Possible Aerilate/Pixilate/Refrigerate nerf

Great if true.

>>29889053
Nothing really major, but worth noting

>>29889053
1.2 doesn't sound like that big of a nerf to be honest. It will still hurt pretty hard.

>>29889265
>Unnecessary nerfing every -ate users other than Mence which is the only broken user of -ate
>Great

>>29889053
Isn't this the same guy who fucked up when he said a bunch of abilities were nerfed?

>>29889053

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/pokemon-sun-moon-battle-mechanics-research.3586701/page-16#post-7080164

Confirmed

>>29889778
Anon turning normal moves into stab attacks is already great. Giving them a free 30% boost is overkill

>>29890150
Normalize actually gives a boost now?
It's time for Delcatty to be slightly less shit in PU now.

>>29890344
How is it overkill? Like I've said, the only broken user of it is Mega Mence and his uber stats. Just because an ability is good doesn't mean it's "bullshit", "broken" or something.

>>29890505

You're already getting a 50% boost thanks to STAB.

30% on top of that (80%) is overkill.

>>29890505
mega waifu spamming hiper voice

>>29889053
So Aurorus is better off running Blizzard now. Gotcha.

>>29889778
Sylveon, Gardevoir.

>>29890532
And, what user of these abilities are broken, other than Mega Salamence?

>>29890566
It's physically frail and dies to propriety while also having an average speed.

>>29890505
Mega pinsir has a higher attack and priority

>>29890620
>Sneaky Pebbles

It has flaws to balances it.

>>29890607
Sylveon is very slow and its physical bulk isn't that good at all. Mega Gardevoir read >>29890608

>>29890608
They're preemptively hitting the disgusting combination that is mega gard + tapu lele

tapus were a mistake

>>29890532
>80%
That's not how that works.
It's 95%. You multiply.

>>29890505
>Just because an ability is good doesn't mean it's "bullshit", "broken" or something.
It does. Magic Bounce is so good it's broken. Only shitmons make it not so good.

They have no idea what to actually touch for balance, this is so embarrassing if actually true.

>>29893713

>Second hit of Parental Bond now only does 25% damage and Power-Up Punch isn't a TM anymore
>Gale Wings only works at full HP

They're getting there

>>29893713
this their first effort at genuine serious meta balance,

the real sad part is more that in finally trying to balance things, an entire generation was designed with the nerfbat ahead of time.

>>29894145
Even as a bugfag I think they went overboard with the Gale Wings nerf. It should've been changed to only give priority to status moves, or stop working lower than 75%.

The first change would at least keep bulky Talonflame (Bulk Up/Roost) viable, while the second one would make it a decent lead (SR kills it, or it has to switch in on something it can force out even without priority to get a Roost in)

>>29890812
Tapu fini actually since Misty terrain buffs hypervoice damage.

>>29894523
>Misty terrain buffs hypervoice damage.

Anon, I have some terrible news...

>>29894523

Misty Terrain doesn't boost Fairy-type damage, it just halves Dragon-type damage.

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>>29890505
>get Sylveon with Hyper Voice
>175 STAB after Pixilate
It's not necessarily going to stop -ate moves from becoming really powerful, but it tones them down slightly to the point that they can be managed a bit better.

Megamence doesn't care for this nerf. Return will always be a strong option for it, but this nerf gives it a better reason to run Double-Edge.

>>29890711
>hazard remover

I just mitigated its main flaw

>>29894866
-ate abilities wouldn't be nearly as bad if Return and Hyper Voice didn't exist. Return moreso, because it's typically a straight upgrade to every other possible STAB move.

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>Pinsirfags on suicide watch.

>>29894316
>It should've been changed to only give priority to status moves
Prankster?

>>29889053
>Making Aurorus and M-Glalie shittier

why

>>29889053
I know Game Freak is dumb but Galvanize has the 30% boost. Why the change?

>>29894316
>I think they went overboard with the Gale Wings nerf.
>having access to a fucking priority 120 damage attack

Anon in no reality should this ever be ok...even if it's fun as heck to abuse.

>>29890532
>>29890566
>>29890607
Ya guys realise than if they remove the boost the ability would be useless because shit like Moonblast would hit harder than Hyper Voice?

>>29896936
Hyper Voice still hits through subs.

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>Mega Pinsir nerf

>>29898028
It's for the best, especially since TF is kill and most of the new mons are slow as all hell and or weak to it.
Heck, something as to keep all the new buffed Bugs in line.

>>29895163
Why? Pinsir got a huge buff now that it can start with 105 speed rather than those 85. The Taloflame nerf will only cement its position in the meta.

>>29896760
Aurorus still has Snow Warning. Glalie now has 100 base speed.

>>29893614
An ability needs context to be considered gamebreaking to begin with.

>>29889053
I don't get why there even was a boost to begin with. They still get STAB, that should be enough.

>>29898834
yeah I never really understood why they got a boost like that. I guess for very weak pokemon who need the amazing ability to compensate, it's cool. But on a good dude, it's overkill.

>let's buff stall even more

>>29899112
>very weak pokemon who need the amazing ability to compensate
this only applied to Amaura family though

>>29899154
I don't think there's many abilities that can really address the problems that come with that typing and speed when it comes down to it

>>29899129
>Last two generations weren't the generations of Hyper Offense

Anon, Stall is never going back to Gen 2 levels, but I'll take fucking anything over: "SR + 6 Attacks: Good Game"