod Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 213-252 (54 - 63.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Life Orb Golisopod Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 47-55 (11.9 - 13.9%)

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>>29894200
Whats a good doubles rating battle/vgc set for this guy?

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not doing showdown format since nobody will want to steal this set anyway
type: null @ eviolite
252 hp 252 def 4 spdef
impish
rest
talk
SD
frustration

>>29897227
or maybe toxic instead of SD since you'll see much less gengar now

What the hell do I do with Oricorio? Make it support? This is my first time actually being around competitive for a new gen.

Oricorio (Pom-Pom) @ Mental Herb
Ability: Dancer
128 HP / 128 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
-Calm Mind
-Tailwind
-Hidden Power Fighting
-Baton Pass

>>29897160

This is so fucking sad, holy christ.

>>29897308
i feel like it will be quite dtrong if you can predonk setups
like swap it in on an obvious quiver dance/dragon dance

>>29897318
It got cucked hard by tsareena just like decidueye with dhelmise.

>>29897341
More by its terrible stats.

>>29897341
>>29897368
>>29897318

The worst part about Lurantis is that there's so many ways they could have made it good.

If only they had given it base 60+ Speed with Chlorophyll so it can fire off Solar Swords and only Sanic speed mons like ninja snail or Crobat could touch it.

If only they had given it base 80+ speed with Superpower and Leaf Storm so it could make use of Contrary for both a physical set that doesn't get walled hard by Steel and boosts its own attack and defense, or the standard Contrary+Leaf Storm build with something to set it apart from Serperior like better bulk or whatever.

They could have made Solar Blade the new Flying Press and it's Fire/Grass at the same time.

They could have done so much. Instead it is beyond shitmon for absolutely no reason.

>>29897308
Oh shit meant Timid instead of Jolly

>>29897340
I guess so, but considering it's lacking in terms of special category coverage I thought it would be better for support. Dancer is nice though.

>>29897431
>>They could have done so much. Instead it is beyond shitmon for absolutely no reason.
This is almost everything in this gen outside of the legendaries.

>>29895160
They both have stab + energy ball. Still, Ribom is better.

>>29897431
You think in doubles with a drought user it could put in work? Playing againest the totem one with it summing castform who used sunny day was kind of a pain.

Its a pretty neat design. Not one of my favorites but it would be nice to get some kind of use.

>>29897479
Remember that the totem gets + speed.

>>29894736
>Araquanid @ Assault Vest
>Toxic

>>29894449
>Tsareena @ choice scarf
>Acrobatics

>>29895050
>EVs: 120HP/252 Atk/200 Spe

i'm only halfway through but why is /vp/ so fucking dumb god damn

>>29897503
I came to this thread for two reasons: check interesting moves I may have missed for mons. And laugh at shit like that.

>>29897494
Yeah, just wondering. Totems were surprisingly more threatening.

Anyway I enjoy lower tiers so I haven't cared as much about most alola mon being shit. Most of my favorites are looking around UU so I'm pretty content.

>>29897598
Fuck meant to say "more threatening then I imagined".

>>29897503
At least we caught the ribombee thing quick...

>>29894736
oh, hello there, verlis

>>29896984
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/minior-discussion.3586473/page-3#post-7076036

>>29897503
>EVs: 120HP/252 Atk/200 Spe
Anon relax I made a honest mistake. Not sure how that happened.

124/252/132 was what I meant.

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Anyone know if Weavile and Electivire have been improved in any way for SuMo? Or are they still only viable to run sets from the past 3 gens?

>>29897750
Good job, now people won't give you proper answers because of

>SuMo

>>29897750
No direct buffs, but I guess Weavile's better thanks to Aurora Veil?

>>29894200
Silvally @ Ground Memory
252 Atk/252 Spe, Jolly Nature
~Multi-Attack
~Rock Slide
~Toxic
~Parting Shot

Silvally lacks power so I figure Toxic will help it break through walls. Ground Multi-Attack helps keep Steels and Poison types from switching in.

>>29897803
>Aurora Veil
Does Brick Break affect that in any way?

Swords Dance Mimikyu
Mimikyu @LifeOrb/Normalium Z
Adamant Nature
252Atk/252Spe/4HP
Swords Dance/Splash
Shadow Sneak
Play Rough
Wood Hammer/Leech Life/Pain Split

Z!Splash does +3 to attack, Wood Hammer can be for extra coverage, Leech Life and Pain Split can recover HP, Bulk Up can also replace Swords Dance for extra bulk.

Mimikyu also has access to Will-o-Wisp, Taunt and Pain Split

>>29897750
>Weavile
Depends on what's your point of reference. You won't be able to transfer until January, so Weavile doesn't currently have access to the awesome move tutor moves it got in ORAS. Compared to an XY Weavile, it has a much better STAB in Throat Chop. No differences other than that.

Elecs didn't get anything new, but there's the Tapu with instant electric terrain.

>>29894760
*uses protect/Kings that turn*
...But it failed!

>>29897922
Actually I have a question about legality.

I heard that you can transfer fine from day 1 with PKHex. What does this mean for legality? It's still illegal to use gen 6 Pokemon and sets until January right? Or is it fair game?
I'm new to competitive.

>>29897676
Saw those but those are mainly for all physical minior with stone edge :( wondering how viable power gem is

>>29898014
There are a few mixed calcs in there.

>>29897956
Official formats are only allowing stuff that is possible without hacks for the time being. Random wi-fi battles will have whatever. Battling with people, like from /vp/, you'd decide on rules with them before starting. Smogon will probably follow the official until transferring is enabled, then it will be whatever is possible to obtain legally.

>>29898057
If they follow suit from when gen 6 was released, there will be 2 ladders: one limited to everything possible on cart, and another allowing legal transfers.

>>29897702
What does 200 speed evs on Lycanroc outspeed that's so important?

>>29898057
That sucks that random battles willl be whatever... I thought hacks couldn't give you impossible stuff and still pass the online checks, seems that's not the case and I was led to believe wrong. Hopefully Rated Battle Spot follows the cross only rule.

I'm inclined to transfer my gen 6 stuff with PKHex but I'm scared it'll botch the met data somehow and they will be screwed out of the Bank when it actually comes out.

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Drampa @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 204 SpD / 52 SpA
Nature: Calm / Sassy
- Calm Mind / Roost
~ Glare
~ Hyper Voice
~ Dragon Pulse / Draco Meteor

All its abilities are great, Berserk if you want to increase your SpA in a pinch, Sap Sipper gives it an extra immunity and Cloud Nine fucks with the new mons that got weather effects.

Silvally @ Dragon Memory
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Parting Shot
- Surf
- Flamethrower
Also can run Thunderbolt, Flash Cannon, Shadow Ball, or Ice Beam for coverage. Pretty versatile.
Nuke with Draco Meteor then Parting Shot out. If you think they're going to bring in a resist, Parting Shot or use coverage

Silvally @ Fairy Memory
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Multi-Attack
- Swords Dance
- uhhh... fire fang?
- rock slide? double edge??
If this thing got EQ it would be a monster though.

Silvally @ Ghost Memory
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Multi-Attack
- Swords Dance
- X-Scissor
- Filler
Ghost/Bug hits almost everything relevant for at least neutral.
Parting Shot variations of those two also work.

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anyone think araquanid could run an assualt vest set with liquidation, leech life, lunge and some other 4th move?

it has really high base SpD and while it's HP and defense aren't that amazing and it's slow, it has some good things. Lunge lowers the enemy's attack every time (which is great because it's defense it's so high), liquidation has a chance to lower defense to chip away at the enemy, it gets the new leech life which lets it has a recovery (albiet a bit unreliable). It also can either be immune to water or be immune to burn+fire resistance.

The only thing I can't decide on is a 4th move, nature, or EV spread.

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Any good set for this guy?

>>29898214
no.
He's the worst of the tapus

>>29898200
I'm thinking Choice Band will be the only option for Araquanid

>>29898249
why is that?

>>29897970
>>29894200
Does anyone have the picture with all the new trainers?

>>29898280
Not that guy, but it seems to be confirmed that water bubble boosts water moves as well.

>>29898352
oh really? where?

>>29898280
Well other than the Water Z crystal Choice Band is the best item for emphasizing its only good aspect: wallbreaking. Better to make it better at what it's already good at than try and shove it into another role that's usually not great.

>>29898229
Bulu is worse

>>29898371
why would it be good at wallbreaking? Because water bubble really does boost it's water type moves? I was thnking since it's gonna be PU to NU anyways taking advantage of it's high SpD and stat unique movepool (sharing some moves or combinations of moves with golisopod only) that it could be a bulky attacker.

Anyone have any competitive sets for Alolan Exeggutor? I need to have that majestic mofo on my team, but the only thing I can come up with is Sleep Powder/SD/Two attacks. But then again, that doesn't make much use of Harvest?

>>29898413
Water Bubble doubles its water type attacks. This puts it in league with mons like Crawdaunt as a wallbreaker. It will probably end up in UU or RU since it will be extremely predictable. Even more predictable than Crawdaunt since it has no set up moves other than Rain Dance if you count that.

We'll have to see how metas actually turn out though. It might surprise us.

>>29898562
Oh, nice. Though since it gets nothing to boost speed and no aqua jet it won't be anywhere near as good.

Also does it double water moves as in it boosts the STAB or does it double it after STAB? if so it'll hit pretty hard.

>>29898398
What are you smoking?
Banded Wood Hammer 2HKOs almost the entire metagame, horn leech is a 112 BP STAB recovery move off of 130 attack, Grass/Fairy is a surprisingly good defensive typing.
Leech seed + leftovers + grassy terrain + below average HP means it can probably heal about 20% of its HP a turn if it gets the chance.

Incineroar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Speed/252 Atk
Nature: Jolly
~U-turn
~Darkest Lariat
~Flare Blitz
~Leech Life/Cross Chop/Earthquake

I tried making something that could work with a volt-turn core and an offensive lead that can force switches with his decent movepool+intimidate. With this spread, Incineroar outspeeds the 110 base speed tier. It's not anything super remarkable, but it seems like it could work decently well. Leech life also seems nice, since it can restore HP lost through Flare Blitz.

>>29898608
Video proof shows liquidation dealing slightly more damage than a super effective crunch. I don't know why people are saying "double" or "huge power"

>>29898303
Enjoy

http://imgur.com/a/c0l7E

>>29898455
Wood Hammer + Sitrus is the only thing I can come up with. Can be a good mixed wallbreaker.
If Harvest worked with White Herb, it'd be absolutely insane.

Incineroar @ Quick Claw
Ability: Blaze
Nature: Serious
255 Atk/255 Spd
-Ember
-Fire Fang
-Flamethrower
-Hyper Beam

>>29898682
>nature:serious

heh

>>29898700
Do you really want to use a Pokemon that is not Serious about battling? He'd probably let you down.

I need a Pokemon that takes battling seriously.

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>>29898682
Holy fuck.

>>29898711
Fuck you're right, you should also make them proud of their power

>>29898682
Straight to OU!

>>29898682
Not even funny.

>>29898637

People are desperate for the thing to be good.

>>29898637
they have nearly the same base damage, if super effective crunch does less then normally effective water move with just 5 more base damage it would mean it would do about double with water moves.

>>29898637
Link to the video?

>>29895664
That's not how it works. Komala's ability doesnt actually put you asleep it just prevent conditions other than sleep

Offensive Spiker Golisopod might be worth considering too
Golisopod @Leftovers/Life Orb
Adamant
Emergency Exit
252 HP/252 Attack/4 Speed
Spikes
First Impressions
Leech Life
Aqua Jet/Liquidation

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Smogon Stone @ Choice Scarf
Shields Down
I have no idea about the spread I'll do some calcs later. Built bulky enough to take a few hits at least.
Adamant nature
- U-Turn
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake/Acrobatics
- Explosion

The idea here is that you use it early game as a pivot, and mostly U-Turn out for muhmentum. Later in the game, Shields Down will activate, and it's now an incredibly fast offensive threat. If all fails, explode.

Palossand @Leftovers/Brightpowder
Sand Veil
252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Def
Nature tbd
- Shore Up
- Hypnosis
- Bulldoze?
- Coverage???

Don't know where I'm going with this, some sort of doubles sandstorm VGC support is the idea? Shore Up is pretty strong by itself.

>>29898818
didn't someone confirm that it's always asleep?
Also it can learn sleep talk but not rest, pretty much confirming that it's always asleep

>>29894851
>>29894845
To add to this, Z-Splash is a 250% power boost.
SD + LO totals to a 260% power boost.
There is no reason to use Z-Splash over SD + LO.

>>29898960
it's kinda sad that even after they finally give splash a use that it's still won't be used

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Beast Ball
Lycanroc @ Life Orb
No Guard
80 HP / 252 Atk / 92 Def / 80 Spd
Nature Adamant
- Rock Polish
- Stone Edge
- Reversal
- Protect

Any new items that could be good? or are they all shit?

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>>29899040
>everything about this set

im convinced nobody in this thread is past 1200 in OU or has ever done VGC

this set alone fucking convinces me

allow me to post the standard "fuck stall" Xurkitree
Xurkitree @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Beast Boost
Speed invest to beat neutral 70s/ 252sp atk/rest in hp
Modest nature
-Tail Glow
-Thunderbolt
-Energy Ball
-Substitute

>>29898971
It's still useful on physical 'mons that don't have any other viable way to boost attack, which is (off the top of my head) ...Tsareena.
Huh.

>>29894200
Drampa
Beserk
Leftovers
Modest/Quiet
248 Hp 252 Spa 4 def

Hyper voice
Draco meteor/Substatute
Fire blast
Roost


>>29899040
Double Dancing moon dog
Life orb
No guard
Jolly
252 attack 252 speed 4 hp

Sword dance
Rock polish
Stone edge
Sucker punch

This dog got the shit end of the stick

>>29899131
To be fair 90% of the mons this gen got the shit end of the stick

>>29899131
Lycanroc @ Choice Scarf
No Guard
252 speed / 252 attack / 4 HP
Nature Adamant
- head smash
- Stone Edge
- Rock Slide
- Fire Fang

This is the only one I see it doing barely ok

>>29898971
Looking through the Pokémon learning Splash, there's a couple of possible users, though I don't think it'll be used too much outside of gimmicky meme sets.
>Poliwrath
Literally no reason to use it over Z-Belly Drum.
>Kingdra
A gimmick on the level of Sniper / Draco I suppose. Could be decent-ish in rain.
>Gyarados
DD is better overall.
>Azumarill
Same as Poliwrath
>Lopunny
Gets Baton Pass with it. Possibly a threat in lower tiers.
>Tsareena
Actually does not learn Swords Dance. Same as above, I suppose.
>Mimikyu
Actually not too bad. Disguise and Shadow Sneak helps a lot.
>Solgaleo/Lunala
What the heck. Probably the best users, and might actually be seen using it.

>>29899172
>3 rock stabs
>head smash

>>29895077
>>29895077
Im so glad. I fucking fell in love with minior when the reveal trailer came out, total bro

Minior
Max attack and speed

Cutsap berry

Shell smash
Explosion

SPACE AKBAR

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>>29899574
>takes 40% damage first turn
>shell smash
>+2 Explosion coming off base 60 attack
>or just KOed before it can attack again

>>29899616
Either way, its gonna be the next mememon i spam in showderp

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The time has come. Are you a bad enough dude?
MAKE A PRIMARINA SET.

hard mode: "don't use her" is not vaild

>>29899627
>not explosion silvally
keep trying kid

>>29899676
Torrent
Salac Berry
Sub
Hydro Pump
Moonblast
Calm Mind

>>29899689
doesnt get calm mind last i checked
if it did it would be boot leg crocoon

>>29899683
Why not both?

Also is that gonna make silvally the next quizmaster?

Random as fuck, but say I have a pokemon on the opponent's side that's already set up and can basically OHKO everything I have. What's a gimmicky pokemon I can always carry with me just to eliminate that threat? shadowtag wobuffet ? I think at that point it would die before setting up destiny bond shenanigans ?

>>29896581
But then if your foe has Psychic Terrain it becomes useless.

>>29899788
mega banette although destiny bond is not as good this gen

>>29899809
>although destiny bond is not as good this gen
what did they change?

>>29899788
If it's got low HP, this is where Pyukumuku somewhat shines.
Otherwise, a fast/Prankster Destiny Bond user, or a status user to help check it.

>>29899676
Primarina @ Choice Specs/Assault Vest
252HP/252Sp.A/4Spe
Modest
Torrent/Liquid Voice
-Scald/Hydro Pump/Hyper Voice (LV Only)
-Ice Beam
-Energy Ball
-Moonblast

>>29899825
it has a chance of failing every other turn like protect
on the plus side m-banette gets prankster the first turn it mega evolves this gen so it's actually a lot better imo

>>29899845
Any other non mega with prankster that can also pull of destiny bond hijinks? I like to keep my mega slot free for others, but I really need a way to take out a set up threat reliably

>>29899875
None with Prankster, but Froslass is fast and gets Aurora Veil, could be worth looking into.

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>>29899921
Speaking of:
Froslass @ Sash/Light Clay
- Aurora Veil
- Destiny Bond
- Ice Beam/Spikes/WoW
- Ice Beam/Spikes/WoW
I don't know if running both Spikes and Aurora Veil in a single set will work out, though having the option to do either or is nice and adds a layer of unpredictability.
Maybe swap Ice Beam for Icy Wind if doubles and Blizzard if hail.

>>29899788
Scarf ditto shits on dragon dancers

>>29899788
>wobuffet

I never understood the gimmick with this thing yet I know it's in ubers due to shadow tag. From what I (sort of) understand is that you're supposed to encore and if you encore'd a status move you take advantage of those 3 turns to switch to a sweeper of your own, set up, then start attacking with it since your opponent is locked to a move (though they will probably switch as well once tag is off), or instead if you encore an attack you mirror coat / counter depending on what the attack was.

So my question is, your encore will obviously go second due to speed, so if you take a hit from a set up opponent, then encore, then use the appropriate counter/coat, when your opponent uses the move again..well..you're going to just die from that move, you won't even be able to bounce the damage back due to the reflect going second? and if you want to destiny bond knowing you're about to die your bond will still go second due to speed...so you'll die before you use it?

shit man idk? teach me the ways.

>>29899981
>Blizzard if hail
If you're using Aurora Veil surely you're using hail?

>>29900154
Oh shit, I hadn't even noticed that. Guess it's Blizzard, yeah.
Snow Warning A-Ninetales will probably be a more reliable Aurora Veil setter, though.

>>29899842
Another set.

Primarina @ Choice Specs/Life Orb
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest
Torrent
-Hydro Pump
-Moonblast
-Psychic
-Energy Ball/Ice Beam

Psychic is used to nail poison types that resist water like Tentacruel and Toxicroak. Energy Ball hits water types harder, Ice Beam hits grass types harder but neither of them are usually needed. Speed IVs are run to outpace certain Florges and Cresselia sets and speed tie Sylveon.

>>29898754
>I'm really fun at parties!

Z ZAP cannon has 190 BP.

I can't access calls right now. How hard does one of those hit common walls under Electric Terrain on Vikavolt?

>>29900126
Custap Berry for the destiny bond. Mirror Force/Counter with Shadow Tag was only banned up to Gen 4. Gen 5 power creeped it out. Before that, it was hard to even do half of a fully invested Wobbuffet's health. Gen 6 has it blanket banned because shadow tag is banned on Gengar and Gothitelle.

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Dhelmise @ Choice Band
Ability: Steel Worker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk
Adamant/Brave Nature
-Rapid Spin
-Power Whip
-Anchor Shot/Gyro Ball
-Earthquake
I don't think its Ghost STAB will be needed if it ends up being OU. This allows it to hit like an actual anchor and makes Tyranitar fear the Pursuit switch if it uses any other attack. It can eat a Knock Off from Bisharp or Weav and kill them in return.

I'm gonna wondertrade this set with a shiny tomorrow nicknamed Dirty Pirate, like everyone already playing the game. Hope you look forward to it, /vp/.

>>29895201
And for actual competitive set:
Protect instead of leech life and fake out instead of swords dance

>>29900370
>Custap Berry for the destiny bond.

When you use a berry, the opponent sees this, however? the moment you eat the berry isn't it just a huge "I'm about to destiny bond" warning for the opponent? they obviously aren't going to attack

>>29900383
unless they've been encored into an attacking move*

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Celesteela @ Assault Vest
Modest @ 252 HP/4 Def/252 S. Atk
Fire Blast
Flash Cannon
Air Slash
Giga Drain

>>29898214
I have like five in my head, but am busy right now. People complaining this is the worst of the Tapus don't realize that this is like saying that Mega Metagross is the worst pseudo Mega of Gen 3.

>>29900372
>using online before the game is out
I wouldnt risk it

>>29901519
Honestly, I think Fini is the worst of the Tapus. The terrain itself is strong but it does nothing but Defog. At least Koko is pretty versatile.

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Some have proven useful, desu.

Murdered my way through the Battle Tree with these, thanks based anons:

>>29894200
>>29896184
>>29896193

Any sets for Passimian?

>>29895252
It uses Z power to heal the switched mon.

Whos the best synchronize user for this gen?

>>29895077
I think it's going to be a competitive flop, because it relies way too heavily on dumb opponents; A -2 Minior is not going to be difficult to OHKO by any stretch of the imagination. The Minior player needs to predict the attack to time the Shell Smash to go off with Shields Down, while the other guy simply has to either bait it out or put themselves in a position where they can OHKO it from full anyway.

>Rock, Steel, Water, Electric, Ice
It's got enough weaknesses that every team should already be covering several of them. Moreover, it's setup and status fodder.

I will honestly be surprised to see it in or above UU.

>>29901812
Minior is weird for me too. While it can clean up pretty well, all it can do before smashing is set up rocks. It's not like Cloyster that can at least attack without a Shell Smash because it has pitiful 60/60 offenses. It can't smash willy nilly because White Herb is what it needs to set up without dying. 60/100/100 offenses isn't anything special either. It's also complete Taunt bait.

That said, Minior does have some redeeming things. It isn't status bait because Shields Down keeps it immune to status when it's healthy. It can afford to invest in bulk since not even Adamant Sand Rush Excadrill outspeeds Adamant 0 speed IV Minior.

>>29894200
stolen from Smogon:

Kyurem-Black @ Icium Z
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
~ Freeze Shock
~ Dragon Claw
~ Fusion Bolt
~ Outrage / Iron Head / Substitute

Freeze Shock turns into 200 BP Subzero Slammer, which OHKOs Mega Sableye and Clefable most of the time. Amusingly you've got ~10% chance to OHKO fucking Ferrothorn.

>>29902526
Has the Sableye suspect ended yet?

>>29902549
I don't think it has officially but the thread is being closed soon

>>29896374
good set m8. golispod needs some better coverage like electric to be a complete monster but i didn't think about using posion jab for that.
you can also consider a max hp max attack with assault vest

Type:Null @ Eviolite
Ability: Battle armor
Nature: Bold
0 HP/ 0 Atk/ 252 Def/ 4 SpA/ 252 SpD

-sleep talk
-rest
-calm mind
-tri-attack

Normal type fatter suicoon

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Now that Flygon gets Dragon Dance what's a good set? Just copy Dragonite?

Flygon @ Life Orb (doesn't have to worry about paralysis so Lum seems excessive)
Adamant/Jolly @ 4 HP/252 ATK/252 Speed
EQ
Dragon Claw/Outrage
Dragon Dance
Roost/U-Turn/Fire Punch

Or is there a better way here? Will my boy finally be OU material?

>>29899676

Primarina @ Assault vest
252 SpA/ 252 SpD/ 4 HP
Modest
Liquid voice

-hyper voice
-Ice beam
-Moon blast
-psychic/energyball/shadowball

>>29902854

Lum is essential because you don't want to be WoW'd.

But yeah that looks good.

>>29902854
Could go either Lum or LO. Rock Slide can also be useful in there somewhere, but it's no longer a TM in SM.

>>29900358
>under Electric Terrain
Vikavolt Levitates. It doesn't benefit from Electric Terrain.

>>29903519
non-levitated pokemon only gets the no sleep effect, the elec boost still apply

>>29903579
Oh shit nevermind then.

>>29894200
Bulky Attacker Silvally @ Steel Memory
252 HP/136 Spe/128 SpA, Timid Nature
~Flash Cannon
~Thunderbolt
~Surf/Ice Beam
~Parting Shot

EVs outspeed Mamoswine & Mega Altaria. Could run Calm Mind if you're ballsy but I'm scared to do that without recovery.

>>29894200
Tapu Lele Timid Choice scarf 252 SP ATT and SPEED
-moon blast
-thunder bolt
-psyshock
-hp fire

>>29903909
He doesn't get calm mind, does he?

>>29904056
Damn you're right he doesn't, only SD Work Up and Flame Charge for boosting moves I guess?

Will the entire new meta be UB? What a horrible time to pick up competitive pokemon

>>29904086
The only good ones are the electric thing and the femroach. The Tapus will be much more common and cancerous.

>>29894662
What does pollen puff do

>>29904280
90BP 100acc Special Bug move. Can also target an ally to heal them.

>>29895387
Earth?

>>29904160
Koko will be a UU shitmon too so you can't escape them that way either!

>>29900267
I honestly see a bulky Specs set being the only way to really run Primarina.

Your moveset makes sense, but the EV's in speed don't really make sense to me since she's slow as shit anyway, and needs as much bulk as possible to survive the hits she'll inevitably have to take. I'd go:

252 HP/ 252 SpA / 4SpD

Does it learn Psyshock? If so, that may be an option over Psychic.